Oregairu's OTHER Genuine Scene - Hayama Hayato & Expectations 

when Hayama was first introduced, I thought I would really hate him because the popular guys are never written in a good light in most stories. As you progress through Oregairu, you can see he genuinely cares for people and has his fair share of issues with keeping up with the expectations of everyone. I hope he gets more spotlight in s3 as I really like his character, but seeing we're finally focusing on the love triangle, it doesn't seem like we will any time soon.

I really need a 200IQ to get this anime

"I want something genuine" "That illusion was far from reality and foolish, yet beautiful. She and I both longed for something that genuine." "That why, the truth is... Something genuine, I never wanted it." The 3 lines that truly define our 3 main characters and their desires. Along with a certain upcoming scene, a full picture of themes is painted

When I first watched Oregairu, I honestly did not like it. I realize now that it's because I never understood it-and perceived scenes merely for what they were on the surface-never bothering to search for that richly-muffled subtext. For that reason, I am grateful for your videos. It made me realize just how much I missed in a lot of great shows I've once overlooked. A lot of those which later became my personal favorites (e.g. Hyouka, Revue Starlight, Liz and the Blue Bird) So, I've decided to pick up this series again-not with the expectation of adding it to my list of favorites-but to try understanding it just a bit more than before.

this anime taught me so much about fake ass people and real people. people who really do care. such a great series.

This 3rd season is being so freaking good omg

he cares too much of people, Hayato cares so much of people that he doesn’t want to hurt anyone and settles for half measures

Honestly Hayato and Haruno are such underrated characters in this series. For being supporting characters they have a surprising amount of complexity to them and are excellent drivers/foils for the main trio. Thank you for this amazing video!

Like you said at the end, I interpreted Hayato's struggle with the expectations placed from the people around him to be a much more negative one. To me, it felt like he wasn't being his own person and that he was trapped in a cycle of constantly trying to live up to the people around him, never once making a genuine decision for himself. But your interpretation definitely made me see it in a much more hopeful light. Can't wait for the end of Season 3 to absolutely wreck me... Great work btw! :)

The way i'm getting from Hayato throughout the entire anime was that he is a people pleaser.

I'm so happy I only recently discovered this anime and didn't wait 5 years for the next season to arrive because I was immediately hooked after season 1. I finished this anime literally yesterday. I have seen a lot of animes in my lifetime and hands down this series has become one of my favorite animes of all time. It's at least in my top 20 of favorite animes of all time. I thought it was so well done and I completely related with these characters. It's a masterpiece in my opinion.

Episode 1 = Hachiman and Komachi sad scenes and Kawasaki showing some emotions and "I love you" Episode 2 = Iroha starts the prom arc and Yui found something even I a Yukinon fan have teary eyes Episode 3 = Sensei ******* foreshadow Handsome Yukino in tailcoat and Yuigahama shining fabulously. Episode 4 = ?? This anime is packed with subtext that I who understand basic Japanese words could not keep up with all the time. Please do more episodes like this one. I'm ready to cry at the last episode of the anime, not because of a bad or good ending but because this anime holds a special place in my heart (along with food wars).

When the first episode of season 3 came out, I ended up starting it w/o noticing it was a third season. As soon as I did, I went back and watched the first season, which was fun, but didn't really feel that special. OH BOY did that change in the second season! I watched it all in a single night an caught up to the third one, and all of that is pretty much thanks to the incredibly methodical buildup during the second season as well as the change in dynamic w/o affecting any character's essence. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

Fantastic as always!

The subtext is absolutely crazy, the ending is going to be crazy.

man do i love your videos

ty for the en subtitles, really apreciate that cause i can understand a bit more, thanks bro

I always enjoy these analysis videos, especially on series that I really enjoy. All the social ques mixed in with themes that all stem from high school over complicates mild problems are just enjoyable for me.

Great to see you back man, hope your enjoying season 3 so far.

So insightful! Perfect to post know that season 3 is out too :^)

Now that the series is finally over, I can't wait to see your new analysis videos!

