Open Bar #94 - Fall Guy Flops, Planet Of The Apes, Acolyte Trailer Roasted 

94 was a killer year for movies and notice how almost every movie was a original story

As far as Fall guy goes (a remake, by the way) - people are tired of "goofy". Humor - yes, goofy - no. Lethal weapon franchise is the perfect example of action and humor working together.

In the new trilogy, Gandalf the White dies, and comes back as Gandalf the Rainbow. "Things are not buss'n mordor frodo"

"The Larry Sanders" show was not created by Larry David (co-creator of "Seinfield"), it was created by Garry Shandling, telling the story about a talk show host (named Larry Sanders), set during the talk show wars of the 1990s, having to navigate the superficiality of Hollywood and his love/hate relationship with being on TV. It's one of the best series ever written...absolutely scathing indictment of the phoniness and lack of depth in the industry. Shandling (who has since passed away) knew Seinfeld, but wasn't involved with his show. Larry David did "Curb Your Enthusiasm", which is fine, but which is basically just a series with George Costanza as the main character. The only real connection between them is that both are on HBO.

"It's a dumb show ...made by dumb people... for dumb people" RIP Star Wars.

Manflesh Sniffers: A Lord of the Rings Detective Story.

I feel like Zach Snyder is one of the only people who has made more films than he has watched.

I was inundated with Fall guy ads for 3 months and I still have no idea what it's even about. Their market campaign really was just "Ryan Gosling is in this"

I think Stellar Blade had the best marketing. Just let people talk about it on RU-vid. I haven't seen an advert for this game here in Germany, but I pre-ordered it after the conversations here on RU-vid.

I think the problem with The Fall Guy is that we have had enough. We have suffered through Hawaii Five O, Night Court, Quantum Leap, Magnum PI, and two variants of The Equalizer. None of these had a whole lot in common with the TV shows that we liked ... and whose names they are trading on . So, along comes The Fall Guy, which is trading on the Lee Majors TV show and those of us in the audience figure it's going to be another film with little fidelity to the namesake. Fool us ten times, shame on you. Shame us eleven times, shame on us.

My son was born in 94. It was a good year.

The Acolyte Is the future of Star Wars, just pure DEI insanity

Fantastic panel! Love having both Mauler and Fringy on the show, and RMB and George are always reliable for discussion. Platoon is obviously a gem, love all his breakdowns especially his evisceration of Velma.

Hollywood as a whole needs to get off social media.

I think Hollywood has been so crap for the last almost decade that people just don't think to go to the movies anymore. If I have a Saturday free it's a pretty hard sell at this point to go sit in a movie theater.

Nice to have fringy back on the show

Tom Cruise failed with Mummy reboot long before Dead Reckoning. Everyone somehow forgot that movie exists.

The Fall Guy remake was fun. I think a huge issue for it is that the classic show never got a proper DVD release, it never gets rerun and it's not streaming anywhere. The other great 70s/80s action TV shows - The Rockford Files, The A-Team, Magnum PI, Knight Rider, Airwolf, The Dukes of Hazzard, Emergency! and others- all got proper DVD and/or Bluray releases, and they all got rerun a lot. There are a lot of us out there who are too young to have seen them when they originally aired, but became obsessive fans through both DVD sets and TV reruns. I personally got hooked on Knight Rider when I was a kid and it was being rerun on the SciFi Channel in the early 2000s. Now I love all those shows, and it's all thanks to TV reruns and DVD. The Fall Guy didn't get that, so as a result, there isn't nearly as much name recognition. (Part of the reason my girlfriend and I went is because we weren't familiar with the show and therefore it couldn't be ruined for us.) Add to that the lackluster marketing, the budget being too big, the stars not being enough of a draw, and the movie being solidly in the "fun, but not great" category, and there you go.

That superchat about Visions is utter bollocks, how anyone could say that those stories respected the lore with a straight face is beyond me.

I may be an outlier here, but Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes is one of my guilty pleasures 🫣

"Between Now and Inevitable" is a fantastic book title.

Movies like the Fall Guy used to make easy money back because a lot of people would watch them on dates. Nobody goes on dates like that anymore.

You can be passionate, but still be inept. There is a huge skill gap between the passionate people of today and yesterday.

In regards to box office numbers dropping...there are loads of reasons as discussed but let’s not forget that we conditioned the world with “STAY HOME, STAY SAFE!” messages for over 2 years. That changed people’s behaviors for sure.

