Our Lives Are A Mess - Safety Third 61 

i'm glad nigel is back, if he missed twice I was going to file a formal complaint

whenever nigel's not talking we all know he's looking at dad joke posts

Kevin: “I can trim the trees with a laser I think” News Report: “Florida man causes California wildfire, blames RU-vid influencers”

the stereo audio conversation is literally one of the greatest running gags in any podcast ever

nigel is admittedly the people's darling but the show is at it's best when all four of you are here :) great episode

I love reading the whiteboard behind allen “Fixing the worst childhood” lmao

3:56 Nigel starts talking

I like when Kevin and Allen are both telling stories at the same time, will responds to both of their stories

Arborists are extremely expensive, but they're also super skilled and have specialty tools so they don't destroy anything or injure anyone while they work. The same cannot be said for regular people trimming trees lol, there are some baaaad horror stories

14:11 Nigel just dying inside xD

4:41 guys, the REASON Nigel is a thirst trap is his porcelain skin, quiet sense of humour and calming voice…

Welcome to the Nigel Thirst Podcast 🌼

allen being so excited about organising makes me really happy

That quote seems pretty accurate for that many trees. I paid a little over 1k to clean up a single eucalyptus tree a few years back.

Kevin: Use a laser. William: Flash back to house burning down.

I love they just now noticed Alan has had legal eagal RU-vid videos in the background for several of these. It's clearly genius level marketing to try and convince Devin from Legal Eagal to come on the podcast by saying they have been advertising for him lol

3 mins in Nigel is already distracted

I think this is a very special episode. I especially love how everyone talking over each other, each and everyone having his own monolog from around 10:00 to 14:00. I love it. Truly authentic for the podcast

"I just looked up a tree falling over and every picture is of a tree falling over" William Osman 2023

Allen's story about his college time are so relatable. I am basically living in a house from the 1900s and our heater failed 5 times this winter. With basically no isolation, wood on wood window frames, the whole flat was barely above 10°C. Also the heater only fails on fridays afternoons, so it takes till Monday to contact a contractor, which we are not allowed to do otherwise we had to pay. All in all not great, but we are just wearing hoodies and caps. Love the podcast!

Gum trees don't just fall over regularly, they also have a habit of dropping large limbs either when it's windy AF, or in the middle of summer on a perfectly still night. They're great!

My dad took me to Toronto once and we saw them trimming trees with a giant chainsaw suspended from a helicopter. Sounds like an interesting video idea of Wills issue 🤣

I'm re-listening this one cuz nigel is never on anymore

Finally, Nigel's back! I couln't stand all those other guys in the last one, what a RU-vid decision to make the podcast without him

Allen: "How are we still talking about this?" He is all of us. 🤣

Hi safety third team! Love the content, just wanted to say something regarding one of today's topics: leasing from a stueldent housing complex. I worked as Front desk staff (tour guide, mail clerk, leasing agent, calls) at my complex in college and it was actually managed by one of the biggest student housing companies. Actually, I went to college in FL so it could even be that the company from the complex in Kevin's experience (@49:00) is the same. The biggest issue with the whole model is what's referred to as "turnover". See student housing complexes make one-year leases to mimic the college calendar so that hopefully students will move in at the beginning of the school-year, and move out at the end. The biggest problem with this model is that as opposed to a people moving in and out through out the year, which means that as a unit is vacated, you inspect it, trash it (charges to res), repair any damages (charges to res), new coat of paint and clean (all of this is what we call turnover or "turn"). Instead, EVERYONE moves in at once and out at once. the reason why the first year of the contract is a bit weird and the first month starts on the 20th or so is because from the last day of month before (move-out day) until moving day, EVERYDAY, from 6:45AM to 10-11PM, Mon-Sun, we are "turning" apartment units. You might think they get a special team to do it or maintenance but due to the structure, the year-round maintenance staff is nowhere near big enough. For those weeks they hire a bunch of people and everyone from front desk to management is required fo work those hrs. We get meals and some snacks, kind of a bonding experience like what I imagine going through bootcamp feels like; mentally breaking. It's also an expensive endeavor to hire the required staff to do this things since they need to be done in that window of time. So, as someone who became best friends with all the staff at my property. I know they weren't trying to rob anyone but corporate does expect that all the costs of repairs will be covered by the tenants and they put that on the lease and going through the numbers with my bookkeeper $50/trash bag was about right to pay all the people we needed to get to handle all the trash from a lot of messy college students. The policy for all roommates being charged, has to do with the weirdness of trying to lease individual rooms of an apartment (If your roommate had claimed that the trash in the living room was his, maybe because you contacted him, they would have charged it entirely to him. Otherwise they can't know and must legally split it equally) I also know that becaus the leases are based around the school year, evene if your roommate did move out a bit earlier, all leases run from August till end of July and if he moved out before the summer he either was sub-leasing illegally or he re-let (transfered the remaining part of his lease to somone else) Either way his lease would have actually ended at the end of July. Assuming it was legal, it's the usual turnover process but actually done by the maintenance team since those happen way more scarcely and it's also only in the room where a new person is moving in (anything that might need fixing in the common areas is fixed but nothing is thrown away as it is assumed to be property of the other residents in the apt unless it's rotten food or something like that, but it COULD just not have been rotten when they fixed up the unit and then nobody ever threw it out because it was your old roommates and everyone was grossed out by it, I get it I'm just lyk another college student getting paied min wage and working overtime probably had to be the one throw it out amongst many other worse things that day. Ultimately they COULD just not charge as much and pay more of the repairs out of pocket but (they=corporate) the sad thing is that other apartment complexes won't do the same, which means their competitors sticker price would look better and soon they would stop doing it. I'm not saying it's a good system but what people actually don't know must of the time is that nobody in the staff is usually ever trying to bs you or take advantage of you. TL; DR: Worked in a student housing complex like the one mentioned in the ep, while in college. At least in the case of the property I worked for, managers are just trying to do the best they can and the rest is just college students that live on property and get paid min wage (and maintenance ofc). I get your frustration, just know that the explotational nature of this system goes deeper.

