Pick up your Orient watch here: amzn.to/2DpC5nb Opening the case of my New Orient Ray II. Taking a look at the new F69-22 from Orient, and a little more.....
If says Made in japan is becasue everything is made in japan, sot a sigle screw is made outside, and orient is fully made in house,, not like seiko..that buy many part s to orient factory
It's nice to see that the movement is decorated even though the watch doesn't have a see through case back. That's the kind of things you only see in higher end watches.
The movement was actually very nice looking, definitely an upgrade visually from previous models. Just just didn't talk about it as much because of the sticker;-0. This is the world we live in, Chinese are making a case to a specification that must be met, and they are doing a pretty darn good job!
As others have said, I'm not entirely surprised. I'm sure they are still assembled and regulated in Japan before shipment though. I've had my Ray for nearly 3 weeks. The last time I set the watch was over 2 weeks ago and it is running only 5 seconds slow. What ever Orient are doing - please may it continue!
thye ahve a huge quality control bought an orient ,, bought moine with guarantee, let it fall on the floor but kept tiking,, however i send it for a revision, telling them watch was no precise anumore, :) with said everything was ok. put the watch at same time my quartz, and the end of the day, they have the same time difference is 2sends,a round it.
@@SilentShadow07 Orient factory sell aprts to many watches brands including seiko,, of course they made everything in hosue it the only brand i know that do it. becasue their autonomous factory is huge, they do everything. i like both japaneses brnads like i like some swiss.
Thanks for the video, Aron! Do not be surprised. This is just 200$ watch, and even in such a price, the movement is made in Japan! For instance, I really liked Seikos, but I've got really disapointed with them. They not just casing their watches in Malaysia or whatever, but their movements are also not tracable where are made. The quality is not as the old one Seikos. I had some Seiko 5 sport with 4r36 movement, and after less than an year just stopped ftom nothing. No bangs or so ever things. I moved the hands and the watch started again. When I looked trough the case back glass sow some partickles of dirt on brand new watch!! I have Orient M-force completely made in Japan written on dial, case back, and is 300€. You can have also Orient Star for a bit more also completely made in Japan. The accuracy is outstanding - + 9 to 12 sec/day. The Seiko was jumping from +40 to + 8 (at least) every day withaout chages in temperatures or positions. Seiko got greedy and their watches are going to worse, but Orient keeps producing great and quality watches!
I would like to give my opinion here. TAG does the same thing as Orient, but TAG charges ten times the price. That's a ripoff. However, I must first admit, I admire and own Rolex watches, and the value of a Rolex is what you pay. Some say most of a Rolex watch, retail, is paying for advertising, the name, big profits. I recently bought a brand new Rolex several months ago and it only depreciated about ten percent. No other watches and watch companies can compare to that. And in ten years that same Rolex will be at the cost I paid and probably more. Not many things we buy these days do that. They usually end up in the garbage. Fixing that Orient watch, or servicing it, isn't worth the cost it will get tossed out.
I'm planning on buying the Orient Ray Raven II and this doesn't put me off one bit. The F6922 movement is a huge improvement on these new Ray series. Handwining and hacking and an inhouse Japanse automatic movement for around $180,- is a freaking steal! Thanks for being so brave and opening your watch, hope you put it back with the seal intact!
This should NOT put you off. Orient is the best bang for buck brand on the market in this price range. These are excellent watches regardless of where the case is manufactured. I've got the older movement in two of mine, and this new F60-22 in a Mako and a Ray. Both run incredibly accurate. Thanks for watching and commenting! ! Have a good one.
the guy is an idiotic human being orients are produced in japan totally, if they say made in japan.nothing comes from china this is jsut a iditic joke. about the movement you dont buy such quality with 180 so i advise you buy a a olex,, or another garbage,, with that reliability and precison you will ahve pay much more, yo will not find it.
