@@kingnothing5678Me trying to explain to the truck driver why he can't just leave after having scraped two BMWs and needs to wait for police... They always wanna throw hands and I'm just standing there 'bruv I loose my job if I don't so fuck off and let me do my work' Love construction site colleagues but the drunkards are awful. They fire up like a rocket if a pebble rolls towards them the wrong way
Really, he was pretty good boss. Kind of wish the humans and orcs could just have sat down and hashed out their problems without all the bloodshed, Orcs seem pretty cool and chill. I bet they like sit down and hit a bowl of blunts and just chill, seem like good dudes
I love how excited the orc is. Like he's just talkin logistics like he forgot theyre evil and saruman is like "Yo dude we're evil, just do some evil shit to get it done" and the orc's just like "FUCK YEAH, I FORGOT WE COULD DO THAT".
@@billballinger5622 bro, you could've found literally any other example to use, but that's the one you went with??? wtaf and how do my random comments get deleted by the algorithm, but that one somehow survives
This isn't arguing. This is middle management explaining to upper management foreseeable roadblocks/ challenges, and upper management giving good solutions. This is a very healthy relationship. Something to admire.
Next time one of my associates tells me they are unable to complete a task for whatever reason, I'm going to simply reply "The forest of Fangorn lies on our doorstep. BURN IT." If they reply "YAAAAS" they get the rest of the day off with pay.
I freakin’ love it when antagonists or villains don’t just kill or push around their henchmen and soldiers, but just actually coordinate and give them good orders with advice in order to facilitate completion of plans and achieving victory one way or another. Its good writing.
Saw an interview with an ex mafia dude. He brought up that point. If the boss was always killing his underlings, his underlings would take out the boss. He'd have no loyalty. The whole fear forces loyalty, is only true if enough people are on the boss's side that do the killing for him. People he gives tons of privileges or wealth to. When a boss just does an impromptu execution with his own hands, he aint gonna last lol
@Kevin-zz9du No seriously you always see these evil guards with machine guns get whacked by some overboss when irl a dude will just fukin cap you in the face for killing his budd for asking a question 😂
I like his enthusiasm when Saruman recommends burning the Forrest. It’s like when your boss gives you the green light for something you’ve been wanting to try for a while
Notice how when the orc says “we don’t have enough fuel to feed the fires”, his eyes go back and forth between Saruman and looking directly out towards Fangorn Forest. He 100% wanted to burn the trees down before that conversation ever started.
Props to Sarumon for being such a respectful and chill boss. He engaged the Orcs discussion and understood that his perspective mattered. And when the Orc missed the obvious answer, Sarumon was calm and didn’t become condescending
Yeah, but you have to understand that initiative wasn't really encouraged in either Sauron's or Saruman's organizations. Make the wrong decision and it's likely it would be the last thing you ever do. Yet, they still get berated as idiots. Thing is, being called an idiot is far better than the possibility of beng killed outright. 😜
@@cegesh1459 sure he’s not perfect. But consider most bosses. Not only would they not have an answer for a difficult question, they’d get defensive and impossible to deal with
@@cegesh1459 the complaint was “we don’t have enough fuel to feed the fire”. He answered that objection. With sinister horns in the soundtrack. You do NOT argue with an accompanying soundtrack.
lord of the rings isnt fiction. it is a guide on how to be humans. in every aspect. loyalty, bravery, work, love life, friendships, destiny, internal conflicts between good and evil, w.e the hell the mouth of sauron was lol
We need orcs like that to administrate the new Mordor--okay, settle down. I know they did some... things in the last war. They are not proud of. A mad Maia made them do it. Yes, them. But they were just following orders. They swear it. They were never true believing members of the Mordor Domination Party, they say. Furthermore, their technology transfer has been invaluable... And we really could use West Mordor as a buffer state against those damn Easterlings.
He wanted to burn that forrest anyway, but since Saruman loved to walk it, he didn't dare to touch it without a permission. So by asking questions regarding logistics he got his way.
I actually love this. Shows the raw efficiency of Isenguard, problem identified, communicated and solved in less than a minute. You can't pay enough for that
There is no arguing here. I just see a concerned manager relaying a list of his worries (including the safety of his employees) to his boss and, in turn, his boss hears him out, offers a viable solution, and then leaves him to do his work since he fully trusts his capabilities. This is one of the healthiest work environments I’ve seen.
