Overrated Plants in Plants VS Zombies 2 

Regarding fire pea, I think part of the reason that the community rates it so highly is how its damage scales with level. On level one, it does the same damage as a repeater, but every level after that it does more damage than repeater. A level 3 fire peashooter does 100 damage per shot while a level 3 repeater only does 30

Iceberg lettuce is a plant food sink that also stalls for setting up sun production, not a spammable staller. In the "story" levels of the game, it fits in nicely with the meta

I believe Pepper pult is not popular because it takes what feels like a wall-nut long to refresh the seed packet

The electric blueberry problem is that there is no reason to use it or any other random instakill plants over caulipower, as caulipower instakills and hypotizes, which allows you to snowball the zombies into a hypnotized board. And even if the caulipower instakills the wrong zombie, hypnotized zombies have a lot of value as they can deal extra damage. And yes creeps even if its way too broken, I find it very satisfying to get enough caulipowers down to straight up win any level

Regarding iceberg, the main reasons why people think it's good are 1: at the start of the round, it can stall hard enough for you to add one or 2 sun producers before worrying about kills. This comboed with a insta kill like mine or bean allows you to focus on sun for a long time before you truly focus on damage. 2: its plant food is OP

I think the reason Fire Peashooter got its reputation is because the plant people compared it to the most was Pepper-Pult. Who worked fine as a heater, but as an actual offensive plant was sort of...not great. Like you said, Fire Peashooter was basically just a cheaper Repeater that could also heat plants. Well, Pepper-Pult cost the same as Repeater but also recharged slowly, attacked less frequently, and did less damage per shot (yes, it had splash damage, but that rarely made up for everything else). So when compared specifically to Pepper-Pult, the plant easiest to compare it to, Fire Peashooter seemed super powerful.

You missed the most important reason why Iceberg is considered so good. Its PF is literally Ice shroom making it superior staller to Stunion and Stallia if you can afford using plant food on it or you have it boosted from Zen Garden.

I bet you at some point pvz2 is gonna add a cherry bomb style plant but instead of killing, it instant hypnotizes every zombie in a 3x3 area

I think this is all because popcap was all about powercreep on most updates. For example, iceberg lettuce was the best on the start of the game, but instead of keeping its place, popcap just released stallia on lost city and stunion on frostbite caves. It happens a lot, honestly, and the best example is primal plants (expect peashooter and maybe sunflower), wasabi whip to bonk choy (now can be said about pokra beating wasabi), missile toe and banana launcher and others. Most of the times its simply better on premiuns to make people buy them. Its kinda dumb, and one of the reasons why mods are so popular.

Actually the best part of lightning reed is that it ignores all gimmicks, like shovels, umbrellas, changing lanes, jesters etc. It absolutely does not fall off in late game, since you can easily get seed packets to upgrade it. The one problem is that in challenges outside of the main game, it’s far harder to level up after lvl 3, but challenges are pay to win anyways

Chard guard is truly a very unique and great plant and I am glad it’s final starting to get the popularity it deserves.

Only disagreement is Fire Peashooter. Before the Torchwood buff she was a flat-out upgrade to Repeater and can reliably tear through medium-health zombies. Also I'd definitely consider her the single best plant for thawing; the Lava Guava demonstration you made feels counterproductive to me as it renders Guava's main attack pointless, while Fire Pea can attack as normal _and_ warm plants around her. Also, I was surprised to see Infi-Nut on here, and while I don't disagree I definitely think it's fair he was above Sun-Shroom on Flag Zombie's community voted list. In fact, I'd consider Sun-Shroom to be one of the most overrated plants in the game due to its sun production being very minimal early on in levels, which is especially lacking in the later worlds when levels are very fast-paced.

For fire pea, i think most people say it’s op when it’s leveled, which it pretty much is, but most plants are to be fair Also an underrated plants video would be very cool! Great video as always

I use all 3 early game stallers together so often, I didn't really think to compare them all Sure it takes a lot of seed slots, but having two full rows of fully grown sun-shrooms before the first conehead can make magnifying grass even more stupid than it normally is But yeah, between the three, stallia is probably better. Though stunion really isn't better than iceberg lettuce. It's more versatile sure, but that small sun cost can slow down early game sun production by a lot

I've always laughed at the notion of Lightning Reed spam when Rotobaga spam is more fun and effective in my experience

11:46 Wolfy would like a word with you. Great video as always.

