Revenge porn only became illegal in Ohio, March, 2019. Many other states have yet to do so. Why aren't there immediate federal laws to prevent such serious harassment?
The laws change much more slowly than technology. But they have shut down the main revenge porn site for extortion (because they would take a picture off the site for five thousand dollars) and for posting pictures of underaged girls. They just didn't ask the age of the person being revenge posted.
When I had a crazy stalker (who had been previously convicted of attempted double homicide), the first cop told me to "stop doing stuff on the internet." It wasn't until I got a female cop that I was taken seriously. She even had to go back and force the first one to fill out the proper paperwork.
Last semester I chose to do my final project concerning revenge porn and the DMCA, and this information is virtually all the same. Nothing has changed in any dramatic way in the four years between this video and now. It's horrifying.
At least the public consensus about the "tHen DoNt TaKe NaKeD pIcTuReS" response seems to have shifted. Haven't seen that smoothbrain response for a while now.
I don't know what's more depressing: that women have to deal with this stuff because of some vindictive loners, or that people thought that video games were a sufficient reason to send death threats over.
Random Cat No offense, but do you honestly think that some gamers are not capable of sending online threats? Have you ever played CoD online... ever? I've heard grown-ass adults telling little kids how they will murder their families.
***** yeah, of course. It had nothing to do ethics in gaming journalism. Nothing to do with trying to stop cronyism, corruption and con-artists. Nothing to to with trying to insure a fair discourse. Nothing to do with trying to insure these said victims of harassment did not become the gate keepers of culture. To act as the self appointed witch hunters of a new McCarthyism. Quelling free speech and creativity in gaming according to desperate radical ideologies. No, it was about a bunch of criminal trolls who hated these women. None of these women had people show up, or stalk them. You know that right? Yeah, death threats are criminal. But they didn't get knives sent to them in the mail. They get the threats everyone else whose popular gets online. Anita and Brianna made it an issue because it sold their wares. Anita's a con artist, Brianna's an opportunist. They are success storys because of the Streisand effect. They owe their success to the gamer-gate movement. They are the demon GG unwittingly created.
@@daniellemullen5035 Remember kids; if some jerk is harassing you, or your parents are harassing you, pull up your pants and punch them in the fucking eye.
I was Doxed at the age of 16 , the men spread my photos and info. I wanted to end everything when the cops came over and said "Just get off the internet." I suffer still to this day. 11years later.
Thank you. I don't post things ever, but I appreciate this and wanted to acknowledge it. I was hacked and stalked for about 2 years. I ended up deleting all my internet presence and leaving the country for a few years to get away from them as it was escalating (and they found out about that too). They knew a lot and even called my friends to tell them to warn me etc. Parents and police thought it was a joke. The police said the percentage of people who act on threats they make online is so low and that it was likely someone I knew who had access to my computer who was doing it, not someone actually online. That's it! I still worry a bit and never post (that was 8 years ago- 10 since it began). To hear that part about making the mistaking of having a thought in her mind and vocalizing it is so true and was good to hear being acknowledged. Thank you John Oliver/HBO and everyone else who was part of putting this together.
It’s so true! As soon as I heard that I thought “thank you for acknowledging” because people just don’t seem to get this. I’m really sorry to hear about what happened to you. Seeing how these women were treated and reading your story actually made me feel both ill and angry at the same time. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, because threats themselves do not affect people life, only if they are executed they become a problem. Thanks police, it's reassuring to know you do something AFTER I or my family members have been molested or killed.
Not to say something negative about parents and/or police, but that is serious if they are stalking you and even contacting you via your friends. Harassing via messages is bad in itself, but tracking you and threatening you via your friends? That is seriously messed up. Had the police taken the stalking and threatening part more seriously, they can easily track down and punish the offender, and made you feel safe, rather than still carrying worry when attempting to access the internet.
This episode should have been titled "Revenge Porn". If they wanted to address online harrassment as a whole, it should have included others issues such as doxing and SWATing.
siriuslynow No the only point he had was about internet porn. He brought up harassment do, for some reason only about women, that happens to us all. But this really had nothing to it other than hay this happens. The real meat of the segment was about revenge porn though.
