One Last Attack for Tadej Pogacar...closed by Van Aert | Tour de France 2022 Stage 19 

Yeah, it's also really nice to see him being genuinely happy for Laporte. I mean, Laporte also helped him win E3...

Lol, Chris Horner spent the first ten days or more bagging TJV and van aert for being too divided and for van aert being selfish/going for stages and green jersey. He even blamed wva for Roglic going down. The team really was divided in those dangerous early stages. It's certainly paid of for them with an insanely successful tour. Would have been different if they got a couple less stages and if vingegaard came second...

He said he felt his legs weren't too great during the middle of the stage thus said Laporte to take his chance. If his green jersey wasn't safe yet, he would have sprinted ofcourse.

@@JSBax was he the guy who said something about Van Aert "burning all his matches"? I mean, he wasn't the only one who basically said that...

@@JSBax I really don't get the whole "selfish" thing some people call riders. I highly doubt a single rider doesn't do what they're told. Obviously there are those like Sagan who most likely get told to do whatever cause that's their style, but there are not many guys like Sagan (who also has been incredibly anonymous this year)

Hahahaha, I was wondering what he was telling him. Wow what a team! 😄🔥

It would have been a waist of energy anyway because WvA and Jonas are faster anyway!

You can count on Benji and Patrick to provide key elements of tactics. I've learned so much from them. They have quality content, and it's not just opinion-based. Plus their camaraderie is so fun. Glad they have increased your enjoyment of this sport. I totally get it!

If you haven't already check out Chris Horner's channel. Ex pro with excellent race breakdowns and commentary.

You are so lucky to start with such an epic tour. I also started watching races during Covid days and wish started to follow cycling earlier. But Tour 22 is exceptionally amazing.

Don't expect every bike race to be that good. The Tour de France is special and it was one of the best Tours I've ever seen and I've seen a couple of dozens.

Froome was aggressive to be fair attacking with Sagan in crosswinds, on descents etc. It's just he was rarely ever put into a position where he had to, always had a minute advantage by the first rest day. Team sky was just more clinical whereas Pogacar always attacks which is more fun to watch.

Froome attacked from 80km out to win a Giro 3 from minutes behind. Let’s stop this nonsensical talking.

@@scott4868 one attack over how many seasons? Im not saying he never attacked but during his tdf domination he wasnt exactly known to lightup the stage.

Yes, he rides deeply unintelligently but you can’t blame Froome for not doing the same

The reason pog lost this tour was that he burned his team up in the stages before stage 11 chasing everything down, pog has zero chill. His or the ds aggression lost him this race.

Who's Patrick? I always thought it was just Lanterne that did these?

@@user-nh8kj2ph9f Patrick is Lanterne real name.

@@guidittabellini4388 Hold on! So you're telling me Lanterne Rouge isn't his real name?

@@beckobert seems like Patrick is his real name and Lanterne is just a nick name / street name.

@@user-nh8kj2ph9f 🤦

Best move of the tour imho

Check his victory celebration at the cyclocross national championships this year ;)

They've shown some footage in the finish zone when Kuss was congratulating Laporte too. One could see how happy Kuss was for him. Awesome team.

Ohm I thought a different thing when I red "chemistry"... 😜

pun intended? :)

Exactly. Some old school US Postal/Sky train analysts (Chris Horner specifically comes to mind) were complaining that Jumbo-Visma send too many riders in breaks and took too many risks, but it's just so much better for morale if everybody gets their chances and has the freedom to race when they feel well. I believe that in the end that gives better results and is also more sustainable than this very strict hierarchy and discipline.

@@MartijnterHaar Yeah fr. Talking about how green and yellow ambitions are clashing and Wout’s ego was a problem. Maybe on other teams it won’t work, but Jumbo-Visma just has a different mentality, they don’t let their ego get in the way of their team’s goals, and they’re incredibly unselfish.

After (W)right said Fred (commentator Kirby said that)

Wout is much better than Poga tbh. Literally nothing he can't do...

@@MicroageHD ranking world cyling pogacar 1

Wout is the absolute definition of all rounder.

@@zlatkaalessi5709 wout 2 yes but.. overall he is better even pogi himself said it

@@jonasvermijl7100 when did he say that?? he is not better then him on climbing stages and thats where it matters.

Didnt they do it twice at Paris Nice? I think , Laporte, Roglic, WVA 1-2-3 and then Roglic, WVA, Rohan Dennis 1-2-3 a few days later?

Except stage five xd

Just like team postal and Armstrong...

@@benjibodhranboy Cry harder

Bettiol the double agent

there are bonus seconds for placement

@@Mgoblagulkablong no, there are only bonus seconds for the first three.

But it did help for a Jumbo Victory.. and a French stage winner

@@Christian_Bagger Indeed and the result was quite delicious. The French cycling press is pissed off at what they consider the poor results of French teams in what is 'their' national race and yesterday L'Équipe bashed Jumbo as this big bad bogeyman winning everything and then today JV answers by delivering a French winner. Plus Laporte was with Cofidis for 13 years and then when he moved to JV (his first non-French team) he said that he could not believe the professionalism and just how hard he had to train and that none of the French teams were near that standard - all true but it annoyed the French press.

