Open Bar #43 - John Wick Dominates, Kathleen Kennedy Ultimatum, Kurtzman Trek Renewed? 

Feels like stuff like that should be things that get you awards, like Tom Cruise.

Inspires them to bring their best.

Too bad all the movies are shit

Just a shame he cant act, should be good for an actor....

A man of focus, Commitment and sheer will

JOHN WICK VS THE WORLD.

@@chasehedges6775 Hot Wick

More creativity in this comment than phase4

@@michaellee8815 Phase Meh, really. The MCU ended after Infinity War

John Wick 6: The Wickering

Big Bang Theory is a show by fake nerds for people who don’t get nerds or nerd culture. How it got as popular as it did will never not mystify me.

Yeah, what I always got from that show was that it doesn't like its main characters very much. Like, there was never an effort at understanding, just "nerd shit funny - insert laugh track". In this respect, the subsequent Young Sheldon is a lot better because it actually shows empathy for its characters and deals with the things that come with having a gifted as hell kid in your family.

Big bang theory is nerd blackface.

I, a nerd, enjoyed the first 3 seasons, after that it becomes extremely stereotyped, so much that it's not even funny anymore

I had to put up with every friend I had forcing me to watch The Big Bang Theory, insisting that I would love it once experienced it. I never even got a small chuckle.

Favreau seems like a bit of a non-creative so what's the difference?

@@lukew6725 I disagree. The projects he’s directly involved in tend to be the best versions of their particular franchise.

I think everyone agrees that picard s3 is at best 6 out of 10, while STD, and STP 1&2 are 0 out of 10. STP:S3 is interesting as it's the first one that doesn't induce explosive diarrhea. But the relief of not having explosive diarrhea, is not the same as an excellent series. It's more like "oh thank god, it's not Dysentery" than something to actually love.

While I like LP, all he has done is stated the obvious, so proclaiming he has some mystical insight is pushing it rather too far. You see, and here is the dirty little secret, all these IP, ST, SW, Marvel, DC and the whole damn structure is creatively bankrupt, largely by catering for a whole generation of consumers, which I am apart of, that have never let go of their toys. Reform could be possible, but ironically the whole rotten edifice is kept up by the 'reformers' like The Fandom Menace and indeed LP and CD to a certain extent, as well as the Durutti Column of SJW's, who are marching off to the creative, social and ideological dead end. In the circular firing squad known as the 'Culture Wars', where everybody is a willing participant, everybody wants the control of the play pen. What is so glaringly needed is a new play pen, new IP's that is both radical in vision and grounded in the human experience. But while we fight over the old toys, very few toys of merit are being made which capture the imagination of the next generation. Instead we get the nostalgia porn of Stranger Things, and the anodyne 'Romero-lite' rip off known as The Last Of Us. Ill take Threads from 1984 over some wishy washy melodrama. What concerns me is that the creative types are now on RU-vid, ironically creating content critiquing the system. I'd rather have Rich Evans and Mike Stoklasa writing new shows, and I suspect they would have been had this been in the 60's and 70's, than reviewing them. Even more worrying is that some reviewers are barely genre literate themselves. A few weeks back there was a very nice, earnest reviewer on the stream who has barely seen any film, he seemed to think that West German New Cinema or The French New Wave of Horror use the same story telling techniques, and who's only cultural viewing experience is via box sets, thus arguing that he needed 26 episodes of 'character development' (re:padding) to make it worth while. Each to there own I guess, but it hardly lends credence to his review of Andor which leans into completely different tradition of genre, borrowing from 1984, the story We or non fiction books like Staziland and documentary making, as well as films like the Lives of Others and Children of Men, than traditional Star Wars fodder. Had he recognized the troupes of political dystopian fiction, he might have got a lot more from it, but since he didn't he was 'bored'. Of course the chap can't know if he had never been exposed, and I'd much prefer Andor to be set under its own IP, but I should be grateful for small mercies that at least Picard is semi cohesive storytelling and Andor was mildly interesting. (srry for the TLDR)

@@braynjohnson4302 The mando and boba fett are ass.

Love this. Their content is fantastic

Preach!

The true British diversity

Sounds like the start of a joke that you're "not allowed" to tell anymore

The quartet is finally assembled!

