By the way, the 78% is based on average income across all industries and all people (including overtime hours, which men tend to work more of), not the way buzzfeed shows it. It is a myth that the 78% is comparing a male in a specific job to a female in the same specific job
Alex Hutcheson I only get payed 80% compared to a male co-worker with the same job but its the fact that a pay gap even exists that bugs me. It shouldn't exist at all whether it be 80% or 95%. Am I only 80% as valuable as my male co-worker?
kayla zehner my mom owns a vet business along with a male and she takes 60% home and he takes %40. That does not mean that women make more than men. There are way more factors than "we do the same job, so we should get the same pay" that is what communism is
GingerStarburst if women get paid less than men? Why not just employ women? Plus, just because you do the same job, doesn’t mean you put in the same effort, hours and time into it as the other gender. :)
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I mean from an economic point of view, if you could legally get away with paying your worker 78% of what you normally pay, wouldn't you just hire a ton more women? You'd make more money overall by just hiring women.
***** First off, you have very few credible resources and the ones that were credible like the Bureau of Labor Stats were flawed in that they did not account for hours works per week. They only covered median salary, the job, and the percentage of women and men in that job. They did not go by specific companies worked in, what they paid their employees and there aren't even confidence intervals for the hypothesis. Every single "study" that you named is flawed or askew with incorrect data. Hours worked, quality of that work, and if someone is getting a bonus or even a pay raise for number of years in that work or doing a good job is all not included in any of those studies.
SpectrumUK I don't understand how people can completely overlook the hundreds of studies that debunk the wage gap and focus on the one that supports it, the one that only takes average pay for women vs average pay for men. Job, education, time worked, etc. were all ignored in that study.
I meamt to dislike but your comment made me double check and I guess I accidentally liked it. Not used to disliking videos so maybe it slipped my mind.
the wage Gap is the average pay for men and women on full-time work. It does not correlate to ours and it does not correlate to the job done. It has nothing to do with the same job.
Exactly! People always cite that stupid 78% wage gap statistic but the truth is that women overall have lower-paying jobs than men. It has nothing to do with equality, the actual wage gap for women and men in the same job with the same qualifications is about 4-5%. Also women make up for that gap anyway because they get more paid maternity leave (not in the US tho you twats don't even provide paid maternity leave)
Thanks for explaining. I am not from America and this video really made me think American companies were very sexists for having different salaries for men and women.
Katie Davids Domain Actually I come from a 1st world country (Australia) where there is an approximate 16% gender pay gap. In fact, not only does the gender pay gap exist, it is also rising. In most of the world women suffer from unequal pay because of their gender. So, yes, it is f**king ridiculous. BTW, try looking up these facts on Google (I might need a refresher on the exact pay gap.)
Ally Pitt Yh, It is good to look up facts before you go into an argument. There ARE studies that say that men out-earn women. But this is disingenuous, especially the way Buzzfeed has presented it. There are laws that you would be breaking by giving a woman, in the exact same position as a man "78%" of what the man earns. You would be in jail. This is like me saying "black people are more violent than white people in america." This is true but it doesn't take into account the fact that black people grow up in poorer areas. Also you claim "its rising", no it isn't. Younger woman in their 20s are out-earning men, but you don't see the outcry there, because I guess people account for the factors in that situation. Also, i'm not sure if my first comment was even relevant. Does MegaGardevoir mean that paying people more because of who they are is ridiculous, or do they mean that the "Gender Pay Gap" is a ridiculous idea? (Edit: "?")
Davids Domain Yet people are breaking these laws and not getting called out for it. The fact is that the gender pay is paying people more or less based on their gender, whether it is consciously or subconsciously. I did state where I come from and I will repeat (Australia), where the pay gap is rising. Quoting the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) "New data shows gender pay gap has risen. New data from the ABS shows that the gender pay gap has hit 18.8 per cent, a record high since this data began to be collected in 1994." There are studies that show single women who live in a single household out earn men in their respective age range, but the far majority of women either live with someone else or are married, so this is not really relevant. I do understand where you are coming from, with the laws, but the issue with that argument is that laws like these are difficult to enforce.
@@VishalYadavSays & what did the magic Google machine tell you? Telling them to research when you havent put out anything concrete when expert economists say it is a garbage attempt @ a theory. Whatever you googled was garbage & fed your delusion if I'm wrong, pls inform us of the irrefutable facts & prove us ignorant wrong.
Because even as most feminists put it, there isn't really a pay gap. I'm all for equality but the difference in pay isn't a result of simply what sex you are.
