Even Julius Cesar and Genghis lost a battle. It happens. I still think the greatest ambush was Hannibal's at Lake Trasimene. An entire Roman army annihilated in one day with a bigger death toll than Teutoburg Forest (which took 3 days to finish I believe)
A defeat, albeit likely exaggerated, as the channel acknowledges. That said, Subutai also lost the battle of Daohui Valley against the Jin, in which Subutai made a gutsy flanking movement, but after realising he'd miscalculated the speed of the Jin redeployment, had to retreat and fight a bloody rearguard engagement (much to Ogedei's chagrin).
Doctrine, especially Tactika by Maurice, calls to attack steppe nomad raiders after they looted your lands because their return path is predictable and they are heavily laden with booty.
In the past Kings and generals considered this battle aprocrifical. Not anymore thanks god it seems. The battle was called also the oxen battle because 6000 captured Mongols were ransomed for 6000 oxen later.
@@YangSunWooActually Mongols often defeated armies of bigger or similar size . For Bulgars , they didn’t attack mongols directly and mostly just ambushed small Mongol units .
@@odez5412bari burda boş yapmayın abi. O dönemdeki Türk Moğol ayrımı günümüzdeki gibi değil. Allahın Anadolusundasın buradaki boş kafanla taaaa moğolistandaki adamı yorumluyorsun.
@@mkrcy Düzenliyim o zaman. Ve Moğol ne alaka? Sen de olmayan İngilizcenle laf atma. Subutayın Tuva Türkü olduğunu ve iki Türkün birbiriyle savaşmasının üzücü olduğunu söyledim. Moğollarla alakası yok.
In Daohugu, Subutai was defeated due to Ogedei's strategic blunder, but the War Dog himself also made a tactical mistake by leading the large contingents through a narrow pass of Daoguhu, then got ambushed... again. Obviously, no one could dare to confront him in pitch battle, but to let him bogged down and kicked his *ss!
most of the military that went to Java under the Mongol Yuan dynasty was not even Mongols BUT CHINESE, only the general were Mongol and they cannot used their main army which was the horse Calvary because of the terrain. The Majapahit win the war because of ambushed and guerrilla tactic and the Mongol/Chinese army at that time already tired from fighting Singosari. Its not a big battle and not even worth mentioning. If the Mongol came to java with their main calvary Majapahit wont stand a chance.
@ochinchinwadaisuki7235 : Khalid bin al-Waleed would have annihilated Subutai just like he defeated every other enemy before him. No enemy of Allah could defeat the Unsheathed Sword of Allah.
just a quick reminder these volga bulgars has noting to do with nowadays bulgarians these were turkic steppe warriors while nowaday bulgarians are slavic
OK this event really had to be one of the times where history actually repeats itself (or a good chunk of it). Subutai and his army got "Teutoburged" with the exception that he himself survived unlike Varus, and then after sometime the Mongols avenged this defeat by humiliating the Bulgars in battle like Germanicus and his army against the Germanic tribes. This is literally the Asian version of the Roman-Germanic conflicts from 9-16 AD
The entire historical record of the Battle of Samara Bend consists of a short account by the Muslim historian Ibn al Athir, chronicling the events in the Mesopotamian city of Mosul some 1,800 km (1,100 mi) away from the event Despite this defeat, the Mongol Horde was not weakened as they continued their conquests of eastern Europe. However, the Mongol expedition's repeated attacks depleted the local Saxon tribes. After the Saxons fell, they went on to defeat the Kanglis afterward. With plenty of treasure in tow, the Mongols returned to their homeland in the steppes, but suffered many losses en route. Jebe Noyan a close friend of the Genghis Khan, and a capable general died of a fever on the Imil River in Tarbagatai on the journey home A few years later the Mongols under Batu Khan and General Subutai returned to Bulgaria. They made it part of the Mongol Empire in 1236, marking the end of six centuries of Volga Bulgaria
the tirpiz was cut up for scrap after all a lot of it was elevator quality by Krupp. you just cant let that much steel go to waste unless you bombard it with radioactivity.