Tuter King He made a segment about the harassment of women on the internet and how the laws and law enforcement in the U.S. is woefully behind in addressing it. That is literally the point of the video. What do you mean "for some reason only about women"? That...was the subject...of the video.... The first part of the segment about death threats and cops not knowing how to respond to it was also very "meaty" I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Jonah Cruz All these videos I've seen about online harassment commonly omit the swatting issue. Why ? one could only guess, I'm sure it has nothing to with the fact that the overwhelming majority of swatted victims are young males
Glenna Smith It’s because of the “congratulations on your white penis” line probably and maybe that he talked about Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu (that complaint is dumb) I honestly didn’t like the white penis line either because he carried that attitude into the rest of the video even though there is this thing called swatting where people will get a swat team to raid your house and there are a ton of videos of it happening to white guys on live-streams and stories of it happening to white guys. I’ve also heard of a youtuber having his address leaked and a hit put out on him, threats made so a youtuber wouldn’t be allowed to go to a convention he was invited to, a youtuber’s sex tape was leaked. All white guys. So I understand the annoyance and anger some people have when John Oliver seems to spin this as an issue that doesn’t effect white guys. You could say that’s not what he meant by that “white penis” line and it was just a joke which is fair but the combination of that line and not addressing the points I brought up sends the message that it doesn’t/can’t effect them in any serious way. What will help this issue get better is more victims of online harassment feeling safe, comfortable and confident enough to speak out about it and share their troubling stories. John Oliver’s piece doesn’t do that for a large percentage of the US population and instead makes the situation worse. But don’t get me wrong the issues and stories he did address were important and should be talked about so I didn’t hate the video.
Thats because john oliver didnt do much research on the people he was presenting as victims Anita Sarkeesian is not just some "innocent woman" who has become an "innocent victim" of online harrasment she tried hard to deliberately tarnish the reputation of videogames for her own profit by making false sexism claims and manipulative videos about them where she spread straight up lies about the Gaming community as a whole without doing any research at all or backing up her claims she is no activst and doesnt give a flying fuck about videogames all she did was playing the professional victim and pull at your heartstrings to make a quick buck via donations and the stupid public fell for it Brianna Wu used fake accounts to "harass herself" in order to get attention That became public after she attempted to harras herself while still using her main account on steam
notbobby125 She stole over $400,000 of money from concerned feminists and tells lies DAILY to further her agenda. She is single-handedly setting Feminism back 60 years. So ya ... she is "literally Hitler."
I live in Massachusetts, one of the states without laws against revenge porn. Last month I emailed my state representative about my concerns regarding it. He responded that he thought we'd already enacted such laws, and that he was equally concerned. He's now planning on co-sponsoring an anti-revenge porn bill that his colleague will be proposing.
I thank you for doing that but also I wanted you to know that your name made me think of a carebear that was down to earth and had an actual job which allowed it to fit into our human society and that made me very happy. Thank you very much for that
Softy Revenge porn when you secretly or consentingly film someone you're having sex with, then later post the content without the partner(s) consent as a form of revenge for being dumped, cheated on, lied to, burn eggs, what ever else.
"If you DIDN'T WANT that to happen, you should not have taken pictures" is as good a sentiment as, "if you didnt WANT to get murdered, you should not have been born."
It's so infuriating dealings with men who just dismiss, dismiss, ignore women speaking up. Thank you John for spreading this message, women need male allies to help end this hell. Sometimes I get so overwhelmed it gives me an anxiety attack. And this is America jfc
@@EndlessSummer888 Did you (and the five people that liked your comment) just not watch the second half of the video? I invite you to re-watch this and make your logic make sense.
"You should see them, shirtless, sweaty, and in need of relief after a long day of kayaking, clear river water glistening on their strong pecs." Dan: "Why are you telling me this?"
I SWEAR, JOHN OLIVER, I AM GOING TO FIND OUT WHERE YOU LIVE AND I'M GONNA SHOW UP ARMED WITH love and give you a big hug for being so awesome and funny. And come to think of it, it'd be rude to just show up at your home, so I will wait until such time as I happen to see you on the street and, in passing, I'll say, "Hey John, big fan" and I'll keep walking.
Tenebrae Um, did you even _read_ the comment? The _whole_ thing? He said he thinks John Oliver is awesome, and you call him a psycho for saying so. Clearly, *you're* the psycho. Either that or you have absolutely pathetic reading comprehension skills.
A month later and people are still focusing on the fact that Anita and Brianna were on a video about online harassment for what amounts to less than 30 seconds and completely ignoring the rest of the video. I would say I have lost my faith in humanity but I lost that years ago.
Justin Purdy It isn't just that. He made it seem like something only men do to women. When it isn't a gendered issue. Studies have found that men and women are harassed about equally and the harassers are about equal parts men and women.
