One Size Doesn't Fit All: Democracy is Not Always the Best Form of Government 

doomprox so true. Live and let live. The world should give the freedom to every country to find their own best solution, unless serious humanity issues are detected. No-one has the right to tell others what they should do.

And “democracy works for the west” is also a debatable statement to begin with.

Singapore in history the city of burglars, robbers, smugglers until now. The West (UK) created Singapore to control Indonesia in trade and financial services. Event Singapore control air and sea traffic in Indonesia. Without Western support, Singapore would not be as it is today. It's a part of colonialism...

@@coolcalm1605 Of course, I think Singapore did benefit greatly from being a British colony. But if I may ask, what is your point? That colonialism is good or that Monarchy is good (because Britain was a Monarchy/Oligarchy when they colonised Singapore.)

@@coolcalm1605 ah yes, the west creates all!

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Jamaican here. Our democracy was destroyed in its cradle by the United States and its NGO arms during the Cold War era because our leadership was trying to protect the people from corporate exploitation. Her argument was unambiguously true. The strength to say no to other powers is a prerequisite to freedom.

@@jeremygardner5987 going to break usain bolt records next year...

Now China owns African nations resources, ports, and their entire futures. The belt and road initiative was a veiled land and resources grab from the start.

😂 un is only for upper class countries . Hahaha hypocrisy of west

Democracy the god that fails, from Hoppe. It is an amazing book explaining why democracy is NOT the best form of governance. Democracy is only better then "Benign" dictatorship because you have more FREEDOM, remember what she said in the begging your success depends on 3 thing, your hard workings, the government not screwing u up and other people not putting a government that will fuck u up. By definition, a "benign" dictatorship will NEVER restrain your liberty because it is benign, and if they do it, it is not a benign dictatorship. And it will never end, because there is no democracy, by definition it will be perfect forever. BUT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BENIGN DICTATORSHIP. The only other option to end democracy is libertinism, is anarcho captalism

@@shariqueahmad1050 UN is just controlled by the most powerful countries that work nearly in unison, which are the western countries along with Japan and maybe South Korea. Other countries may also be powerful like China or Russia but they don't hold the voting power of the combined West

@@adamgillespie3393 Utter rubbish. It is an excuse for western countries to assert their authority. They’ve lost already though, broken from within, and outside other powers are growing.

@@KingKhan20000 true and they want to push it on China to.say look even.china had to change to democracy but democracy is the undoing of national unity in many places

Max Jing especially the second guy on the opposition team. Literally paid on pity, sad-guy rhetorics and dumb liners to sway the dumb crowd.

It’s ironic how democracy won in the 20th century for its pragmatic and realistic approach while Soviet Union was very ideological. Now it reverses, the one that is ideological is democracy

Read things fall apart. Democracy is a very bad system,

@@sulayotega9557 Because it's not democracy!

@@collentreefelling9142 What is democracy?

+孙正峰 Friend. Us Europeans are in the process of proving just how bad and just how easily corrupted democracy is. I wish you all the best. You have weathered the horrors of communism and crazy leadership. And my guess is that you are adamant of not going there again. Thus, you do not need democracy. Just hang on to your memories of the Cultural revolution and the great leap and the other abuses of central authority. And you will be ok. Also look how Europe burns and exterminates itself. Democracy is no safeguard against selfdestroying insanity.

Martin Andersson Thank you, friend.

+zf s you don't speak for all chinese

risingsun08107 who said i speak for all chinese.

it's implied by the grammar of your comment "we chinese..," "as a chinese...," and so forth

Journey entered with democracy with economic in all the way .

And what is that "something"?

Idealistically, an ideal democracy would still be better than an ideal (“benign”) dictatorship.

@@alphabeta4028 Higher quality of life, liberty and self-determination for all its citizens.

​@@alphabeta4028 Justice, liberty and pursuit of happiness for all people.

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Democracy is everything western at that particular moment. US was democracy in its constitution even when Black and Women could not vote. UK is a democracy even when most of its representatives are not elected by the people. Russia is undemocratic because Putin is too popular, he receives more than 70% approval from his people, much higher than any western leader. They keep electing him. Germany is democratic even if they elected Angela Merkel for 5 terms.

