Open Bar #49 - The Little Mermaid Predictions, Guardians 3 Lagging, Disney+ Losing Subs 

We want Tatiana for Open Bar #50! 😂

A pig: Feed it garbage and it turns it into glorious bacon. Disney: Give it a multibillion dollar franchise and it turns it into millions. Pigs > Disney

Ugh, I hate dealing with HR departments and HR companies. Those departments are horribly inefficient.

I've worked in warehouses for almost two decades. One of the biggest inside jokes we have is whenever says something slightly offensive we say "HEY! Not in our house!" and then sarcastically point to the HR rules sign which has in bold font on top 'Not in our house'. So, yeah. That's what we blue collars think of HR.

I work in a factory and if HR heard how we speak the 75% of us would get the sack and the other 25% would also get axed for not reporting it.

All I know is that I have forgot what looking forward to a movie or series feels like.

A few rambling thoughts about the Little Mermaid: 1) every Disney Renaissance film features an "I want" song, in which the main character plainly states their desires and objectives in musical form. For Ariel, her "I want" is NOT actually Prince Eric. She is attracted to him, certainly, but it's more what he represents than who he is as a person (after all she doesn't even know him as a person, she's infatuated with an idea). Her grotto is full of items and artifacts from the surface world because THAT is what she actually wants. She wants to live and walk among the people who live on land, and if that means also snagging a pretty boy as part of the package deal all the better. If you listen to Part of Your World very little of the song is actually about her infatuation. I feel like people fundamentally misunderstand Ariel's motivation as a character in this way. 2) Ariel is the PoV character of the film, but her father is the actual main character. Ariel doesn't actually go on an arc throughout the movie, she doesn't really learn any lessons or fundamentally change as a person. She has a desire, she gets it, some hijinks in the middle. King Triton, on the other hand, actually does have an arc. He's the one who needs to learn how to let his beloved daughter go & be independent. He's the one who begins as an arrogant & egotistical (but ultimately well-meaning & loving) King & Father. He has to struggle with the pain of failing to understand & respect his daughter, he has to learn to let her go. It's really his story told through her eyes. How much do you want to bet all of that gets thrown out in the remake?

Eric's kind and loving, and fell for Ariel without knowing she was one who rescued him. I fail to see how the original Disney tale is problematic.

Chris Gore nailed it. People in these bloated companies have to create a problem that didn’t exist to justify them having a job. This shit even happens in big box retailers. As a former employee, I can guarantee that people like that contributed greatly to Bed Bath & Beyond going bankrupt along with their hesitancy to embrace e-commerce.

Im dreading the remake of Lilo and Stitch. Such a good animated movie that i greatly enjoyed as a kid.

My two favorite takes are Mauler, "Disney is a Lovecraftian Rat," And Young Ripper " It's scary to see how many levels of shit this is."

Telling your customers they are the problem while you shoot films next to Concentration Camps and provide a special thanks to the guards..... Then saying your customers are racist while removing black people / gay people from posters and movies.....

This movie’s box office will be Under the Sea I feel sorry for the Poor Unfortunate Souls who actually watch it Disney, I no longer want to be Part of Your World

Watching the Singing Dragon catch on fire and burn to the ground as the background music still played was perfect as Disney Metaphor….

Representation is only important for the people who only see themselves as one thing. These are bad people. It's a terrible message being spread today to kids that they should need somebody to look like them before they can root for them.

"Man, I could use a cold beer." "We have plenty of Bud Light. In fact we have signed an exclusive distribution deal." -Disney

Best monologue: the Tears in Rain speech from _Blade Runner_ . "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..."

Was gonna go see Guardians but I realized it cost too much money (pay for gas, pay for parking, pay for tickets, pay for snacks and drink). I’ll just stay home and watch Open Bar. Cheaper and so much more entertaining.

How did you not mention "tears in the rain" from Blade Runner when talking about monologues?! Gives me goose bumps just thinking about it.

A perfect listening experience for the later hours of my shift. Cheers!

Best monologue? Syndrome from "the Incredibles".. "When everybody is super, no one is". Very fitting for movies anymore.... Loved it.