The stereo sound argument is amazing. Love the effort.

Fantastic audio editing when Kevin and Allen are both talking. Love the podcast! Keep them coming!

Kevin (looking directly at the camera): "don't worry about it"

"I don't want to give IKEA an anti-advertising, since they haven't harmed me in any way." That has to be one of the best things a thinking human ever said about any major company xD

Sometimes you can actually sell your tree to a lumber company. Out of the 4 people here, Kevin's most recent video was the coolest.

I watched ALL of yall for years and discovered this podcast a few months ago and it is the greatest thing ever.

"how do you know I'm boring" bruh you put me to sleep every night 🤣

Thanks for your work on this podcast! Every episode takes me back to shittalking with my CS study group in college.

Talking about screw jar, my grandfather had a screw bin full of all sorts of screws, nails, hinges, nuts, bolts, etc... Years later I learned with one of Adam Savage videos the same thing but kind more organized. Thanks to him I have now multiple "log jam" bins all over the place instead of a monolithic screw jar.

30:50 I have this too! I hate it when people touch my stuff because I don’t know where it is then. But I can tell you where anything is unless someone moves it.

15:00 I'm watching this while sitting next to my tub full of the same amount of power supplies. 😆

I got a friend the Meesta Hambāga shirt, she said she loved it, good shit.

I think the problem with most people & organizing is they don't realize it's a complicated, ongoing process. As you use items & buy new things, your sorting process has to adapt. I love Alan's wire kit - he has the right idea, for sure. But it doesn't always work for things that have multiple uses (especially in terms of tools that aren't cheap to have multiples of). I'm constantly struggling as a crafter to keep things organized - in terms of tools, I have to keep those separate bc I use them for multiple projects. I would love to be able to have a kit like Alan's though, but in my case, it's not entirely practical. It also depends on space. If you have the space, you can spread things out, whereas if you're short on space, you have to combine things to save space. Props to the guys for it being something that they want to do.

Can't believe Kevin was 40 minutes late to the podcast

my grandfather had the whole "everything is a mess but I'll always just remember where everything is" mentality, and it served him very well. of course he did eventually develop alzheimer's and die without writing much of anything down, and now his 14-acre estate is me and my dad's problem. let this serve as a cautionary tale for organized chaos.

I love this podcast!

We had a Tennant that due to the property manager going bust just as they moved in hadn't signed a lease agreement and was refusing to and basically squatting. It meant they also couldn't get power or water but refused to leave and we weren't allowed to evict them, only way we got them out is they overdosed and went to hospital then got arrested on drug charges.

That feel when you recognize one of your favorite youtubers on the screen of one of your favorite youtubers

Even if you do everything Will mentioned you can still be screwed by Landlords. I moved out early with permission from my landlord, who then immediately went to the cops and said I abandoned the place and damaged everything on the way out. I had an inspection and written proof of everything. The landlord took me to court to try and nail me but their lawyer pulled out when I showed up with a briefcase full of emails and texts. I did not get my deposit back.

