Yeah, if you notice all the Democrats way back during the Vietnam war that none of them wanted to get drafted but all of a sudden they want to get everybody else. Drafted talk about being a hypocrite talk about being two-faced totally worthless people.
You can worship however you want. Your congregation can worship however they want. But you have NO right to try to coerce me into worshipping like you do, or follow your beliefs, by passing laws.
I was called into the pre-draft back when we still had conscription in Sweden. Physique test, IQ test, physical, interview, the whole shebang. The interview with the recruiter was the final hurdle before going to basic training. The first thing he asks me is "do you want to do this?" I told him "no, not really" and he said "OK, I'll just put you in the reserves then" and sent me home. One of the best days of my life, to be honest.
Well, you all aren't beholden to a corrupt and massive military industrial complex, and your politicians aren't shaking their dicks at every other country on the planet, so...makes sense that's the mentality they had.
I look at a 1971 photo, 35 ofareus from colleges, universities in the US, training in FT Knox, going through ROTC because I was otherwise to be drafted. 8/9 of us, didn't want to be there, but made a choice, and worked as hard as any volunteer. Once in a foxhole, politics disapear fast, and you are committed to the mission and your buddies with you.. My class got lucky, draft ended and most of us didn't go all the way to be commissioned, offered honorable discharges. In Ft Knox, I bunked with people all over the US, we had common purpose, to learn, and survive when we graduated, to be sent to Vietnam. My son served in Iraq. So I have no negatives on the military. The draft is a great consolidator of American values and common purpose, and teaches skills to those without an education. Brian R
@@OLIVE_ARROW1969 yes literally. It’s always they are both corrupt life long politicians that are millionaires from insider trading yet they always get re-elected 🤔
If we can automatically register people for the draft, we can certainly automatically register people for to vote. This country’s priorities are completely messed up.
I don't think that's what he meant. Viet Nam was a wildly unjust and unpopular war. Being against that war and draft is not the same as fighting for your country when it's just and necessary -- in clear and necessary defense. Viet Nam was an offensive action by the u.s. that turned into an unwinnable quagmire early on and lasted unjustifiably way too long. The kind of military industrial complex fueled problem that Eisenhower warned about.
@@markanderson4163yes thank you, so many people here don't understand the difference between getting drafted and registering for the draft. One is usually done at war time the other is done as a minor.
@@tinaperez7393 Aside from the Kuwait war, which was almost laughably quick, what war have we fought since WWII wasn't a failed quagmire that went on too long?
He really just said that the government has to do some super shady shit, and exposing that super shady shit is wrong because it undermines their plans. Mind blown.
Welcome to the adult world of government. Do you think ALL governments around the world have secretive intelligence groups just for funsies? It's for protection of the nation
As a professional Soldier who spent 22 year active duty, I agree with LTC Gabbard, and am wholeheartedly against conscription. However, in the name of equality and equity, if a man has to do it, so do women.
Very succinct. As a man who had the very same experiences bill, I didn’t know we were the same age, I am very much interested in hearing more of what you have to say on this topic. In fact, I’d like to hear what all I should say many Vets have to say on the issue that
Two big surprises. I wouldn't have thought that Tulsi Gabbard would defend Julian Assange and I wouldn't have thought Maher would attack him even less. She's right of course.
Assange exposed the horrors of war,the lies we are told by Governments and atrocities that occurred and he paid the price.If we can't have a free press we will continue to be brainwashed forever.
AKA a Humanities course. Be careful about the History exception, though. In Utah, there is a tendency to present events from the Book of Mormon as if they were actual, historical events. Just watch the local news there, sometimes. It's unsettling.
@@starshake8998 Let Utah do what they want, it's only one state out of 50. Or, as part of the curriculum, include a concept that part of the religion is the belief that the Book of Mormon is actual history, as well as the fact that there is debate about whether or not it is actual history.
@@k2peek Consider what could happen if each state were allowed to promote their particular form of religious cultism or a specific denomination of a religious cult & the conflicts that would arise between each extremist wing of each cult. This country would become a western version of the middle east, in constant conflict between warring factions of cults who believe in mythical deities.
Veteran here too - that’s why we have a professional force now and no draft since Vietnam - but they are talking about selective service registration and in case of a catastrophic war (conventional) we may need bodies even if just doing REMF stuff. So why wouldn’t a woman be required to- they want everything equal.