Open Bar - UK edition

@@Kub1na32 Ireland is not UK

Only reptiles though. If they fight a giant cgi mammal poorly then we riot!

My relationship with Star Wars consists of buying up older eu books that have been on my list (just got the original thrawn trilogy bane trilogy dark apprentice trilogy and plagueis) and watching mauler and friends review/mock modern starwars. Disney has killed my interest in marvel and Star Wars two of my main things for a long time. Now I’m getting into 40k

@@thesaltmerchant4564 Yeah don't do that. 40k is currently undergoing the Star Wars treatment.

@@butchcassidy9791 they can’t touch the omnibuses I already own there’s plenty that hasn’t been spoiled

Not really, as the woke Hollywood Execs and talentless, agenda-driven "creatives" still haven't to come to grips with the fact that those are the sorts of movies people want to see and that, thusly, actually make money as opposed to the ideological rubbish they produce to support THE MESSAGE. Delusion persists.

​@CanadianDoomer nerdrotic brings ESG score all the time, what are you talking about

Yup it is not just about the money. They all have plenty and I bet there is tax write offs they get when they take losses. These producers even the extremely wealthy ones don’t need more money; ‘virtue signaling’ is the modern currency in that world. What matters to them more then money is cocktail party approval and mass social media creds they get for making work garbage.

@CanadianDoomer nerdrotic downplays the woke elements? Sometimes that’s all he has to say about a movie is weather or not it’s woke lmao

It’s about the ESG money

It is true though.

@@RhysCallinan-ix5lg may elaborate?

The blade trilogy does come close. I think it may be the only super hero movie with well choreographed action. And the winter soldier has a few good action scenes.

@@mala6238 A large number of Marvel movies before Endgame did what you described. So we're a few shows. Let's not forget independent movies outside of Disney Marvel like Blade, Daredevil and even the two versions of Spiderman series. I'm not even including independent of both DC and Marvel worlds. Like Watchmen.

@@RhysCallinan-ix5lg yeah, and other action movies like Hongkong cinema did it and even way better before these movies. These are the inspiration. That is a garbage argument.

In most cases they would be slower but MUCH heavier. So you’re still “full power” as far as pushing the heavier bullet as fast as the cartridge is capable of.

Hmmm 3 was pretty iffy tbh

I'd agree and point to (among others) Cheers as being just another iteration of the sitcom from a formulaic standpoint. Along with Cheers there was Taxi, Night Court, Growing Pains, Cosby Show, Different Strokes, and other formulaic sitcoms with similar tones. Happy Days, Archie Bunker, Good Times, Sandford and Son, etc. in the 1970s. And so on back to the 1950s with I Love Lucy. The "mold" of the type (tonally) of show which was most popular wasn't really broken until the "anti-hero" shows in the late 90s, starting with "Profit" (Adrian Pasdar) which was ahead of its time, but soon followed by Sopranos, Dexter, Mad Men, The Wire, etc. These days sitcoms aren't particularly popular, for the most part, with the exception of animated ones like Rick and Morty, South Park, Simpsons, etc. The traditional formula of milquetoast comedy with audience laugh tracks à la "Friends" got stale.

Agree with you guys Friends was different and it’s own show, but hardly an outlier.

John Wick movies are all about the rule of cool - realism is always secondary.

Was just looking for this kind of answer, thanks for the info.

You ended that in the best way possible “so of course I got some so I could say I did it” love it man 👍

Just look up the old FPS russia video on dragons breath

That shotgun was a custom build, and will in fact fire dragon’s breathe. It is totally impractical though.

And this is where I disagree with Drinker. He says "I thought Hollywood is in the business of giving people what they want. Even if they have failed that for too long now." I don't think Hollywood caters to consumers anymore. I think Hollywood is now a corporation. Beholden to ESG and other political bs. So I'm with Dave Cullen when he says that we'll always get one John Wick or Maverick per year, but the studios are gonna use that profit to churn out 10 other woke trash products. Newspapers do not make money from news, ilI don't think Hollywood makes money from ticket sales anymore. Its just deals upon deals.

Well said 👍🏻

Just go out and make good movies, and forget about focusing on shoe horning their modern political messages and pandering.

In that respect I enjoy John wick cause they just feel like honest movies with no subversive elements other than excuses to just cram more action into the movie. But the writing is just shit and nonsensical a far drop from the first.

