1:02:20 “I was a bad guy before I met you. You are the reason I’m worthy.” MCU mocked his depression, his loss and now they made him say that he’s never worthy on his own. It was all because of Jane. They just said that all of Thor’s heroism, sacrifice and protecting the universe against the galactic villains means nothing.
@@Metonymy1979 I mean, Thanos’ motivation in Infinity War wasn’t comic accurate at all but it suits the story and made him awesome. They had a choice to leave out the “comic accurate” but bad parts out of the movie. They just didn’t do it this time.
Amazes me that Thor Odins'son was raised to command & lead, he was taught battle mastery & fought wars before being awarded Mjölnir. He had trained his life to weild weapons of war. So, how come Jane was as proficient, no battle experience, no muscle memory, no training.. in reality she should've been waving that thing around like an amateur.. relying entirely on its brute force & power. As she'd no battle mastery, warcraft, or weapons mastery taught her through a lifetime of training. Wholly rediculos the entire premise.
You see that would require the writer to write a setup and who wants to write a setup when you can just have a payoff. Payoffs for everyone, the journey doesn’t matter it’s all about the destination
I thought The Hammer (can't spell it lmao) kinda "helped" her with the fighting, at least I'd hope so or my fantasies of finding The Hammer are dashed to bits
Well clearly women can do absolutely everything without training or knowledge or experience. We are just born knowing all. *eye roll* I am so over this bs they keep trying to sell us.
Jane could've looked frail, pale and sickly, and paralleled Christian Bale's god butcher character, but than gotten relief from the magic of the god's, opposite of how the god butcher was treated, and thus furthered his hatred.
Sad how people on the Internet like you have better and more compelling ideas for this film than the actual writers who get paid for this sort of thing. Shows how far the movie industry has fallen.
I've started as a big fan of the MCU and Star Wars and the more "content" Disney releases, the more numb I get... To the point, that today, I have no hope they're able to release anything remotely good and/or new anymore.
The more content Disney releases, the more numb I get. Same here. The MCU/Star Wars/Disney in general is becoming very underwhelming. It really is just content for the sake of content
Wasn't the whole point of Mjolnir was that it was like a King Arthur sword in the stone type thing where only those that are worthy, are capable of wielding me type of thing. That's why it was so impactful when Steve Rogers picked it up in Endgame right? So why does this chick suddenly get it because Thor said look after her? Lol.
Disney is always undermining their own properties without even noticing. It's like when they make Obi-Wan haplessly follow around a 10yo girl without realizing what a loser that makes him
Taika Waititi has one trick, and it's slapstick. He doesn't have the competence for anything else. Also, he's absolutely in love with himself, so of course he's going to inject his self-insert character into every scene he possibly can.
Agreed, I do like Jojo Rabbit and What We Do In The Shadows but his Marvel movies suck and Korg is ok in small doses but he had so much more screentime in L&T and it was really annoying.
Two tricks - he has a funny voice cause New Zealand accents be funny. Waititi is basically a man saying 'check out my choice chilly bin, bro' and then falling over.
@@strollic5162 Somebody needed to say it. Time has proven us right, in a sea of buffoons praising that filth you were one who could see beyond the truth.
@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 i work at a mall lol hella people showed up at 430 am for a marathon for thor and i was like imagine the eye rolling going on in there 😂
It's because of Hemsworth and Taika's 'reinventing' him every single movie. They literally say things like 'We wanted to do something different every time' 'We wanted to reinvent the character' 'Taika's mind is like that of a child'. All the warning signs were there.
Just to point out at 1:50:00. In Ragnarok Korg states that his revolution failed because only his MUM and her boyfriend (whom he hates) attended. Yeah Taika doesn'r even remember his own movies let alone trying to remember anything in other peoples' work
Wasnt the whole point of Thors journey to teach him that he is a god of thunder not god of hammers, and thus doesnt need Mjolnir and that his true power doesnt come from Mjolnir? So now they gonna go - nah, hammer can make you Thor.
And then he literally goes back to fucking Mjolnir lmao. Like, I get it. In the comics, stormbreaker is Beta Rey Bill's, and that's the end of it. But these retards never included Beta Rey Bill and instead went for Female Thor. Not only that, but they outright state that Stormbreaker (in the MCU) is the upgrade, 'the King's Weapon', so why would he just go back to Mjolnir and regress? I get that they screwed Thor out of being King but that doesn't mean he shouldn't use the King's Weapon that he forged over his old one that, in the movies at least, has been specifically confirmed to be worse than Stormbreaker.
This was the point of EVERY Thor movie. He just repeats the same story over and over and over … which is why they have to reset him or turn him into a different character every single film.
@@farharbor3178 His point was; that Thor's Thor-ness wasn't necessarily due to the hammer itself, but yet somehow Natalie Portperson becomes a Thor-clone when she has the hammer. She's an Earth Scientist and the hammer just makes her act like every Strong Female Asgardian. It was like they were subverting that dumb FemThor comic for a minute and then they just did a 180 the second that a director wanted to insert THE MESSAGE.