14:00 when you said "low risk, low reward", my headphones said "low battery, power off"

My problem with these lists and rankings is just that no one considers newer players..is this LATE GAME plant better than this EARLY GAME one? Yea! Doesn't make the early game one horrible or anything..y'all acting like I should of hardcore researched the game first before picking it up to selectively play certain worlds to build the best team asap..nah I'm just playing through them blind going from left to right on the world screen doing them "in order" I guess. How good a plant is, is irrelevant if I can't get that plant yet especially if you have to max it out to be good (which will take ages with free piñatas and seed packets from completing levels) 💀If this were a competitive tierlist I get it, but most opinions on the plants (like people enjoying iceberg or lightning reed) are based around playing the game level to level not selectively choosing world to build an op army of plants to kill the rest of the worlds with or straight up spending money to start off with the best of the best..people grow to like and appreciate a plant that's found early because their carried them til they could find a better plant, in a way that gives the plant more value to them because even though it's not the best it was good for most of the game which inflates how they view it.

use rotobaga in hordes, kinda like puffshroomsz spam it as much as you can (preferably near the front like column 5 and 6)

I like how, in the thumbnail he puts the shadows of the plants overshadowing the others. Really nice details!👌

Honestly we can't really do anything about a plant being overrated

i think the real use of the iceberg lettuce it's on early game when building the sun producers, at least that's how i use it, but still suits on the "training wheels" idea, gives you time to build sun producers, but i think with experience, you can do that without. I used to ALWAYS pick lettuce, but when i got attached to snapdragon, i started to feel his downsides, not being compatible with fire really hinders some builds, what pushed me back on using stunion was the 25 sun, but when i started to use it, it really felt good, at least for me, who uses a lot of fire setups for fun.

I think it's altverz that turns electric blueberry into something I like a lot more just by swapping its priorities. It focuses down special zombies before going for any standard ones, so it's there to specifically remove those. Combined with walls and some stalls, you can weed through basics while having it deal with high hp specials. It's fun to come up with setups with.

I loved how you mentioned using Fume Shroom as an alternative choice to Lightning Reed, because I was actually using both of them together for most of my first playthrough of PvZ 2.

My "Overused" Plant was Snapdragon. This was while you still had to get world keys individually and the worlds were still being released. Also Spikeweed handles chickens and weasels so much better than Reed...

Hey creeps, have you considered making a video on Phat-Beat? Would love to hear your take on it if you can find enough content to talk about it lol

In my opinion inf-inut is also really good on plan your defense levels because it lets you defend every lane and you can spend more on attackers

The strongest aspect of Infinut's plant food effect isn't just the fact that you get a multilane wall, but rather the amount of things that wall counters. It fully blocks things like fishermen, keeps you protected even if things like wizard or octo zombies come and poof the base plant, ect.

I hate Electric Blueberry. I was playing the Electric Blueberry level in Neon Mixtape Tour and there was a Gargantuar so close to the home, and a weak zombie far away from home. Guess which one she targeted...

I love Iceberg, but it's mostly a sun-production setup staller. I find I get much more use out of it in AltverZ than vanilla usually though, especially since it gives chill without levelling there, plus Stallia is 25 sun. (those are the only two I've played so far.)

Personally, Infi-Nut is a very useful plant for me. Especially in the "Generate X Amount of Sun Levels". Primal Walnut is better, but I like Infi-Nut for its shield and regeneration.

why didn't you focus on how good iceberg is at stalling early game? it's the entire point of it, it's not really meant to be that good afterwards alone, and especially when combined with stallia it can allow you to save up for expensive plants like winter melon with relative ease

Fire peashooter is THE heater. Unless you are desperate for splash damage, pepper-pult is completely irrelevant due to its 30 year recharge, high cost, and slow attack speed. Are you really gonna put lava guava or snapdragon in the second column?