Just got done watching an amazing outline for a five season series set in The Silmarillion's first age. It's frustrating that money and politics are straight up blocking the creation of the best live action storytelling mankind could possibly produce. The rights alone are a nightmare, and now activists are ruining anything made anyways. It is beyond stupid, the most foundational fantasy stories we have are right there ready for adaption and all we get is cheap knock off's??? Whyyy???

I agree with you, every country and continent have beautiful stories and legends to tell... But you need: talent, work, imagination

Disney inflating numbers won't stop sadly. Last Thor movie made a "profit" because Disney gave it a 150 million price tag to be on its own streaming service. So it looks like it made about 100 million in profit when it lost more than 50 million in profit if not counting Disney paying themselves.

Never actually heard Eric July before. I was impressed. Would love to see him as guest again sooner rather than later. Also, Chris Gore is always interesting.Mauler is good too, but that Scottish Guy is just too intense give him the boot. 😊

1:36:10 Okay, I'm gonna say it. Dolph Lundgren/Andrew Scott's monologue in "Universal Soldier: Regeneration." Love it.

"Give it time." Oh, I know. The excitement I had at the prospect six or seven years ago is long gone now.

It’s always good to have Chris & Rippa on the show 🎉 Great episode as always

I can only imagine how insane movie sets have become if at my job I get a “lunch break violation” warning to sign for clocking in 35 seconds too soon. I am apparently violating the company. When you get in trouble for just doing your job and gotta watch your back for anything and everything.

Again, not a horror at all, but the whole Judge Doom finale scene from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Absolutely terrifying. From being run over by a steamroller to melting in the dip it was surprisingly gruesome to my younger self.

1:36:15 "Best monologue from any movie..." The appropriate answer is either one of 2 speeches from Kenneth Branagh's "Henry V" - 1. The St. Crispin's Day Speech by King Henry himself. 2. Armored Ultimatum, Brian Blessed as Thomas Beaufort, Duke of Exeter delivering King Henry's demands to the French King and the Dauphin.

It blows my mind how much money Lucasfilm could have made if they just sat down at the start, filtered out the top 20% of ideas that have been kicking around the EU and took 2% of those and still had several grand epics to tell from many eras of the ST galaxy. A real story group would then lay it all out, figure how to build the most tension through the order of release and format, and decide the different tones each would be told through. The directors, writers, and talent would then be intuitive to cast so they reflect the tone. They would then have a multiple audience offering that would last for decades. The royalties of the original creators would still be far, far less than the disappointment of their property now.

One day a female friend and long time co-worker left set to use the women’s bathroom, and the director (male) while talking on his phone followed her into the women’s room and stayed in there the whole time having a “random” phone conversation. She refused to go to HR, because they would only create more problems and threaten her job, while simply telling the director to “Don’t go into the women’s bathroom.” Most HR on sets are an absolute joke. This was before COVID and at the height of #MeToo

Joining Chris Gore's example of enjoying What's Happening as a kid, three of my favorite shows growing up (and i still enjoy them as an adult) were Sanford and Son, Golden Girls, and Family Matters. I could see myself and my father and other family in all of them and found them relatable regardless of the immutable characteristics of their characters. Back in the '80s and '90s growing up, the only "racism" was kids at school using stereotypical humor BECAUSE we knew how ridiculous it was to mock someone for something like skin tone. It's just dumb but people today are trained and indoctrinated to be narcissistic, which is why so many people claim to belong to certain members of the alphabet squad. It really makes me sad for them because in the end, we are all just looking for significance from others. Gen Z gets theirs from the negative reinforcement of people offending them and realizing that the real world isn't all about them. It is all about changing other people's view of them when we used to take queues from social interactions to change ourselves, which is the only thing any of us can do anyway.

I think this is the shortest open bar. Also, I agree Karl Urban is a bit too old to play Johnny Cage.

Idk if it counts as a true monologue, but Alec Baldwin's scene in Glengarry Glen Ross is iconic.

Best monologue is Christopher Walken in Pulp Fiction. Second best is Dennis Hopper in True Romance. Walken was also in that scene.