Is it only me that thought the scenes where Thor imbued the kids with power and leading them to fight plus the final scene where he leads that little girl holding Stormbreaker into another battle offputting? Because it kinda reminded me of the portrayals of child soldiers in documentaries and films like Blood Diamond or Beast of no nation. Where adults simply hands power in the hands of children and strips them of their vulnrability and innocence. It was surprising to me that Taika Waittiti thought these scenes were good because he directed a film like Jojo Rabbit; which tackled those kinds of issues. I feel that there's something wrong with some modern portrayal of children especially those that comes from Disney. But again it might be just me.
There is a big problem with the portrayal of women and children in our society. No Hollywood, not all women want to (or can) be a strong independant lesbian soldier.
It's Disney. Of course they want to make children look and feel more powerful. It's a groomer characteristic. The more they make children look and act like adults, the more they hope it looks "casual" when they get caught with their pants down with them.
I'm trying to imagine the reaction if instead of making Thor fat and making constant fat jokes about it - they made Black Widow get super fat and make a bunch of fat jokes at her expense
Or instead of Thor getting all his clothes "flicked" off by Zeus in Thor 4 Jane Foster gets all her clothes "flicked" off but they would never have the balls to do that. Everyone is supposed to be treated equally though.
My wife is a big Norse mythology fan. learned to read and write in runes and would take notes in them for kicks. The Thor movies were always her favorite Marvel flicks, regardless of any inconsistencies with Nordic traditions. Yes, even Dark world. Yet even she doesn't care enough about this newest movie to want to go see it.
That sounds like a really cool passion to have. The first two Thor movies had the slightest touch of Norse mythology about them, especially the first one. They totally dumped that element with Thor: Ragnarok.
@@ovidiudiumea4012 Yea there was actually a decent amount or lore in the first one. The second started swerve but still had some. Ragnarök has a Valkyrie, for some reason they chose to do the exact opposite from what they did with Thor. Valkyrie is a title, not a name. Thor is a name, not a title. -_- They had Hel (Hella) in there but they fakked up both her lineage and lore. Shes not Thors sister but Lokis daughter and the ruler of the death realm. She wasnt trapped there really, she even had the entrance to her realm protected by Garmr to keep others OUT. Surtr (Surtur) Is in there and while he IS supposed to be the one to destroy Asgard hes not supposed to fight Hel but Freyr and he is supposed to die. But I guess I can look passed that, at least his story is pretty much what its supposed to be I dont count Fenrir (Also Lokis offspring) in Ragnarök cuz thats a PATHETIC depiction. That was just some random dog. All in all, Ragnarök pretty much only kept the Names and the movie title. -_-
At this point , Thor is the MCU “Split” This fella has a different personality in every single film. He isn’t bipolar.. at this point he is a sociopath
It could have been interesting if Thor had given Jane part of his power to keep her alive but that weakened him and in order to save the day she had to give it back to him and he had to accept her death.
When Valkyrie pulled out that speaker I really thought they were foreshadowing a moment where Thor would say “Hey Gor, do you like Huey Lewis and the News?” before an epic fight set to Hip to be Square. Hugely disappointed
Sometime around 4 years ago, my now 18 year old son lamented. "I wish I was alive when you were young. You had movies back then, all we have is Marvel". That was after he saw the Breakfast Club.
You're right about the recent change to Marvel villains. They've gone from being "the Bad Guy that the Good Guy kills" to "Misunderstood or Wrong so the Good Guy can't kill them." Most of the recent villains have been brainwashed or flat-out tricked into being Bad Guys. But another theme is that your real family will hurt you or abandon you, and you will do better making your own family. It's a biggie in the Guardians movies, it's in Shang-Chi, WandaVision, Black Widow, even Captain Marvel. (Carol thought the Kree were her real family, and it didn't turn out well.) Disney has been harsh to parents for years, but now they're actively making family an F-word. "Go find people like you, who like you. We like you." It's creepy as hell.
The conspiratorial part of my brain wants this devaluing of family to be part of a plot. It's reminiscent of cult indoctrination, seeking to control people by convincing them everything else in their lives is evil, corrupt, and duplicitous.
How is Jane Foster more worthy than Tony Stark? I mean, Jane did researches but Tony saved the world so many times but he cannot pick up a Mjolnir and now according to She-Hulk, he’s a billionaire, narcissist and adult orphan. If the logic is that Thor loves her so he gave the people he loves the power to wield Mjolnir, then why is Hulk unable to wield Mjolnir? I thought that he is Thor’s best friend.
I think they were trying to hint that because Thor loved Jane and Mjolnir and Thor loved each other, the hammer sort of became besties with Jane through osmosis and so would act to protect her because of what she meant to Thor. This was a pretty dumb idea though and was also not fully explained.
@@jamienisbett9917 Even that was bullshit lol. Mjolnir was broken but had a mind of it's own and could just...reform itself at Thor's command but...for some reason didn't the moment Hela broke it? What a shit film.
Turning Sif's death into a joke is terrible. It's actually sociopathic to see your dear friend and comrade dying and then say what he says. Not going to watch the film, everything I have heard about it is bad.
All this shit started with Ragnarok. People need to stop defending that fucking film and remember how they turned what was Thor's darkest storyline on paper into a 2 hour-long SNL skit.