I would love to see an analysis of the last episode of season 2 and a thematic dissection of what season 3 brings once that's over. OreGairu is one of the best animes I've ever watched!

Came back here after 2 years and DAMN i have missed this channel. Gives you such a deep sense of what it means to be human and really makes you reflect on yourself despite the videos just discussing anime.

There is a crucial discussion left out of the anime that I believe gives Hachiman's real motivation for bothering Hayama during the marathon. Yukino said in the light novel there were two positions in the Hayama/Yukinoshita business partnership needing filling, a medical one on Hayama's side where mother has a clinic, and a legal one on the Yukinoshita side where currently Hayama's father is their corporate lawyer. But Yukino doesn't know which of those two Hayama or her are intended to fill, assuming that is parent's plan. Lack of proper communication between parent, mom who wears the pants in the family even though to outsiders the dad is the head of construction business and Diet representative, and child Yukino is implied in multiple places. Hayama as you said is hoping Yukino will seek him out for answer since she has been hostile to him for years over that thing similar to Rumi's situation that happened in their childhood where Hayama couldn't or wouldn't help. But Hachiman making a bridge to get an answer for Yumiko also helps Yukino; later in infirmary scene Hachiman directly asks Yukino what her career path will be... she says liberal arts, a change from her direction of following Haruno earlier in the series, even though Hayama indirectly admits he's going that way too. The reason for Yukino's choice has nothing to do with being lawyer, it is actually shown in volume 1, where Yukino's answer to a survey is shown. She said she wishes to do her father's work, that which everyone assumes Haruno will do as she is heir and face of family at functions. Much more on that subject is part of Season 3.

Another great video and analysis of Oregairu character, really loves your work a lot ! Can't wait to watch you talking about some S3 scenes (especially the one of the 2nd episode with Yui non-genuine scene)

thanks for confirming my thoughts about hayama. i felt it since the beginning

Honestly I love your break down of series especially shows like Snafu or Hyouka which have far more subtext than a casual viewer might realize. Please keep up the amazing work of breaking down key scenes which define characters and anime as a whole.

It's genius. Thank for this video

the character development in this anime is Freaking good, a perfect person in the surface had struggle deep inside, i mean everyone had their own struggle and Oregairu bring it out and display it like no other anime.... Credit to you in breaking down thus

I love ur videos

Amazing way to analize every sigle story. Im really exited about this 3rd season and what comes with it

More Oregairu videos plz

Oh my gooby, thank you for this analysis. I love this series, but it's been years since I've paid attention to it. I forgot about everything in season 2 between episode 8 and the finale. Turns out I was missing a lot. Maybe I forgot because I didn't feel Hayama was an important character, but especially with season 3 out, I really needed this analysis. Even just Hikigaya and Hayama meeting at the vending machines in the new season's second episode has so much meaning, especially that way that Hayama runs after Hikigaya for just a second and then keeps his distance. Can never be impressed enough with this show's writing and voice performance. Thanks, man. 🙏

I got to the video before the post notification

oh god I love this show started also reading the light novel and I love it

I hope you do more Oregairu videos now that season 3 is over!

Uh, i love this.

Tight video man, nicely done. I read the light novels, but honestly I never managed to precisely put my finger on Hayama, despite the fact that I had a rought idea about what his deal is. After watching this I feel like it all finally clicked, it's impressive that you mangaged to pick up on all that just by watching the anime. GG

I really enjoy your videos on Oregairu and this one is no exception. Thanks for another awesome video! A question for you and anyone else commenting: aside from making and/or watching videos like these, do you have any other avenues where you make or join discussions about anime you're watching? I've met a lot of anime-lovers over the years, especially nowadays as anime has grown in popularity. But I have yet to meet anyone that enjoys the small intricacies in voice acting, animation style, plot devices and so forth that make anime like Oregairu something truly special.

I wish I was bilingual to fully understand your explanations :(

If you read every title of every episode in order it tells you something

Oregairu is a masterpiece

Please make more videos about oregairu there are so many things I didn't get.