@jamesinFL yeah, in a real huge war, like beyond even Vietnam scale, we HAVE to draft. You wouldn't have enough people signing up. And in reality, no one wants to be there. Even the volunteers. It becomes life and death and you have no choice in the matter. Not to say there aren't issues with having a solely drafted military. A lot more surrenders. They don't fight as hard. More fragging, faking of injuries etc.
@@jamesinFLit used to be because they were typically the ones that stayed hm to raise the children while the men were at work or war… i think it would be completely irresponsible to have single mothers or single fathers drafted, or anyone that would cause a significant detriment to the family or lineage. Other than that- even tho i think the tone of your text is pretty whiney - & i don’t think women or men who don’t enlist should be forced to go anywhere-but everyone, including women should be ready to defend this country- in our country.
He also thinks the Vietnam War was a great idea. I remember watching him argue, very matter-of-factly of course, that the Vietnam War was worth it because, according to him, the war led to the end of the Soviet Union.
I'm pro-draft. But I think draft should be service, which may include the military. No exceptions. That means, everyone has to serve including kids who have a billionaire daddy. If that happened, there would be less wars.
Anyone in this country that has to live paycheck to paycheck or works at 40-hour week and has to live in their car would be a fool to serve a day in defense of this country
Well, not necessarily, a lot of these people would love to join seeing as how it’s a pretty good gig when you’re not getting shot at. They’d instantly stop sleeping in a car for one lmao. There’re plenty of ways to serve without combat or hurting someone. And if someone is that poor off joining the military would change their life for the best, but chances are they’re ineligible or they probably would be in. Lol
@@Theriac24 not when you're drafted draftees get paid less generally live in way worse conditions than our cushy military today does our military today sleeps in air conditioned tents draftees sleep in foxholes with their heads in the mud and may not get food. Draftees generally get less supplies including medical and clothing.
Not to mention every administration does dirty illegal stuff and it is the medias job to expose it to hold politicians somewhat accountable. The legacy media owned by billionaires has conveniently "forgotten" that part of their job. Assange and wikileaks did the medias job.
Funny thing about religious belief, Christianity in this case, is that if it's not true, it's just a personal preference, but if it actually IS true, then it's everyone's business.
There was a draft in WWII. Our National Museum states, " On September 16, 1940, the United States instituted the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, which required all men between the ages of 21 and 45 to register for the draft." 50 million registered and 10 million were drafted by 1945.
tulsi's point was they don t institute a draft unless they think they will need it. if you dont think the govt in 1940 thought we would eventually be at war in europe or asia i suggest you read up on the history of the time period.
@@Mathis218337 61% of those in service between 1941 and 1945 were draftees. How soon after PH is a fair question as there was an overwhelming volunteer response.
True, though Tennessee passed a near identical law 30 years ago and the Supreme Court ruled that's unconstitutional. So Tennessee is the reason why Louisiana doing so is so obviously unconstitutional. This Supreme Court isn't reliable but on this its pretty blatant.
When Tulsi showed her support for Assange, the audience applauded, and then Maher counters that what Assange did was bad and is a traitor, and then the audience applauded. Wtf? Are they even listening lol
"the" audience? different parts of an audience can't applaud for different things? Next step in that way of thinking is collective punishment. Foggy generalizations start wars. Don't let conventions of speech define your thinking.
Agree, as a retired service member, Canadian military, 1967-96… volunteers are the way to go. A nation will get volunteers as long as it respects the lives of those who serve. Respect comes via choosing fights for just causes & equips a military to survive & win.
Unfortunately, deciding what is a just cause is a subjective thing. Every country has done something wrong. Plus, happy men don't volunteer. They wait to be called.
@@patrickmiano7901 Geopolitical wars for access to a 3rd tier’s natural resources isn’t a just cause. Wars to instal & maintain dictatorship & oppress people who choose a socialist government that distributes wealth rather than guarantees wealth to a select few isn’t a just war. So yes indeed leadership in 1st tier nations have done some very nasty things for dark forces running power behind the throne.
How many at Passchendaele were volunteers? LOL. Can't believe y'all let the British fuck you like that and then still act like we in the US are your biggest problem.
I think women shouldn't be drafted but if they volunteer more power to them. But women have enough responsibility being the bearer and caregiver to children.