Acolyte has dozens of Jedi and Sith, and we all know it'll be a garbage fire. Andor has, like, one guy who is a bit smart and that's iot. And it blew us all away.

Nice to see this up now. Was very good stuff altogether, with some very thorough, satisfying discussions of Superman and much more besides.

I think George may have mixed up Larry Sanders with Larry David. Larry David was the Seinfeld guy. Larry Sanders was a fictitious talk-show host played by Garry Schandling.

I met and started dating my husband in 1994. I remember going with him to watch The Lion King in the theater. Now I think it's weird that we went to a children's movie on a date, but what I thought was weird at the time was seeing Nala give Simba bedroom eyes.....in a children's movie! I was very surprised by that.

I went ahead and watched "Anyone but you" out of curiosity, obviously attracted by the two main stars of the movie (and I can tell you, they are made full use of throughout because of the hot climate the movie is set in), and came away actually invested in the two main characters and the whole setup. There was a surprising amount of chemistry and it was pretty raunchy, which I didn't expect them to do in this era if Hollywood. But then, some of my favorite movies are High-Fidelity and Gross Pointe Blank - John Cusack romcoms about a record store owner and a hitman, respectively.

2:00 Is Mandela becoming president of South Africa really "yeah"?? How well has South Africa done since his and his party's leadership? Since then it's been a massive downhill, with SA on the way to becoming a failed state.

I have 2 reasons for not seeing Fall Guy. 1. I didnt know about the movie, so bad marketing. 2. Im kinda poor, watching these movies at the theatre isnt cheap

Just saw The Fall Guy with my mom today. It was a good one but then I dont really get tired of goofy action.

Twist ending, West world season 1 . Never saw it coming

Wait...so the Hollywood insider confidently confuses Larry Sanders and Larry David? The fact that no one calls him out implies that no one on the panel watches Curb, they don't know who Garry Shandling is, and they don't know who Larry David is. I listen weekly, but man oh man...

I love Mauler and Drinker together, could easily just listen to them for a few hours. Speaking of which, when's the reaction to "Undiscovered Country" coming out? Really enjoy those.

Listening at work it’s getting me through this Mother’s Day Sunday double shift!

Favourite twist: end of the pilot of The Shield. Also has the best name in TV show history. Ass evader as the flip flopping careerist local chief

12:38 “Where are our new franchises?” YES!

One one Hand I'd love to see an adaption of Elric of Melniboné. But right now I am also afraid that some one would try to do it.... it is a strange time to be a fan of genere-fiction.

Bring the Fring!

94 was a great year.

Ryan Gosling has so much potential why's he taking on roles that makes him look like an idiot. I saw Blade runner years ago and thought he was pretty good.

I could feel Mauler writhing in his seat as drinker described Res 7 and 8 hahaha

Nelson Mandela taking charge actually set South Africa to be in the state it's in today. Say what you will about apartheid and Botha's rule, but that a pretty big BOO.

wtf, did i just hear you guys confuse larry sanders and larry david ? two completely different people

Absolutely an A+ panel!! Nice work drinker.

The Cylon reveals in the newest Battlestar, when the 6 all meet up for the first time, very good twist.

Probably late to the party with this, but the Larry Sanders Show was a fake talk show on HBO starring Garry Shandling. Larry DAVID was the Seinfeld and Curb creator.

Thank you for having Robert Meyer Burnett One of my favorite humans I’ve never met

Literally was just looking for the full video!!! 🎉

Maybe that superman publicity photo is representative of the american way, but now it means turning a blind eye to the disaster going on right behind you

94 saw some amazing motorbikes that resonate today.

Yay, "White Gold Weidler" and "On a Pale Horse." Loved them.

I can't believe the Americans got The Larry Sanders show wrong. I saw a few Fall Guy ads on the web. Honestly, I didn't know the plot. I thought it was all about making a movie. Poor marketing .

1:05:50 ~ Rob was a bit incorrect here, so to clarify: Rob spoke of Polaris when he meant Photon. Photon was one of the hero-names Monica Rambeau used, _not_ Polaris; Polaris was Lorna Dane, the "Mistress of Magnetism" in the X-men comics (whom was romantically involved with Havok, the brother of Cyclops). And sadly, I remember all of this from a time before the Drinker was born, lol. And also due to being a retired comics freelancer.

It seems that most "older people" seem to forget that Fall Guy is based on an 80's television show.