Democracy is when all exercise of state power ultimately originates from the will of the population.

Well, that's not always right.

@@radioreactivity3561 and who says you are right??

Nope. Most European countries got democracy first and prosperity second. They generally have better gdp per capita and score better in happiness index than dictatorships like China too.

@@NoobieToob what the heck is a happiness index ? Some of these indices are quite useless btw ...remember in 2019 when it was said that the US and UK are the countries best prepared for a Pandemic.....how did the 'Pandemic preparedness index ' work out for them when it was put to the test...in a real Pandemic

@@Avaricumstudios It worked out relatively fine dude. The pandemic was a shitshow everywhere. In less than a year a new vaccine was tested and put to effective use in the western world whereas China is still coping today and hiding their recent deaths when rest of the world has largely moved on too.

Democracy is not about truth.

There is no such thing as universal truth

Is this offered in other languages????

@@user-ok8gp4vx3t is that a universal truth?

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This is so true for me as well. I live in Nigeria, and I've seen older people say they preferred our past dictators because at least the dictators could guarantee us security and they were responsible for the economic development that our current democracy destroyed.

Greetings! Well, I think that some so called "democracy" is just a noun. Because a democracy is meant to be a regime that do take care of the population... If this is not the case, it is not a democracy in a sense... In the opportunity, I wish that Jesus, the Name above all names (Phillipians 2), bless you/family/friend readers and may you feed from His Word, and Salvation!

I agree, democracy is not really for developing countries. In my country, we have five year terms of rule and we've changed presidents 6 times. The problem with this has been that the country doesn't have a vision, direction and self definition. Every new president comes with his own ideas which do not stay long to be proved or work before a new government takes over. With democracy comes inconsistency and loss of direction. In a world where every idea should stand, we are left with million voices to hear from and in the end fail to move forward.

Libya under gadaffi was a good example

@@zenxel The first service the state, in truth any form of government, ever gave in the existence of our species was the service of protection, think about it "Listen tribe, me says if you listen quick, me lead tribe to hit with axe enemy tribe who steal game from ancestor land", you can imagine every iteration of this message for the next 200,000 years, from mesopotamians and egyptians, to romans and greeks, to indian and chinese right up to this age of highly developed countries capable to produce AI, nuclear weapons and spaceships. An state which fails to ensure security of their own people is a state soon to be wiped out.

Exactly.....democracy in Africa is nonsense and doesn't work

not only in Africa

Hence why Africa is so poor

@@thomasneedham1224 That doesn't really make sense, European states didn't get rich democratically, its like you're working backward. Remember democracy is incredibly young in the span of world history and many of the richest countries today have long histories of autocracy and monarchical rule.

Democracy is very young indeed compared with the human history, however, it's what is preferred by most counties NOW in the world for different reasons. These reasons are often historically, culturally and economically determined by the citizens of that Country and most importantly their democratically elected government is accountable to the voters by law.

I cannot believe this happens 8 years ago when I debated with my American friends every day and they slammed me for supporting Chinese system now we see the result.

It’s ironic how democracy won in the 20th century for its pragmatic and realistic approach while Soviet Union was very ideological. Now it reverses, the one that is ideological is democracy

@@ericjiang7986 If I may ask, between a democracy and a technocracy, what is the purpose of a government with respect to its people?

@@ericjiang7986 and now us supporters of China have been proven right ☺️

Or African audience

That's correct bcos in the existing audience, majority are already brainwashed to favor democracy since birth. Their entire lifetime is indoctrinated with democracy is good designed as good vs the evil Communist.

Present People of Western -european developed countries preaching democracy to poor developing countries like(India & China) should realise that the privilegeness they're enjoying comparing to people of other parts were built on other systems suitable to their circumstances by their past generation but not on democracy.

in the dominant narrative of the fragmentation of modern social thought, the most important sphere that affects our lives -the economy-is not questioned as being undemocratic (dictatorial even). Hence the acceptance of representative democracy (the form of democracy as the best shell for capitalism) as the ‘least of evils’.

Correct!!

😂 Ok

True.. Even if the country considered as democratic, still the democracy is not properly practiced by the citizens..