"Japan Mevement" and "Made in Japan" are two different things. If you need a Orient completely assembled at home, I mean a true "Made in Japan" of their internal market, you should check the engraving in the back and "Japan" or "Japan BK" and similars at 6. I got two of my 4 Orient with these feautures, but all of them work well. Also remember: sometimes "Swiss Made" lies more than "Japan Mov't", because only 50-80% of the watch is actually made in Switzerland :)
me neither, caught me off guard a bit. Sooo many cases are made in China nowadays it not really that big of a surprise. Movement is nice looking. Cheers
@@OFD If says made in in jap+an not a sigle peice is made in china.. otherwise factory would have to pay millions.. japaneses law is very restric, if says made in japan everything have to be produced in japam theya re not corrupts like you. thsi video is jsut idiotic, its a joke soeme tards dont understand it.
There was once a time that "made in Japan" was associated with cheap and low quality but over the years they have switched that image completely around. I'm sure something similar will happen to "made in China" at some point.
I recently got the Orient kamasu (mako/Ray 3). I got the Japanese domestic version in redx uses the same movement as in the mako 2 or Ray 2. But every part I've been told. At least main part is made or finished in Japan and the quality is amazing plus the fact I can change the days from English to Japanese kanji makes it look amazing with the beautiful red sunburst Dail. I got it of ebay for around 260 dollars. The seller agreed to ship as a 35 dollar gift so no tax. Compared to the non jdm orients it seems the bezel is more lined up but I did ask the seller to check. And got some reason my watch it may be a second slow or fast during the day but at the same time every night it's exactly the same plus or minus one second kind of crazy. But if I see its a second fast I rest it on its side when I sleep and if its a second slow I put it flat if I do this then then it's only out a second or so or bang on. Back says made in Japan, I never got Orient before as no sapphire. Not sure if jdm are regulated better. The only downside to the kamasu is the movement holder is now plastic. But that's it. I would recommend the Orient kamasu jdm to anyone as best bang for buck. But Chinese quality can be amazing I have made watches with seagull eta clones that are much more accurate than some of my eta movement watches. Most Swiss brands buy cases from China. Swiss made only means 60percent of the cost is Swiss so movement and labour. Made In Japan has a much more stricter definition. Swiss made means nothing these says unless your spending big bucks. And a lot of seikos movements are not even made in Japan. Not sure how they get away with marketing it as a japanese movement. Orient is seiko Epson and seiko watches are a Co oetely different company. The only thing I can tell is that either seiko let's Orient use their shock system (or the patent is run out). And that seiko supply Orient with the same lume or at least they are almost the same.
The Chinese are also making plenty of cases for the Swiss also a Swiss Made label on the watch requires only 60% of the value of the watch be made in Switzerland. The Chinese are actually very good at making watch cases, dials. and bands. I would be upset if the movement was Chinese and case was made in Japan.
Orient has a very huge tecnological factory in japan, they dont need cases from china.. theys ell quality aprts adn cases to all the world including seiko or even china.. orient is a huge factory... becasue they produce everything thas why its cheap... i call orient the asiatic rolex. I repair them if you look carefully there are many similar thing beteween an orient and a seiko.Becasue orient is a very techological and hiuge factory, llok like the msot probality is theys ell aprts to seiko. According to japanese law, if says made in japan, every aprts must be produced in japan, you cant put made in japan and buy china glass, you woulg get a ticket of millions.
Even the almighty Omega has been busted using china parts. Unfortunately it seems that is a fact of life now and doesn't surprise me one bit especially in this price point of watch.
Swiss made on the dial only means a Swiss movement and 60% or more of the value of the watch is "Swiss Made" meaning up to 40% of the watch may not be Swiss.
Surprisingly nice rotor weight. I need to replace my Ray 2 case back and am now thinking of getting a glass one. Do you know if this is possible. Also did you get measurements on the case back by any chance?
I like how you're careful with the watch when opening it. Many other brands are producing their cases in China, which is no big deal as long as they are quality stuff.
I'm not sure where it's cased is anything to worry about. I've got that movement (renamed a YN-55 for use in non-Orient watches) in a couple of San Martins. Completely Chinese made. Fantastic build quality and excellent time keeping from that Calibre. Its a great non-nonsense movement and very similar to the Seiko NH3x movements. Enjoy your watch !