I'm an accountant and I have access to a lot of HR and payroll data. I rarely see any wage gap purely due to gender: same company, same job, comparable experience & education = same hourly wage. We have (mostly female) HR administrators to make sure of that. I do notice, in entry level non-specialized jobs, males are willing to accept lower wage than females for the same position, due to competition. However, it's true that more males are currently working in high paying positions: such as senior management (20+ years experience and winners of cut-throat competition), very specialized technical positions, extensive overtime & travel related jobs, hazardous and dangerous work environments. Bigger Corporations actually have social pressure to hire females for these positions, and usually end up hiring one or two under-qualified female worker to diversify the team. And as a result, adding more workload and stress to their male co-workers.
John Baker Only the most controversial and provocative comments get bumped to the top, because they attract the people who act ("like"/reply) before think, from both sides.
STOP. BEFORE YOU COMMENT! Go and research into the wage gap. Right now. Its not hard. Just read a few legit articles or look at how the surveys are done, look at the data. Then come back and make an informed comment, so you don't look ill informed. It doesn't take much to see that its not due to discrimination. Question yourself if you haven't done any damn research.
Vixolent forget it man, being informed is SO hard, my god, who has time for 5 minutes of research!? NOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO we're all gonna be nice and ignorant instead, yelling "PAAATRIARCHY" and "WAAAGE GAP" every chance we get. Its just so damn easy, and the true American way is always the easiest, right?
Don't be stupid you misogynistic twit, Just because it's AGAINST THE LAW to pay women less doesn't mean it won't HAPPEN!! Now where did I put that kitchen appliance that I married? I need a sandwich.
weird. im in the same position, where i and a woman do the same job, but she earns about 40% more!! should i sue? i mean, i know shes got more experience, been there longer and im fresh out of uni but that dosent matter! equal pay for equal work right? someone with 4 months experience deserves the same as someone with 10 years right? anyone?
+(InsertNameHere) It happens, sorta, but it's by state, not by gender. True story, fake names. WOPR (me) is a boy My friends Cherry and Plum are girls We all get jobs working at Round Table Pizza as preppers. First jobs, all fresh out of high school, we are equal people, working equal jobs. WOPR, in California makes $9.00/hour Cherry in California makes $9.00/hour Plum in Idaho makes $2.13/hour
+Rory Mackinnon There are several ways for an employer to get out of this, you know that as well as i do. However I believe its a primitive way of working and simply doesn't happen anymore/98% of the time. For example I recently started a new job and I was made aware I get paid roughly about 35-30% more than everyone else (mixed genders). However a girl started with me, who is 5 years younger than me (im 27) and with less experience is paid the exact same. In all honesty if i was female and i found out i was being paid unfairly because of that I wouldn't use it to get more money I'd use it to learn that the company is unethical and i wouldn't want to work for them anyway. It would be a lesson I didn't know i was paying for. For example, if you relised you were being paid less for being a woman and you got a rise to the same as a male for threatening them, would you honestly really want to stay there? I as a male wouldn't either, if my employer did that to a woman.
This is not what the wage gap is, it actually means that ALL WOMEN in the U.S earn 78% of what ALL MEN in The U.S do. The main reason for this is because big business is dominated by men, only 5% of Fortune 500 ceos are women. It doesn't mean if Bob has a job for a pool cleaning service, and earns $10 an hour, and Jill had the same job, and same hours that she would earn $7.80 and hour.
"I only make 78% of that? That's so weird we have the same job!" No you don't. If you did, then paying a male significantly more for the same role with the same qualifications and experience would be illegal and highly unethical. Are you trying to empower women to copy you and lose their own jobs? Just another example of Buzzfeed's lack of nuance in their treatment of issues. nuance
@@luciledh8534 Being a guy doesn't invalidate me from looking at statistics. Anecdotal evidence means nothing when it comes to the wage gap. How much more do men make than women for the same job in America?
@@luciledh8534 I worked part-time during winter holiday...we were paid on weekly basis and guess what the girl I was working with made 7000 rupees and I only made 4500... I worked from 12pm to 9pm and the girl worked 12pm to 8pm..
YOU CANNOT LEGALLY PAY SOMEONE LESS THAN OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE OF GENDER! IT IS AGAINST THE LAW THIS IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THE WAGE GAP! The wage gap is caused by different values men and women have about taking time off, maternity leave, personal days and more. Also, women generally pick lower paying jobs, that is a fact. These are just the average facts. It is unlawful to pay someone less based on their gender, race, etc.
Meggy Peggy Yes, the Equal Pay Act of 1963 ensures this! I can't believe some people actually believe a person is paid less than another person simply based on their gender!