Justin Purdy Because you pretty much know the angle of the rest of the video after that point and can't trust the objectivity of it anymore. It's not like their reaction was entirely wrong.
Justin Purdy He was defending her. I for example just knew the moment I saw her in that context where the video was going. And I was right. Might as well not have watched it.
This happened to me in 2015. Whackjob ex posted nude pictures of me on Facebook where I have 5000 business connections. He also started a new FB profile in my name with nude pics of me as my picture and had clients calling me for hours to tell me because they got friend requests. So, I was in Florida at the time, and I filed for a protective order at the courts that was so strong, that guy can’t even mention my name and he is arrested immediately. The best thing is that it is permanent, doesn’t expire and follows me across state lines. I was pulled over for having an expired tag and it’s attached to my drivers license because the officer asked me about it and made sure my male son was not this guy. I haven’t had an issue with him since. I’m sure he has moved on to someone else.
+Lauren Hicks The topic is good and it's great Oliver is sharing it but he is using some feminazis as examples. He could have used other girls since this problem is big. That's why this video is getting a lot of dislikes. Not because the topic is bad, it's just because of that detail. To be honest, it ruined the video for me too.
Basically the same reason jimmy kimmel had so many: anytime someone says something unsavory about games the more whiney sector or gamers, a small but vocal minority ,can't handle it so they dislike the video in droves
Ahhhhhh, the irony. I was criticizing an argument against John Oliver in a RU-vid comments section and I got a rape threat as a response when asking why my point was stupid 😊. I can't believe the horrible things people, and especially women, face when expressing an opinion. And I'm not talking about a silly rape threat I experienced while defending John Oliver, I'm talking about revenge porn and people getting doxed.
Women speaking up have constantly faced consequences in the past too. Not just physical beatings by their brothers, fathers or spouses, but public shaming in neighborhoods, the salem witch trials and even incarceration for 'hysteria', a catch all that any kind of powerful men could use to call women crazy and have them put in a psyche ward etc. Women have always had the shorter end of the stick. I always hate the arguments about physical fitness in geneology. As a man, I prefer to think it's because women first had the thought to maybe treat others with respect, and man proceeded to ignore her for 8000 years, because we are so unbelievably dense.
Makes me wonder.. are these sickos missing some brain cells? I don’t think brain cells are holding hands up there. We (women) are about to take our opportunity to turn this sh** around.
Anita Sarkesean makes her living on victimizing herself. Its a little disrespectful to the massive amount of women who have been genuinely harassed without any monetary incentive or popular exposure to have her follow a woman whos had her life destroyed by revenge porn. I say this as a feminist, as someone whos been on work trips to Africa to build girls schools, who understands that the empowerment of women and their equal treatment and protection under the law is vital to further progress within our ever more global society; Anita and other sensationalist acts of the same shade are bad for the movement. They take energy and frustration that HAS to act as a catalyst if we want to fix this sort of thing, and redirects into banal self righteous squabbling with schoolboys on reddit.
It bugs me that even a feminist would say something like this. Anita does not "self-victimize"... There is an active FBI investigation and she runs a non-profit... arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/feminist-frequency-to-pivot-toward-combating-gendered-online-harassment/ femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter
***** 100% there with you. I despise her Borg collective view of feminism. I was seriously disgusted with her Australian panel where she said women need to fore go their personal choices and individual gains in order to help feminism as a collective. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uOmIIAact4s.htmlm57s
It's shocking how often women get screwed over by nude pics compared to men. Also, newsflash for those who are denigrating the women in this video: whenever you find yourself defending the guy who is threatening rape and murder and publicly posting the woman's address, you seriously need to reevaluate your life.
+Andrew Wang I don't think people are defending rape and murder threats, I think people are pointing out this isnt a women's issue and that framing it that way is retarded and just propagates feminist nonsense.
Jasper Banks Given the overwhelming amount of evidence towards one gender over another, I think it's safe to call it a women's issue. There's probably a couple of guys out there that have been shamed for dick pics but the level and quantity of shame is not nearly the same as what women have to deal with.
+Andrew Wang Im sorry but you're just wrong. www.pewinternet.org/2014/10/22/online-harassment/pi_2014-10-22__online-harassment-03/ Could you please provide the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates this is a women's issue.