During WWII, the military actually suspended volunteer enlistments because the greatest need was in the infantry, yet that was not the general “choice” of the volunteer.
Hey Tulsi, I’m a Vietnam era Vet that was drafted and there were a lot of GI’s in the Vietnam war that were drafted and didn’t want to be there and they saved their buddies life when it counted. Your comment about not wanting to be with another GI that didn’t want to be there because you couldn’t count on them is a disgusting thing to say.
My dad was a Vietnam vet who literally in the middle of a battle had a guy drop on the ground and go into a fetal position because he didn't want to be there. My dad had to kick him out of the way because he was blocking a passageway to get out. Yes, many people who are forced to do a job can still do it well. But there are still plenty who don't. I would rather prevent a situation that has you guessing whether the person your life depends on will end up being the GIs that you knew or the GI that my dad had to kick to prevent everyone else from dying.
Did they make guys go to war because they didn’t have enough males volunteering to be in the military? I wasn’t even born yet, but my dad was in school and I know that he had to go to Vietnam. But I never heard that he didn’t want to be there. He was a marine. I never got to ask him any of these questions because he died of an asthma attack. The very reason they sent him home from Vietnam because he he had such bad asthma.
Interesting point--your issue would, then, be resolved by charging Assange as a spy, a foreign agent found to have acted against the security and interests of the United States. ?
@@kingkontinuum Yes, the name Snowden sounds almost identical to the name Assange and added to the fact that most Americans are parochial and can never perceive that America and Americans do not make up the whole of the world's land mass and people so it is completely understandable Bill was confused.
@@davidparris7167 Australian and American defense strategy is very very closely linked. By assisting in the commission of espionage against the US he essentially betrayed Australia too.
I'm an American middle aged white man. I lived in England as young military brat. Had to go to school that was English and very religious. I hated that part of it. If I had kids, I would want them nowhere near religion in school, no matter what religion...
Absolutely agree! I want religion staying out of government, and government staying staying out of religion, and the same with schools which are funded and run by a government guided, and defined, by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution ("Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."). I am an observant Christian, who does his best every moment to follow the teachings and example of Christ, and I strongly believe that FAITH (which is NOT the same as RELIGION) should be taught in the home primarily, and if you so choose, in a place of worship, secondarily.
I used to agree. Then I saw the darkness the left has embraced, particularly over the last few years. I now realize we all have a choice: a world with God and a world without. I choose the world with God, because without Him, we find substitutes and they’re never good.
Let me ask, where does your basis of what is right or wrong come from? Western civilization gets our morals from Christianity already. You should acknowledge that.
Maher and Gabbard are NOT the same, politically, yet they manage to have a reasonable conversation without hysteria. Didn't know that this was possible anymore.
They're closer politically than what you think. Both are disenchanted with the left, with Gabbard acting like a woman scorned towards the democratic party.
WHY serve with anything that has to do with war...Have you noticed the wars are started by men- usually old men. These wars are started by a bunch of old men who are probably impotent. This world is run byall men, and the rest of us have to put up with them. WHERE ARE TEH WOMEN TO RUN OUR WORLD??????
In the 60's, if you were drafted, you would serve three years but if you volunteered for the draft, you would only serve two years, so I volunteered for the draft, sold all I owned and went for the physical at Fort Ord, California. Recently there had been a meningitis outbreak there and when I took the physical, I was healthy except for glass fragments in my eye, from a car wreck I had been in while in HS. That last group had 18 go through and I was one of the 10 that didn't pass. Maybe the meningitis outbreak had something to do with military decisions. But I was damn glad I didn't have to go to the front lines in Vietnam. But at least I could say I tried. A few years ago in my area I went into a local military center where coffee and desert was to be given. I was asked it I was a veteran and I told them my story and they welcomed me to have goodies with them.
I served in the army and I agree completely with you. Let people choose. Be an EMT, a firefighter, a nurse, a building inspector even, whatever. We just need NATIONAL SERVICE, military or civilian for all 18-19s.
NATION WITHOUT GODLY GOVERNMENT IS UNDER THE CURSE OF THAT WITCH IS MANKINDS SPIRITUAL QUEEN MOTHER JEZEBEL ::: WITCH IS QUEEN OVER BABYLON !!! ZECHARIAH CH 5 !!!