The superhero genre (this push, at least) going into its twilight phase falls squarely at the feet of Disney and Marvel. It was 100% self-inflicted.

i personally loved moana.... why not make a sequel or spinoff to it. there is tons of stuff they could do with that culture. got several samoan and tongan buddies and they have the coolest legends that could easily be translated into a disney fairytale....with a few tweeks. still, moana, being heavily CG already could far more easily translate to live action. but still make a new story using the existing universe. no need to remake the same thing.

The remake phenomenon is not a particularly Hollywood problem, it is a mainstream entertainment issue - i call it the Hairspray Effect. Follow me here: Jon Waters released Hairspray in 1988, to strong reviews and it became a cult favorite. So in 2002 a Broadway musical was released. In 2007, Hollywood decided to make a film based on the musical. Then 2016, there was a live broadcast of the musical based on the second film. This illustrates the cliched “creative bankruptcy” that we have seen over the last several years in the film/television/Broadway/music business.

Re: Starship Troopers, Verhoven butchered the source material so bad he accidentally created the liberal utopia with a fascist paint job. The book is heavily focused on the role of the individual voluntarily taking on responsibility for their society, something that fails when enforced from the top down.

Talking about “locker room talk”….every time I’ve overheard a group of ladies talking about their lives…relationships…etc when they think it’s just the “girls”…has put any “locker room” talk I have heard to shame…it’s only when it’s someone else that gets them offended…

“Why are you the way that you are? Honestly, every time I try to do something fun or exciting, you make it not that way. I hate so much about the things that you choose to be." Michael Scott

V’s public speech when he took over the BTS TV studio is my vote for best movie monologue.

This is war. Either Disney goes down or we do.

I think this is a Peter Jackson quote, something he said to his actors: "Pain is temporary. Film is forever."

The biggest problem with streaming is that by its nature you can't saturate the market. If people find a service they are significantly less likely to join an 2nd service. If they have 2 services they are even less likely to get a 3rd service. If they have 3 services they are really not going to get a 4th unless this is someone part of their job like a media critic. There is also only a limited amount of talent that can be ramped up. You can't just magically hire people to become crew for all these streaming services' production and NOT get a major drop in quality. And a successful show doesn't actually mean the crew is high quality either. So you are going to get a lot of bad people who are just bad because they are not suited for the job and you are going to get bad people who are bad because they lack the experience. These people you could absorb into the system and after years they would get better... IF they were trained by high quality mentors. But when you ramp up production this high you you dilute the talent and the ability to train people and you end up creating shite. This shite programing causes people to question the value of the services they are getting so they abandon services they don't feel give them value. Eventually once all these streaming service die and you are left with a few, you will see a consolidation of this form of media and we will get higher quality programming but that isn't a quick fix because a lot of new talent that could have been train to be good crew or writers have learn bad habits and they have lost years of training and at a certain point they will stop thinking they need to learn and you have lost that window to train them. There isn't enough money to sustain the services, there aren't enough crews to make the shows at high quality and there are not enough writers than know how to write TV, or movies and they are not the same skill set. This create a downward spiral because money dries out as people stop subscribing and you just created a mediocre generation of behind the scenes talent so it isn't like this will make it easy to find the best people as there will be so much dross created. So as the money shrinks so does the ability to pay for good talent and so you are not able to create better shows which cause more people to unsubscribe. People wanted to become Netflix but overnight forgetting the Netflix too decades to get where it is today. You can't speedrun success.

The solution to fix Marvel is so obviously simple: 1. Don’t insult your audience and their favorite characters 2. Leave the audience wanting more

I have worked in Supply chain for over 20 years. HR in every company I've worked at have been useless. They more power than any Department head. It's all about the ego. F 'em.

Jules’s Monolog at the end of Pulp Fiction is great for the performances. I also love Danny DeVeto’s Monolog at the end of Other People’s Money.

"Volcano" was one of my late wife's favorite movies, mostly because of the subway lava scene.

The 'live action remake' of Pocahontas was Terrence Malick's The New World.