Chloe Marstiller If it was unlawful and yet they got away with it, they would mostly hire women because they could pay them less. But they don't, because they can't. If a woman is being paid less than her male counterpart who has worked the same job for the same amount of time with the same experience and capabilities, then she can sue.
“The wage gap is simply the average earnings of men and women working full-time. It does not count for different job positions, hours worked, or different jobs. It has nothing to do with the same job. It has nothing to do with discrimination.”
Lemon grenade, I mean the sources which contain their claims don't exist,. I have read the study to which they think they are referring. It also mentioned that the figure didn't differentiate between those who worked overtime and those who did not, which was another big factor. (Edited)
If I like this video, it is only because that woman in the video messes with the company paying her 78% by only doing 78% of the work. That is what makes it humorous satire! She was right. We need to fix this. As an un-sexist white male, I agree 101% with the white female and the black female. December 6, 2019, 1:02am
Jack Toone I mean not only are we talking class action lawsuit but federal prosecution. Not mention to public relations nightmare that would follow. All well deserved I would say.
This reminds me of the myth about people only using 10% of their brain capacity. Completely and categorically untrue, but the narrative is so ridiculously engraved into the modern ethos that people just accept it as fact. Does buzzfeed think that people have no access to google? I hope they people aren't actually taking this as fact.
critter505 its not a myth, but its also not 100% true for all jobs. For example, one of my university profs told us that when she first started her job back in 09 her fellow male professors made alot more than her even though they had the same job and were in the same department. I've actually heard this happen quite often in universities/collages and its kind of sad.
Blauruman Getting paid more for being there longer makes no sense and is probably the stupidest thing people should be paid for... especially in education facilities.. It will only be necessary if the job role was different and you work your way up. So yeah. Take that shit.
***** No she doesn't. If you go through all the things to get qualified for the job... you should not be paid less due to being new... you know the work and such... being new should NOT matter. You're the fucking dumbass.
***** No she doesn't. If you go through all the things to get qualified for the job... you should not be paid less due to being new... you know the work and such... being new should NOT matter. You're the fucking dumbass.
Catherine Mitchell There is a big difference between an amateur that just came out of college and a guy that has been working on that job for 10 years. What you are stating is plainly dumb. Would you pay the same amount of money to a guy who came out of high school and a guy with 20 years of experiwnce?
No it's not. These data doesn't take into account position in the company or how long they been in the company or the hours they work. Men do get paid more for the same job, they get paid more because they have jobs that pays more money or because the work more hours. You can ask why aren't there more women getting promotions but no, man do not get paid more for the same job
Men are not afraid of smart talented women, and it's illegal to pay discriminate. The wage gap is due to mens and women's different career choices. Men die at the workplace 9 times more than women do. And for that they only on average get paid 22 cents more? But let's forget that inconvenient fact. Half truths are much easier to use for our own self-serving feminist agenda!
spinosauruskin Are you serious? Even if it's illegal that doesn't mean it doesn't still happen. Don't blame the feminist movement for bs that still goes on today.
she was paid less to who? you know, maybe the work experience and the work role have something to do with her getting paid less. You know that the wage gap is EARNINGS gap, not PAYING gap? she EARNS less, but she still is PAID the same amount as anyone else who has the same experience and is doing the same work. The reason why the average pay gap is favoring men is because they work for more (as well as other factors but keep it simple) they don't literal get paid more, they earn more.
dunderducky Actually there are people who are paid less based on the same statistics (relative age, work experience, and job). Either way, whether you believe in the average pay gap due to earning or not, the point of the video is to make the wage gap ironic by showing how silly it'd be if we actually started working as paid.
Aryiana Moore "Actually there are people who are paid less based on the same statistics (relative age, work experience, and job)." what about gender? i think that is the purpose of the video, its not to show how ironic it would be. Its trying to push the agenda that women are supposedly paid less for the same job which is a lie that has been debunked too many times.
dunderducky I'm sorry I assumed you understood let me rephrase: Actually there are women who are paid less than men based on the same statistics (relative age, work experience, and job). The gender is not the same which is the whole point of the video. And I think you're wrong about the video because it's obviously comedic irony. In order to show how outrageous the wage gap is, an actor is put in a scenario where she only works the percent she is being paid to work in comparison to one of her counterparts in the work force. It's like when people publish political cartoons. It's supposed to be a comedic take on an important issue. Just because you don't agree with the issue doesn't mean it's not ironic suddenly because you, one individual, say so.
Amanda Noelle I am sorry but im not speaking for everyone i am speaking for myself and personally i believe feminism is not in favor equality anymore but it is favor of stupid issues like gaming being sexist hair on armpits and other ridiculous matters that shouldnt even bother people in the first place.Furthermore i think sexism applies for both genders and feminists are focusing only on women.I think its truly disrespectful to advertise western women as an oppressed group in society because actually women in western countries are the freest and most liberated women in history.Its disrespectful to the women who live in third world countries and let me tell you these women truly do not have rights at all.