2021 996pt / rank 27 6 Paris-Roubaix (1.UWT) 7 Eschborn-Frankfurt (1.UWT) 1 Stage 1 - Isle › Sainte-Feyre Tour du Limousin 2 Stage 19 - Mourenx › Libourne TDF 2 Stage 3 - Lachen › Pfaffnau Tour Swiss (winner MVDP) . . .

Cofidis is just a shit team lol

and the co-winner of E3 Saxo Bank 2022😋

yeah the best doping programme in pro cycling will do that

agree. This guy has been on the attack forever. Flat stage, TT, mountain, hilly. WVA just attacks and sees what sticks

Cav would've spotted that and either berated his team into not letting it happen in the first place or wheel surfed to counter it himself. Experience counts over youth sometimes, Lefevere...

​@@ManWalksDogs I'm not sure about that. I think this was NOT a Tour for the pure sprinters and today showed that. Wilyness has shown itself to matter more than pure 300m sprint. I would have bet the field against Cavendish in every stage except perhaps Sunday's Champs Elysees stage.

@@coopaloopmex Nah, Cav has shown over the years that he's capable of getting over the Alps & Pyrenees and still perform. There has been two or three stages where I've thought Cav would have that. Sure, the rest would be gobbled up by WvA and those early sprints more hotly contested across the field. Every year people say it's not a tour for sprinters, but it's those days when the breakaway just about evades the catch where an experienced head would've changed how the run-in panned out. If I was Cav I'd be off before the years truly run out, cause Lefevere is clearly choosing his old compatriot's record over more success for his team.

To be honest Jonas would probably have won the yellow without a team. He is just stronger where it matters.

@@dannyjensen2123 Idk man. Both days when he put a bunch of time into Pogacar it was because his team attacked Pogacar all day or forced Tadej to attack early and Jonas was just there to land the killing blow at the end. I think head to head Pogi can beat anyone in the world except maybe Van Aert.

@@W4TSKY why do you think so? Jonas broke him on ventoux last year, hautacam and granon this year. To me this looks like a pattern where the only constants are Jonas and pogi.

@@dannyjensen2123 Yeah I agree with last year. But this year it wasn’t just Jonas and Pogi. Jonas had a ton of help on both Hautacam and Granon this year. I still think he’s the better climber than Pogi, but I don’t think he would have put in so much time on Pogi on either of those climbs if it weren’t for TJV. Remember it was WvA that dropped Pogi on Hautacam, not Jonas. And TJV were attacking all day on Granon (which Pogi had to react to bc he had no help) and Jonas was there to land the killing blow at the end when Pogi had nothing left in the tank.

@@W4TSKY He did. But he would have dropped pogi without help. He has been the strongest rider this year. If he had not been forced to help roglic last year he would have been very close to pogi there as well.

I think the same think

Simmons or Geschke could also be contenders but I guess van Aert is the most likely one

Na guess they won't choose a Jersey winner if possible

Maybe bit definitely not more than swimmers or runners

@@fyrortv8104 not geschke

Would you mind telling why it was a mistake, if you know why of course:)

@@srensndergaard2445 Doesn't actually seem to be a good reason as there was a split. But that's the commissaires for you. You never know what they are thinking.

@@grahamhoppstock-mattson2224 very odd. There were plenty of gaps. Question is, what is the lowest possible gap on a flat stage? Would they even consider 1 or 2 second gaps?

@@riquelmeone There is no reason they can't and they have before. It all depends on if they want to or not. I do not think this is often a very strict science tbh.

@@grahamhoppstock-mattson2224 Afaik, gaps are only counted as gaps when they are 3 seconds or more when sprinting from the same group, gaps of less than 3 seconds (like the 1 second gap between winner and the rest) is counted when the winner wasn't in the same group but ahead and wasn't caught.

Hes been awesome , never heard of Fred Wright but he's been one of the best in this years tdf easy . Winder if he will be in a bigger team next year

(W)right says Fred (Kirby's comment when Fred made his final move yesterday)

I think the team plays a big big part in this, but Vingegaard's climbing level is insane. I don't think we've seen a better climbing level since the 2000s, to be honest with you.

He has a contract till 2027, he isn't going anywhere else.

Agree entirely - how many stages has it been Pogacar vs 3 or 4 JV riders. The obvious initial focus was vs Roglic, and as even before Roglic was "defeated" Vingegaard has taken time and defends superbly. Even Ineos are far stronger than UAE, which has left Pogacar exposed...

@@neilbathe7752 Yeah, I think he can try more tactics to beat Jonas instead of just full gassing every climb if he has teammates. McNulty and Bjerg gave it everything on one stage though, just Jonas held on.