Most times in modern day when great sports teams lose, it’s to a team that mirrors them or does a very similar thing. Only problem with Tartars is they didn’t finish them off, very costly mistake for eastern Europe and Russ 😅
Subutai also lost to Jalal al-Din Mingburnu a military genius, in the Battle of Irghiz River.Jalal al din repelled Subutai's attack from the centre, forcing him to retreat.
Although it was a retreat (not during battle which makes it inconclusive) it was noted by Jalal al-Din and his father that such was the ferocity of the mongols led by Jebe and Subutai that they believed that they cannot win against the mongols in the open field.
@@googane7755 no, Alaeddin Muhammet Khwarazmshah was just thinking about it.Jalal al-Din defeated Jebe on the right flank and also repulsed the joint attack of Jochi and Subutai. He was a military genius
Let's be honest, Khaled ibn al-Walid would beat Subutai in a battle if tue two were to engage in a fight. He won much more battles and was undefeated unlike Subutai. I am not saying that Subutai was a bad general, in fact I think he is one of my best to live and is one of my personal favourites. I am just saying that Khalid is a better general and would win if the two were to engage in a battle.
@Kanada Dry Right the mongol army is FAR different from the settled armies of the Sassanids and Byzantines commanded by mediocre generals and demoralised troops. The mongols had an array of excellent generals leading an army of entirely composed of professional horse archers and lancers that live on the saddle. All his advantages in fighting his contemporaries is completely nullified, it's nothing like Khalid has ever faced.
Khalids opponents were scattered Arab tribesmen then the Byzantines and Sassanids at their weakest after years of fighting each other. Subatai defeated the Jin and Song dynasties of China and the Khwarazmian caliphate, the wealthiest and most powerful states of the age. Hr then crushed every army Europe sent against him, he would have likely conquered the whole continent if it weren't for Ogedai's death. Spending his career undefeated is impressive, but Khalid's opponents were softer targets than what Subatai faced and much of his renown comes from Muslims that deify him for being the right hand of their prophet.
Volga Bulgaria may have been the winners that day, but Subutai took that personally and when he came back he personally took them out like the chad he was
Lol. Nope. Running away (and being a genocidal sore loser) ain't "chad". It's common decision, practically what 99% of general/commander did when they lost/losing a battle. A "chad" general should be able to extricate his men, reform/redeploy, and either retreating in good order, or fought on, snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. For example Russian marshal Suvorov when the French tried to corner him in the Alps, or Alexander the Great facing nomad ambushes in central Asia, or Chinese warlord Xiang Yu who brave an obvious ambush and give his life to rescue his beloved. Subutai was great commander, but his action/decision on that day was far from being a "chad".
@@BOZ_11 Lol. He was one of the best general in his generation, maybe in human history, but not exactly a "chad". He was gifted and highly successful commander, but also thieving genocidal psycho. Really no better than common bandit in this regard. He was no "chad", unless you think stealing, raping, and abandoning your men as "chad" characteristics.
@@ihl0700677525 In this case Subutai's expeditionary army was almost a good 2000km away from the borders of the Mongol empire while being weighed down by loot in an unknown terrain. Suvorov and Alexander's situations are far different. Also the only real chad was Cincinnatus, the rest are pussies who lacked the guts to let go of their power. Funny enough George Washington is in the chad category as well because of this reason.
@@ICCraider Nobody question Subutai's generalship, he was talented and highly successful commander, but he was not a "chad". He had mindset of common bandit, not great statesman like Kublai or Genghis Khan, or Alexander the Great.
@@ihl0700677525 I mean if you're raised a bandit, You're a bandit. If you're raised a statesman then you are one. Subutai had no say in his upbringing as he was a son of a blacksmith. So it's extremely hard to compare him to Royalty like Alexander, Kublai or Genghis(Genghis was the great grandson of Kabul khan). It's like comparing Alexander to Einstein and calling him a tyrant and not a great scientist lol.
Is this the same battle, the Volga Hungarian tribes told friar Julian of Hungary in 1235, that they defeated the first wave of Mongols? Julian was sent by the king of Hungary there to map out possible renewal of alliances with the local Hungarians. Nearly 400 years after Hungary was created in the west!
Hannibal Barca was eventually defeated by the Romans at Zama copying the formation (weak center, strong flanks) that Hannibal himself had used at Cannae ;)