+Maria Kazazaki Not exactly, you may be talking about a movement that has become known as "white feminism" (i.e. feminism that excludes another group). The original goal of feminism was gender equality and was named feminism because females were oppressed as a group. Saying western females can't be upset about inequality because someone has it worse is like saying someone can't be happy because someone else has it better...
Michaela M. I am not talking about "white feminism" or whatever is this anyway...And i never said feminism didn't start as a movement that basically wanted equality between the two sexes.However this has now changed.We,women, in western societies gained the rights we deserve.Western women have lots of benefits in our societies.We are indeed the freest and the most liberated women in history.What exact right women do not have but men have?Tell me at least one.So why are feminists still so unsatisfied?Why feminists do not try to actually HELP women who live in developing countries? Why feminists focus exclusively only in problems related to women and not both sexes?Why feminists spread false information like the so called "wage gap"?Why do feminists 'inspire" women to have a successful career but not to be wifes or mothers as well?Why wanting to be a mother or a wife is "sexist" according to them?Arent women allowed to do both?Work and have a successful personal life as well? Feminism is wrong in so many levels.
Interesting. I like the fact she was able to pass her responsibilities, not work any overtime, be disrespectful and do substandard work and she had no fear whatsoever about losing her job.
Men overwhelmingly outnumber women in all but one of them: 1. Petroleum Engineering: 87% male 2. Pharmacy Pharmaceutical Sciences and Administration: 48% male 3. Mathematics and Computer Science: 67% male 4. Aerospace Engineering: 88% male 5. Chemical Engineering: 72% male 6. Electrical Engineering: 89% male 7. Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering: 97% male 8. Mechanical Engineering: 90% male 9. Metallurgical Engineering: 83% male 10. Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% male where women prevail in nine out of ten: 1. Counseling Psychology: 74% female 2. Early Childhood Education: 97% female 3. Theology and Religious Vocations: 34% female 4. Human Services and Community Organization: 81% female 5. Social Work: 88% female 6. Drama and Theater Arts: 60% female 7. Studio Arts: 66% female 8. Communication Disorders Sciences and Services: 94% female 9. Visual and Performing Arts: 77% female 10. Health and Medical Preparatory Programs: 55% female www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html
It doesn't matter that women dominate some fields and men dominate others. All that matters is that women aren't dominating the areas that feminists want them to. Feminist can't stand not getting everything they want.
***** The statistics you have looked at most likely does not calculate money/amount of time worked for you? Didn't you know that men work more on average? (Because of reasons, for example child birth).
ohhzing slime lmao what? You get paid to work the hours they assign you. Anyways gender wage gap doesn’t exist www.washingtonexaminer.com/harvard-prof-takes-down-gender-wage-gap-myth
@ohhzing slime When you just do 78% Work you don't do your work at all. When you quit in the middel of your work you didn't do your work so you did 0% You can either do your job, or not. There isn't a middel
@ohhzing slime Sure but she obviosuly didn't do 78%. She did maybe 20%. If you quit every single job during the middle, the job is unfished and thus not done.
If most of the companies were owned by women and paid men less would you say the same thing on the top of that if men were even supposed to do all the household work for which the don't even get paid and women would be supposed to only do the office work don't do any household work and work less and still get paid more, and men have to take leave to look after children and home and women don't need to take leave for that so they get paid more and men less for working more than too would you say the same thing
martinshoosterman If she found out about her boss paying her less than her male co-worker for the same work then she should just keep quiet about it and continue working normally right? She shouldn't get all angry and confrontational just because she's getting paid 78 cents to a dollar! Why would anyone in their right mind want to stay in a job that violates the law and pays you less for the work you do anyway? Frankly if she found that out, she should expose their wrongdoings and take them to court for it. How else will problems like these be solved?
ChiChister Qian you can pay your employs as much or as little as you want. she could only sue them if she had definitive evidence that she was being paid less BECAUSE she is female. and that is almost impossible to get. anyways I hope you do know that the wage gap is not accually 78 cents per dollar in america. that is just the gross ratio of what the average woman makes per year compared to the average man, without taking into account what job, how many hours, or anything else. but she could go to her boss and ask her why she is being paid less.
martinshoosterman In the company I work at, we are told not to talk about our pay cause it was decided on personal agreements. So any 5 people doing the same job could have 5 different payments based on their starting agreement, their time at the company, their efficiency, personal relations (yeah that's a thing) etc. Gender is NEVER in that calculation. Maybe she should get a new job?