We call eucalyptus trees widowmakers in Australia, their massive branches randomly dry out and fall randomly. I've nearly been hit a bunch of times and my friend's place got crushed by a massive one that ruined half of his entire house and landed on him, lucky to survive. I'd 100% get them away from your house.

I do the same thing as Alan, an adhesive one is always good to have. All your glues, epoxies, toothpicks, rags, little cups, etc. Even if different boxes have duplicate stuff, you can always grab one case and have everything.

Nigel and Kevin are the only reason I subscribed to this Chanel

I was looking at being a tree trimmer, entry level pay is already over $28/hr no prior experience required. So if that’s what they are paying an entry level worker then they gotta be charging a lot. My current company pays me 22.50, and charge the customer $90/hr for me to be on site, and they need to charge that much to even stay afloat, between workers comp, fixing mistakes, vehicles, etc. business are expensive to run lol.

Wooooo yaaaaayyy some dudes talking about some stuff best part of my week

With some para cord, a sawsall and chain saw and some hunting hooks I’ve trimmed trees 60’ tall. It’s slow and steady work this way but it’s free/cheap if you have the tools.

Man I lucked out at the two places I rented in college. The first one, I was not going to try to organize with the people I lived with because it would be a nightmare, but essentially it needed a carpet cleaning, kitchen cleaning, problem some new paint on some of the walls. So I got like $300 bucks back after living there two years. The second place, my cats fucked up the carpet, I fucked up the carpet, there was a hole I don't remember making in my closet door, another damaged door, and then just the normal lived in things. But I had lived there for like five years, and I was good friends with management, and they knew my situation for why I was leaving, and so they told me, don't worry about anything. You've lived here so long, we're going to refinish and repaint every wall, redo the countertop, completely redo the carpet, everything else anyways, so don't worry about cleaning up, and you'll get your deposit back too. They were like the most amazing landlords I've ever heard of, let alone got to live under (and I doubt I'll ever meet landlords/management like that again). They always had free food events, and never cared if we brought friends over to partake. If something got clogged or broke, the main couple, a lovely pair of grandparents, lived on site, and never grumbled at any issue I had. Granted they charged a fair bit more than other places in town, but man, I'll never forget them.

Very topical discussion about hoarding, I'm going through my stuff at the moment. I have the same power supplies problem - after Will's suggestion, I'm thinking rather than organising them further than one box, what about inventorying them? So you know before you go digging through the box that you definitely have what you need or know without digging through that you don't.

Rope saws are good for relatively safe DIY trimming (although, would be time consuming for 20 trees). Seems like a good video idea!

I still don't know what this podcast is about, but I sure do love it when they talk.

Sorta happy to be part of the tens of people that listen to this podcast

I really like this show, you guys just chatting is great.

I love you guys!!

Keep Nigel in every episode please!

I lived in UC Davis student housing, same sort of situation- I was charged hundreds of dollars because the faucet was loose (was like that when I moved in) and one of the panels on the blinds was bent.

California lawyer here. If utilities are included in the rent, the landlord has to keep the power on. If the landlord stops paying for utilities it counts as wrongful eviction (labeled a constructive eviction) and would subject the landlord to penalties and liability.

The key with Hoarding is to work out how much you are paying or have paid per square metre/foot of your house/workshop and see if you would pay for storage for those objects at that price. Really helps with the perspective of whether it's economically worth keeping something. Space really does have value mentally and efficiency.

You simply go through the hassle of making the tenant have utilities set up under their name. Then it gets treated as if a regular home owner stopped paying and the company shuts it off.

I literally build and replenish hardware assortments for a living, and fill some hard to get parts with McMaster Carr. This is the most relevant podcast to my job I've ever listened to.

For the power supply bin you could put tape on each of the power supplies so you could have the wattage written in big numbers so they're easy to pick out.

When you all talk over each other it sounds like my brain on a bad day 😅

@14:08 I liked hearing my conscious argue with itself.

Allen admitting he cannot mentally map his home/work space for groups of items, it just baffling to me, and I'd love to see what his workspace actually looks like, and see him work in the space.

It's almost as if all landlords are bastards

I was an arborist for 16 years. 1k a tree is stupid expensive for most jobs, but if you're clearing houses and power lines that's not far off from my average quote depending on how complicated it is. Most services charge between $150 and $300 per hour of work if hauling the debris but that can go up quite a bit if there is lots of climbing and rigging involved.

NEW SAFETY THIRD EPISODE!!!

i only wake up on thursdays for these

If you get any of those trees down, we can reduce waste and disposal costs if I bring our mobile sawmills on site and mill the eucalyptus into railroad ties!