I just love it. Sif disappeared like 9 years ago in universe, there's absolutely no verbal catch up on what the hell caused her to disappear, Thor just laughs at her pain and makes jokes about Valhalla, Sif just laughs it off, disappears for the rest of the movie. Jaime Alexander was doing a great job and it was brilliant seeing her in Sif's current comic costume but this was trash. You wouldn't even know she'd lost an arm by the way she was speaking, the camera shot (which doesn't even show it) and them just joking around. What an immersion killer.
@@SolarDragon007 I HATED the movie. My gf and I played a game where we took a drink every time something pissed us off in a cultural context. Needless to say we were wasted by the end of the film. Diverse Asgard and all that shit.
@@SolarDragon007 dude I could not agree more. As soon as Thor said "Oh nooo Thor's in a cage how did this happen?" My heart sank. And when he was spinning in front of Surtur saying "I felt like we had a moment there" I wanted to vomit. Waititi is trash and only good for making stuff like Minions.
I hate the “for kids” mindset. People always use that shit as an excuse. Like the MCU did not start out as strictly kid’s movies like they are today. And even then, it’s not excuse to just abandon good writing. People who say this crap are fans who have only seen the Disney stuff.
Seriously. Tony Stark figured out TIME TRAVEL, Wakanda is a powerful nation because of a do-almost-anything macguffin metal, and Bruce banner is still one of the smartest people on the planet whose biology and radiation knowledge could at least be used to stem the tide of the cancer with some new kinf of chemo therapy or something. Yet with ALL that knowledge and technology at their disposal, there's still nothing they can do?!
Not to mention that in Black Panther, Everett Ross was paralyzed because he took a bullet in his spinal cord then thanks to Wakanda technology, the paralysis was reversed like in 10 hours later and Ross could walk again like nothing happened.
In fact, they found a magical way to speed it up. The cynical side of me wants to believe that it was a contrivance meant only for a single emotional payoff, but the REALLY cynical side of me wants to believe that the Cancer God is just as real as all the the other Gods except everybody is too terrified to say a single bad word about him.
Korg said that he has two dads who made him out of lava. Yet in Ragnarok, he mentions his mom and her boyfriend. So if he is created in lava, and his dads would have no need for a surrogate, why would he have a mom at all? Taika broke his own continuity just to put in more gay characters. 🤦🏻♂️
Hot take: I’m tired of seeing increasingly roided out men on, “chicken broccoli diets” dressed up in goofy super hero costumes who are then playing second fiddle to “strong female characters” who could never hope to come close to that kind of artificial muscle mass.
@@tabbymoonshine5986 So what if it's fantasy? That doesn't mean shouldn't be good. Nor does it mean that we shouldn't judge the actions of those involved. And yeah, Hemsworth is not "natty." He's juiced to the max. Might as well just say it.
Movies have to make sense. If they don't make sense, they're just a random collection of pictures. So this means either that females have to be females, which necessarily means that they just cannot keep up with men physically unless some kind of magick is involved, or it means that females have to be males, which necessarily means that everyone in the universe knows that women are better than men and all police, soldiers, and guards are female. Too many movies try to have it both ways: females are superior to males in literally every way, but are somehow totally oppressed and ignored by males and never allowed to do anything. It doesn't make a lick of sense.
That's what twitter wants to see, so we all have to pretend that it isn't weird. Like how Finn was just running around screaming "Rey!" all the time, because what else is a man gonna do? Make decisions? Pfffft. I wonder if this is a sign of Disney's desperation. They seemed to be leaning towards mitigating the wokeness slightly but then sales got so bad that they had to just go full ham and beg the bots on twitter to save their jobs.
It’s amaZing that a woman can pick up the mantle of Thor, God of thunder, by just existing. She didn’t have to train, pass any trials, or do many heroic deeds. She just, existed.
You're spittin straight facts, but we need to reconcile the fact that women have been treated as second-rate citizens in almost every culture for countless generations. I'm definitely NOT defending entertainment culture's latest push to prove that women are naturally amazing and require nothing more than existing to become heroes and gods - it's fucking ludicrous and makes zero sense narratively, and box office takes are starting to reflect this. But I am attempting to employ reason to see this idiotic era through to its logical conclusion. This latest era of "wOmEN" is simply a knee-jerk reaction to women in entertainment suddenly being granted a modicum of power they have never had previously. And if we know anything about people in the entertainment industry it's that they're mostly over-privileged coke-heads who got where they are through fellatio or nepotism (or both), and retain nothing between the ears except a hollow echo of their own name and the sound of money being counted. It will pass like a kidney stone: painfully. But once it's gone, it will be gone and we can return to decent storytelling once again. Here's hoping, anyway.
@@danknfrshtv women are no longer treated as second rate citizens and haven’t been for quite awhile now. Way more men are in prison, way more men Kill themselves, way more men are doing the hard crappy jobs no one else wants like being coal miners. If the American traditions of the past, where a woman was to be provided for, loved, while she looks after the home and cooked is second rate then dang…I want to be second rate.
@@scrtwpnx so, so many examples of how your comment is invalid. One of the principal narrative focuses, traditionally, was the journey to becoming a hero. It was so important to convincing and entertaining storytelling that "The Hero's Journey" became a flexible system containing all the components required to captivate an audience through a protagonists suffering, loss, discovery, learning, training...jeez, it's like you've never read a book or watched anything made prior to the Transformers movies. Your statement, much like contemporary cinema and TV, ignores ALL traditional storytelling methods and practices. And capping it off with some kind of correlation to "conservative virtue signalling" and a "lol" just exemplifies exactly your level of education and understanding. Go back to commenting on TikTok and let the grown-ups engage in grown-up discussions.