Jasper Banks Did you...did you actually read your source? The study itself points to the fact that women get sexually harassed almost twice as often as men do on the internet. Disseminating nude pictures without permission and threatening sexual violence is the very definition of sexual harassment.
Jasper Banks Men send nude photos (or more commonly dick pics) to their significant others all the time, but they rarely--if ever--get terrorized for it following a break-up. It's a free country and people should be able to do what they want without being publicly shamed for it. Your first paragraph would require a response several paragraphs long so I can't be bothered to address it. All I have to say is try to look at it from a woman's perspective for a bit, and look up what gamergate is. Even if we discount threatening sexual violence as somehow just violence and not sexual harassment in any way, then the study still shows women being sexually harassed almost twice as much as men on the internet. If that doesn't scream "gender issue" to you then nothing will.
Which is absolutely your right. To be fair though, your significant other requesting an intimate picture of yourself isn't harrasement and making that point isn't really appropriate to the subject matter.
I knew a girl (no longer with the guy, luckily) in school that was given the choice by her boyfriend. Either he'd masturbate to porn if she was out, ór he'd masturbate to her pictures. She chose the latter. A few months later, she sat crying at the table with us, because he'd broken up and refused to delete the pictures, saying they might come in handy. Awful.
No, it actually proves Anita and Wu are horrible and pathetic examples to be discussing,which is what everyone is saying if you actually read them I'm of the mindset that there are many forms of harrasment that must be stopped, such as revenge porn, but the things Anita and Wu actually suffer from are quite frankly laughable. They tell lies, contradict their statements, and pretend like they're really suffering.
To be fair, Anita is an asshole. She doesn't deserve bomb threats, but nonetheless people hate her for a damned good reason. I'd like to view it as a: "I agree with you BUT, fuck this bitch".
Sam Ottenbreit that was long. Okay so you just basically explained common knowledge to me, so thanks for stating the obvious. But the thing is Anita wasn't the only woman mentioned here was she? Yet so many people, including you Monseiur, are kinda preoccupied with her. Which is what I'm trying to say. She was in this video for what? 5 minutes? But instead of acknowledging the real problem "haters" just kinda decided to focus on her. You can explain the hows and whys but none of that will make it right. I know that you mentioned that too (in brackets, if I may add) but basically your comment is redundant.
Sandy Hardstone I was going to leave it alone but... Haters focused on her because the subject itself (Online Harassment) is common knowledge to them. Most people who hate Anita are feminists or people who feel slighted by the way she takes advantage of real problems that women have to make a profit. Anita is amongst the people who are subjected to it yes, but other people included in John Oliver's segment are for the most part innocents who suffered unjustly. Anita isn't quite an unjustly hated individual, of course people are going to think: "Why is she being being lumped in with these innocents?" It's the feeling of injustice that causes people to have a kneejerk reaction, they GET the point, but they don't believe that Anita IS as good of a point as others. aaannndd that'll be it for anything I have to add to this discussion.
Wafflerofl okay I do see your point and you do make sense. And I have no objection against those who feel "she shouldn't be here with the innocent women". I do however have a problem with those who are just here to bash Anita, most of the people doing that aren't even saying what you're saying. They're just hating on a woman (who, I understand, doesn't belong here) who was featured for perhaps a few minutes in this segment. But you do make a point.
Pokerface That's true, but in those instances, the people who you want to hand those to are the police. Not CNN and Huffington Post who are trying to make a quick buck. There is a line when harassment goes too far, and it did for some of these women. Steps should be taken in order to ensure that it can be mitigated. However, people who try to take advantage of those systems shouldn't be legitimized, and Anita Sarkeesian/Brianna Wu are the poster children for those kinds of people. John Oliver fucked up.
ZDProletariat Actually I believe he wasn't saying anything about GG and was saying that believing Anita and Wu are the quickest ways to trash your credibility.
This format for sharing important information was well thought out. It allows you or anyone who might not be able to maintain a train of thought or concentration, to be able to focus on a single topic and actually genuinely think about it whilst being entertained. Wonderful job on the writing and production of this show.
John Oliver-Presents a careful and moving piece on online harassment Anita Sarkeesian- Appears for literally 11 seconds Internet- *incoherent screaming*
Yep. And it's not that I think that people have to agree with her, I just don't think that rape and death threats are an appropriate response to something you don't agree with.
@@AirahsELL Its interesting that thousands of comments are basically identical to yours, using the word "disingenous" and some other expletive. I bet we can get one of those Daily Show montages of youtube demagogues reinforcing the buzzwords.