I have to say, as someone who is at the very center of Oregairu fandom and being able to listen to the opinions of countless people, your positive interpretation of the Hayama Hayato character was certainly refreshing. He is generally seen in a very negative light by the fandom because of his so called status as a "romantic rival" to Hikigaya, but also his negative actions during the Kyoto trip arc. Moreover, he gets even more undeserved negative reception for his actions which we are going to see during the rest of the story. It is good to see that at least one person is able to see past the protagonist's point of view, and realize that even Hayama Hayato is just a seventeen year old teenager who is burdened by all the expectations piled upon him. One criticism though, I would advise using fansubs instead of the official ones especially when analysing the Season 2 content of Oregairu. Official subtitles are severely lacking in some scenes, and they fail to convey the true meaning in some scenes causing misunderstandings. Most iconic example of this would be the last scene between Hikigaya and Yukinoshita during the last minutes of the Season 2 Episode 7. The fact that official subtitles fail to convey Yukinoshita (unknowingly) using the exact same words Hikigaya did when he was talking with Hayama a few episodes earlier almost completely removes the impact of the scene.

I always feel something between him and hachiman like a friendship that never show.. like they know each other the most (like but hate / hate but like) because they always have a deep talk

I'm so glad that you did an analysis on Hayato, he is such an underrated character or maybe underappreciated character. When i saw that scene he became my favourite character for a short while, because it finally hit me how much i can relate to both him as well as Hachiman, who unsurprisingly is my favourite character. It's also refreshing to see a more hopeful interpretation. Maybe because of my own struggles, it was hard to see it as anything other than negative for me, so i'm still not completely sold on your interpretation, but i'm hoping he will have more spotlight in s3 which would give more insight into it. Still, this video made me rethink my own interpretation and it was a pleasure to watch. I'm probably going to rewatch it again just to try and see other perspective better. Also, i'd love to see the 35 min version of the video, which you mentioned in one of the comments. Of course, you should stick to uploading videos that you yourself are satisfied with, but i just wanted to let you know that i don't mind the length as i'm sure many others would agree with that. Edit: I forgot to mention that your interpretation that Hayato actually likes Yukino really surprised me. For some reason, i had a hunch that he always liked Haruno and that Yukino's reaction was so serious because at one point she liked Hayato, but found out that he liked her big sister, which adds on to how she used to chase after her. Maybe a rewatch of the series might make it more clear for me, but him having a crush on yukino also makes a lot of sense.

Here since 2018, I'm angry you're not 1m yet

The Sangatsu no Lion OST in the background 😍

Thank you, I never understood why Hayato tought of himself as loosing to hachiman until now, that explains a lot

Damn here I was thinking Hayato's "Y" was referring to Yukinoshita Haruno, and how he was frustrated that she was never interested in him because she views his ability to be able to handle every situation thrown at him perfectly as something boring and predictable. Literally just rewatched the whole series before starting S3 and still missing stuff I guess. Also Saki now confirmed best girl after S3s cafe scene don't @ me or I will rain down unto you the fury of a thousand suns.

If you want to be happy, don't ever consider other people's expectations... Whatever they might be, other people's thoughts are irrelevant.

Can you do a vid for the season 3's confession scene? aka the climax

Hopefully you'd have post season review of oregairu climax

Man all i can say is that OREGAIRU is a masterpiece this lightnovel/manga/anime has a GENUINE place in my heart! ♥️

While watching Oregairu, I understood everything Hachiman proposed..Didn’t really relate to it, but that was the beauty of this show for me..Hands down the best MC ever for me

"I knew we never could've been friends." I'm almost certain is a call back to season one during the summer camp arc. Though I watched the dub so idk if the wording was changed during that episode.

Great analysis, you've given me closure on Hayato that Season 3 failed to 😅

please make a video about episode 13 of season 2 (finale) that would be really great so people can remember where the anime left off 5 years ago and understand it more! :)

HAYATO!

the problem with Hayato is that he doesn't want to risk his relationships to solve problems but in order to seek the genuine thing you have to take risks even if it hurts down the line. That's why he envies Hachiman cause Hachiman seeks the genuine thing and is doing whatever he can to seek it.