“When you are in a perpetual state of activism it’ll never be enough” so true and can confirm as I had my sjw phase

Awesome to see ripped again! Thanks all

46:14 Glad you picked up on that. As a father of small girls, I've been forced to watch the original like 37 times in the last 4 years. This statement reeks of not understanding Ariel's motivation. Her love of Eric was the inciting incident, but she always wanted to go to the surface. She always wanted to explore and experience, and if you listen to how she explains it and the lyrics of the song, after Eric it's about experiencing it with him. This comment reeks of selfishness. Idk, I could be wrong, the new plot could be about Ariel going to the surface to invent a never ending supply of food or cure a viral outbreak, but I'm expecting every problem (even Ariel taking Ursula's deal) will somehow be blamed on her Dad or Eric, and in the end Ariel will save everyone without any help.

Im surprised i don't hear this corner of RU-vid talk about The Warriors more, especially with the monologue question. Cyrus' "Can you dig it?" Speech is among the best in all of cinema imo.

In regards to Chris Gore talking about the purpose of art: I think Western culture’s understanding of that purpose has changed. The dominant narrative structure in modern storytelling is power fantasy (I.e. the dominance of superhero films), where the whole point is to transpose yourself in the main protagonist’s shoes and experience wish fulfillment. In order for art to serve the purpose of allowing its viewers to empathize with people different than us, then we (as a civilization) have to demand more from our art aside from fantasy and wish fulfillment.

Way I pick car repair shops is I hit up the Google reviews, sorting "Worst Reviews" first -- The shop that replies to every 1-star review with a petty snipe, calling the critic a liar or belligerent; that's the shop I _never_ go to. Doesn't matter if they get 4.5 stars average. If they got time to run around antagonizing every bad review, they're just gonna waste my time and money. "Social issue" writers are the same energy. Petulant, way too much time on their hands, and so defeated by life that a bad review is an existential threat. Review-policing is open admission that your work can't stand up to scrutiny.

Gunna have to strongly disagree with the super chat that praised Jedi survivor. We can debate how well written the story is but whats not up for debate is how disconnected and pointless it all was. Jedi Fallen Order Story : We have to get this list of force sensitive children before the inquisition! Jedi Survivor Story : If we fight these no name pirates maybe we can hide from the empire on this hidden planet. Fallen Order has stakes, Survivor doesn't. Simple As

Best Monologue. Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men.

I can’t believe Chris Gore brought up What’s Happening’. My mom loves it so much she managed find like every season on DVD.

I was initially confused when Chris Gore said every episode of Star Wars Visions had a female protagonist going against a male antagonist in every episode, which is untrue for season 1. I did not know there was a season 2....

Part of what Chris said.. since we seem to be the same age lol.. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. Watching fantastic TV like Good Times, What's happening, Jefferson's, Different Strokes, Sanford and Son... never once crossed my mind to think, 'wait a minute.. I'm white.. why is this good'. I was watching damn good shows I could relate to because I was a human being. It's crazy to think we are MORE racist now than we were just a decade passed Civil Rights... LMAO!

I'm so happy MauLer's enjoying _Succession._ Hopefully S4's fleems don't throw him off too hard

1:33:20 - I was all-in on "Lost," until I got the Season 2 DVDs (a few eps into Season 3). There were some incredibly devious Easter eggs in the DVD menus, and I found them all without looking anything up! My joy was short-lived, though, when the show runners said (in an interview inside one of the Easter eggs), "Well, we knew we were going to have them find a hatch at the end of Season 1, but we didn't know what was inside it, so we had to come up with something for Season 2." Wait. The show's *creators* didn't know what was down the hatch?? No *wonder* the show feels like it's on toothpicks! It *is*!!!

I think the Open Bar should have an HR department and an inclusion officer! Mauler would be perfect for it as an interdimensional Cthulhu God!

The modern "script writers" have obviously never read a classic book in their genre, sci-fi, drama, thriller,etc. If you want to be a good writer need to be a voracious reader otherwise can't understand themes, character development, foreshadowing,, metaphores, and all the other tools of story telling.

Because Disney doesn't want to pay for rights to adapt different and original stories when they can just keep recycling public domain stories from Hans Christian Anderson.

Buy physical media. Vote with your wallet.

Worst on screen death I remember is that dude that gets the gut shot in Saving Private Ryan

Brilliant line up!

47:25 Spot on. Identify with someone who isn't you. A good story & character will always be relatable.