Ridiculous and incredibly stupid thing to say…. If the team won then how come Geraint Thomas isn’t in yellow? His team is currently stronger than all the others… Vingegaard won because he was the strongest. On stage 17 when Pogacars team was best he still couldn’t shake Vingegaard.

His performance almost was to be expected, he has been very good at Cofidis. And now with Rabobank...

Sagan to o

@@alpd7638 Sagan had a couple top 5 finishes in the first week

Don't forget Degenkolb

Apparently Alexander Kristoff is also here somewhere.

Yeah, this tour has had a very dark underbelly of cycling's colonial tendencies. If you ride for a non-European team it is suspicious. If you are from a non-central European country, suspicious. Even the tone from last year this year around the leader is ridiculous. Jonas has not once been questioned about doping despite having a massive step up in overall climbing level (we always knew to expect him to succeed in 40min climbs, but his overall level is way above what he has done previously). Yet no one has batted an eye about it despite seeing no evidence of this overall level until one climb at Dauphinae. I'm not saying it isn't real, it very well may be and I choose to have faith until more evidence suggests that we no longer should (I don't think very imperfect W/Kg graphs give us anywhere near definitive evidence and the science behind the limits of what is capable is not near definitive either). All to say, I just think it reveals some colonial and xenophobic attitudes in cycling that Jumbo and Jonas have gotten no criticism and praise whereas Tadej has been hounded his whole career despite simply performing at near the same level over an entire season year in-year out (a feature most dopers of the past have never replicated. Whereas, Jonas' pattern would fit more nicely. Again, I don't actually think anyone is doping because we just have nowhere near enough evidence to think so, but simply noting the selective bias going on at the moment.)

@@grahamhoppstock-mattson2224 Stop…. People literally start crying about doping at every single opportunity, doesn’t matter the rider. You having selective reading doesn’t change that.

@@frederikbrandt424 you're really on a fuss today. I don't think you've really been paying attention. Ask cycling journalists about the difference between how Tadej has been treated viz doping v Jonas this year. It's unsavoury. But hey, if you don't want to see you won't, so enjoy that.

@@grahamhoppstock-mattson2224 I HAVE been paying attention, which is why I see the doping allegations literally takes place anytime anyone does anything. You being a crybaby doesn’t make what you say true. You’re really out here spewing a bunch of garbage today.

@@frederikbrandt424 Lmao. Okay.

Wasn't he trying to neutralize the breakaway for Groenewegen?

Vingegaard can sign some autographs along the way, he can than puncture his wheel and still wear yellow at the Champs

@@woutermeijer2374 He could puncture twice, fall twice, walk across the finish line and still win the tour

@@woutermeijer2374 He could wear that ill-fitting TT helmet Roglic had the other year and still soft peddle the jersey over the line. But yes, I'd like to see how many risks Pogacar will still take to eat into that gap. Sensible move from ITV4, not starting their live feed until 3pm tomorrow, as there's fuck all else to look forward to now. Well, I'm looking forward to Le Tour Femmes (Sun 24th - Sun 31st), especially the last stage up La Super Planche des Belles Filles...

...I said that last night, but sitting here now with the ITT on live and a beer in hand I'm hoping against hope that G quietly monsters it whilst Vingegaard doesn't take too many risks & Pogacar takes too many (not wishing I'll on him btw). That said Ganna's already monstered it...🍺

...for the stage victory obvs, not yellow! G deserves more than just a podium spot for being consistently the best of the rest.

I think ASO expected a certain Mr Cavendish to ride and therefore wanted to make it as hard as possible... Fair play though, one of the best TdF for years and well done TJV...

Remember that ASO invited Julian Alaphillipe to the Tour presentation at Christmas - I think they thought he could win quite a few stages on the 2022 tour.

Yeh , I've never heard of Fred Wright to my shame and he has been excellent . He could walk into anyway, uae tjv and ineos ! Really great guy too , he's just loving racing

Take notes, Alaphilippe...

Aftre he came 2nd last year his contract got upgraded and he, Roglic and WVA are all on the top flight

well telecom did have two years where they pretty much destroyed the tdf.. but 3 jersies is impressive

@@martinsolden77 yeah, Riis and Ulrich as 1 and 2 in the GC and also having Erik Zabel win the green jersey... I think that is a hard feat to beat. Of course they have all admitted to using EPO (according to Zabel only once though) so that diminishes it somewhat.

2012 Team Sky went 1 and 2 on GC and won 6 stages including Paris, I would call that similarly dominant to Jumbo this year

@@benjaminfox-shapiro4032 The sky train had full control start to finish, i´d say they where right up there aswell

Jumbo,Sky,US Postal,Telekom and Banesto

Yes, and take the difference in the strengh of the team also in consideration, that played also a big part in the outcome of the result.

Yeah, and especially because it's exactly the same shirt, they should have changed something.

@@vinniamsterdam700 Agreed

I think the Cannibal Eddy Merckx won yellow, green and polka dots in the Tour.