There's so much Tolkien adjacent material that I can't believe the studios aren't going near. So many great epics from European folklore. Peter Jackson could have his pick of volumes on top of volumes of Norse sagas and skaldic poetry he could adapt. It's a shame The Green Knight was in the hands of woke, race-swapping producers

Been waiting all day for this. The chasers kept me going, but the full upload is gold. Great panel too.

I have to disagree about the lack of franchise material these days. John Scalzi's Old Man's War is 6 books, very compelling world building, brilliant key concept, and great action. Cherie Priest's steampunk post civil war series is I think 6-7 book, again, fascinating alternate history, where steampunk tech kept the civil war going with crazy steam engines, war blimps, also very interesting characters and lots of visual action.Rothfuss's Name of the wind, and Beuhlman's Blacktongue Thief each have massive potential, amazing worlds, once completed. Plus Holywood had Wheel of Time, Warhammer, Warcraft, Witcher, it's not a matter of no source material for this era's LOTR, it's that we aren't competent to do anything with it seemingly.

I think a lot of people who knew of the original "Fall Guy" myself included, rolled our collective eyes at them rebooting this just as we rolled our eyes at the Road House remake. We're tired of remakes. The new Gollum movie will fail as well, they should cancel it ASAP.

The 1994 nostalgia bomb… makes me wish for simpler times.

Love that Thomas Covenant series was mentioned.

A Drinker review of *_Gangs of London_* sure would be interesting 😃!

The thing about Eragon and the other fantasy movie adaptations is they aimed them at kids (or they were low budget efforts) Beastmaster was pretty good, so was Conan, but there's loads of other fantasy series that are aimed at adults that would be very good.

1:00:23 Gosling is like the new Edward Norton.

I think an important part of the "why is there nothing new?" discussion actually lies in the book world and, I imagine, in the other media spheres as well. New authors, when they're looking at trying to get an agent, are told, repeatedly, not only must they do all this research for agents who are likely to just straight ignore them so they don't even know they've gotten a rejection so they are expected to send to 60 from different agencies, not only are they supposed to know to the subgenre what to pitch their book as, not only are they do to summaries, but the most egregious thing is that they are supposed to know exactly what books the agent likes to read, and compare their work to specific books. They are supposed to say, "my book is like this list of books" (and remember, if authors were good at marketing themselves, they wouldn't need agents or publishers; the whole system exists because most authors are incompetent at these things). The whole "this meets this" thing is rife in the book world. And when you have that setup for new authors trying to look in, you have them sitting there saying "well, why would I ever try to publish anything new? They'll only accept a book that resembles what they've already read, so I'll write a book like that." So even if you escape from the franchises and make something "new," you're still actually being funneled into franchise think. "It has to resemble popular IPs in these key ways or the agent won't even look at it." Because why in the world would you go to all that trouble of researching and contacting that many agents if you weren't aiming for as near to a sure thing as you possibly could? It's massively time consuming and disheartening as a project. So just make something they can recognize. It'll be easier to write and seemingly more likely to be accepted. And that's where creativity meets its own end.

George aside, this was a much improved episode over the previous two! Last night I saw The Amazing Spider-Man 2 for the latest Spider Monday. All five films have been nearly sold out and I’m *amazed* at how Spider-Man 3 through The Amazing Spider-Man 2 have seemingly gained a lot of traction with the public. The applause and laughter through these three films was considerably more than Spider-Man 1-2 received in my theater. Mind blown.

Teams...it's all about the team of people you assembled for the specific production.

An untapped writer that should be adapted more is Clive Barker. Instead of a 10th bad Hellraiser sequel or a 4th bad Candyman sequel, he wrote many novels that are essentially macabre fantasy stories that are awesome, like the books of the Art or Imajica, Damnation Game, Coldheart Canyon, etc. and technology has finally caught up where you can actually bring Barker’s extremely imaginative worlds to life and do them Justice. Clive Barker also had a good number of stories with a gay protagonists, you’d think woke Hollywood would love that? Although when I think about it, the character being gay wasn’t the gay story Hollywood likes to tell, because it wasn’t central to the actual story being told, Barker, being gay himself, just decided to make his characters gay sometimes, he didn’t seem to ever be trying to push a social message, or identify politics, it just was what it was. Hollywood will just ignore all of his really original ideas, to make another Pinhead film, except this time, Pinhead is female! Actually, Disney or Pixar should adapt his Children’s books, instead of another live action remake, or menstrual analogy films.

