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Luka, some pointers since you're preparing your dwarfs for an event: - Hammerers *really* *REALLY* want Rune of Confusion, it improves their efficiency by 1000% against most targets when charged. For instance, those Black Orcs would've died before they got to swing, instead of killing 5 Hammerers on Steve's turn 2. - Dont forget that Kings and Thanes hate enemy characters, and also confer this ability to any Hammerers and Longbeards they have joined. This is kinda moot since dwarfs hate OnG in general, but still. - Anvil of Dooms "Rune of Haste & Urgency" is a Conveyance so can be used same turn as say, Rune of Oath & Steel. Would've been great on your Hammerers in turn 3 on on the Gyros in general, like blocking the Giant.
these old world battles have been really good. I don't know if that is a testament to old worlds rules or Luka and Steve's skill at the game. maybe both!
Luka failing to use his hatred reroll in the Warboss vs Ranger fight. That's going in the book. Edit, failing to use Hatred at all, full page in the book. Also never using Haste and Urgency to move the hammerers around.
@@jtrain9926 Honestly, given that the Initiative bonus in Stoic Defenders is all but useless without RoConfusion, I'd say he's not playing the army mechanics if he doesn't take it.
What a great game with lots of surprises and tight fights. The post battle talk was the real highlight fore though. Would be good to get a discussion video from you guys as to how you think the game is shaping up 2 weeks in. Cheers!
pretty sure your warboss's shield does nothing; 4+ for plate, 3+ for pig, 2+ for shield, + up to a max of 2+ for pants (+ regen), take the shield out the save is the same
Yupp, Steve could've (should've - as he said; you live and you learn) put a GW on him since he already had a 2+, and saved ~30ish points and maintained the choppa-rule.
@@grlmgor So is the GW on the charge as well. Picking the Choppiest Choppa over a mundane GW nets you: +1AP (in ongoing combat only.) + Maintaining your initiaitve. + Magical Attacks -1S - Losing re-roll 1's to wound on the charge. - Losing AB(1) Is this trade worth 30 points extra? Most people would say "absolutely not". If using the Choppa allowed you to have a 2+ save instead of 3+, then it might be, but since the Warboss already had a 2+...
At the time of this stream i made a very meme list for O&G with two blocks of 30 orcs each and No black orcs. Everything in my list is impetuous. I call it the 100% Organic Orcs list I'll let you know how they fare
currently there is only one thing i think could be fixed in the game to make it better and that would be limiting dispels to your wizard level this will allow for a bit more interesting builds for armies to play around whit level 1 and level 2 wizards other then that i think TOW is amazing loved the battle was a lot of fun
Can you clarify Dragged Along. Would the screaming bell for example only have a viable declared charge range of 8”, even though when they “start their movement” within 1 inch of infantry 10 strong they would like have 5 movement and therefore 11 inch maximum charge?
Every dwarf battle report I see online is sadly the same, FAR too many points spent on characters and war machines with hardly any dwarf units! War machines and characters are rubbish against a skilled opponent, they will not get the job done (and the Orc player here is a good aggressive player). Sad to see……
Dropping both organ guns, The Anvil of Doom, one gyrocopter and the runes from the battle standard nets you over 600points to spend on more dwarves (rangers & crossbowmen with greatweapons deployed in lines with a unit of 10 trollslayers on each flank).
yes organ guns are rubbish in the current edtion, totally wasted points, a5er with trollhammer is so much more dope. however havign great characters is sort of important, you may have to block some nasty dragon shits. But I would not use any ranged units aside rangers anymore, swarves went too weak on that part in this edition. only ballistas with preventing armor saves is a valid War machine option in my opinion. Also, utilising smith for buffing weapons. forgefire is strong on the real elite troops.
For orcs any reason why you do shaman on wyvern rather than warboss? Trying to think for my savage orc army if i put shaman and bsb in block of orcs and general on wyvern or if switch level 4 and warboss around. Was thinking giving warboss potion of toughness and the killing blow axe or maybe giant blade.
Any idea how fallback in good order and swiftstride works?? When you flee are you rolling 2d6 keeping the lowest and adding a third dice or something else??
Gorgeous Dwarf army Gorgeous table and Gorgeous set!! (I'm sure the orcs look cool, but I don't care for them. It's not you, it's me.) Great learning game for me!
Question as a Daemon player: It seems this edition does not allow their BsB, now called Locus, to have them re-roll Ld/break tests. I hope I am wrong, but can't find it in their rules. Any thoughts?
A Black Orc Character on a Boar has a 1+ save when he has Full Plate, Armoured Hide 1, a Shield, and sparkly trousers... meaning if your debating whether to have a 2+ save or a great weapon... just take the great weapon since not taking a shield you have a 2+ save any way. In this situation the shield literally does nothing since you can't actually get a 1+ save, it caps at 2+! Also, thoughts on the 'Eadbuttin At? for champions that can take it?