Does anyone like Lightning Reed? I only enjoyed it after I buffed it in my mod.

I've already pointed out the fact your narration skills have improved on the last video, but now I can also hear an improvement in sound quality. You're definitely going places, comrade.

I greatly appreciate the intro. Thank you for explaining the different plants.

Thats a nice agruement with good points, but since I disagree I will now make a meme where I depict you as the soyjack and me as the wojack and post it on the internet. Consider your reputation over.

How is Reed not good in NMT? Most zombies there are pretty frail.

I always hated that iceberg could only freeze one zombie on its tile instead of freezing all zombies on the tile. The lack of a chilling effect until higher levels also doesn't help matters either. While I still think it's a solid plant, it does have flaws that annoy me.

I've run iceberg lettuce and stallia in the same comps and it really shows the specific niches they both have. Iceberg has an insane plant food effect and can keep some problem zombies in place keeping them from causing more issues even if they were slowed, while Stallia is the spammable slow that you can just throw on a group to buy more time. I generally like to have 1 iceberg lettuce in my main defensive core just for plant food and throw the rest of the stallers around where I need them

Creeps,you are criminally underated,in my opinion

As an iceberg lettuce user that has 8 seed slots I use both iceberg lettuce and stallia even if stallia is way better both of them almost infinitely stall one zombie which massively delays the first zombies that spawn when I’m trying to plant 2 rows of sun producers at the start of the game. Even if it’s use in my deck is minimal I sometimes bring plants I don’t even use because there’s not a lack space for me specially since I only have like 1/3 of the premium plants. Even if in the late-game of a match it’s massively outclassed it’s one of the best free stallers at the start of the match.

What plants are good in the late game worlds? I'm a fairly new player that just reached Jurassic March in adventure mode. I've been spamming mostly iceberg/stallia/sunshroom/potato mine/lightning reed/wintermelon/filler when available and it has been working fine so far. What changes in Jurassic March onwards?

Funnily enough, you should *protect* infinut plant food shield instead of, you know, use the plant specifically designed to be wall in the intended way.

In the words of GNVS, if a plant needs to be spammed to be good, it isn't good. Lightning Reed, while mid on its own, isn't worth the hype even when spammed. It just can't keep up, and arena/arena plants don't help with that.

The reason Iceberg lettuce is good is because of its ability to stall for sun, early into the level and story, as you get it in early ancient Egypt.

Chardguard remains one of my favorite plants. It helped me discover the Blover thing and that was when it really clicked, and I just brought it with me everywhere I could. Lightning Reed + Snapper was just very fun to do, and satisfying to watch, but it was sad to see how badly Reed falls off. Infi-nut is def a counter pick type of plant, but yeah, there is always Chardguard which you can, with blover, one shot a garg easily.

Lightning Reed feels powerful, and that's why I use it sometimes.

Wait, electric blueberry is overrated? I thought we all agreed it was garbage.

>"overrated plants" >lightning Reed in the thumbnail Instantly subscribed and liked

How does dartichoke actually work? last time I remember it was like homing thistle but for the zombie with thr most health. is that wrong or has it changed? cos now it only seems to attack zombies in its own lane.

iceberg is too overrated. i stand by my point that stunion is better

I feel like lightning reed is good, but its definitely a support plant. Unironically, its probably great with electric plants- citron and electric blueberry come to mind here. However, its easy to just get enough for it to be good against one zombie to where it is always good. I think a balance for it would to make it cost less, but lose damage on bounces. Maybe then it could have more bounces as well? It would be nice to have a light supportive attacker in pvz2 and I feel lightning reed would be great for that, maybe we will see a change like this in pvz3?

I think everyone uses lightning reed wrong and falls for the trap of using a lot of them because it's ok, when they work best with powerful plants, effectively chipping enough health off at a global range so the powerful plants don't need to hit stuff as much. Like yeah sure other plants do that will too and it's still not OP but I still think everyone is using it wrong.