You're absolutely correct. This was when there was a lot of chatter about Orient being 100% in house. No surprise really, and absolutely no big deal 😎😎👍👍
Wouldn't be surprised if it's been that way for awhile. Still a great barg, timekeeper, etc, but not fully "in house ". I doubt much really is anymore. Thanks
Nah, me too, doesn't bother me, probably just the initial shock, and that it's a flimsy sticker, and not even engraved with Made In China, but hey, as we all know, the Chinese ultimately can do good work, it's just cheaper to manufacture there, and plenty of the things we ultimately enjoy on a daily basis are from China, whether we like to admit it or not.
My iPhone tells great time. I wonder where that was made? However, my three Orients are beautiful and fairly accurate. Got all three for less than $500; yet, they are scratch free and I wear my Ray2 to work daily in some of the harshest conditions possible or imaginable. I love this brand’s designs and movements. I will only collect Orients; though I’m a fan of the Grand Seiko’s movements, and would like to own one-I have yet to settle on a case design. My “grail” watch would be a PP but I really love Royal Orients, I am not able to find the style I enjoy, seeing they’ve been discontinued.
My orient WV0031UZ neo 70 quartz that I bought in yodobashi camera Kyoto has a made in Japan written at the back. It cost me about 12 thousand yen(roughly 112USD)
True, I don't really think it's an issue. Sticker surprised me a bit. I opened an older Ray I had at one time and there was no sticker. Maybe that one was a fluke. Regardless, great watches and it doesn't bother me at all. Thanks for watching and the comments! ! Cheers
orient is chepa cause thy have a huge tecnological factory in japan os why buy garabge from china??? they do everything and theys ell parts to everywhere. If says made in japan , not a single screw is from china,, oterh wise they would ahve get a ticket of milllions.. japana re very restric with their law.
Putra Ramadhan Absolutely acceptable. We would probably be shocked to find out how may parts for the big boys are made in China (Breitling, Omega, etc). Cheers
are you tard or what?? orient are cheap and good cause they are made ina huge factory in japan orient factory do everything.. thas why is cheap.. If says amde in japan is everything amde in japan, thas their law, if screws are from china and you put in the watch you go to jail and problem of millions ina ticket.
@@cristianmicu Da, dar Orient este sub umbrela Epson ( de unde și Epson mai nou pe capac ) iar Epson este total separată și independentă față de celelalte companii din corporație.Asadar , ce vrei sa insinuezi ?
Even iPhones are assembled in China, I think 😊 Love my black Ray I. That may be a way for us to enjoy such great wristwatches (for their $) on a budget. Important is also a good quality control. What's your opinion on the Ray II compared to the Ray I ? I find the day separate crown gives this watch its main source of "charisma" 😊 Cheers and thank you for the nice video.
Nuno MC Agree! I actually love the Version 1 of the Ray. The main crown feel so much better, & as you stated, date pusher added a lot of charisma. Both excellent watches no doubt. I have absolutely no problem with this case being mfg in China. Many parts for big name watch Company are made in China. Cheers! !
Ok please talk me off the window ledge...come on Who gives a damn where the case is from?...at least it's all metal and well done...the movement is Japan and that's the really significant thing I think. Cheers.
You still get an in house made in Japan mechanical auto movement and that is a great value already. In this price range, even seiko can only offer a watch completely made outside of Japan even movement and no one is having an issue with that.
Very true. I even say in the video "Seiko does the same thing". This video was made when people on the blogs, forums etc said Orient was 100% in house. BTW, check out my latest review on the Orient Triton. Cheers 😊
I think years ago, they make 100% made in Japan orient watch. Looks like they wanted to level up their affordable watch. Giving more value without dramatically affecting the price. My orient ray 2 doesn't have made in Japan printed on it instead it just says Japan movement then my other orient quartz that I bought from Japan has made in Japan printed on the back. So I guess the clue is when it claims to be made in Japan then it's probably 100% made there. And btw, my new orient now says epson on the back instead of orient watch co ltd.
Greetings from Ireland. Nice to finally see the inside of one. It looks like good quality no matter where it's made. I'm going to get a Ray 11 or a mako 11, which do you think is the best movement's.