HAYATO

i want a short story or spinoff on Hayama, Hiratsuka Sensei and Haruno

With S3E8 released, would you break down the end scene of the ep where Hayato and Haruno exchange dialogue? The whole "Is that why you hate me?"

Season one was good... we didnt had to think much about any character then came season 2 which relied mostly on susbtext and gave so much more depth to characters especially Hayama who was just a hunk character in season 1

Honestly, oregairu has more plot planning than any other series

I hope you'd review Oregairu's last season after it is done.

I don’t exactly understand it but it sounds extremely exhausting and life draining 😰

More more more oregairu more more more videos Please

It's really hard when you only use English as a secondary language and you try to read the subtitles while trying to understand the subtext of this anime. lol

YEEEEES MORE OREGAIRU + PERSONA MUSIC

5:27 This scene does not suggest any person in the language at all, so there is no certain someone for Hayato. I think the English-sub is hugely inaccurate. 2:14 I imagine there is another reason Hayato refuses the rumor with seriousness. Remember the summer camp in season 1, there are scenes that suggest Yukino is a loner in elementary school and Hayato regrets not doing anything to help at the time. This time Hayato takes action to protect Yukino and Yukino thanks him for that.

Does someone know *when* does the Ova from season 2 actually happens? (where Iroha asks Hachiman for a date) I initially thought it was briefly after Zoku's ep 13, but seeing what has happened so far in season 3, I don't see that being possible so.... when does that happen then?

2:39 Yandere Yukinon

I need more 100IQ to understand this anime.

Aight after watching the video... I just realized that there was really one thing I missed from the material: the nuance between picking Sciences or Humanities. I just realized that if Hayato picks Sciences means that less people will be with jim and if he picks Humanities then otherwise happens. Kinda makes me frustrated not realizing this single detail. Edit: I'll also add this but I concluded that most or at least half of the reason why Hayato chose this decision of "answering everybody's expectation" is because of Haruno. We knew from the Anime that Hayato loves Haruno and it fits especially when knowing that Haruno also chose the same path. Just as Hayato, Haruno constantly puts on a mask to answer everyone's expectation. She becomes her family's golden child and answers their and everybody else's expectations about her. So, knowing that, Hayato chose to experience what Haruno experiences prove himself worthy of her. Honestly, this quality of his is really similar to Hachiman. They both get their decisions really influenced by their love. The scene on S1 where Hachiman was about to bash Sagami on the roof illustrates this. The scene where he monologues 'Yukinoshita did things her way. I will also continue so with my way'(paraphrased/forgot) illustrates it. (But, well, his thinking and Yukinoshita's thinking were still immature back then however that scene along with his contemplation when he realized he was idolizing her was just some romantic tidbits I love. )

Fuck Hayato!

is it just me or do i just love the anime bcs i dont understand a single thing is it wrong for me to seek a genuine answer to my q

Libera me from hell (aka perdition), please make us another Orangutan video now that S3 is over, o revered Saint Augustine

Back in season 1 or 2 (don’t remember) hayama said the person he liked had the letter “y” as their first initial in their name its yumeko right or Yui or yukino? I want to know!

Please open the can of worms that haruno is because I can't understand her for the life of me and nobody here minds the time limit , it can even be a 50 minutes video if you want.

Ik there's probably no good way to do this but its hard to listen to your videos with only audio (like listening to them while on a drive or the like) since a lot of the resources you call back on are only stated on the clip themselves (sub) and not restated or paraphrased so if you are only listening you miss out on a lot .

Wait so who does he end up with

How good are the story and plot?? I haven't watched this show yet.

I wonder when they started liking each other... Was it the evening after the Marathon? I know these are just the small details in the cryptic novel.. but idk why it keeps bugging me.. Uh!

