Orphan (2009) and Orphan First Kill (2022): Understanding Esther 

Ohhh, true true

And Baby Doll from Batman: The Animated Series if you make it more PG

Spot on!

Poor Claudia 😢

And sprite from the ethereal comics

I love how they played maniac when she was driving. That's an awesome scene 👏 😀 👌 😎

Hmm maybe but we are doing the mental work that writers should have done

@@antiheroines-you-love oh true! I definitely don't think it's a masterpiece, they could've done a lot better... but that was my line of thinking!

I just finished First Kill, OMG that twist 👏🏿

@@antiheroines-you-love it’s no mental work though? Your mental gymnastics of an assumption that her FIRST KILL as Esther would be as polished as it was in the first? THATS a ton of mental work for an argument that makes so little sense it hilarious. Lol I think you were either high when you wrote this essay or you don’t know a prequel comes first.

@@triciacarey2288 thanks for being so sassy just cause i have a different take on a very subjective thing

Don't forget: she actually killed Daniel in the original script and they just change that in the last minute. The infamous "alternate ending" where Esther survives was also the original one, to leave the doors opens for a sequel. The bad reception of the test audiciende was a major part of change some of this stuff.

@@quiver5756 Yes, the original script would've made Orphan a lot better. It's still an underrated film. The original script makes Esther more darker imo. I would love to see how adults would've reacted with a 9 year old talking about pleasing a man.

​@@supratrd900I agree

Her name is spelled "Leena" not Lina

We all gotta grow up sometime kid. Men pursue careers, women maintain families, you have a job to do.

​@@lamardays883men can persue careers as well as maintain families, the same for women. Your point of view is trash because gender roles are bulshit

@@lamardays883meaningless platitudes delivered grandpa-style by an internet stranger minimizing the struggles of a person you’ve never met on a year old post. Quite cringe of you

@@lamardays883 what's her "Job"

I agree I was rooting for Esther this whole film too.

Marketing it's a business. Esther sounds cooler to me.

​@CipherRage-tp5qla short series would be cool

In other countries the first one is named esther at least in France

Thank you for being so nice💖

New one is sht

Agreed. I think first kill should've been 2 hours just like the original instead of only being an hour and 40, it should've shown more of Esther up to her antics with the family and especially after the twist because as soon as that revelation occurs there's only like 30 minutes left of the film and what we do see is only about 30 minutes before it is over. This is all the more important because in the first film, nearly all of the screentime is Esther with the family, and it's 2 hours whereas with first kill we see Leenas escape from the Saarne Instituute and only then does she infiltrate the family so not only is there less time for her to mingle with the family due to the films length, but there's also another segment that is completely unrelated to the Albrights.

Thank you for saying i'm articulate ahhaha, when i read the comments you are all way smarter than me with my limited vocabulary

One possibility is that Esther did indeed get adopted by a family called the Sullivans whose house burned down, but that would raise eyebrows, i mean, 2 houses that had the same little girl living within both burning down within 2 years, even with Esther's child persona that would be at least slightly suspicious. Or the Albrights were the Sullivans and the writers for some reason decided to change their name, but even so sister Abigail said in the first film that the fire was arson but in first kill the fire is started by a stove being left on. This plot hole regarding the families and their names really needs explaining.

@@rockyant3414 I think that the movie takes place before the Sullivan incident prior to the first movie. First Kill happened, then "Esther" got adopted by the Sullivan's and killed them, then the events of the first movie happened.

@@rcspeedy8109 You're right that could be true. Unfortunately the directors haven't provided any information about this. One thing about the Sullivans coming after the Albrights though is the suspicious nature of the same "little girl" being in 2 house fires over 2 years, that is bound to raise a few eyebrows. However Esther could've somehow redacted this info as Sister Abigail and the staff at St Marianas think that Esther was originally from Russia, when her official identity is Esther Albright from Darien Connecticut. This theory seems more plausible than the Albright's in First Kill somehow being the Sullivans and the names were mixed up in Orphan 2009.

I didn't have any expectations too and thought it would never be made

12?😂😂 girl

@@Zombina638 I watched it when I was 12 too and worse horror films like the Hostel, Saw, and Wolf Creek movies, lmao. A bit of an odd child.