Movies are used to push "the message", and have been since the beginning. They a propaganda vehicles 1st, and entertainment 2nd.

I can't even imagine the broken bones, pierced organs, etc from just repeated pistol round strikes on those suits.

I would assume these high profile hit men are using more expensive ammunition as well, so those bullets are hitting hard

John Wick clearly just has adamantium bonded to his skeleton.

​@@fakecubed 💯 😂

The other thing about shotguns with a full power combat loads hits with such force that the impact of the round will probably kill you even if you're wearing body armor especially soft armor

Yeah, never understood why anything is label "proof". Like you said, a strong enough bullet renders that useless. Just like waterproof. Enough water will destroy that watch.

@@Dante_Infernape I’m afraid of sharks and I always laugh when inventors label something shark proof….. AH HA HA HA. That is a hard NOPE for me.

it came on in a good time when i was at a friends house or they were at mine and we would ger stoned and watch it along with other shows

Agreed. The time was just right. There was family shows and copy shows. But Friends was for teenagers. Just going to college. That's it. It wasn't as great or funny or groundbreaking as anyone says. And the second wind in its sails is because, "Look! Real sets! Look! No CGI! Look! Those costumes are awesome. And wow, I can't believe we wore our hair like that! Look at how nice the make up is, doesn't look like they're wearing any. Remember when you watched TV alone? Remember when you spoke on landline phones for hours and then realised you had no cash when the bills came?" That's the current appeal. I've watched few episodes. There's one or two gags that are funny and delivered well. But its just a time capsule now. Its milk and toast. Inoffensive. And innocent. No one pretends they were making a masterpiece and if you don't like it you're a fool. The fanbase did that on its own, happened organically.

I feel the same way about TNG

The story was never the point. It's always been about aesthetics, and the fact that Keanu Reeves is doing the stunts himself. It's a stunt film, not an action film, made by and for stunt people. I would compare it to a Jackie Chan movie. Everything else is just Rule of Cool and great cinematography. I don't get pissed about how unrealistic it is that Top Gun Maverick was using F/A-18s instead of stealth planes with standoff weapons, or complain about the inconsistency of using cruise missiles to destroy an airstrip but not destroy SAM sites a few miles away. That kind of thing is just a waste of energy. Who cares, it's fun and it's shot well, and they're using real planes for a lot of it.

I’m part of the younger generation and I definitely believe we need more good films with older, experienced protagonists.

@@chasehedges6775 Well, there's also the fact that actors under 30 today lack a certain rugged charm. Tom Holland and Zendaya and even JLaw are perfectly fine whenever they play teenage characters, but the second they get to play someone over 30 and they cannot fill that kind of role, sometimes with disastrous consequences like the Uncharted movie. Meanwhile, all these 20th century actors have that experienced look to them because they obviously are.

@@dragonknightleader1 That's what makes me worried for Dune Part Three, with Timothee Chalamet. And Zendaya too, come to think of it.

Fuck, here too?

The name is "Deus Ex Machina", what do you expect ?

@@HerohammerStudios I'm everywhere.

@@spacemonkeyentertainment6413 Smart.

Hayden, Ewan and Natalie from the PT still get work

Oscar Isaac and Domnhall Gleeson get regular work.

@@TheBardorp The other 2 survivors, along with Driver.

@@chasehedges6775 Hayden does not get work... natalie did get work, but her career has kinda expired

​@@chasehedges6775 not really relevant

Add baggage claim

Agree

And nerdrotic

Platoon is a film snob who doesn't understand basic fan films. If it doesn't have deep, meaningful thoughts, he doesn't consider it a good film.

Totally!

Oh and one other thing - IT'S NOT WOKE! Not even a little bit! I could hardly believe it after a decade or more of Hollywood sneering at the audience.

I liked it but think the runtime should have been cut in half. There were some awesome action scenes but honestly I think it was too much of a good thing. Another criticism I have is it looks like he’s finally going on the offensive again after 3 but quickly turns back into him on the run. Caine was probably my favorite character introduced to the series since the first movie.

@@BalrogUdun I do understand the criticism that it's a bit too long, but I sure left the theatre feeling I got my money's worth.

Frasier is God-tier television. Still has the best dick joke I've ever heard was when Niles and Frasier are arguing about Nile's art critic column. It was a bit like SP without any of the edge. Everyone got a shot taken at them now and then. Mainly metrolibs though.