Rented a place for close to 12 years. Part way through, they didn't like my yard displays and Pacman characters was the last straw for them. They did a drive by and decided not to renew the lease. I fought them and they put us on a month to month lease(extra). A year later I got asked to sign a new *yearly* lease. They also had an issue with overcharging for stormwater charges that they were getting stuck with because the land they were representing had it's contracts with the city run out. (late developments outran the contracts) They were now getting a lump sum charge and having to divvy it among the number of residents, while the rest of the city was being charged by sq ft of the lot. Everyone was basically paying stormwater for the sports fields in the area, plus what they rented. I had the lease rep add stormwater charges on the extra items in the new *yearly* lease, knowing this fee was going to increase even more moving forward as the development actually proceeded and the number of residents diminished. They had no lot values so it's impossible to calculate otherwise. Almost another year later they had so many problems trying to collect 2x stormwater charges themselves, they passed the job onto a 3rd party in another province without people's permission. It became basically 3x stormwater now. I took opposition to this as the charge was already included on my lease. When I'd tell the third party they would tell me to contact the property manager, the property manager says to contact the third party. So I did what anyone should do, I didn't give a dime to the third party, which now started to include water and sewage, so the bill started to grow pretty fast. I put the payments that would normally goto that in a separate account. Meanwhile documented all history, accounts. The third party started getting mad they weren't getting paid, they finally got the property manager , who then figured it would be a smart idea to cancel my *month to month* lease, which didn't exist anymore as it was yearly. They filled a claim in our provincial dispute system, I filled a 100 page counter claim with all the stormwater details, account info, emails, rental history, pretty much my history of being there 12 years. (This helped getting my own house later) A couple days before the "court"/dispute date, they finally realized the storm water was actually on my lease, and decide to waive those charges. The day before the dispute I get a new statement from the thirdparty with all stormwater charges removed. Managers are still going to the dispute over my month to month though, they want me gone. Though they checked the "yearly" box..... I pay the remaining bill to the third party with stored funds. Dispute day comes and the judge basically says it's one of the worse lease agreements she's seen and in no place does it specify that it's a month to month lease. We come to the decision that I should have my normal 3 months to move which will prevent any future problems. We win, and get 3 months to find a new place, instead of being thrown out by eviction, they continue to overcharge 500+ houses for stormwater.

No one's talking about that MASSIVE Tank of Red Bull behind Nigel?

I've amazed myself by perfectly understanding everything what was said by 3 people talking over each other. It's a lot easier when it's split into 2 channels.

Nigel is the point !

FYI: That's not exactly what those tenant-landlord laws mean. Basically, the landlord can't come out and turn off the utilities himself in an attempt to force you out, but the utility companies can still come turn it off for non-payment. Where it gets complicated is if the landlord pays the utilities using the tenant's rent money. The landlord still can't come out and turn the utilities off himself, but he also can't intentionally stop paying in order to get them shut off by the utility companies for non-payment.

0:18 YAY Nigel !!!

its like it a "choose your story" book. you choose the channel you're more interested in.

Will, I have power where I load money on to it every month and it charges daily from the deposited funds, the day after there's no money in the account, the power turns off, so if you're just forgetful, it cuts off on ya sometimes, but comes on pretty quick once funds are added.

I think that's a pretty standard rate for trimming trees it's pretty expensive eucalyptus trees are pretty friggin heavy too.

I was in the same type rental thing as Kevin, the share vacuum was full of cigarettes and didnt work when i moved in. 6 months later, a maintenance guy came into the shared kitchen and reported that the vacuum was broken and needed replacing. so the reception sent us an email saying we need to pay $150ea to replace the vacuum (5 of us). it was literally a $50 vacuum. so i emailed back and sent them a product link to the $50 vacuum and said "replace it with the exact same model vacuum and send us the receipt, oh by the way, the maintenance guy who worked for the building never sent us a prior notice of entry", I then sent a copy of the rental legislation which outlined the fine and penalty for doing so (unlawful entry by landlord). We did not have to pay for the vacuum 😂

😍 Nigel is back

nigel is actually the funniest guy i ever saw in the internet

aren't you guys talking about taxes a lot more recently? you are covering almost every subject out there:))

You guys should take the Clutterbug test to see how you organize your stuff.