Hey Bernard! Thanks for watching. The F60-22 is a great movement they use in both the Ray II and the Mako II. Biggest difference between these two is the fact that the Ray has much more intense lume. You will enjoy either one. Thanks. and you have a beautiful country there Ireland!
Its $170 dollar watch. So what if the case is made in China. The case is 90% aesthetics anyway, and it looks great. Ive had a Ray II for 2 years now and its amazing for the money. And the movement is good quality, in-house. Which is really the most important thing
MagicRising I highly doubt it. This is in their higher range, ISO rated, and the case design is highly touted by them. I'm not 100% sure, but don't think so. Seiko does the same thing on many versions.
Jakenova I actually opened one of those. I didn't have the marking. I thought it was BS until I opened this one. No matter to me honestly. So many watch cases are produced wonderfully in China.
Aron Dunlap Yeah I agree, it's the QC that matters at the end of the day. I have the previous one and I actually like that pusher, it gives the watch a bit of uniqueness
I agree, if you read through comments, this about everyone "at the time" thinking Orient was 100% in house. Hilarious, someone must have posted this old video somewhere. Getting lots of hits for almost 2 years old. Cheers
Aron Dunlap I nearly forgot to say same goes for Seiko's. People usually prefer "j" versions, though quality of case and movement is almost the same in j and k versions.
Lots of Chinese parts Swiss too. The Chinese ship Billions of dollars/year in watch components to Switzerland too. I doubt they are just burying them. Plus the loop holes in content rules are more then just percents. There are tricks to make a overseas parts higher local content, then you can increase local content number.
I havr to say that even though the case is chinese, still the quality control of orient is excellent!!! I have a bambino small seconds and though its a dress watch i ended up putting it in a engineer bracelet and i put it through hell and works better thank some of the watches that have coste me over 1000 bucks. True value for your money!!
Hey aron, I need your help please! I dropped my orient (cal F6T22, very similar to this one) from a short distance, and it's working just fine but I noticed a loose piece (because it's open heart and it has a display case back). The piece is easily discernible in your video - this is the one I'm referring to: imgur.com/a/gvMKjfZ. The watch works fine and it seems it just need the tiny screw to be tightened.. I don't know.. do you know what's that piece for? Should I be worried?
take to a shop for someone tha understnad and see it, if is something easy he will help with no money even needed, he could change the seal if necessary ask for it,, -
Stop talking about how good Orient watches are.Most Orient watch owners and collectors already new this.It’s one of the better kept secrets out there..🕑
I think that you may have taken me too literally in asking you to stop talking about Orient watches, I was just kidding with the comment , but they are great watches and the video was really good....
The case is just a hunk of steel. It was designed by Orient and commissioned to the Chinese to fabricate them cheaply. The movement is what matters. This allows people like me to be able to afford a luxury quality time piece for a fraction of the cost. Imho
Absolutely. This is a pretty old video. At this time, it was being said that Orient was 100% in house mfg. I just did this because I had heard rumors. I love Orient, have many. As a matter of fact, I'll be looking at the Triton JIS rated diver from them. Cheers.
Knightlore10 This was during a time when people were saying Orient was 100% in house. So, it was,a little surprise. These are absolutely wonderful watches, and I have no problem with the case being mfg. In China. Cheers 😊👍
Most watches have Chinese in them some place or even all Chinese. No bad thing if the QC is 100. Look at new cars..chinese parts I bet you. Doesn't matter to me. I've got one love it! accurate beautiful dial no bezel problems and accurate . Isnt that the point of spending our hard earned cash. If it works well looks good and is reliable...then it's a steal. Well done Orient! I'm a fanboy!!😁😁
I'm LMAO at the state of the lettering on the inside of the case. It looks like it's been painted by a drunk with a yard broom. It kinda illustrates the difference between the pride of the artisan and those who don't give a crap. You would think if you could be arsed enough to put such a notice inside a watch, you would at least do a decent job, laser-etched or something. Not a good look on an Orient.1:53
as long it says MAde in japan,, its all ok. according to their law, they cant include a single item, even a screw made outside in their watches... other wise they ahve to remove the made in japan.. its their law.