All managers should watch this. Sarumon shows great leadership and management skills. He takes the complaints and instead of just demanding results or getting mad he come up with possible solutions to the problems at hand. Even the Orc, who was being pessimistic, agreed with his solutions in the end.
@@jaredconnor Are you asking if they resemble tortured and corrupted elves? I'm merely pointing out their overly enthusiastic nature towards destructive activities.
That's because orcs actually do fucking work. That guy with the flat nose and twisted limbs is talking to Saruman because he's the baddest dude on the workforce. Here, he would be on disability.
I love the evil satisfaction being so much in the orcs heart at the thought of destroying a beautiful forest his voice literally deepens its evil as he exhales and YESS of pure fkn malice Hail Saruman
So funny because dudes not even arguing with him really, he’s just presenting him with what is preventing him from doing what he needs done and as soon as he gets a solution presented to him, he’s the man on the job to take care of it… sounds like an efficient supervisor to me. Mans needs a raise.
@@zachyg4644 people act like Jackson is a saint when really he's a money hungry hype train conductor. The Dora the explorer movie was better handled than the disaster known as the Hobbit trilogy ffs.
Saruman is quite a reasonable boss, no insults, no screaming, he finds the perfect course of action that solves the issue while being exactly the kind of thing his workers like to do.
Saruman is literally the best boss. His subordinate tells him why things are difficult, and Saruman gives him solutions rather than just telling him to do it.
@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger Blacks in the hood: we don’t have enough food or drink to feed the homies BLM leader: The abundance of Walmart lies on our doorstep.. loot it. Blacks: YESSSSS BLM leader: and don’t forget the TVs fam
@@cavaugnsharkey2699you live rent free in America cuz you’re on welfare and eating government cheese in between committing mass lootings lol. Pay ur child support Tyrone
What a great workplace. Boss listens, instantly solving setbacks, gets you pumped for your work. Not a bad lot to rule Middle Earth. All hobbits do is eat, shit and sleep.
Notice how the orc manager was not-so-subtly glancing out at Fangorn forest when he was complaining about lack of fuel, and his enthusiasm when Saruman ordered him to burn the trees…he’d been wanting Saruman to say that.
Background characters like the overseer orc is why I love the Extended Editions, the actor did a great job for such a small role and it's a shame he went through all the prosthetics and still gave a neat performance just to have been cut from the feature
@@RichO1701e sorry for liking quality world building and writing? ROP is a disgrace and they should be ashamed that they have Brought the Tolkien name down the way they have.
I found this clip very wholesome and uplifting. It shows how two disagreeing parties can come together finding new and innovating solutions in an ever changing complex work environment.
I think J.R.R Tolkien was an environmentalist at heart. For example, the tower Orthanc symbolized his hatred for the Industrial revolution. When he returned to England after fighting in World War I, he noticed a lot of cities and factories replacing beautiful country areas. He enjoyed traveling to those areas prior to the war.
I'm not sure if it was so much environmentalism as just an anti-industrialism. It was well-noted even during his lifetime his disdain for the notion of "progress" being synonymous with industrialization. Moreover, I think one of his main purposes in writing LOTR was to reacquaint his countrymen and women with their ancient history which, apart from the modern notion of environmentalism, was deeply rooted in a sort of mythological connection to nature, a connection lost in the wake of industrialization.
Sauron is generous and gives the Ring of Power to all races. And the ungrateful hobbits take Sauron's ring and destroy it by throwing it into the fire.
Actually gollum was pushed into the lava (by Ilúvatar) after he bit off frodos finger and took the ring frodo was never going to be actually able to cast the ring into the fire because of it's corruption
I mean he knew they were there, but he assumed they all went to tree by then or his orcs were more powerful in large numbers. Emptying Isengard _then_ being attacked by Fangorn himself never occured to him; in his mind they would fall easily or they wouldn't have the tactical minds necessary to coordinate a full-on assault like they did. He knows they're peace loving, slow to boil, and generally stay out of conflicts - no way of knowing they'd literally flood his base and crack the stones of his tower.