Working (actually breaking my back) in the garden (with a nice cold beer) while listening to the Critical Drinker and his Fiendish Comrades blaring from the boxes. At your service dear neighbours ! And all hail to the Dutch farmers !
@@archstanton9073 I concur my friend. There's is a food crisis and at the same time they are going to strangle the most efficient farmers in the world. The globalist technocratic elite are sick to the bone.
The disappointing thing is that Taika is perfectly capable of making good movies, but his comedic style starts to get old if it’s drawn out for too long.
In the comics, it's explained that every time Jane becomes Thor, all treatments for cancer are removed from her body since Mjolnir saw the chemotherapy as toxins. So when she'd change to Thor, her chemotherapy treatments would be undone and the cancer allowed to spread, eventually reaching Stage 4 where she was told if she changed again.. she would die due to needing treatment. The Movie couldn't even have the decency to explain something this simple.
@@ericpowell4350 In the comics, Mjolnir interpreted the cancer as part of Jane's biological body since it was made from her cells and not hazardous. Therefore it didn't remove it from her body.
Once you are nailing big directors, you don't have to bother putting effort into your work, silly. This explains that horrible Men in Black movie. This explains so much.
As a dad to 15, 13, and 11 year old girls, I can attest that girls in that age group couldn't give a rip about any of this stuff (except Spiderman because Tom Holland is cute I guess). Seems to me focusing on the boys who would be inclined to like this sort of content would a wiser business move.
Stunted critical faculties, no sense of the value of money, pester power, fanatic loyalty to their fixations, uncritical nostalgia decades later (eg: the mum demographic going to see superannuated boy bands): they're the perfect consoomer demographic.
I think one of the biggest problems the Higher Ups at Marvel have Created for the Movies, is that in order to prevent Spoilers and remain TOTALLY Secretive, they have gone to the RIDICULOUS EXTREME of NOT letting the Actors see the entire Script, IF AT ALL! That is why sometimes the Lines are SO disjointed and not delivered with the right tone! In fact, 99% of the time, the Actors don’t even know their own Movie’s ACTUAL Story Line and Character Direction! The Actors pretty much get given only a couple of pages of the script for the scene they are filming that day…. That’s it! And as an Actor, to not know the Story and not be able to prepare for how the Character you’re portraying fits into said Story is totally Bonkers!
Many actors these days are reporting that they don't even know who their costars are or what their takes on their own characters are until they see them movie themselves. Each role is shot separately in front of a green screen and then built up by editors after the fact.
This strategy does have merit, as it did with Empire Strikes Back and the Bespin Duel. Everyone was kept out of it except 4 people: Kershner, Lucas, Hamill & James Earl Jones. All further scenes, like the scene on the falcon where vader reaches out to luke, where leia, chewie, lando and the droids are right there with him, were kept secret. But still, the actors knew the whole storyline of the movie. Only a few moments to hide a twist was kept secret. This is when this strategy works!
From Iron Man in 2008 up until Endgame in 2019, I was seeing every MCU movie in the theater. Even for the characters I had no real interest in just to see what it was going to add to the overall story they were creating. Now, I just don't care. The last one I saw was Far From Home. And from there it was just every single sign that you see when a TV series or movie series overstays it's welcome. It's just wheel spinning now. I know it's quoted and played in clips over and over. But RLM really did nail it: "Just consume product then get excited for next product!"
I had the same thought after Endgame. As i left the theater i recognized the franchise was no longer being made for fans. You could feel the Disney tentacles tightening their grip since their acquisition of Marvel. The spider man films are the only ones i had any interest in but im so burned out on disney comedy i just can't bring myself to watch them.
@@TheHalfrican5 No Way Home just didn't work for me. . SPOILER ALERT . Caging most of the Sinister Six in your basement just to joke with and insult them? Then the dialogue between the three Spider-men that's so obviously calculated to move you? It's nothing special. I never thought about it after seeing it, until now. There aren't any scenes that resonate. There's nothing as memorable as the upside down kiss. It's just pleasant noise.
@@johnstrawb3521 Exactly. People are sick of the Member Berry joke, but that's literally all No Way Home had going for it. " 'Member Tobey? 'Member Andrew? 'Member their villains?"
Rangarok couldnt really pick between being comedic and being serious, but it at least had the decency to keep somewheat serious in serious moments and it was actualy enjoyable
Ragnarok had serious moments and didn't overdue with the humor, plus most of the humor landed. We also had Banner and Loki, and Ragnarok led directly into Infinity War.
@@hughjereckshon1232 Serious moments like when that “rock man” joked about Asgard getting destroyed towards the end of the movie? Everyone who loved Ragnarok deserves this movie.
Re: Eddie in Stranger Things. One of the scenes that I really enjoyed and thought was very demonstrative of Eddie's character as a person was the D&D session. Having played D&D I've dealt with dungeonmasters that really only wanted to flex by thrashing and dumping on the players. It seemed like that with Eddie in that scene, especially with how Dustin and Mike talk about how invested in the game Eddie was. Then the players win. Eddie is genuinely happy for them, gives them a delighted bow, and says "That's why we play." Really says a lot about him.