ChiChister Qian actually, according to the equal pay act, if she REALLY was getting paid less by discrimination (gender, race, religion, etc,) then she could sue the company and get a shit ton richer, instead of acting like a baby in this video, lmao. the thing is, with other factors setting in, she isn't really getting paid less due to discrimination, so her lawsuit would flop and she would get fired, lol
Frozen AYCE it is impossible unless she literally gets a recording of her boss saying im paying you less because you are a girl, to prove that she is being paid less because of discrimination. her lawyers would try and get her compensation through settlement by threatening to bring the suit to the press, giving the company bas rep. to which the company will either settle, or more likely hire a couple girls and promote some girl who is working there. to show the media that she was just a terrible worker, then publicly fire her resulting in her not only losing the law suit, but never being able to find another job. simply thats what happens when you get greedy.
the wage gap isnt real. the different choices that men and women make was the reason why the wage gap “exists”. Men choose higher-paying jobs and women choose lower-paying jobs, SO ITS WOMENS FAULT. both men and women had the choice to go to any job but they chose the job that THEY WANTED. just so happens that men like higher-paying jobs so yeah.
It's true that women earn (roughly) 17% less than man overall, per year, in the US. Here's the shocker: if you account educational background, specific field of study, field that you work in, and your position at your job, the wage gap goes down to 1-2%. Of course, that's still more than there should be - but then you have to account for the studies that show that women tend to undersell themselves on resumes, and tend to ask for a lower starting salary, as well as negotiate lower raises. If you don't believe me, I don't blame you. It's an unpopular "opinion". The myth is *widely* believed. But you can take a look at the studies themselves, and verify what I'm saying here. Or, at the very least, before you simply believe what is said in this video, at least just take a glance at the actual statistics so you know how this number came to be.
and unfortunately, they couldn't include this data in the video, as it would debunk what they are trying to lie about. Hopefully we can get you enough thumbs up to make it to the front page.
We try to tell these people that but they remain insistent that there is inequality, where there simply isn't. Unfortunately, some feminists would rather believe the 78% statistic because, "Women earn 98-99 cents to a man's dollar!" just isn't as provocative.
upgrader99 1-2% is still a wage gap (it doesn't seem to be much an hour but if you add up in years...) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PsB1e-1BB4Y.html
***** that 1-2% discrepancy can go either way. I know for certain in the UK, Women often get paid slightly more than men, and a fair margin more if they are single mothers.
Gregory House M.D. If that is true (what is your source?), I would consider it unfair. If the difference is based on factors like gender, sexual orientation or ethnicity, which have nothing to do with your ability to do your work, the gap should not exist. If this is true and the difference is based solely on gender, something should be done to fix it, don't you agree?
but people still dot it all the time, theres no way for a woman to know without specifically asking a male coworker how much they are paid, which is not appropriate to ask
AoSRecon contrary to popular belief, name-calling does not prove your argument any better than having a polite discussion. The obviuos reason why they wouldnt hire all women is because the reason they pay women less is they believe women dont work as hard, and assume all women are going to take maternity leave and take time offf to spend with family. Companies often assume women are not as hardworking or talented in their profession.
Frejito the Emissary of Joy I literally dont even know what the patriarchy is. anyway, the wage gap does take into account women working different jobs and from what I have heard men and women who work the same job are paid differently because the employers expect women to take time off work to care for children and dont try as hard to get raises. even if a man and a woman work the same exact job with the same experience, the woman could earn less because she is expected to work less. as for the "why not hire more women" argument, I honestly think that is the stupidest argument I have ever heard. If companies though women weren't as good as men why would they hire wore women?
***** even teal deer admits that women get paid less because they are more likely to take time off, even if they dont. I believe everything he says, so what you think doesnt really matter
www.washingtonexaminer.com/harvard-prof.-takes-down-gender-wage-gap-myth/article/2580405 scholar.harvard.edu/files/goldin/files/goldin_aeapress_2014_1.pdf Wage Gap, I think not
Oh my GAAAAAAAHHHWWWD I'm sick of this😡 If businesses really paid women less, wouldn't businesses only hire women because it would cost less? If there is a gender wage gap, it isn't anywhere near 22%
Brilea Rose On the contrary, businesses want to hire unqualified women more than qualified men sometimes because it makes their business look better, not because of the skills. I'm sure both cases happen though, and both are wrong
The wage gap isn't actually what you think it is. The data was just the mean taken from the incomes of a group of women, compared to the incomes of the means of men. According to a study, women would most likely go to jobs like teaching, nurturing, etc, while men are most likely to go to science, math, etc. If you want them even, then we should flip social expectations. Where men would stay home to nurture children while women would be in full time jobs.