There is a long list of undemocratic practice that demonstrate that the issue is not about citizens, but about state, power and class relation, feudal and capitalist institutions. Two examples: a football player gets in 16 minutes what a nurse earns in a week. Support of dictatorship and complicity in crimes. Those only two examples which are outside democratic say.

"...without corruption." It seems that is impossible.

徐进 And this is a conclusion from economic researches.

Dongxu Zhou If you want you can give a look at Swiss GDP in 1848 and at Swiss political institutions in 1848... You'd be surprised.

All long standing democracies in the west started out having high rates of poverty and much less access to technology to better their lives then today.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 so capitalist thought.

​@@Achcautli69 i fear socialist

And also, is not the system by itself, but the government, the real system that they use is often different than the one they claim to use

I don't think so. Look at China and Russia. The people there insist they live in a democracy, but it's clear to everyone else that that isn't true.

A German philosopher once remarked that democracy and the rule of law simply mean that you do not have to worry every time when the doorbell rings whether it is just the milkman or rather the secret police that wants to imprision you (GeStaPo).

Whether you recognize it when you don't have it is completely beside the point. The question is whether there's something that we ought to be pushing on other countries.

@@xornxenophon3652 The Gestapo came about in a democratic country, unless you're just making a circular argument by defining the best governments as "democratic," in which case, yes, obviously democracies are always best.

@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 Nope! Gestapo was created only after all traces of democracy and the rule of law had been abolished by Hitler. It is really that simple!

20:02 *DAMN!!!*

That applies in Latin America as well.

Latin America and easy Asia and africa

USA: Ukraine should have democracy, just ignore Russia Ukraine: elect anti-Russian leader Russia: try my bomb USA: fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Then USA call for “freedom fighters” to take down the anti western “dictators” to restore “democracy” back😂. While Trump Capitol Hill protestors are deemed as illegal and rioters 😂

对啊，这些观众很不理智

I noticed how vague Shevchenko was about what he called democracy (and rightly challenged by one ot the proposers). Anything that makes you feel good is democracy, and so he probably wants to keep his hands free to impose on "his" people the kind of democracy that suits him best when the time comes. And this game with words has already been widely expoited by the most repressive regimes, for instance the "German Democratic Republic", the "Democratic Republic of North Korea". Have your pick. So you would say: ok, these are not real democracies, but the failure on the opposition side to define precisely and concretely what constitutes a real democracy (if it is not just about voting) makes one wonder whether the slogan "democracy" is not just another of those bad words that anyone can use and abuse in his/her own favour. Democracy is anything that makes you feel good: surely so if you are the politician telling "your" people what they should feel good about. Funny also that the question of whether or not Britain is a real democracy remained unanswered. If the (probably one of the best) criteria is that it is one in which the people can hold its government effectively to account, then Britain does not score very well on that test. I don't think that in the last century, if ever apart from the times of Cromwell, even the British parliament, let alone the people, has managed to hold its executive to account in any meaningful way. Numerous scandals (Iraq war, failure of finding WMD, the Scots report on alleged government collusion in weapons trade and then the covering up of it, the secret Al-Yamamah weapons deal, the alleged involvement in torture, etc all spring to mind) on which in other countries a government would certainly fall, have never managed to unseat a British executive. A true democracy? Hmmm.

I really can't believe how many people were against the notion. Then again, I can because JUST LIKE POLITICS charisma swayed the vote. People vote with feelings, not facts. I guarantee you if you had switched the panellists that there'd be 75%+ FOR the notion. As you can tell I am definitely for the notion. Democracy won't work in countries with tradition and cultural uprisings. You try add democracy in the middle east and you'll see that's what the people WOULDN'T want. Secular states. Already seen the evidence with Arab Springs as Islam has a huge sway in how things are run. Development is another big issue. Great points were made for the notion. Good debate overall.

Also, this is a liberal idea of democracy (from Shevchenko's point of view). A fantasy of how the world should be run. I'm not a realist but we can't be dreaming!