I guess I'm pretty lucky then. We play Warhammer and our GM is really good - he throws a lot in our way, but still wants us to succeed. I mean, we were on verge of death more than once but it always felt like it was our fault or bad dice rolls.
This movie feels like it was cut to pieces in the editing room, but at the same time it feels like you could cut out 60% of the run time and it would be better.
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This movie would be 100x better if they just made it thor vs gorr so they can use the beginning of the movie, rather than telling us but showing gorr slaying innocent and not so innocent gods like not only would that be cool but that would be a good set up to build gorrs character through dialogue with these gods. tbh they could of made this a story more about gods and peoples belief in them rather than trying to develop a character with thousands of years of life and many experiences, like this movie should of been used to reaffirm who he is, Thor the God of thunder and the meaning/responsibility that title holds for thor and his response to gorr that despises gods because he may believe that these worlds would be better without these gods and how he sees them as dictators while thor may say that gods are good because it gives people someone/thing to believe in, somewhat in the same vein as a hero then at the end it becomes a battle of these two ideas which would be really fucking cool and epic. would of been cool of them to spend their money on cool scenes like these rather than natalie portmans arms and korg.
That's the way the God Butcher story arc worked in the comics. Then after that story Nick Fury tells Thor that Gor was right, which makes Thor lose his hammer and leads to Jane Foster wielding it.
Gotta appreciate Disparu for playing devil’s advocate. You can tell he’s trying to see things from the creators point of view even though he knows it is nonsense
Whenever I praise Infinity War, my sister’s consistent critique was how it handled Thor was that the Russo’s disrespected the story Taika Waititi told, because Thor’s arc in Ragnarok was learning that he was the God of Thunder, not God of Hammers, and his power wasn’t entirely reliant on the weapon he wields. Now that Taika Waititi himself retconned Mjolnir’s destruction, and it can grant the full scope of Thor’s power to anyone regardless of deity status, that argument really doesn’t hold much water anymore. Feels good to be so vindicated.
Her critique isn't even accurate. Infinity War Thor was still the God of Thunder. The issue in IW was that he was facing another God who happened to be wielding a massive, interstellar death weapon (the Gauntlet with the Power Stone). Remember, we don't see how that first fight went down but there's an insane amount of destruction and casualties on the bridge, suggesting Thor put up an incredible fight in a five-on-one situation before being subdued. Thor's entire quest for IW was therefore to find a tool that would level the playing field. Stormbreaker is that tool, like Mjolnir was, and it works, neutralizing the Gauntlet for those key few seconds. God on Titan, he's a match for Thanos; it's his failure to seal the deal AFTER that, and the realization that at his absolute best he still sabotaged himself and got everyone killed, that causes his physical and mental meltdown. All of that is COMPLETELY consistent with Taika's Thor, who needed to let go of his reliance on Mjolnir to hit his peak. It's the peak that matters, not the tool he's using at the time - the proof is how at the end of Endgame he has BOTH weapons but loses rather easily because he has let himself go so badly. As you pointed out, THIS stupid movie then shits on that abjectly by having Mjolnir not only make a Thor, but make an instant PEAK Thor because Natalie is immediately better at everything than Thor is. Taika ruined his own story arc after the Russos painstakingly continued it!
@@lordjimbo2 I've already hit her with something close. I believe my exact words were close to "Thor has unbridled power on his own, which is devastating to large groups of opponents, as seen in Ragnarok. However, against an opponent as powerful as he is, or stronger, unbridled power just isn't good enough, as seen with the Thanos VS Hulk fist fight. In real life, weapons serve as force multipliers that can make a normal person tens, or even hundreds of times more deadly than without. Mjolnir was no different, and therefore, Thor wanted another weapon that could help focus his power, which would give him a chance against a being wielding more than one Infinity Stone." She still responded with a rather generic sentiment along the veins of "I just didn't like it," which tells me there wasn't much substance behind her response to Infinity War's depiction of Thor beyond "it's not funny like Ragnarok was."
@@occultnightingale1106 You've done all you can. I had a grown woman walk out of this movie and say she "had to watch it again" to form an opinion on it because she spent the whole movie waiting for Loki to show up. Literally nothing else in it registered with her because she wanted to see Tom Hiddleston and was so laser-focused on his prospective return. Disney can break even with people like that for a while longer.
Wasn't it established in Ragnarok that the hammer wasn't the source of Thor's power. It was only a way of helping Thor direct his powers. So how can it make her a god?
It's weird that they can mess something up, That they literally have hundreds of comics that they could just use as scripts, that have been reviewed and rated. It's like being handed a proof read paper and instead of correcting the mistakes, you just toss the whole thing for something a 8 year old just handed you.
Christian Bale and the goats were the good parts. remember in Spider-Man: FFH that the whole movie was about the villian bullshitting his way to literally create a "Avengers level threat." Not every movie needs to be a ridiculous world ending event.
That would have definitely made the movie better. You know, make it actually reasonable to attempt to "fix" people since the multiverse won't collapse Killing potentially millions.