Amanda Todd was what brought this issue to my attention, and she was able to press charges because she was a minor, but wtf is this? I am so repulsed and disgusted I can't. There's a girl on tiktok who's ex leaked her nudes and people are LITERALLY SETTING IT AS THEIR PROFILE PIC JUST TO HARRASS HER. HORRIFYING
I'm not sure why people are talking about this as a "womens" problem. Men can be target by all these things too. It's possible that women are targeted more often, but this is a people problem, not a womens problem.
Cule Chick It depends of what circles in many cases men are targeted more, and even in those studies it never looked into whether or not the people doing the harassing actually knew the gender of the person they were harassing.
Cule Chick No. Women who use male avatars notice a very pronounced and immediate drop in rape and death threats when talking on subjects of basic fairness and equality. So yeah, the problem tends to have rather marked sexist overtones.
David Olsen Really because men who use female avatars notice a drop in all kinds of threats and violent comments as well, often citing people as more helpful and forgiving. People are also much faster to defend you with a female avatar since they assume you are female(or at least suspect it.)
Not a fan of Anita and Brianna but John mentioning them doesn't ruin his point at all. Can't believe people are being so fucking salty in the comment section. Online harassment is a serious issue that can affect us all - be it men or women.
No, it kind of ruins his argument. In the beginning, they didn't 're eovenany more harassment than anyone else. But instead of laying low, or simply realizing that it was a small but vocal group of trolls. They decided to let it define them, which fed the trolls and brought in more assholes. They are a Grade A example of how the victim can absolutely be responsible for making their situation worse.
SheWhale It does affect every one, if not on the internet, bullies on school will fill that gap. You cannot stop harassment much like bulling. so talking about it is just futile. It's a case of learning to live with people that are assholes. Which is kind of what you have to do even when you're not on the internet.
I'm a female and I've been fortunate enough to only be told to get my ass back in the kitchen. As I love my kitchen... that wasn't so bad in the scheme of things. But, right now, I'm part of a local chat group that has a person threatening other members. Going to their house. Describing their fence and security system. Snidely saying that they know what car the woman drives and what her husband drives and that 'we know when he's not home to protect you'... IT'S A FREAKING WOMAN DOING THE THREATS. She's not shy about her identity. She's flat-out saying that she's going to murder this woman, but she'll try to shield her children from the carnage when she does it. (Yes. The cops have been called) One of the worst cases of online bullying that I was ever witness to was a group of three teenage females trying to drive another girl into suicide. Online harassment is a major problem, but women are just as guilty and men are just as likely to be victims. Human beings SUCK. And, if given the opportunity, we'll suck even harder. Bullying isn't a female problem. It's a human problem. Now I'm going to relieve some of this stress by putting an egg in my baby-maker and punching it. (I'll bet money that there's a fetish video out there showing this exact same thing... *sigh*)
Pepper Conchobhar When someone online reveals your name, address, phone number, place of work, etc. that should no longer be viewed as online bullying. That is a serious and real threat. As for someone putting unwanted photos or videos of you online? Don't stand out on your sidewalk with a basket of stones handing them out to just anybody and then complain when your windows get smashed out.
Everyone crying foul in the comments should really stop and think if they're contributing to the problem or not... (Also that updated commercial at the end was perfect.)
***** Given that the video included 2 liars, I'd say no. They are not contributing to the problem. Especially since one of those 2 liars is that specific problem.
thewh00ster "These people that were on for 2 minutes to provide a point of reference RUINED the other 14 minutes that was not about them" - youtube comments
This show is a much needed life line. I cried angry tears hearing the same horrible things that have been said to me as well and to virtually every woman I know. But I laughed because it made me feel so much less alone in a world where the justice system seems to believe that a paint chips based diet makes its brain go smarty.
This is the one time John Oliver has lost me, too many of the "High Up" people will refuse to look beyond the immediate to see beyond Sarkeesian and how she has always made money off of her "Threats" BTW, I have a white penis, I get threats almost weekly, very real and ugly threats, but I don't advertise them - cry about them, nor take almost ANY of them seriously - only ONE I took seriously, never reported it online, went to RCMP, they are still investigating So... this is the only one I could not watch all the way through, the homework was NOT DONE WELL
***** Maybe I'm missing something in your reply, but since you also have received threats online, wouldn't you be in agreement with this segment and happy that it's spreading the word?