+Idrees Ahmed By the way. It's "Motion", not "Notion" they are talking about. Unless you know it and really prefer the word "Notion" and so in that case there's no problem at all. Peace. ;)

Now, worse than dictatorship happens in India because majority finds it okay to kill anyone from minority. Government is happy that it gets votes for allowing this. Democracy without strong independent just judiciary, clean police, checks on corruption by government, independent press and strong opposition are must for success of a democracy. India is a classic example of failure of democracy. Human rights abuses to freedom nothing exists.

and terrifying caste system.....can not believe that still happen in a ‘democracy’ country...

@Karan Kumar we don't have castism shows that you are a previledged person

This problem has been eradicated in China because of development, not because of democracy. It was a problem rooted in tradition combined with poverty. The lady who asked that question doesn't know what she was talking about.

@@rexch5998 Don't forget linguistic Fascism too exist in discriminating other lingo!

Absolutely right 👏🏿

well then wealth is the only thing that matters not growth.

@@milesdunstan-daams4855 the obtainment of wealth is growth

@@stanleywang7367 yeah but if your already wealthy you dont need growth.

@@milesdunstan-daams4855 which was precisely the point made

and it's funny how democracy only wins with ideological arguments in the sense that they are not grounded in reality. the reality is that africa has been devastated by democracy, latin america and poor south asian countries. Democracies only work when the country already is flourishing and even that is not for sure.

@@aminekakla10 dig deeper you notice we people of the planet are all spiritually sick and confused. The ways we govern show symptoms of the disease. We are living in a global village, where we have no choice but to come together, and solve our problems collectively, while old habits of thinking are keeping us apart. So we need spiritual remedy, rather than to worry about the aspirin we take 😂 or the type of Band-Aids we use 😂

@@mrlool1991 what about the city on the hill, America, in the last 2 years?

@@aminekakla10 A country with a high level of corruption cannot be considered as a democracy. I studied in political science and for me the definition is clear. A democracy is a form of government that elects representatives through free elections, where political disagreements are expressed freely, there is an independent media acting as a check & balance, a constitution with a judicial system that can censor unconstitutional laws and is also independent from political interference, a plurality expressed in the public discourse, within the legislative body and with a constitutional right to protest peacefully and a strong civil society to express that plurality. I might forget a few other criteria but if democracy was only a matter of votes and freedom of speech and expression, it would be ease the work of political scientists. LOL These are definitely essential elements but insufficient. A society where corporations can buy politicians or political power is an oligarchy, not a democracy even if people vote and are free to express themselves. However, a society where corporations do not rule and the government is improving the qualify of life of his citizens who are overall satisfied is not a democracy if political dissidence is illegal.

@@mrlool1991 the Europeans 🇪🇺 🇺🇸 & japan split China into a lil slave mini banana states. CCP saved the world from 1.5billion( 2-2.5 billion if there was no 1 child policy) from mass starvation and migration. Let’s be real now

good argument based on reality and figure.

you are commenting that without getting shot no? Voice of people is voice of God. There is no going back from that. But we cant forget our own culture either. What the west did for Japan and Korea wont work for India and China

In China they learned how to feed one another, didn't ask democracy to help, and they did pretty good with Communism, that it's so bad for indians.

Did other forms of government in the previous thousands years of history give Indian people enough bread?

@@MrKarpovy good question and the answer is yes. There is evidence even upto late 19th century of local authorities and the rich joining together to procure and distribute grain whenever there was a famine. Also religious institutions of all kinds daily distribute food since forever.

Not all minds can forget the kills in the name of it.

Yan Zhaoci Ok, so, hundreds of thousands of pro-democracy activists in Tienanmen Square in 1989 were "the West"? They look pretty much Chinese to me.

a b : They were Chinese . But China has done much better for its citizens by suppressing them.

@@pardeeptandon6730: So any one who is against communist dictatorship is a "non-citizen" by definition and must be suppressed to the benefit of the "true citizens", who are apparently the conformist robots? What could be more arrogant than deciding who is a real citizen based on their points of view?

a b : The millions killed by the Democratic NATO in IRAQ, Syria, Libya, and now they are getting ready to kill thousands in Democratic Iran .

“Ask the indigenous native people of Canada 🇨🇦!” 🤷🏼‍♀️

I believe all panelists would've agreed that democracy is the way for the future, but just not yet. Although maybe benign dictatorship would still be the answer of the lady? Unsure.