About Thor Love and Thunder: The whole reason why the serious subjects are being bombarded with humor, is because they are too afraid to tackle the serious and emotional subjects. Like Drinker said, they don't want to insult anyone or anything and don't want to disturb the viewers. Serious tones and subjects can always be paired with humor in a movie. Its nonsense that serious subjects have to be 100% without jokes. Just look at Tarantino, who is a master at serious drama + humor. In Django Unchained for instance, there is loads of funny, laugh out loud scenes. There are also hugely disturbing scenes and the subject matter is VERY serious. He does this aswell with Inglorious Bastards. The opening of that movie is phenomenal. He uses humor when possible and serious tension when its needed. He gives room for both in his movies and its just pure genius. Waititi is not so confident and Marvel/Disney is probably not looking for too much serious topics in their movies.. It all has to be watchable for little kids, after all.
If they don’t want to insult anyone, why approach everything with humor? That’s WAY more insulting. I mean, I agree with you, it’s just that logic not only doesn’t make sense, it’s completely backwards.
I was actually very surprised when they gave Thor a few scenes where he took charge of the asgard people in a way “king Valkyrie” could never. Then they promptly had him crash land two minutes later with the Thanos slaying weapon.
Lady sif as "king" would've been better lol. I've always liked her character. Valkyrie is intolerable and was never an interesting character tf did thor (god of jokes) give her the throne
Yeah and him not being able to give speeches to the masses is silly as fuck he’s thousands of years old come on this is his fourth movie lol he’s done all this shit before and then they sort of just make fun of his depression. That bit played weird for me.
I’ve worked nights for 28 years. Nights are tough to adapt to especially if you don’t change your daytime habits. I see people all the time who run around all day instead of sleeping then can’t handle night shift. I’ve seen people who expect to sleep on the night shift. If you are stuck doing nights, you HAVE to learn to sleep during the day. Once you master that, you may like nights a little more. I like nights because I drive as part of my work, and traffic is better at night.
I think the worst part about this whole deal is how many amazing things in the marvel universe are being completely wasted. Gorr the god Butcher is so badass, and now it's ruined.
I agree. It’s like they can do better storytelling in a comic due to them not worrying about mass appeal like they do with a multi million dollar film. The problem is that they were doing a good job of getting it right at the beginning of the MCU, now it’s just film by committee.
They sure did! And all because they HAD to have Christian Bale (they wanted his star power to get more butts in seats at the theater) … they also wanted people to recognize him easily, so they just panted him instead of going with a more accurate portrayal of Gorr. They sacrificed making Gorr an awesome character (as he is written) to get the normies to watch it cause it Christian Bale added to the celebrity list. Smh 🤦🏾♂️
Yeah it was so much more grounded and realistic, not to mention actually cared about telling a story. A lot of people sleep on Phase 1 in general outside of Ironman and the Avengers. Now it’s all just Saturday morning cartoon shit.
I thought the first Avengers was the top because they actually accomplished their goal: the characters, brought together, were a bunch of alphas that had trouble getting along, but ultimately found a need and a way to work together and still be themselves. You needed all the other previous movies to establish the characters to make that work. As the MCU drug on, however, they very clearly lost the thread for many of the characters. They start acting differently for no reason, and when they get together all continuity is often thrown entirely out the window. Seeing all the movies will only confuse you instead of inform you.
Thor could share his power??? That could have helped in Wakanda in Infinity War. Imagine after Thor chops into Thanos’ chest and he says “you should have gone for my head”. Then a Thor’ed up Black Panther with his own Stormbreaker jumps in and says “Thanks for the advice”. Credits.
Which would’ve also been a great opportunity to show that thanos was a perpetual, forbidden to die because he’d insulted the afterlife or something, and so he returns and does the snap anyway, explaining why the only way to defeat him is to let him win (so he regrets his choice and realizes he was wrong)
Blackadder goes Forth is a prime example of how to mix drama with comedy. The subject matter is truly horrific, but its one of the funniest things ever made, with probably the best ending of any comedy show ever.
I will NEVER get over Fat Thor and how disrespectfull that is to Thor This guy has lived more than all the Avengers combined since he is a God. Has been trained by Odin to become the NEXT King of Asgard. Trained so whitstand pain and suffering by being a warrior willing to give it all in the heart of battle. A warrior who has battled thousands of wars and lost many in his life. Then after he lost everything... you turn him into a fat buffoon who can't do anything anymore??? If anything Thor SHOULD HAVE BECOME MORE ZEALOUS, he should have become vindictive and dangerous, unstable, or at the very least, he would have stayed and made sure Asgard was absolutely safe from that moment onwards, but you telling me he just escaped and became a drunkard? Is that the Freaking God of Thunder for Marvel? A pathetic drunkard who escapes responsability? And do not get me started on Soy Hulk Ruffalo.
Full Fat has a good video about fat Thor that would change your mind, maybe. His failure in Infinity War wasn't small. He screwed up. And he was still competent, just rusty, not in shape. The movie after that could have been very interesting.
@@O1OO1O1 Regardless of how big he screwed up, it is NOT in character to completely give up and just say "nah fuck it being a hero is hard" because it does make sense if he breaks down... but to become a PATHETIC FAT SLOB? OF ALL THE THINGS POSSIBLE???
Honestly, fat Thor is a most "realistic" portrayal Thor for the mythology. He eats his goats for dinner and then they revive the next day. Less Mr. Olympia,more world's strongest man.