George the Conversation Slayer

Eragon was the first time I was ever seriously disillusioned by a bad adaptation. I loved that book in middle school.

It’s hard to believe Fall Guy would flop considering the incredible romantic chemistry between Gosling and the British Emily Blunt - and this works amazingly well with the car-crash vibe of the movie.

Here for Little Platoon and Mr. Fring lol

It’s Brandon Sanderson Storm light archive. There are more great stories then ever before. They are just unwilling to take a risk on a new IP

Best TV twist is when Buffy revealed that her friends 'rescued' her from heaven and she feels like she is now in hell.

The fall guy trailer gave off argylle vibs. Emasculated man does what the women tell him to do.

Stuntman doing stuntman things sounds like the exact reason why it didnt do well

Ryan gosling isnt necessarily a huge star but has a cult following

One of the best twists on TV is the end of Ashes to Ashes because it ties up not only that show but also gives a little coda to the ending of Life on Mars that, shockingly, doesn’t spoil it in retrospect.

As for supposed success of "Marvels" on streaming; I have my doubts that it is because that movie was popular with audience of mothers & daughters - after all this group didn't cared for "Ms. Marvel" which is one least watched show on Disney+.Why would they want to watch film with character they didn't cared for before? I suspect that if film is popular on streaming it's because general audience of Disney+ decided to watch this film since they already paid for streaming, so they may as well watch new MCU film. Same apparently was with Indi 5 - still didn't change the fact that both film lost many millions of dollars. 😁 As for "Fall Guy " - it's another remake and people are tired of those - we had them for last 20+ years and audience had enough of them.

no actors will come close to Ian and Viggo

15:15 Edgar Rice Burroughs' Mars series would be a great set of stories to adapt to film. I know they did it with John Carter of Mars, but there are several books in the series left to do. o 10:00 p.m.

I don’t see the problem with the Superman reveal at all, my only issue is the background it shouldn’t have such destruction behind him. But that has nothing to do with the suit/pose/ actor, that all looks good

Shame Fall Guy flopped, it was a lot of fun. Not everything has to be tied to some multiverse or Oscar worthy. Mindless entertainment with 2 charismatic leads (Gosling and Blunt) can be healthy

Gollum could be one episode of an anthology of “War of the Ring”. Other episodes of Linley Mountain and other areas involved but not covered in the film. A good team could make it work.

Omg! Flintstones was the only movie I have ever walked out of too! I must of been 6 years old at the time.

We're really 30 this year...

2:30:15 “Ach, you speak like a poet, but you punch like one too!”

IT’S OPEN BAR!

1:22:34 Or the ship's doctor's kid. That got you on the bridge as well.

If it’s anyone todays Tolkien is Brandon Sanderson and his Cosmere series

Speaking of other properties. I'd give the cost of five movie tickets for a 5-part Riftwar Saga that is faithful and good from Raymond E. Feist's books. Maybe a TV show because even Silverthorn, the middle book of the three, is pretty big.

Hollywood's own greed has killed the box office. Growing up in the 80's & 90's because of the technology that was available it took sometimes up to a year or more from the theater release to home release. It made both of them a special event, if you watched a trailer that you liked it enticed you to go to the theaters to watch otherwise you were waiting that year or so to have the chance to watch it at home. Now you maybe wait a month or 2 and its available for home purchase. And when you put the prices of watching something in the theaters, why spend that money when you can just wait a little bit longer and buy it for less than half the price, and be able to watch it when and how you want. Studios are chasing the quick bang for your buck, (which is clearly failing) instead of the slow burn that ultimately would make them more money just by putting those release dates farther apart. Putting that gap back in from theater to home release makes both of those dates more exciting and would naturally drive the excitement for the theaters back to what it was.

What a joy to grow up in the 80s and 90s.

Saw one of the chasers. Checked the channel to see if the full vid was up, wasn't, went back to my home page and boom lol

Vernor Vinge, A Fire Upon the Deep!!! That is an incredible example of some thing fresh, different, and deeeeep,

1994 was a great year for movies! Shawshank? Come on then mate!

What are the books that Robert Meyer Burnett mentioned sound the middle of the stream ? I couldn’t catch them and the video is quite long 😅

Saturn was better for me, I love fighting games and arcade games. plus the Saturn had some bangers, still got a PS, for tekken.

1994 was also the year the Rangers broke the curse and won the stanley cup