Travis Huffman it's because the 78% thing is bullshit. The statistic it is based off of states that ON AVERAGE women get payed 78% of what men get payed. It is based on an average, it does not mean that women get payed 78% of what a man gets payed at the same job. This is a common misconception that Buzzfeed is blindly spreading.
Right because now she's doing 61% of the work. Instead she should have worked 128% of the work to be paid what she earns and be paid the same as a man. I don't think feminists can understand math.
QUIZ!!! You can pay female employees 22% less for the same amount and quality of work but you Hire men anyways. Is it because: A. You are insane and can't see the Benefits of hiring cheaper labor? B. You really hate hate hate those horrible girl-things? C. The Wage gap is a myth, that is a misrepresentation of total earnings and doesn't factor overtime, unpopular hours, sick leave, maternity leave, experience, specialization in field, work ethic, distance travelled or pushing for promotions?
Katelyn Pringle You honestly think they'd hire men to stuff a 'I'm not a bigot' quota? Honestly? Or how do you draw the line between blatant sexism and Fiscal Conservatism? wouldn't there be a correct man/woman ration if women are 22% cheaper than men? That'd mean almost every business would be pulling this scam to get that percentage. 22% is literally millions of women being exploited. It's nonsense. And the Bureau of Labor statistics has proven it.
TerminalHamster I'm not saying the wage gap is that big, I'm just saying in a hypothetical universe where woman *are* cheaper to hire then men, that could be a conceivable reason why companies would keep hiring males.
+Eric B , that is because they are not all done by real people. The thumbs up on BuzzFeed videos are from a combination of using bots and having multiple accounts here on RU-vid.
As a man, you go to work. You're fine with that work. You have a female coworker. You both do the same job. You went through the extra work and risk of getting the job by negotiating for a higher paying salarie. You put in the extra work in your interview to earn more money. The woman didn't put that much effort in the interview to get higher pay. Welldone, you both got the job. However you go out of your way to work more hours. You put your life on hold for your career so you can earn more. Your female coworker decides not to put in as many extra hours, instead she is out living her life, having fun, watching movies, going to clubs, visiting family, seeing friends, and so on. You don't get to do that because you want to work extra hours to earn more money. The female worker decides to go on vacation, so leaves. You decide to stay at work to earn more and perhaps raise your pay due to your dedication to the job. A while after, there's a bug going around the office. You and the female coworker fall ill. The female coworker decides she best stay home due to being ill. You decide that you're going to fight through it and still come to work to earn money. Later on, the woman falls pregnant. After the child is born she goes on maternity leave. You're still working. Due to your dedication to your work, you get a raise. You worked hard, took less time off work than your female coworker, spent more time doing more hours than your coworker, and took the initiative to gain a higher starting salary. Now imagine that. Ok. Imagine the guy in the video went through that, took all that extra work to earn more. While the woman on this didn't and done what was explained here. Then play the video. Essentially what you see is a spoilt woman who was not willing to put the extra work in to the job to earn more where the male worker did and then feel offended by not getting the extra money the man got that she does not deserve yet feels entitled to, therefor does what she done on this video. What do you see now that I have pointed out these factors? Do you see a strong, empowered woman fighting against the wage gap or do you see a whiny, petty, self-entitled douchebag who isn't willing to put in the extra work her male coworker is yet feels entitled to the same amount of pay he recieves without having to do or sacrifice what the man had to in order to reach that pay?
What you've said is just absurd and male chauvinist, since you're giving they guy all the positive features and all the negative to the girl out of nothing. The video is exposing the most unfair case scenario, which is getting paid less for doing the same job, and that (still) happens to women in some places. Besides, you could say the exact same but putting that you're the woman and the "spoiled, blah blah blah" is the man, which not only makes no sense at all but would also be really bitter.
Cali C No, it's not chauvanist to make assumptions based on the likelihood of who would do what which is demonstrated through statistics. Men are more likely than women to do all of those things, hence why men earn more on average. It's not chauvanistic to explain why the male coworker would of earned more through statistics. "And that still happens to women in some places." - It happens to all sorts of people but it's not a general thing. This isn't exclusively a female issue, men, women, whites, blacks, straights, and gays can suffer from unfair pay, trying to single out women as if it only happens to them, as if it's more important when it happens to them, is sexist. Again, it is not what generally happens and when it does, it's against the law. Yes, you can say the same in reverse. Women in their 20s out-earn their male peers, which I am sure you were not aware of. I'm sure you won't have a problem with that, though.