A roof covered in airbags would not be helpful against trees falling on it. Sure, the force of the airbag might be enough to push the falling tree back and could perhaps deflect its fall to eventually landing on the ground rather than the house. But whatever destructive force the tree might have brought to the house through its fall would necessarily have to be repelled by an equivalent force from the airbags, and that momentum would be conserved through transferal to the airbags, which would then bear down on the house with the same force as the falling trees. In either case, destruction to the house would be roughly equivalent. Then again, I'm guessing that Allen wasn't a Physics major.

LOL , ive been "organizing" all of everything I own for the last year. selling stuff i dont need. I am down to all of my tools and shop stuff -parts- screws bolts , wires, materials, whatsits etc. It was suppose to take a month

I worked as an apartment caretaker, and they payed me to cut down trees. I miss it.

Last night, I dreamed I was part of safety third… it was a weird dream.

I owned a house in Michigan and I found a guy through dumb luck who charged like half of the other tree trimmers. After talking with neighbors and telling them about this guy, a couple of them immediately hired him to cut down trees for them. I think most stuff about owning a house is a total ripoff and headache, but occasionally you find or hear about a good deal, in which case you must pounce immediately. Also, talk to your neighbors

the way we do it in italy, we stop paying rent for 2 months (usually the deposit is 2 months worth of rent) and the deposit is to pay the last 2 months. That way you pretty much don't use your deposit for what's it's supposed to be. If there are damages they can ask you later, but usually don't cause it's not worth the hassle. You move the hassle on the landlord

It feels like i'm with my good old friends. Also cutting down the tree isn't so hard - you should try it by yourself!

I moved into a studio apartment in a "off campus student housing" complex, after existing as a chronically homeless person for 10 years, about a year and a half ago. Since then, the entire staff was replaced and has been continuously rotating in and out with new and quitting employees, who pretty much all have access to my unit. When I moved in there was street parking, now the curbs have been painted red, and there is no parking for 2 miles. So I pay an exorbitant $150 parking fee every month. There have been german cockroaches on the third floor, despite the fact I have no kitchen, the air conditioner didn't work in the summer, the hot water didn't work for 3 months over the winter, and the heater hasn't been working for 6 months. After all of this I am offered no discount, and have even been threatened with eviction for complaining passionately. Not only that but I have received notice that they will not be renewing the lease, effectively making me homeless, because I am not a student. Certainly, I would love to become a student, but when it takes 2 full time jobs to even consider paying the rent for this kitchenless shoebox without working utilities, I don't even have the concentration or time to sit through the convoluted process that comes with signing up for something as mundane as community college; let alone the faith that there is anything for me to learn there when they can't even create a functioning website in 2023. My experience at this place, which I never wanted, but was driven out of van life for by the police who would not cease harassing me and telling me to "move on" despite doing nothing criminal, has been nothing short of torture. If I was a CIA agent in charge of messing with somebody, with the intention to make them suicidally depressed, I would put them in this studio apartment, this studio apartment managed by a corporation that manages student housing on a national level. It is no surprise they want me out when they can just gaslight students who have problems until their short seasonal leases are up, avoiding any actual maintenance and allowing pests to run rampant.

Oh by the way I’m Australian, eucalyptus trees drop their branches all the time. They literally call them widow makers. It usually happens on a hot day when a cool breeze comes through. The massive branches litterally just drop, like one Crack! Happened at a bush party (camping party) I was in a branch broke off in the dance floors and absolutely Foocked about 3 people up. Broken arms and legs and ribs. No one died luckily.

Growing up in California before moving to Missouri and then Texas, I was blown away by the difference in tenant rights. California is way friendlier to tenants and I really miss it.

The helicopter idea seems crazy, but it might work with a strong quadcopter and a light chainsaw, you could even dangle the power cable... Orrr you can make something that climbs up the tree like a Spider and then cuts of sections. Either way, sections are the way to go?

If the trees are hanging over a house I would get a the tractor, hook it to a long chain/cable to the top of the tree. Then either climbing the tree , using a long ladder, or hiring a cherry picker( depending on the size of the tree) I’d cut the tree. Nah I’d cut out a wedge approximately just over half the tree width facing the tractor, then cut a a straight cut aiming to meet the wedge from the other side while the tractor is pulling the tree away from the house. Once it starts to move and you think the tractor can finish pulling it, GET OUT OF THE WAY. Let the tractor finish snapping it off. Either that or cut of small sections of the tree branches at a time, throw them down. Depends how much u care about the tree and what’s in the area below.

In Idaho, the landlords usually just don't pay for the utilities to begin with and you as the tenant have to sign up for and pay for the utilities yourself. So if you can't pay the utilities then the utility companies will just cut you off after a grace period.