@@Zombina638 my dude i watched WAYY worse stuff when i was under 12

maybe you should stop watching horror movies

Yeah and it turned out that she was 6 at that time because she took a test recently to determine her age at the time

Me too! Do you know any other similar channels by any chance?

@@moonlitshadows Yhara Zayd is pretty similiar to her content!

Has pretty similiar content! **

I know that one and I love her too haha

Me too!!!

That's sad

Oh oh I was thinking of reading Bones and All, is the book good? Really loved the recent trailer for the movie

@@antiheroines-you-love Seriously....I strongly recommend B&A. That novel's extremely dark but so well written. This novel shocked me, disturbed me, mesmerized me, haunted me, entranced me and then finally, ripped me apart and I still have a raw emotional wound afterwards 😭 I'm also still waiting for Luca Guadagnino's movie adaptation of B&A and I know that that movie will intensify my feelings times 1000.

It was fantastic! 💯

Thank you so much, i like editing more than actual talking and writing the script....

Well you always do a great job bringing your opinions into words, love what you do ❣️

They take time and I'm insecure

The Take channel did a great take on Kathryn's side of the Cruel Intentions story. Check it out if you haven't seen it already. This channel also needs to cover Gingersnaps.

It honestly is and I watch it when I go to sleep which says something! 💯

That last sentence....i'd too

So true but your eyes get used to it ahah

Natalia Barnette, if you look over the videos about the case. Your not sure 😕 how old she is or if you believe the adoption parents 🤔 it's so bizarre.

@@dominques.c.4237 I believe her. It’s a very odd case, and quite easy to fall down the rabbit hole of

There was 2 cases like that, one before the movie that probably inspired it (East of Europe with abuse and proof) and one after the movie which what others are referring here. Nut the second one isn't really proved, and most likely to be the adoptive parents that freaked out

She didn't learn empathy because the facilities who rescued her are also doing worse to her

Seen the poster, never watched it though, maybe I'll check it out

@@antiheroines-you-love it’s so good definitely worth watching and hopefully making a video on

@@antiheroines-you-love it’s foxfire omg I’m sorry

I love that movie

You could argue Orphan First Kill is that as the tone seems a lot more comedic compared to the first its like if Tom and Jerry were humans .

I really want to, waiting for the whole trilogy to come out

​@@antiheroines-you-loveOh, I can't wait for you to talk about those films!

Ikr it's so obvious She looks older in the prequel. It would have been hard to get a different actor that looks like exactly like her, but taking her face from the first movie would have been a really good idea. Just think of it as She got better at makeup to make her look more like a kid with a second family I guess.

@@bamgyvu having watched a couple more videos I came to understand they used a forced perspective instead of CGI. 🙄😮‍💨

@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 yeah they should've used a lot of cgi and ai, would've helped 😞

She was a child. They proved it in court. The Americans were neglectful monsters who wanted a little doll instead of a sexually abused, critically disabled child.

You reek of narcissism--lack of empathy, purposely working with abused kids when you deeply hate and resent them--i shudder to think what you did to those children.

If a movie is enough to validate your negative biases, then that says more about you as a person than the movie itself. People can make whatever they want and shouldn’t be worried about one’s personal contrived thinking.

I think there is the responsibility of the artist and the responsibility of the audience. Split is a good movie. It is good to watch. But at the same time it is a fantasy. Literally one of the guy's alters is the "Beast" who cam climb on walls. The artist never claims this fantasy is a representation of DID. While there were some accuracies but keep in mind when it comes to television. Things will be dramatize or fantasize. The audience came in and left the movie with "This is a representation of D.I.D. This is what it is." When I watched The Orphan I didn't have the thought "This is what a representation of physical/genetic disorder. This is a what person with physical/genetic disorder is." I watched numerous times when I was a kid. Never once did I thought of that. If you went to theories theaters to watch "The Orphan" "Split' and etc. With "Yhis is a representation of _____ and how a person with this is. " Then are you mature enough to distinguish reality vs fantasy? If not then maybe it says more about you than writers, producers, actors who worked on the film.

Let's think even more broadly, being on the internet is wasting time

And yet you bothered posting a comment? XD You're wack

​@@antiheroines-you-loveTruth, lol.

​@@antiheroines-you-loveI think u making things up that doesn't exist

No i don't think so?

How?!