No one says it's more important when it happens to women, only that it affects women negatively, that is why that specific way of unfair pay is called gender gap, don't mix stuff in order to debate an idea. Besides, gender gap takes into account the number of hours, so that "men work more hours thing" is not a matter of discussion here (and even that can be argued). What I found chauvinistic is that you just created that hypothetical scenario where the girl's a total asshole and the guy some sort of saint out of nowhere when the video had nothing to do with that. And no, I was not aware of that 20s out-earn, but if that's a result of gender gap of course it is unfair. And you know what, assuming that I would support unfair pay to men THAT is sexist. Sorry you are so bitter...
Cali C No, you're not understanding what I'm saying. Everyone can be unfairly paid negatively, it happens to people of any group. I'm saying it generally does not happen. And no, most studies do not factor in all the factors when it comes to the wage gap, like maternity leave, sick days, and how men negotiate for higher salaries far more. So you found it chauvanistic for me to involve a hypothetical scenario where the girl's a total asshole in a hypotherical scenario where her male boss is a totall asshole? So people are allowed to make hypotherical scenarios paining men ass assholes but not women? Fire with fire. If you can't deal with the heat then don't play with fire. Sorry that you got dumped at prom and that's why you hate men.
superb point, if women were paid lesser, every greedy businessman in the world would hire only women...so.................why are there men working at all??
He was making a point that that is actually not what happens and that if it were, then most companies would primarily hire women to do the work. But they don't because generally most companies do not discriminate women like this.
And men they get paid more by not even worrying that they will not paid full for the work they do but women they do they even get paid half of what she does
Hello It's Jello but they realised it wasn't true after hearing that it is And it's not but arguing with feminists never works because they deny facts.
Maybe he's been working while she was bitching and behaving in passive-aggressive way with people who have nothing to do with her salary (i.e. her coworkers, they have nothing to do with the amount of money employer gives her)
Frozen AYCE The wage gap is the result of a culmination of all median earnings from men and women in all industries combined. This video is suggesting that a man and a woman holding the same position in the same company earn drastically different wages, which is a myth. The one who doesn't know what he's talking about is you, so I suggest that you take your own advice.
Scramblieggs i know. i've been fighting the wage gap myth for a while. i just commented pretending like i believe in the wage gap cuz thats the only comment that gets replies on here, lol.
Scramblieggs Uh...not quite. I personally know two women who work the exact same jobs as male co-workers and make less (one was in construction, the other IT). Same hours, same qualifications, everything. Some women DO get paid less for the exact same job as men in some industries and at some companies.
"The wage gap is simply the average earning of men and women working full time it does not count for different job position hours worked or different jobs it has nothing to do with the same job, it has nothing to do with discrimination"- 👟 👸🏻
Omg it's already statistically PROVEN that women make only 78% of what men make. So in simpler terms, if a male office worker made a dollar every hour, a female office worker would only make 78 cents every hour. I don't understand what's so hard to comprehend. I mean, it really is simple math and reasoning. The wage gap isn't just a couple cents and it isn't just a small issue. If it was as irrelevant as some ignorant fools here believe it to be, I'm pretty sure that women wouldn't be "complaining" about it. "Oh, men work better", "Oh, men are smarter", "We men do all the hard work", "Men are the superior species". Bullshit. Solving this issue isn't exactly rocket science.
These data doesn't take into account position in the company or how long they been in the company or the hours they work. Men do get paid more for the same job, they get paid more because they have jobs that pays more money or because the work more hours. You can ask why aren't there more women getting promotions but no, man do not get paid more for the same job.
dumplings1997 Judging by your post I'm assuming that you have extremely little work experience and have never needed to physically exhaust your body regularly to keep a roof over your head. You need a MAN to do that for you. When I worked at one particular plywood mill the women were always promoted to junior management positions quickly so they don't have to pull chain or get covered in glue on lay-up because they just couldn't handle it day in/day out indefinitely. I can tell you that in blue collar jobs women are always given preferential treatment and are paid identically (union) or paid more due to qick advancement from physically demanding lower positions. We also share health care costs while women use the benefits most.
TheNewsFlashTV nah there is. But not of sexual discrimination against women. It’s around 4-7% and it’s because of smaller but important variables. Every small but important and there’s a lot of variables to factor. Not saying I’m siding that there is a wage gap. I’m siding that there is a wage gap because of small variables that has nothing to do with sexism.