I agree

For all Mauler's praise of Ironman wonder why he never points out that Ironman would turn himself into paste inside that armor with the maneuvers he pulls off. How he applies his critique is very selective while also managing to show a very limited understanding of physics.

"nitpicking" again? Really. How many times has that been? Guess you can't criticize something without it being called a nitpick.

@@RhysCallinan-ix5lg Well the Drinker is critical of aspects of John Wick 4, without splitting hairs.. or in other words 'nitpicking'. Like Mauler and Little Platoon..

Cynicism

Yeah those takes on Friends were WAY off the mark. 1. Frasier was set in a coffee shop half the time and that was before Friends. 2. As far as I know it was shot in front of a studio audience, as Mathew Perry saying he got anxious when his jokes didn't get the laughs he wanted from the audience means no laugh track (or at least not a fake one). 3. If none of them actually watched Friends start to end, frankly none of them are qualified to critique it. Just to be clear, I'm no Friends fanboy, seasons 1-5 are great, the rest are garbage. In my opinion of course..

I thought that was the case..

Would you be interested in one particular bridge?

It is though. They pull out new rules out of their ass, contradicting previous movies

@@surobyk that doesnt mean that it has no world or story.

​@@deadcell4837 Fine, it has a bad world and story. Better?

@@tobeornottobe5611 cool, thats your opinion. Better?

@@deadcell4837 Not an opinion if you care to pay enough attention to the scripts in these movies.

John Wick 9: Something Wicked this way comes 😂

I could barely tolerate 2, 3 was a joke I didn't watch all the way through...these are just stylized junk films. This is not adult entertainment.

@@denroy3 Well you Have The Marvels to look forward to and Avengers:Avernger War to keep you happy. Disney will always cater to you because obviously films that have been made for people who are sick of "The Message" aren't for you.

Timestamp?

I wonder what Mauler thinks of Action movies like Commando

2 and 3 weren't good

@@bbergin45 wrong

@@bbergin45 3 is the weakest, but still pretty good and worth watching for what is essentially a filler episode

A horror movie filled with cringy humor and jokes.

It certainly wasn't a comedy

@@emhu2594 Nope

Yeah, pretty stupid thing to say. He’s had a great acting career

Most people outside of those fandoms don't even know or him, or watch those shows to begin with. For the average joe moviegoer Mark Hamil did Luke and then his career died because he wasn't in big movies or a big tv drama after that.

@@bob1986 All most average moviegoers need to do is 1.5 seconds of google search to know it isn’t true:) but you’re right. To a laymen, his career died after star wars

That's a weird way of looking at it.

Amazing...good grief, are you 13? I'll withhold judgement, because you might be.

@@denroy3 what makes you presume that?

@@lees8359 easy, the drivel about how amazing this garbage is...IQ shrank just having it on in the background.

@@denroy3 If that were the case you would have stopped watching after the second chapter so what are u on about

@@denroy3 Some people just want to watch a fun action movie get your head out of your ass.

This never ending bandwagon of shittnes and hating is getting really tiresome and feeling like a forced shtick at this point

Even drinker enjoyed a lot of jw4 pointing out its flaws...

"You have transgressed mr Wick. Everyone under the high table. There are rules. Cod philosophy. Classical music" No one goes to those films for the plot, they go for the action and the styling.

@@incurableromantic4006 well... I liked it for the plot too

@@Hashbrown1682 I agree the world and the lore they've created are actually quite compelling given they're really just an excuse for the fight scenes. You just have to not think too carefully about how any of it works".

I found it strange that he said the added storyline from 2 and 3 didnt carry on into 4 having rewatched them all before watching the fourth film, they sure did and then just added new people which they have done with every other film.

Did it turn bullets into sparks as well?

I think we can fairly assume its some kind of super expensive brand new non existent tech. Everyone being bulletproof definitely lowers the stakes but presents a new challenge to overcome. I dont mind too much.

@@surobyk nahh it cought the bullets you could see the bulges when they took a closer look

@@bloodlinefilms exactly without having bulletproof suits the plot armor would be ridiculous

@@DogWick they definitely had slugs falling out of their jackets at the end when they took them off

My feeling about the MCU as well. 2008 was so long ago.

It was always part of the plan. 2016 just accelerated things.