***** How do you make money off of rape threats? How do you even set a plan in motion to make money off of threats. Or are you saying the threats did start happening, and then she simply capitalizing on them. I have never understood the negativity Anita gets. She is an academic. Her writing stands or falls on its own validity. She might be wrong, or her argument may not hold up critically. Sure. But all the violence and venom she gets...because she said mean things about Mario ...
***** Then why do you watch this show? This show cries foul on a lot of things. I m sorry dude, but there's no reason to hate Anita. You're a whimp if you can't take someone's opinion, digest it, then argue your own points without flipping out. I disagree completely with Anita, but i'm not ignorant enough to think she's killing video games or changing them in a meaningful way. Not only that, the irony is that all of you crying about SJW are the ones giving the SJW their power and credibility. Without people reacting like a lynch mob, the SJW won't have anyone to fight. But, as it seems to always be the case with human conflict, both sides are too freakin' ignorant and blind to realize that they're just the snake biting its own tail. The SJW and the ANit-SJW people have way more in common than they want to recognize. Also, quit victim blaming. It's never okay to threaten someone unless they're like about to murder your baby or something. It's disgusting to threaten people and, for me, it's even more disgusting to lambast people for crying foul on those that threaten others. Get over it, bad shit happens, and it's not going to stop unless we all pull together to stop it. Just like you went to RCMP to deal with that threat shows that you don't always "handle shit yourself" so quit telling people, people you don't know on a personal level, when it's okay and not okay to handle shit on their own.
***** I never followed the Sarkeesian story, so I can't make any assertion about her claims or any claims against her. Indeed, it may have been a mistake to include her in the video; again, I don't know. But I am interested in some of the general assertions you've made here. You say that this is a society of wimps and that people who are harassed online should handle it themselves. How do you feel about stalkers and such in real life? Should people report them to the police, or handle it themselves? And since real-world stalkers in many cases do eventually turn violent, why should people receiving threats believe that online threats are usually harmless? You say that you were threatened because you fed some trolls online. I may misunderstand your description, but it seems like you were trying to rile people up and perhaps you expected them to threaten you. Most of Oliver's report addresses the experiences of people who had no interest in stirring up anger or controversy, who were just going about their daily lives, but for whom the internet became a place of harassment and threat. He speaks specifically about women whose lives have been all but ruined by people posting nude photos of them online without their permission. I ask for information about the threats you've received not to invalidate your experience but to ask whether it was comparable to the experiences addressed in the report.
amt253 The thing is, these people either fabricate these threats to gain whatever they want (money, fame, further their agenda) or just overreact to what happened. Look at Brianna Wu, where the police of their district already released a document where it stated that after investigating the reports, her "threat" reports are not real and just waste the police resources; because she still files reports again and again and again. They undermine real threat victims and as said before the waste real time and resources meant to help and investigate real threats.
Alex Havener He probably planned it. He'll just disregard all the comments as "further harrassment" (despite the fact that Anita is a known con-artist) and he'll spin it into his favor.
14Schofield She doesn't receive harrassment any more than the average RU-vid personality. However, when she gets a "lol kill urself" mail, she doesn't laugh it off like they do. Instead of wasting his time on a con-artist, Oliver should've reported Swatting, which is an actually dangerous crime.
Holdin McGroin I don't believe that just laughing off threats is the proper way to go about this. May be showing my age here, but back before we had the internet, sending threats to people through the mail or by telephone were typically followed up on by the police, and more often than not the people who sent those threats was punished for their actions. The internet is making that considerably more difficult, but it is certainly not something that we should just give up on as a society.
Unfortunately "fuck you" to a woman is taken as a rape threat now. Intentionally. By that I mean the women WILL bring it up first. And they ask why women don't use more obscenities. What's the need, they can play men like cheap guiters, and break them as easily. Is it a surprise that most of the women-haters out there (the real ones, not the one's like me who's committing the crime of talking openly) have had terrible past with women? Textbook psychology.
As a man who covers gaming online even I am hammered with death threats, stalking, and harassment daily. It isnt just a problem with women, it is just the nature of the internet. Give people the power to act wicked anomalously and they will. Last month someone told me, "You cant seem to fit any more ideas in your thick skull so I have no choice but to hold you down and use a power drill to get into your brains." No one likes these comments but if you have the guts to speak up and stand out online unfortunately you have to deal with venom from the snakes.
davehugstrees But he didn't say that. He just didn't bring it up, and I mean, even if it didn't disproportionately affect women more than men, it's not like this is a fucking race, you know? You don't lose the game because you're not the most attacked group.