+Anna Kamilla Hylnsdottir +Jessii Vee Fan www.washingtonexaminer.com/harvard-prof.-takes-down-gender-wage-gap-myth/article/2580405 scholar.harvard.edu/files/goldin/files/goldin_aeapress_2014_1.pdf
The wage gap is a myth it doesn't take into account the hours worked, occupation, education, and level of experience. A recent study done by the AAU said that the wage gap isn't 75 cents to the dollar, and more like a 4.8 to 6% gap. That is why we need to abandon this myth that has been created by feminists who are vindictive and spiteful toward men. Woman are now 1/3 more likely to land the same job than a man now due to the fact that workplaces want more "diverse" workplaces. In all honesty, we all know that they are doing that just because they do not want to be called sexists
SongJiangShiJin guideline: "A general rule, principle, or piece of advice." yeah it's just a guideline, you know, the type of guideline you have to follow or you get sued 'til you're broke and your company sinks under.
"In a world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell Its amazing how many people lap this stuff up.... it really saddens me how many people believe this.
TruthDevours I didn't really comment on anything about any of the facts in the video about the wage gape, I said I love it because of the representation of inequality and it was entertaining. I know that when people talk about the wage gap between men and women, there are a few misconceptions because not much of the research takes into account things like amount of men and women in certain careers, positions they hold in the workplace, how long they've been working in that place/position, how much they're taxed, etc. Thanks for the articles though, they were interesting to read.
TruthDevours Any generalisation of anything, whether it's the workplace or research, is misleading. The only way it wouldn't be misleading is if these things were approached in a lot more detail. I see this video more as entertainment.
TruthDevours Very true, people who work in the media industry do tend to emphasise one bad piece of information more than the better information because all they want people to see is one particular thing from their point of view.
grigorijoe Actually you're hurting your own case by not giving any valid evidence and by insulting someone on the internet in the first place because you're too much of a damn coward to actually say any of this to someone's face. You seem to be even more of an idiot with the limited vocabulary you seem to have.
The Liberation Republic Exactly. Economics are hard. Seattle's $15 minimum wage is *GASP* resulting in businesses closing and thereby paying their employees $0 per hour because they have no hours to give. Great job, Seattle. You're a class act.
(on-call or emergency coverage) It didn't mention the fact that Allison isn't on-call, out of hours, as she wants to be home with her kids in the evening and as a single-mother cant leave them alone in the evenings. They work the same job, not the same parts of it. (anti-social shift-work) She doesn't take her turn working the night shift because she wants a social life. Although she does the same job she doesn't take the long haul assignments that sometimes require Mark to be away from home for months at a time. (experience) She took 2 years off work a year ago to have children and therefore only has half the post-training experience that Mark does. (overtime and holiday) Mark's paycheck included 25 hours overtime that he worked on a crunch project at short notice, the week before. Allison couldn't work overtime because she had to pick up the kids. Mark usually doesn't take all his vacation/sick time and gets paid for days he doesn't take. (social benefits already compensating women) Although Allison is constantly complaining, she is actually collecting twice as much as Mark earns in alimony payments from the father of her two children, from whom she was divorced a year ago. She also collects state child support payments and gets a child allowance tax break from the government. (dangerous/dirty parts of jobs) Both Mark and Allison are explosives consultants. Allison calculates all chemicals and mixtures and the Mark has to take them into the field to mix and operate them. If anyone is going to be blown up, it will be Mark. He is pretty pissed off, that he doesn't get more extra money for this risk. he is also upset that Allison seems to be more worried about how much she earns rather than whether he gets blown up or not. The chemicals that they work with are also toxic and may cause cancer, but Allison never gets within 50 miles of them. (additional/niche qualifications) Mark has an additional bomb-disposal qualification that he took at night-school. He receives extra payments because he can respond in the event of an emergency, and he fills a compliance need for the company. (negotiating) Mark took the option to forgo benefits and pension payments in return for a higher salary. He knows it is a risk, but he feels that with Allison mixing the explosives in her militant state, he isn't going to last long enough to collect a pension, and the company will have to cover his medical bill anyway or risk a huge lawsuit. He went in and aggressively negotiated this arrangement with his boss. (employment risk) Mark took the dangerous job knowing that it might be replaced with robotics soon, but he figures although he might get laid-off the extra money is worth it. All these categories in the brackets are generally (not individually) statistically in favor of men and why they get paid more. The 78C figure does not account for any of them and "assumes" that they are equal between men and women, which of course they are not.
+Mi Ga I agree with most of that, just not "libtard" come on man, you're better than that. And as if the libertarian liberals want to be compared to the totalitarian liberals.
It’s not a wage gap, it’s a proven fact that men work more overtime than women so they get paid for overtime. Certain instances have happened where pay was unfair, but that doesn’t mean that’s how every company is. Do there people know about the equal pay act of 1963? Or is that just me?
im looking through the comments and im wondering if anyone is piecing together the fact that they emphasized the women who isnt getting paid as much not doing the same amount of work.