@@nanakufuor1800 Now Thor being Fat sure that's one thing, but him being Fat in Mythology was because you needed fat to maintain energy in those cold winters in which you could die freezing, ALSO, it was also said that Thor was a beast of a man, fat sure but YOU WOULD NEVER EVER MESS WHIT HIM, now what kind of "Fat" Thor is? He is a pathetic slob who can't do anything anymore, that is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the most Braindead idea you can have for Thor, making him a sad loser is just them shitting on him for the lolz.
I used to love the hulk. Especially 2008 hulk and phase 1 hulk. I hate soy hulk ruffalo. They completely ruined hulk. They should’ve never made Mark Ruffalo the damn hulk.
I liked Dark World… wish the dark elves were used more as a running antagonist for Thor. They looked cool and then we could’ve had an eventual Dark Elf join with Thor.
Yes, they took wrong lesson from its failure. DW was not a great movie per say but it was a good Thor movie. They didn't have to reinvent the character of Thor to make a good Thor film. They just need to write and execute good script.
Dark World was also written by the same guys that wrote the Captain America trilogy and Infinity War, aka the best writers in the entire MCU along with James Gunn
Hearing the descriptions of the movie I kept flashing back to Futurama with Zoidberg's uncle Harold Zoid. Especially that bit of directing where he goes: "People, people, please. Just because it's a dramatic scene, doesn't mean you can't do a little comedy in the background. Throw a pie or two, for God's sake."
I know that in reality he'd never do it, but I dream of a universe where Martin "fuck your capeshit" Scorsese gets to show the kids (at heart) how things really are done and give the viewers something with depth and gravitas.
i just finished season 3 of "Barry" (HIGHLY RECOMMEND) and man, the way they blend the comedic elements with the action & drama is simply INCREDIBLE. It does it in such a striking way that when things get serious, it realllly gets serious. It isnt like this thor movie with the constant joking around with NO time to breath. I wish Disney would watch Barry and use some of its aspects for future MCU projects
When I first watched that part, I just cringed for how forced it felt. Yeah, Jane, we know that in the comics you're called Mighty Thor, but are you that willing to wink at the audience at the expense of the story?
1:25:00 - 1:25:49. To address this point. Thor mentioned that Gorr / the sword would be at their most powerful on that black & white planet because he could use the shadows to his advantage. Gorr needed Stormbreaker, so he kidnapped the kids, used them as bait, and dragged them initially to that black & white planet so that he's got the homecourt advantage against Thor and co. If Gorr fought the three of them at the edge of Eternity from the beginning, he would've surely lost to them in battle. Thor knew this, that's why they went to Zeus first to seek his help.
Was also baffled by everything about Russell Crowe. What on Earth were they thinking with his portrayal of Zeus? Gladiator, Master & Commander, LA Confidential, A Beautiful Mind, Cinderella Man to that…cringeworthy
What happened to Thor made me unable to even enjoy the older movies knowing he’d turn into a punchline who’d hand over the throne to some drunk he met a few years earlier. His responsibility was key to his arc, and they shattered it. I’m done with the MCU.
The most important aspect of magic/powers/abilities is consistency. It doesn't necessarily matter whether the audience fully understands what the power can do, as long as its consistent with whats shown
Missed opportunity to explore how chemotherapy is essentially poison, but that transforming to Thor would purge Jane of the poison meaning it doesn't have sufficient time to kill the cancer cells
All of this movie's bad stuff was present in Ragnarok, albeit in much less amount. I absolutely hated Ragnarok for it and never understood why people liked it so much.
Same, Ragnarok was just a silly comedy which took away from the serious moments and Love and Thunder amps that up to 11. Half the dialogue in L&T was just exposition and the other half was dumb jokes.
It’s a good comedy movie, but a horrible Thor story. To enjoy it you either need to detach yourself from the emasculation of the character, or not know him in the first place. Ragnarok owes its success to the later.
Jeez. At least in the comics Jane lost her hair. And it was also somewhat interesting that whenever she turned her powers on it nuked all her chemotherapy. How could they fuck up what little was interesting.
A very big problem now with MCU is something that made them unique earlier…. Everything has to be connected. That’s coming to bite the MCU now. A lot of issues about the story wouldn’t even be an issue if they are stand alone movies.
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@@michaelthompson3286 Right? I'll never understand how you can watch/read someone else's feedback about something and then decide whether you like it or not based on THEIR opinion.
I loved Disparu's shout-out to 'Beast Wars' at 2:22:11...spot-on! I had that same reaction with another kid's show I rewatched recently that fits that category and era - Mighty Max! Seeing it through adult-eyes now nearly 30 years later, I was like "WOW, this actually has some damn good writing, story-telling, continuity and mature subject matter for a kid's show!" (even some outright dark moments...season 1 finale and season 2/series finale in particular). On a fun side-note, it's also the ultimate who's-who in terms of all the actors and guest-actors that do the voices (I mean, for starters, you have friggen TIM CURRY doing the voice of the main antagonist Skull Master, and you can tell he's absolutely enjoying every second of it with every line he delivers.)
Uh, Lady Thor and Valkyrie sitting next to each other is too much cringe for me to handle. I choose to remember Natalie Portman in her all-white outfit with a rip across her midriff.
In the comic run, when Jane used mjolnir, it purged the poison (chemo) from her system, which was why when she used it, it was killing her. The chemo might have helped, but all her adventures as lady Thor were undoing it.