Creeps was on gun point when making this video. That’s why corn didn’t show up, or else the cult would start rioting

15:30 Infi-nut's plant food is kind of weird to compare to having a bunch of walls spread across a lane, because it's individual rather than split into pieces. It's more like having a tall nut (+2000 hp) spread across the entire lane.

One defense for infi-nut : using it in middle game to stall a bit before putting the early attackers (i often use bonk choi) is pretty useful, and can help me save up for my sun when i go for set-ups with banana launcher. Also, banana launcher can deal with hords quite well, which helps infi-nut's plant food. Obviously, infi-nut doesnt go well against gargs or some other one-shot zombies, but it is still a very viable strategy

I would like to say that infi-nut is also useful for the fact that it saves you sun on having to plant more wall-nuts. You are essentially spending that 75 sun to guarantee that lower-level zombies do not demolish your wall. Yes, I understand plant food works the same, but A. you might run out, and B. You are capped at 4.

I'm konestly surprised that Electric Blueberry is popular because this plant is ASS. Although yes, it does instant kill zombies as long as it is alive, EB takes WAY too long for it to recharge. And even then, it is very inconsistent on what zombie it wants to target. For example: if there is a zombie that is about to enter the house, if there are zombies at the end of the lawn, it is a all out casino if EB gets that zombie near to the house. And it can only target one zombie at a time until it has to recharge again. And to top that off if being outclassed by not only Caulipower, but pretty much almost every single instant in the game, and yeah, you have an unreliable plant to deal with.

Does no one realize that iceberg lettuce can freeze a 3x3 area when leveled up enough at a 100% uptime?

There's no other pvz youtuber that is making more interesting videos than you, mark my word. You not only feed us raw hour gameplay, but these type of documentary-essay type videos with such unique and interesting topics are just top notch.

That's kinda dumb how you miss that the Reed is a main attacker and stands at the back of the lane while the Fume shroom, Snapdragon et cetera are melee and thus cannot be massed, which is always done for Reed

You should make a video about underrated plants.

I don't think you acknowledge why infi-nut is quite amazing. Ofc its not the greatest wall, its not supposed to be, its a temporary one for considerable less sun with the intention that you don't allow zombies to eat at it for too long. For 75 sun right from the get go with a plant food you can have a full set of barriers protecting every lane, and then you can dedicate everything else into offenses that will kill any zombies before they can overpower the simple wall, not to mention you only needed the one patch of grass to accomplish this. You need only place 1 infi-nut for the whole game to have a successful defense. And its cheap price allow for flexibility if you do decide to spam it. Truly an S-tier plant

But iceberg lettuce can stall the first few zombies when you dont have an attacker in every lane in the startand you can freeze gargantuans so they become much less scary

0:03, SPOLIER WARNING

Good video, would love to see a underrated video

for eletric blueberry it feels like it will always target a singular imp, even if there is 50 gargantuars next to it, for caulipower it feels like it targets the gargantuars, and after a bit the imp

Virgin Infi-Nut vs Chad Guard

Funny that you never said anything about Iceberg being an ice shroom that costs plant food instead of sun

Counter argument: oneshotting gargs with eberry is funny

Also when zombie dies before eberry hits it the cloud just dissappears unlike cauliflower which just attacks another zombie

This is the "I dont use this plant a lot and here is why you are wrong" video

Infinut also cover sun limited levels and you don't need more than one of it to win a level, just make sure you don't rely on a wall to begin with. I do think it's the only thing here that deserves the attention.

lightning reed and iceberg are the only plants that I use every day and every level. And paring them is so op, lightning reed for aoe damage, while lettuce freezes an enemy, and reed can also pierce which is good

I have been playing on Reflourished mod and two of these mentioned overrated plants got nerfed (Fire Peashooter - sun cost of 175 from vanilla to sun cost of 225, and Lightning Reed - sun cost of 125 from vanilla to sun cost of 150) and it's actually a good thing to rather focus more of other strategies instead of sticking into one type in most levels.

Man, I wish I could have access to all of the peashooters. I could care less about how viable they are, I just love all of them.