@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger But only because Merry and Pippin talked Treebeard into fighting, via Pippin encouraging Treebeard to go south towards Isengard, thus Treebeard seeing the destruction Saruman and his orcs did. In some respects, Pippin did with Treebeard what the Orc did with Saruman: politely raising an objection to a decision, and getting the response from Treebeard both hobbits were looking for. Especially since hobbits from the Shire throwing a wrench into the Dark forces' plans was the last thing Saruman OR Sauron expected, and Pippin knew this, likely having learned a thing or two about strategy from the human warriors in the Fellowship. Those are just my thoughts on the topic. 😅
@@a.katherinesuetterlin3028thats actually quite good analysis. The hobbits really were the unknown jokers that saved the world by being unexpected. Dark forces had plans for each of the free nations but hobbits and fellowship were the wrench in the mix that unified the front enough to clutch the victory for good.
I always been wondering what were the wheels in their foundry. Now, I realized they were the hydraulic hammers in late medieval to renaissance and also for the bellows to provide oxygen to the furnace. Using hydraulic energy to replace human effort, increases efficiency. But I also realized why their breastplate were too weak as they got pierced by arrows during the battle of helmsdeep. They use charcoal instead of coal. Coal provides more heat than charcoal so they can process and mass produce steel.
Idk. But the people's of middle earth explained that the upper plateaus of Gorgoroth were rich with iron and copper further south. Whence the dwarves once amass tons of it for their means!
@@richmondlandersenfells2238 if we are talking about Iron, tons are barely enough for a kingdom. Armor weighs around 50kg. So a ton of iron can only be used by 20 men. Swords are around 1kg - 5kg depending on the size. So 1 ton can produce 1000 swords or 200+ great swords. Axe weighs around 3kg. So about less than 400 axe could be made.
@@linming5610Armor weights around 50 kg? Dude, in mideval Europe most men had total body mass of 50 kg. Plus swords/battle axes, they would have to wear more iron then they themselves weighted 😅
@@melanimatejak6821 dudes that wear such armor are of course heavier and taller. 50 kg is an overstatement just to round things off. But I also made a mistake because it was actually supposed to be in pounds according to sources but I misread it. And yeah, medieval lords are actually picky in recruiting soldiers. They don't want to affect the production in their fiefs so they will only pick the strongest men that volunteers. The time they mobilize weaker and shorter men is for logistics purposes or if things got too desperate. This is why European battles tend to be smaller than eastern.
@@linming5610 Yes, 50 pounds sounds more likely. But I think you still talk about suits of armor made for knights, that is, for people mounted on horses. Even 50 pounds is an awful lot if you fight on foot. But armored knights were only a tiny percentage of any army in medieval times (maybe 1% or so), due first to the extremely high costs of such armor (plus the horse), and second to the fact that to efficiently use such equipment, you had to practice from early childhood. More common types of armor were simple and much lighter, and not even those were widespread. Actually, most people fought without any body armor at all (and in some cases, without any clothes - before the advent of Christianity, it was normal in many European countries to show in public but naked😂).
In Middle Earth Lore it's said that Orcs mostly don't like their masters; especially not Sauron, and they serve them just to pursue their lust for violence and destruction. They're also driven by hunger and fear. I like this scene. Just like the argument between Uruks and Orcs for the hobbits it shows the disobedience of the evil guys.
@@melanimatejak6821you even have to look how orcs were orginally made. Imprisoned, tortured and disabled elves who just been breed with their worst characteristics. How is there a respectful or likeable relation any possible? Also Sauron and Saruman don't call them their people or kind of.. they are just tools for destruction, animals to be butchered by the enemy till victory or defeat. In the Silmarillion for example its told that the orcs are "brave" and hungry for the battle when the great masters or Morgoth himself lead them but its more like "hey if we fight for him we get rich and get food" than real loyalty. Or simply that reason: Would you like somebody who made you ugly for purpose?
@@melanimatejak6821Orcs in general keeps to themselves, trying find their own home, but Sauron and in extension Saruman keeps flaming the flame of war and the Orcs wants it now more than ever, forgetting their original purpose
@@melanimatejak2750 they keep to themselves sure, but they are made for war, not for living normally. Thats why in Mordor Sauron have slaves making farming to make sure his army stay fed while the orcs is being used as living engines of destructions, but there are some orcs that aren't under Sauron remember? Like the Moria Orcs. If I was Sauron, I would just stop using Orcs in the first place and tries to corrupt the East completely but we can thank the two Blue Wizards for that. In summary, those that are under control by darker powers like Saruman and Sauron is made for war, but we can see after the destruction of Sauron, all the orcs just, stop being organised and just keep to themselves, easy target for the forces of the free men to hunt them down.