Do you think a dictator would develop the country and get people out of poverty? What if the dictator is corrupt and only cares about himself? The problem isn't a particular system. The problem is always the people in power. If those people are good and want to develop their country and give people good living conditions then it doesn't matter how those people come in power. The problem is when bad people come in power who don't want the good of people but just care for their own greed. Democracy or any other system with checks and balances is the way to go. Where, if the people in power are not doing enough for the people, they can be called to question and take away their power if needed. In theory, democracy can do this. because in a democracy, people have the rights granted to them by the constitution. And the government is basically a service provider that does what it needs to ensure people's rights and their well being. Poverty, hunger, bad living conditions that are prevalent in even democratic countries, just tell you that the system is corrupt and tells you that the government is not doing its job properly and that the checks and balances that are need to ensure people's rights are not working.

Finally someone who says the truth not to mention hindu fascist modi getting elected , pshycopathic obama getting voted twice with racist trump boris Johnson getting elected

They did mention it, that was the woman's main argument. But the tyranny of the majority concept is simple fearmongering. We are in an even worse situation, the tyranny of the minority, an elite minority that use political power to their advantage at the expense of the rest

Where? In what country are those laws of protection enforced? They r not in the US.

We do not have a Democracy in the US. Its a Plutoctacy. Our basic systems are propped up by capitalism. Not good.

Hitler wasn't elected... go and learn history before posting again.

The right question is: Is there only one type of Democracy?

@@UnierseTruth The rigter question: is Democracy better fried or cooked?

The right question is : Can Developed & Rich Western democracy countries will let poor developing countries to be little less democracy in their early stage of economic growth as they also compromised democracy in their early stages of development?

Should you take part in the decision making of any that impacts you in some way meaningfully?

True, everyone's development has its own time but it does not mean that we compromise with non-democratic regimes.

People are starting to see through the fallacy of the liberal representative democracy because it doesn’t represent us. It’s that simple.

100% agree.

So, dou you want to be under the rule of Porfirio Diaz or the mighty PRI? I will see your answer with great interest.

I don't know which country do you belong but in comparison to Communist countries we have lots of rights and satisfy .India have lots of problem such as GDP and Corruption etc but at least we can ask question to our leader and raise concern.What about Communist world ???Can you ask any Query to them infornt of their Media?? Aftemath you will search other country for asylum..

@@avi7771987 But the media can also be bought just like the votes of people can be bought. But this is not because democracy is bad but because the system needed to keep the democracy in check and to ensure that people's rights are upheld are bad and corrupt.

​@@avi7771987 lol. Mla Mp can be easly bought here with few lakhs.

@@darthsorosious3985 Please read my comment before replying and do some reasearch for MP Salary and Indian Politics.However if we accept your comment it is means democracy is alive .Otherwise in some another courtries either you will disappear with in week or your height will reduce 6 inch . ...you don't have basic data about India.

Only available in English?

This hasn't aged well at all man

@Kwok Wai Lai you couldn't be further from the truth in 2022. Learn from it.

In the end, the audience voted for the wrong question in support of the chinese speaker & the Ukrainian speaker. They didn't really vote for whether every country should pursue democracy in their present status. For sure, not every country can organise a fair contest for democratic governance in their existing level of existence, so most democracies need to go through a period of benigh dictatorship rather like having a capable CEO of a company.

@Kwok Wai Lai oh my, your comment has aged really well, sadly

But in a one party system the people in power can manipulate the law to their advantage and can't be held to account.

@@freebornjohn2687 They can do that in whichever system is at place, so long as they all agree to it. That is also why increasing the number of people to share power from many different kinds and places is a very republican (not democratic) thing to do.

There are (and have been) plenty of unjust laws. Slavery was once legal - that doesn't mean it was moral or just.

@@sohangchopra6478 Given that observation, I would like to point that the Rule of Law should be, at its best, the Rule of Natural Law,.

state the alternative form of governance u prefer please

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It produces an accountable and less corrupt form of government. Less corruption means faster economic growth. This is seen around the world.