I would say that it's not completely accurate to say Taika Waititi had "full control" of Jojo Rabbit. Topics like the holocaust and WW2 have built in boundaries that should not be crossed. Jojo Rabbit still had bumpers on the lanes. If he didn't have a certain degree of sensitivity, his career would have ended then and there. Taika Waititi requires boundaries to produce good work, plain and simple. It feels super weird saying this because it's usually the other way around but there are a decent amount of creatives that actually get worse with the more freedom they are given. They are too ADHD for their own good and require people to focus their chaos, arrange it for them, and tell them "no" more often than "yes".
Thor has got to be one of the most underutilized characters in the MCU. He has so many moments that would make for great drama and character building...and it gets thrown out in service to a cheap gag. We could've had Punished Thor, hero without a nation. Instead we got Bore, lord of the couch potatoes.
There’s a reason for that. The divinity that Thor represents is pure unadulterated western masculinity. Thor of the myths is not someone to be trifled with. Thor gets shit done and cracks skulls doing it. They don’t want any young western boys getting any “toxic” ideas. So they downplay his divinity and degrade his character.
Forget Thor being able to use the bifrost whenever he wanted. Heimdall was supposed to be able to see everything in the universe. So why didn't he see this and why didn't Odin make some grandiose wish so that there's no more chaos ever??
I think I enjoyed getting the clap more than watching Thor: Love and Thunder. More than the non-stop jokes (that miss), I wondered why Thor has had no character growth. It's as if the previous movie didn't occur. There's a video called "How the Russos destroyed Thor" and it explains Thor's character arc up Infinity War, and it does a great job of making Thor's arc interesting. After this movie, it's as if none of that happened.
My main complaint is I don’t understand how the Mjolnir suddenly made Jane Thor, as she’s not a god how does she have the same abilities and powers as Thor. When we saw captain America wield the hammer it didn’t give him the ability to conjure thunder he just used the Mjolnir as a regular hammer. So it doesn’t really make any sense that a human has the same powers as a God
They messed up with the character of Thor. After Infinity War he should have become an angry bitter drunk who had no interest in being friends with anyone bc of his failure. Not a fat idiot with anxiety. He should have begrudgingly went along with the plot of Endgame but showing that his distancing himself from his friends hurt his abilities. Then, this film could have picked up from there and Jane's sickness could have helped him soften and not be so bitter. Instead they made him a giant dumbass in this film.
They're gonna resurrect Tony Stark and the end of his movie is going to be him walking up to Pepper and telling her "I love you 3000 in all the universes, you're the one that made me a genius playboy billionaire philanthropist avenger that saved the world by sacrificing his life, you are smart, funny, intelligent, it was all you" and then he'll go to his daughter and tell her she's smart and funny and intelligent too.
Taika Waititi's humor is as poignant and clever as a fart in church. I spent most of Free Guy wanting to savagely beat the shit out of him because he's so unbearably annoying to watch.
I thought I was the only one LOL - particularly HIS character in that movie as the tech CEO or whatever...was one of the most annoying performances I've ever seen! I feel like he acts like that in real life
Joke Joke Joke Joke . Everything is that damn thing. The idea and potential behind Jane and Gorr were great but their dialogues sucked and they were not at all fleshed out properly. I had hopes for this movie and that was because of two people mainly, Christian Bale and Taika Waititi. Bale was so underutilized, and Taika well; the script was a joke. Thor has a character-wise assassination. He is one of the people who lost the most during the infinity saga, he should be the most damaged, everything about that is just like "MEH ITS ALL GOOD". The monologues, and recaps about the past easily breaks the immersion. They treat the audience like dumbos. Stakes are too high to value it, and the use of children who have insanely high plot armor also devalues it. It's like there is always something more powerful and more better than what we saw in the Infinity Saga in every recent MCU outing, but nothing is coherent or seeming to lead up together soon.
Taika Watiti is the reason Thor was turned into a fucking clown. Don't spare Ragnarok from your scorn, because that film is absolutely guilty of smothering a potentially good story with self-indulgent comedy.
Isn’t this how Ragnarok was? I remember everyone loving that movie despite the jarring transition between it and Infinity War when dealing with the same subjects.
It’s crappy that they didn’t explain it well because in the comics the reason Jane is dying is because when she transforms into Thor and reverts back the chemo is purged from her body so she’s resting herself every time she transforms
The comic relief in marvel movies makes you not care about serious things happening. Infinity War when sooooo many of their friends are dying around then in wakanda, they crack jokes about their beards. So silly. What fun we’re having.
@@idawg7332 For real. A lot of people say Infinity War was the last good MCU film with stakes, but honestly the only thing carrying that film was Thanos. If you ask me it was still just as cheesy with the only real drama being Gamora’s death and the snap sequence. But I think the worst comedy is definitely Ragnarok and now Love & Thunder.
Another Marvel movie past Endgame is shite - eeeeveryone’s veeeery much surprised! 1:54:00 - Just a note: today’s twisted and perverted morals would lead you to believe that sexual act is something you ARE, rather than something you DO.
When I was walking out of this film with my friends, the theater was dead silent. I mean, nobody felt anything after that movie. It was a huge imax theater and nobody felt anything.