We had Disney+ for a very small amount for first year. Now I got info that they want monthly payments, and the last thing we've watched were first 15 minutes of Thor L&T and a few episodes of Obi Wan (I slept through most, but it Disney's statistics I've watched them all). I'm canceling tomorrow.

Rippas real talk was golden. Went and bought his stuff after that epic slam.

I have Disney+ only because I got a free 12 month subscription with my phone contract. There's no chance in hell I will be paying for it when it's ran out. Everwhere I go here in the UK I see these free Disney subscriptions with deals.

You know who you should invite to an Open Bar, especially when it comes to mythology like Little Mermaid, Cleopatra, etc? The Mythology Guy. I think he would add a nice depth when you discuss things like this.

1:20:00 You're right. The last time I heard someone mention George Lucas when talking about new SW was back when they were doing the sequels. Now, it's just Dave Filloni and all them talking about their own ideas, wants, and creative freedom. 1:23:00 Of course rebellion. Like I'm libertarian and all, but rebellion is not virtue. It's necessary for growth, but it isn't a virtue. It's an overused, shallow, unthoughtful trope at this point.

India has literally billions of people America has what half a billion? Losing the cricket is like saying hit me in black Jack while sitting on 20. They’re done for in this particular case

Re One Punch Man season 2 : The biggest Issue is that the animation studio changed (the Original one was busy with another show) so the Animation isn't...mind blowingly amazing like season 1 is.

Perfect companion as I explore Hyrule!

Idk what’s so hard to grasp for Disney that you cannot rehash a classic story that made lots of money to make even more money, but act like everything about the original that everyone liked was wrong. Literally makes no sense.

Best monologue is the Dicks, Pussies and Assholes speech from Team America 🤣

Between the four of you you've got almost 3 million subs. You should get nerdrotic and Melanie and disparu and baggage claim and hold your own oscars next year. It would mean more than the actual oscars.

After everything Disney has done over the last 10 years - I really, really hope to see them go bankrupt crashing and burning. Where's my popcorn?

"We've got some Fishchick" A movie from The Bar

For those offended, yes you can be offended , doesnt mean you're right . 2cd , i dont impose my life style on you, dont impose on me . People forget that feelings belong to yourself. Good 49 bartalk

"Queer coding" is basically when they convince themselves that (insert movie here) is secretly gay, resulting in articles on Gawker sites like "Why the Avengers are secretly queer (and that's great!)"

Drinker, a monologue is a series of lines a SINGLE character says, it doesn't even have to have an audience to hear it. as an example, Rorschach's monologue at the beginning of watchmen. That would be an internal monologue. Speeches ARE generally monologues, mauler's example of theoden's speech works fine.

Did i miss something in the timeline?? I thougjt the "community" was all about boycotting disney and lucas film after the firing of Gina Carano...did something change?

I was super confused when Chris said all 9 episodes of Visions was all female leads but didn't know they had come out with a volume 2; since volume 1 wasn't like that.

And a union! The Open Bar should unionize! Mauler and the dogs should unionize!

❤ Truth Bomb Eric. Invite him more often.

Disney has paid Rotten Tomatoes to remove the Audience Scores and comments from their crap Peter Pan movie the reasoning is Review Bombing...The real reason for the low score cant be a Totally Awful rendition of Peter Pan?!😂

Yo yo Eric the man the myth the legend!

Disney IP has become like ketchup or toothpaste.....Damm forget to get a new tube at the store....oh well, let's just squeeze the old tube for that last drop....Damm I'm really out

Like Chris Gore (white kids) we grew up on What's Happening, Jackson 5 cartoon, 227, The Jeffersons, etc. Never once did we care what color they were. You didn't mess with Mama in What's Happening, You couldn't trust Dee, and Jackie was hot as fuck as Sandra on 227.

Will these ever be uploaded to Spotify to listen to?

High fives to Eric for not only his incisive analysis, but his "read Mises" and "read Rothbard" posters!

Dear Young Rippa... I feel like some directors still can make timeless films (maybe Christopher Nolan??) but not many

I too expect the Little Mermaid remake to not do well. No one is talking about it in my circle, or they are going to avoid opening weekend until a friend sees it. When The Lion King, Aladdin, and Beauty and the Beast came out, I had several "normie" people act excited about it.