Hey, guys! For those of you who have the F69 Orients, please tell me how these movements are keeping decent time after years of wearing. I'm between buying a Seiko 5 SNZG 15 with a 7s36, and a Bambino with a hacking and handwinding movement. I know the Seiko does great in time, just like my Mako I, but the newer 4r36 as far as two colleagues of mine say, kind of falls behind 30 secs per day after some years of use. Any such experiences with the newer Orient movements?
More precise and reliable than my rolex.. that i sold later. I hav a banbino v2 , a version with 4 years i bought new. Got no luck with it, i ddi put on my right hands so in days i was hitting a wall ahrd with it... so swapped to the other hand,, miracously the cristal has not a single scratch. In same moth i left it fall on the flooor,, if kep tiking and precision is the same.. in a week you ahve the same time works like a quartz.. at weekend i remove it,,
I have not removed the stem on one of these. Generally there is a small hole in the movement plate either above or below where the stem shaft goes into the movement. Using a toothpick or pin tool will allow you to depress the release and remove the crown and stem.
Just get some IPA and a cotton bud, and remove the print.... That's what I did anyway.... I feel like it cheapens the watch a little bit otherwise.... Plus only I'd ever know 😂
I feel the Orient watch is very lovely and also good performance watch. The Japanese own movement inside. Very low cost mechanical. No surprise to use China made case for a cost. Good or bad, in these days, most of goods are made in China. If we want to buy 100% Japan made, we need to pay bit more!
I am old watch collector. I didn't know we have this level low cost, but good quality of watch until recently. See a lot of changes in this market. Anyway, I love good mechanical watch!
It's a shame you didn't show us how to adjust the movement while you were in there. My Ray II runs 17 seconds fast per day, which for me, is unacceptable.
leanderian during night, try to leave him "resting" with the crown down and check the accuracy. If the effect is opposite, try with the crown up. Sometimes we regulate this "normal grade" calibers for a good precision in one position and they get worse while on the wrist. COSC amongst other things, demands a stable deviation on several positions. Cheers
This is supposed to be shocking? Really? The movement is made in Japan in one of Orient's assembly plants, but the case is made in China. Oh the shock and horror that an Automatic watch selling for less than $200 has a Chinese sourced case! NOT! I know of Swiss branded watches that do the same, and they cost a hell of a lot more. What is pleasing about this, is that the movement isn't housed in a plastic surround, which is highly uncommon at this price point!
Scott MacKenzie Thanks for watching! It wasn't really that shocking, as I mention in the video, Seiko does the same thing. I used the music and drama opening because there was a lot of forum banter of "completely in-house" at the time with these models. Believe it or not, I've received a ton of hate from some people because they think I faked this video! ! Cheers :)
Well, dramatic music quest aside, I still gave the video a like! Until now, I didn't really know what the new 22 jewel movement in my Blue Ray II looked like! I have a Symphony with the exhibition caseback, so I know how the old non-hacking non-winding 21 jewel movement looks. The new movement is gorgeous, especially when you consider the price point! So thanks for that!
I doubt you can find very many things available for sale in the US that have no components or parts from China. In fact, many of the higher-end "Swiss Made"watches use components made "somewhere other than Switzerland."
So, the case is made in China? Eh, so what. It still has to pass Orient's QC, which is excellent. Everyone loves Orient for the value their watches provide and THIS is a huge reason as to how they do it. And, they're not the only ones doing it, by far. I just bought a $500 Triton (Neptune these days), and I'd expect exactly the same situation if I were to crack my case open. Still don't care.
Great video Aron.. There tends to be a view if it's Chinese then it's garbage which is way off the mark. There's a lot of good stuff coming out of China to. The majority of seiko are made out with Japan to keep prices down. Lots of the micro brands use Chinese companies to produce their divers and many are great watches.
It's all good. Great watch no matter. When I did this a couple years back, everyone was say Orient was 100% in house......even Seiko uses China for stuff. Enjoy your watch. I still love all my Orient watches!!
the movement is made in Japan, so that's fine. the being made in China is no big deal, same story with most microbrands anyways at this price point. this video was nice cuz we ge tot see inside but it was more of take the caseback off than showing the movement haha made in China equals less expensive so there ya go.