DreamcastGuy Except studies have shown that women get it far more often, up to a couple orders of magnitude. The video even references one of them. It's fine to have thick skin, but at a point, no skin is thick enough to withstand that shit. That's why it's so important to point out that this crap is happening and should stop. People like you who say "well, that's just nature" are just enabling this sort of behavior. No wonder why people think only women have a problem with this; the men don't have the balls to stand up and say "stop!"
They tried to enact the intimate privacy protection act twice and both times it died in congress and it still needs to be enacted. Hopefully successfully if it gets reintroduced during the next congress. Poor Americans
You had a really good video had it not been focused solely on women, and if Anita and Wu were not in there. "YA DUN FUCKED IT UP!" Edit: Stop marking comments as spam. No matter how ridiculous EITHER side is being, I'll restore them. Also fuck you Google+. Carry on.
Ouroboros The video being focused mostly on women is fine. Harrasment happens to everybody, but women are still more often the target then not, _especially_ online. Of course, bringing Sarkeesian and Wu in was a clear fuck-up.
Ouroboros Men get harassed sure but the abuse women receive is extremely misogynistic in nature. They get harassed by thousands gamers more misogynistic than the most fundamentalist of Islamists.
Bruh I get told to kms on every conceivable platform including irl conversion and I'm just told to man up if I complain or I just have to laugh it off. Bruh
Goatmon No, everyone is stating how Anita is a liar and it has been proven that the death threats she received before public speeches were fabricated by herself.
***** Of course those are serious concerns. And I'd take them way more seriously if 99% of the time they get brought up was for something other than just derailing talks about women being harassed. When someone brings it up as an actual discussion, I talk about it. I've done it before, plenty. When people bring it up purely because "WHY ARENT YOU TALKING ABOUT MENS PROBLEMS HURF DURF" I just roll my eyes.
FeynmanProblem No they never said that they never even investigated them the police and the school both said they were not legitimate never made it past them
For fuck's sake, Anita has literally built her entire career around telling people to feel sorry for her. She's a bloody con artist, and the definition of a professional victim.
InoMercy Yes she actually would have been able to do that because she resorted to sending death threats to herself. Regardless of whether she received genuine death threats or not, she still would've totally been able to tell people to feel sorry for her fabricated threats. This episode would've been way stronger by just leaving Anita out of this. She's a terrible example for online bullying.
Count Jack Noire Yup, I just paused the video here. I guess by SJW standards I get 'triggered' by her, but no, I really just can't bear to hear her voice. She's so full of shit.
Don't put legitimate harassment like revenge porn causing someone to attempt suicide and Sarkeesian's Bull Shit in the same video. Those things are not similar in any way.
***** Everyone who gets famous online has their life threatened. She is not different. Just look at Jack Thompson. He is pretty much Sarkeesian, just from a decade ago. The same thing happened to him.
***** most of the threats on her are false/created by her and even if they were real. IT'S THE FUCKING INTERNET, NOBODY'S GONNA SHOOT YOU OVER THE INTERNET
***** Exactly, so when she makes a huge deal out of something that happens to everyone in her position it diminishes real victims like the woman who was pushed to suicide becasue of revenge porn.
I love that the whole point of this show is basically to spread real information to a larger group of people through humor. Love it. It could totally trick people into learning stuff too
Yeah. Even though I don't fully agree with her opinions, the threats she received are something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, let alone someone I mildly disagree with.
Ya, the real ones. Just keep in mind that she did fake a lot of the threats she claimed to have received, considers "you're a liar" to be harassment, and has also had comments closed on every platform she's a part of, meaning it's been years since she's actually received any new threats. Her twitter auto blocks certain words and she uses block lists to auto block anyone who follows people she doesn't like. That being said, the people who did actually send her threats, back when they still could, did something inexcusable.
There are women doing feminist talks right now who have literally had multiple attempts made at their life in 'less developed' countries. This doesn't stop them from doing feminist talks, so Anita's pathetic crying turned money grubbing over an email that was declared not a threat BEFORE she cancelled her speech and rode around in a cop car all day for the news people doesn't exactly make me empathize with her. I mean fuck, one lady who visited all the local high-schools around here only stopped doing public talks in her country after being chased out of said country by a group of 20 odd armed men for days, literally shooting at the truck she was hiding in as they crossed the border. It was like one of those WWII Jewish escape stories! But no, a shitty, incredibly suspect email is clearly good enough reason to hang up all our beliefs and hide for a day; even if the school in question and the local police offer to bolster the amount of security for the event. I really like John, but I really wish the researchers had used better examples of people receiving real threats online from actual, credible (read: not anonymous) groups that have been proven to go through with them, instead of just the most vocally upset ones. Well, the other ones were fine I guess as I don't know anything much about them, but the Anita one just pisses me off. Edit: spelling. It's too early for this.