@@grlmgor the rules state you cant get better than a 2+, the sparkly trouser specifically state that as it give a point of armour from an unusual source so clarifies that it doesnt circumvent the rulebook. My point above is that a black orc boss on a boar already has a 3+ save, with the sparkley trousers that makes it a 2+, meaning giving him a shield does absolutely nothing The eadbuttin at does give an auto hitting attack at ap-2 which is pretty good, charge in, issue a challenge, headbutt the enemy champion to death XD
@@jtrain9926 In a big block, I'd lean towards shields. The extra armour means that the opponent won't be able to claw back the CR you win from S&S, etc. With that being said, they aren't the same as Warriors because they can't take Close order, so they're one CR down. Points per wound is a big deal too. I think Rangers will play better as skirmishing scouts. Too versatile to pass up IMO.
just bring dwarven ballistas with rune of skewering, negating any armor is great, they sure have not the best hit modifiers, but so don't have any other warmachines. just bring 3 ballistas with it (and put 5's on them for the rune rules) and you reliably have something good to shoot. To ballerburg, like true dwarvens do, i'd field 6 ballistas, each with skewering, and 3 of each in a corner of the table eahc corner with an engineer. Let it rain big arrows that give a crap about armor.
Finally a game where it looks dwarves are competent. Inwas thinking either starting dwarves or warriors of chaos, which would you think is the better combat army? Perhaps more Luka-style
If you want to go straight melee chaos all day. Dwarves work really well as a more balanced army, with a 2-3 shooting units and maybe a warmachine, or as a heavy shooting army. Changes to Vanguard really hamper combat only/strollaz lists, so you need to compel the enemy to close on you.
@@jtrain9926 Move and shoot options are better in this edition though. With BS4 Scout/Skirmish Rangers, and Quickshot BS4 Irondrakes looking absolutely awesome, plus Gyrocopters being way better than ever - I actually think aggressive is easier now than before.
I quite like the "drilled" rule/upgrade. I deploy some close order units in marching column (which triples their movement) and either match them straight up a flank or right in the enemies face, and then use the free "redress the ranks" to them into fighting order. I like to march my Greatswords up the flank (usually with some knights). In two turns charging a flank with knights and a big block of infantry. Movement 12 Greatswords are fantastic 😁. Unless I'm reading drilled wrong?
The reshape of drilled is befor you move... you can use it to charge directly out of a marching formation because you can reshape yourself to combat formation.. but keep in mind that your range to charge gets shorter too :)
Another great batrep! Love seeing all the great Old World content. Sleeper combo for Dwarf armies is just the Anvil. Anvil of Doom has amazing synergy with the entire army.
@@toro132 There is no way that it is useless. It has the longest-range spells in the game, which helps with its movability, and they're great spells. It's a level 3 mage, but that's better than the level 1 or 2 dispellers that can be taken otherwise. I agree that it's points value is a shame, but it's still a strong choice and far from useless.
@toro132 disagree 100%. Casts as bound spells, is unbreakable, can take 3 auto dispell Runes, makes itonbreakers near unkillable. One of the best magic missiles in the game. The Anvil of Doom has been the MVP in each of my games. As fsr as not being able to move, you don't place it first and leave multiple gaps between your units.
Not directly related to this matchup but I have a very important question as I'm assembling my Tomb Kings core box - DO you think the better move is to put the hierophant on the Bone Dragon or use the Tomb King and have the former roaming around on foot?
I'd say put the tomb king on dragon. You'll more likely get into melee and actually use the monster. Hierophant is protected by being a small target and/or a infantry unit.
Can i get a rules clarification? 33:12mins into the batrep Luka shot his quarrellers and because rhe wyvrn was a large target he said he got an extra 4 shots because of the 2nd rank behind the fires. My question is, how did he get the extra rank shots because quarrellers dont have volley fire so only front rank can shoot i have been led to believe, could you please clarify this and direct me to the rule that states this as, i have played with dwarfs and have been pulled up regarding this? Agan great batrep love watching you guys!
From what I can tell, Large Target specifies that models can draw line of sight to it through/over other models. Usually the first rank would block line of sight for the second rank, so only first rank can fire. However this is not the case with Large Target so all ranks could fire at it.
@@TherorSilverhelm I'm not sure this I'd the case as if you read the shooting rules only the front rank can shoot unless have a specific rule such as volley fire, I think if there was another shooting unit behind the quarrellers then the front rank of that unit would be able to shoot over the unit of quarrellers because of the large target rule.
Guys, I would highly appreciate some time tags in your battle reps! Unfortunately I don‘t have the time to stream the whole videos snd scrolling back and forth is quite hard to estimste where the game is. This little editing would be super welcome!
Only 30 mins or so in so I may be proven wrong but I think 5s to hit at lign range just makes Organ guns too unreliable to be good. Cannons and trollhammers seems like the way to go for monster hunting. Also, a brick of rangers makes from an amazing core unit. I am planning on taking 16 or more witha a rune smith as their load out makes them a terror to charge. Fully kit them out and they can take on most units at range followed up with a stand and shoot, before swinging a high number of great weapons at whatever makes it through their hail of throwing axes or bolts.
Why put the ruby ring of ruin on a mage when it could be on another character? Can a character cast more then one magic missile per turn if they know two different ones?
@@grlmgor You can can cast more than 1 bound per character, but you can only cast 1 bound spell in the same phase. That's why the Anvil of Doom can only ever cast 3 of it's 4 spells, because two of them are Enchantments and are cast in the same phase.