I don't usually find myself limited on seed slots (except for eclise) so I never really minded quite the opposite actually whenever I have an open seed slot ice is probably a choice I can never go wrong with. Don't get me wrong, if I need the seed slot, then I will remove iceberg without batting an eye. Stalio is probably still better but depends on the mod

You forgot to mention that infi nut can stop punk zombies from moving back plants in neon mixtape tour when their music is on.

The strongest point for iceberg is the very first zombie. Most levels, at least until the later worlds, only send a single zombie at the start, meaning that it can be very helpful for a couple extra sunflowers before you have to start prepping your actual defense.

Your setups are more inconsistent than modern day, there’s no symmetry!

Ngl, the most overrated plants are most of the sun plants. Like they dont even do any damage.

i really like e berry and caulipower because of how strong they are. but i never realised caulipower is just a way better e berry. comparing them really opens your eyes. also i think its fun to do electric setup sometimes meaning i use e berry and lightning reed together with another attacker which is really fun.

I think a video about power ups would be interesting

Fun fact: i hate using fire plants in eclise so much that i only ever use lava guava as a heating planting and nothing else.

1:44 lvl 10+ it stuns in an area, it becomes the better stunion at that point, also the plant food is decent

When you get iceburg to lvl max it can freeze every zombie in 3 lanes in its range.

Is far far future considered early cuz ive been mowing through it with lightning reed

Speaking about underrated plants, I genuinely think Shrinking Violet is way underrated, perhaps overshadowed by Imp Pear. Without Plant Food, Shrinking Violet shrinks multiple zombies which can be blown away by Draftodil, while Imp Pear is applied to only a single target. Most of us love Imp Pear because of its Plant Food effect, which can boost the score in Arena, and because it's free and have faster recharge. Both are good plants, but in different ways.

only took 2 seconds to say 'shockingly enough' this video lol

10:22 The lack of fire pea splash damage makes PvZ2 feel so much more lifeless than PvZ1.

Now do Underrated plants Im not asking. Do it

We know ice berg isnt that good, its main use is stalling early waves for more sun On the later waves it kindoff falls off except if it counters certain zombies like explorer or wizard

The fact that all you need is Lightning reed to complete all the worlds except fo Jurrasic Marsh and Modern day is absolutely insane.. Its so good!!!

I don't normally use wall plants, but whenever I do pick infinut, the plant food holowall thingy allows me to throw down some magnet shoots behind it so I can quickly take out bucket heads, and only really use that wall as a small stall incase I get overwhelmed (I don't remember if magnet gets rid of all star helmets to pvz2)

Iceberg isn't good because of its single target freezing, it's broken because its plantfood stuns every zombie for 15 seconds.

Your logic is flawed regarding the seed slots. On harder levels, the sun is the problem as waves of zombies almost immediately start to attack you. You don’t need many attackers or sun producers, one of each is enough. The other seed slots are effectively support, helping you in every which way to build up your defense. Costing zero sun and stalling the early game for that little bit longer is incredibly valuable especially for 0 sun. The plant food is also one of the best. I think it is pretty well rated as the value the 0 sun plants provide is exceptional for what they are worth.

there are a few other factors in favor of infininut, such as it's main selling point, regeneration. 2 of them can infinitely stall levels without any upkeep, while every other blocker needs to be maintained. I wouldn't say it's better than sunshroom, but it is my favorite blocking plant due to it being relatively low maintenance. plus, one of my main attacking plants is laser bean and/or primal peashooter with cauilpower as support, so I don't need constant blocking most of the time. maintenance is actually one of the reasons I rarely like to use blocking, manual fire, or instant plants. infininut may not be up for as long as others if it keeps taking damage, but it can get back up after going down and recover from damage it takes without additional sun. my favorite loadout for most levels is: laser bean, laser bean/primal peashooter, sunshroom/twin sunflower/primal sunflower/caulipower, sunshroom/primal sunflower, infininut, maybe infininut/spikeweed, maybe spikeweed, with some backend spikeweed

Creeps forgot the most important part about ice burg lettuce: it’s cute

Dam, I loved Infinut, and I havnt even used it Plant food usually Also I believe Blueberry+Lightning reed kinda works