The threats are juvenile at best. But nobody should be allowed to create false truths on such weak evidence base as she has, so some form of public reaction is to be expected. Policing online reactions is a poor way of going about the issue though, rather focus even more thoroughly on online etiquette. The nasty behavior online has actually rubbed off and is more and more visible in real life situations as well. The web blanket is fading and people are generally more obnoxious than just a decade ago.
Women are not weak people. They can handle themselves on the Internet. The Internet is safe and there will always be trolls. But women don't need you or anyone else patronizing them.
***** It's true that women don't need anyone patronising them, but making a blanket statement about the Internet's safety isn't exactly accurate. It's true that most people don't suffer any negative consequences using it, but a lot of, for lack of a better word, fucked up shit has happened on the Internet. It's not exactly completely innocent here.
Gandalf the Gay people supporting letting women have their private photos released isn't feminism. Making sure everyone is protected from online harassment is feminism.
No NO No, feminism seems very intent on stopping women from having anything bad being said about them, they don't seem to understand that once you say anything controversial then you will get shit said to you, look at people like the amazing atheist and thunderfoot, they say controversial shit and constantly get death threats, thunderfoot even got people making believable looking porn made of him and putting it on the internet, people exposing where he works to people that would potentially harm him with the intention of people harming him and impersonating him to say horribly offensive stuff. Now I ask you why has no one mentioned that, it's way more serious than the non-credible death threats that a majority of people with any sort of fame or recognition get frequently but I don't see any feminists talking about how horrible this all is
toast how are you going to compare some guys who have built a large presence on the internet to the average woman? I'm not saying there isn't a problem there but why should that drown out this issue? This isn't about a bad thing being said about people, it is about people having actual issues in their life caused by someone leaking their information.
I wish this video wasn't focused just on harassment women get. It seems that the worst crime you can commit online is being a straight white male who likes video games. And let's be fair, not taking naked photos is genuinely good advice. Telling people to take preventative measures is not a bad thing. --------------------------------------------------- Okay, I'm adding this here because people are too stupid to actually read what I said. I'm not blaming victims here. I'm just saying that telling someone not to take nude photos of themselves is good advice because they can't get leaked if they don't exist.
The worst crime you can commit online is being a straight white male who likes video games and behaves like an asshole about being a straight white male who likes video games.
+Roy Batty well if you talk to Anita who thinks "you can't be sexist against a man" just being a male is enough of a crime to warrant harassment and abuse. heck according to her being called a liar is harassment.
+The4thSnake Dear the 4thSnake clearly you do not understand that women get more harassment then men thus it is easier to talk about it as it is clearly a problem, now your crime is that you are a moron because how is that even relevant ? taking naked photos is good advice ?? sorry missing the problem here, the ex-boyfriends are beaching Human rights and your blaming the girl for taking them ??
Callum Reid Dear Callum, if you actually read what people say before responding in a condescending tone, you won't look like such an ignoramus. I never said that taking naked photos is good advice, nor am I blaming the girl. All I said was that "don't take naked photos of yourself to prevent revenge porn, etc." is good advice as a preventative measure in the same way that "lock your doors to prevent theft" is good advice as a preventative measure. In addition, even if you do have irrefutable proof that women get harassed more than men online, how is men getting harassed not also a problem? Please do yourself a favour and learn to think before you type to avoid wasting the time and brain cells of others as they try to make sense your inane ramblings.
oh please ^^ firstly thats like saying don't do drugs, people are not gonna follow it, what we need to focus on is changing this idea that the ex boyfriend has this idea that he has the right to post her nudes on the internet. Secondly the proof was in the video, clearly didn't pay attention -.- also its a problem for men but it's a smaller percentage thus when talking about online harassment it is easier to get information around female harassment than males. Another problem is that finding statics around male online harassment is hard enough as they wouldn't want people to know they are feeling vulnerable.
I knew it was going to be the same prank, the second time, and I had been yelling "I KNEW IT", in the middle of the night, at my phone, and at John Oliver, dancing like a weird parrot.