@@harrydubois66192016 wasn’t nearly a bad year, tbh. Not a good year but but decent 2017….. Oh Boy, that was bad.

​@@chasehedges6775 2016 was the beginning of the end

​@@HerohammerStudios GB 2016 is heralded as the start, at least for the larger area. This was going in comics for many years. But comics aren't as popular as movies and shows, so it's understandable that GB would be a herald for cinema and the like.

Hurray for PBS, which provided my family with Black Adder, Faulty Towers, Are You Being Served, Yes Minister, and Keeping Up Appearances. And thank you United Kingdom for producing these wonderful comedies!!

One of the best films of 2014 and one of the best action franchises of the modern decade

​@@chasehedges6775 true

Love their content

I dunno, I bounced when they just wouldn't stop whining about John Wick 4 being unrealistic. I guess Mauler's schtick is just to nitpick everything to death, and it seems to be contagious.

@@SnapDragon128 same here. I was legit surprised that Drinker criticized it so much, no one watches John Wick for the plot, just my opinion

@@SnapDragon128 @Chucksenhowzen Oh, 100%. Those were the most insane John Wick takes I've ever heard in my life. I just mean in general. They legit just work well off each other. You know how in a podcast, how rare it is to find a group of three people and you like ALL OF THEM? Usually there's one weak link -- the one guy's wife who never shuts up, the one too-serious guy who never reads the room. I usually find that Mauler and Drinker have such a nice dynamic with each other, their guests invariably turn out to be the weak link. But Platoon feels like a nice third chair, is all I meant. If this show was a series of tryouts, I'd be like: "I think you guys have found your lineup."

@@charlescauldron oh yeah they do, I like them all well. I just was surprised with their take on JW4 Would definitely like to see someone like Gary, AZ, or the Movie Cynic on there to discuss it since they loved the movie

And similarly, this aesthetic is what makes the animations in the 2019 Modern Warfare game so appealing. The appeal comes from how skillfully the player’s character manipulates his gun. He performs tactical reloads to save magazines and the Call of Duty staple of a faster reload perk gives you a different animation where the player usually uses the bolt release rather than operate a charging handle. In the past the game would just speed up the normal animation. There’s also cool things like the player using the forward assist when picking up an AR platform rifle. Basically these are actions grounded in reality and the appeal is how skillfully the character does them.

It's garbage...it doesn't need criticism because it's not anything that deserves thought on that level. It's video game drivel dude. Nothing makes sense, nothing is supposed to make sense and requires zero IQ. Not hard to see that for the first time ever, the IQ in the US is declining.

Also Mauler is a MegaCynic

So he’s a male KK.

And I think it would have been successful because it is quite different (and far more carefully constructed) than things like Cobra or Commando.

@@kingleech16 without a dount like who really knows but I reckon it would of been a success back then

@@julian2624 Fair point, bad advertising, luck, or reviews could still have killed it ("Who wants to see the Bill & Ted guy play with guns, let's watch Mazes and Monsters!"), I just meant to say I don't think it is such a "clone" that it would automatically have gotten lost in the sauce.

lol

Same here

In my opinion yes

I didn't dislike them nor did I like them. Just a lot of eye candy action scenes.

…..Yet he dies at the end, showing that’s he’s ultimately just a mortal human being who can die just like any other.

​​​@@chasehedges6775 indeed, he dies when he allows it, when his mission is over and as a form of peace. I have also said that another thing that humanises him is that he actually gets a lot of help and even luck in these movies. Hes not just some do it all himself battle tank.

​@@chasehedges6775 But it makes sense he probably wasn't getting out alive anyway lol

@@deadcell4837 👍👍

@@tylerwagner1978 It does makes perfect sense.

Child of Wick: The Wicklet.

Surely the natural progression would be Jane Wick, the previously unknown daughter to mocks and belittles him while being far superior at everything.

@@samuel5591 And that’s why I’m worried about the Ana De Armas spin off Ballerina. It’s taking place in between JW3 and 4 and Keanu is set to cameo in it as Wick.

Nah I’d say this era’s Hard Boiled or Police Story.

Yeah Little Platoon is rather posh I dare say..... I bet he goes Fox Hunting on the weekends. I laughed at the point when he said he should keep quiet as he was surrounded by a bunch of Celts.