@@tc98826 India is looking at you Nigeria too Both democratic Pretty much all countries developed when they were not democratic. The USA was not democratic as there was no universal suffrage until the 1960,s. At one point only white wealthy male landowners could vote. Taiwan, South Korea and Singapore,s growth were kickstarted and overseen by autocratic leaders Meiji Japan was not democratic Britain was a monarchy during most of it,s development and most of that development happened by wealth transfer from it,s colonies and the industrial revolution. Same with France Generally increased wealth brings democracy not the other way round.

@@fewblack1572 DICTATORSHIP

That's the most pathetic argument in favor of your position. "We have our own culture" LOL. So you can deny people their rights and that's "culture" ? Even slavery was "cultural" but it's wrong and immoral.

A dictatorship typically doesn't respect the differences inside it's own nation, be it ethnicities or opinions. Why should a democracy respect a different system which itself inherently doesn't respect differences?

@@SuhaibZafar are you giving the country to choose their own democracy? If not, you are not democratic.

@@SuhaibZafar what’s pathetic is the virtue signaling you just did. western democracy doesn’t automatically equate to virtue or a moral government

@@tonyeffik6781 Not everything is "virtue signal". At least learn the meaning of your buzzwords. And stop liking your own comments, it makes you look foolish.

I wonder what Ian Bremmer would say after the fact.

They don't even need to be ex-dictatorships All democracies are in danger of corruption. All systems are in danger of corruption.

Or when it is unstable like in Subsaharan African countries when you have 30 political parties in an election

how you anylized the level of corruption

@@Iv4Bez By observing.

it actually a feature of democracy - the ability to lobby. You shouldn't be surprised that most governments care more about $$$ than what you want.

Yet people fall into the emotional appeal, a showcase of a typical democracy.

Which shows exactly why democracy is so flawed. Emotional, pathetic idiots.

Agree

Bcos it is a fact, more stupid people than smart people. And majority wins.

Well said. I find the result quite disturbing.

That's more of a rhetort than anything, because the question is: what are we supposed to do about that? If people collectively simply do not have the critical thought necessary to govern themselves, what is the solution, aristocracy?

@@Synodalian A (tentative) solution, if it exists, must be highly circumstance-dependent and complicated - it does not admit a simple description. The point is that no system is intrinsically/inherently good, i.e. good under all circumstances.

Indeed ma'am that's what I thought.

@@DaylenAmell My real question is what kind of society we're supposed to be fighting for if we're so ready to put our own political freedom on the chopping block for convenience's sake. Just because there is no ideal system out there, doesn't mean that it's all _relative._ When we sink to that level of ambiguity, we open up the space for localized tyrannies all over the world.

Vikram Bhat That’s what we observe at economic scale. Democracy is great but a democracy government isn’t necessary to raise a nation or to serve its ppl in the nation.

That's why we must strive to educate the population. Like in kerala. Where even a labourer is able to take an informed decision. Because it's a 100 percent literate state.They know the value of education.

IT SHOULD BR THR JOB OF POLITICIANS TOEDUCATE PROPLE AND BRING THEM YO POLITICSL AWARENESS

Spot on!

That's why having checks and balances are necessary.

We do not want any flavor of democracy, keep it to yourself if you like it so much

@@primeminister1040 Who said you have a choice. We will force it on you. No need to thank us. We will take your resources as a compensation.

​@@primeminister1040 we? Who is that we? Is that an accurate representation of your whole group? Your neighbourhood? City? County? Country? What is that based on? Why?

@@thorthewolf8801 the ones who got bombed to death in the name of democracy, ever heard of them?

@@primeminister1040 Yes, germany got bombed in the name of democracy, I hear they are quite fond of it. Ok, you answered one question (well, not really, but close enough), now answer the others.

The root meaning of govern-ment = to control-mind... why does anyone want to vote for anything other than self to control their mind?

@@thedude5740 stupid, cryptic comment.

@@rufanuf1 you obviously haven't caught on to what language is. My comment wasn't stupid or cryptic... simply the truth. Of course in a world full of lies the truth looks weird... I once heard a great philosopher say, allow a fool to persist in his folly and he will become wise...

@@thedude5740 Theres no "truth" in what your saying. Only opinion and even a fool can see that, but hey most people do go thru their lives thinking their opinions are fact.

@@rufanuf1 so no amount of evidence or logic I present would show you otherwise? Simply your opinion is correct no matter what can be proven?

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