Ah finally someone made a good analysis of my boi Hayato, he deserves the spotlight as much as Hachiman because he has it tougher than him in a way because of his social standing and family. I'm also really happy that you talked about Yumiko here because she IS REALLY important in the Genuine subject of Oregairu. It would be nice if you could make a video focused on her but you would have to talk about cut LN moments that were really important to motivate Hachiman. Like after the marathon, there was the second magnificent scene of Yumiko showing how she is one of the most genuine character of the show. I made a diaporama analysis about her: show.zohopublic.eu/publish/4ffcx1265eb4cff644a80aad0a39ac07288ff Maybe if you feel like making another character analysis ! Keep up the quality work

That awkward moment when Hayato likes Yumiko

I don't understand what does haruno want from hikigaya?

Anyone thinking of getting that 177013 shirt?

Wait so Hayato like Yukino?

h a y a t o wait wrong anime

first !!

persona 5

Is yukino liked hayato?

is the subtext this rich because the adaption does not include what is already discussed and explained in the novel? Or is it just the way this was intended to be? a lot of viewers blame feel studio for not including the "genuine thing" definition as if it was (im not sure) given in the novel. also a lot of people are angry that yukino's scenes in season 3 are cut and even calling Yui 'bitch'. I mean as a Yui ship i enjoy the anime a lot, sand i cant say just because its not a ink paper copy paste adaption therefor its bad.

I'm getting a more seared bite on the Impossible Whopper, than I'm getting on the actual Who- no no no no no no no no.... No please don't say that no no no... No. Nonononono. No no nono no no. NONO NO NONO NO NOOOOO. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not gonna trip. I wanted to come in a 100% hater. I'mma tell you off the top. I wanted to take a bite of this and be like 'ehhh nah nah it it'- I'mma just flat out say it; your Impossible Whopper BK, IS BETTER THAN YOUR ACTUAL WHOPPER BK. YOUR IMPOSSIBLE WHOPPER BK IS BETTER THAN YOUR ACTUAL WHOPPER BK. IT HAS A MORE SEARED TASTE. IT'S MORE OF A COOKOUT FLEX. IT JUST TASTES BETTER. Get over here. You get back in the bag. BK. That bite is so flavorful my m- and the fact that it works so well, it literally compliments the lettuce. Like I'm not even mad that I'm bittin' up, and I'm not even mad, that I'm eating lettuce right now and tomatoes. You can really taste the onion because the sear, on this plant based situation right here, it's so strong and you barely get onion but the onion's there so you get a crunch off it, with soft bun action and SBA? BK, YOU'RE ONTO SOMETHING, AND I LIKE WHERE YOU, YOU GOIN' BK, THE IMPOSSIBLE WHOPPER SON!

In the future, taking Liberal Arts means that Hayato will become PM of Japan, and although no evidence exists to support, it would not be unreasonable to think that the two familys, the Hayama's and the Yukinoshita's want to pair Hayato and Yukino. Why does Yukino want Hachiman to save her? from what?

In my thoughts, the one that Hayama is in love is Haruno, because almost all of the talks involve Yukino and Haruno as you can see in the episode 3 when they meet Orimoto at the restaurant with Haruno, he said that Haruno always messes up with the people she likes but destroys the one she hates but he can be useful they keep interacting with him and also because of family matters

Did the budget drop this season ? They kinda looking like card board cut outs with a realistic background

Wait, The legendary "Y" confession isnt Yukonoshita Haruno but Yukino itself? Then why was Hayato referring to 8man that "she is intrigued by you" at season 1 and why did he follow Haruno's orders without even knowing the details? To me his scene of bringing 8man to a higher pedestal against his past schoolmates , was an attempt to not only to self gratify but to be noticed by Haruno even for once.

Pls tell me.. does yukino's mom keep forcing her to marry hayama? (as i heard on internet). Its fine if she simply just wants her to be with hayama, or simply thinks of an arranged marriage without forcing it on her; but not shit like forcing her go on a date or a prom with him/ forcing her sto be alone in a room/ making her go to amusement park or movie with him/ making them watch firecracker alone/ forcing their marriage and shit. I just had my first break up, and watching stuff even remotely close to ntr burns my stomach very badly. Pls, reply, people who saw the whole show.