Matthews' remarks about Jeffries doesn't make much sense. Pelosi endorsed him because she wanted to pick someone who was a representative to be Speaker. Presidential candidates and other national figures are most often senators or governors, not representatives.
“It isn’t your thing. It isn’t. You’re like that guy that has a fantasy football team and thinks he’s a fucking GM. That’s exactly what it is. Like, why am I f**king listening to you like you like you’ve done something? What have you done in Washington? Nothing.” - Bill Burr
Yeah if you live in La La land where the world is a hippie commune and everyone practices love. Sacrifice has to be made, unfortunately, which is why most people are very supportive of veterans. So next time you see someone bitching that active duty can board a flight early or skip out on the American Express annual fee remember that all the people who voluntarily join keep people like you from being forced.
@@Theriac24 another way to say this is; some people are more sick than others, after all - violence is nothing but placation to fear. Only done by children not adults.
A Country has just one initial objective when it forms Government for the first time and that is to protect itself from attack (it never stops preparing for War ) . Do not think for one minute America pays its citizens to be in the military to teach them how to bake a cake! That is just a side benefit.
In 1942 my father, just 18, was caught for a petty theft, the Judge "suggested" he enlist. LOL, Army Air Corps at Adak waiting for a Japanese innovation that never happened.
She says she is for freedom of religion and the first amendment is about freedom of religion or not and that that right should be included in the classroom, but the separation of church and state prevents, and if a kid wants to read from a Bible in school he should be able to (which is protected), but when Bill presses her about whether the school should be providing that Bible, she defers to the other guest instead of responding. 6:42
"If a kid wants to read from the Bible - awsome." - her words. I guess she means that the kid has to bring the Bible or any other religious book on its own.
If somebody could clarify, I think they're talking about the separation of church and state which is a constitutional thing meaning it is federal. My point being is I don't know if that would trickle down to the states. Have the Supreme Court ruled on this. If so, I would like to know.
Most wars America was involved in weren't started by America. WWI & II, Korea War, Vietnam, Kosovo, Syria, Libya, 1. Gulf War and the Ukraine War & GAZA-War weren't started by America.
@craigs.6642 one is he said the US didn't start the Ukraine war. On one hand he is right, but if you know anything about the history of Russia following the dismantling of the Berlin Wall and the agreement we made with them in accordance to not allow Nato to expand any further east, which of course was not honored, there's quite a valid argument to made that we provoked them into this war, especially considering the many peace deals Russia was willing to come to the table for before, during, and still currently. Ukraine was willing to sign that first treaty before the war broke out until the US convinced the UK to send Boris Johnson to urge Zelenskyy not to sign. And our media and Corn Pop said over and over again how this incursion was "unprovoked." Now Joe is trying to convince us that Russia won't stop with Ukraine, but will try to keep expanding their territory, lol. All the while we are provoking them even more in a deadly contest that could very well end us all in a nuclear Armageddon. Another thing Maher won't admit is the genocide in Gaza.
My first born son turns 18 in December. I am terrified. Fuck these politicians signing up my boy for their wars. These bullshit wars. I just can’t believe we’re still doing this shit.
The next big war that happens will quickly turn nuclear. In that case, a draft isn't going to make a difference one way or another. I agree with Gabbard about the "guy in the foxhole next to you" stance. I was a volunteer (USAF). You have to be able to trust the guy next to you because his or her performance and committment could be the difference between your life or death.
My grandpa was drafted into the Korean War. He always said he thought military service should be mandatory; that we need a draft. His reasoning being that soldiers who don’t want to be there would show up and get the job done so they could come home.
Tulsi lives in a conspiratorial FOXholed fantasy world who never fought in a fox hole. Nobody wanted to be in Vietnam but everybody fought heroically and valiantly. If you get shot at you don't have a choice if you want to get out alive. I'm not even sure why she's on the show besides of heir lib-tarian and pro-Russian terrorist views. Chris Mathews had constantly correct heir and Bill wouldn't shut up once for a minute to let Chris talk.
@@battleclover9537 I'll take a partial L, but it was still a war America by and large supported, and getting the troops they needed wasn't hard or controversial. Whereas in Vietnam it was very unpopular and people were doing whatever they could to avoid the draft
My father was drafted during WW2, was a combat veteran of the return to the Philippines under MacArthur. Was awarded: a Bronze Star (cluster); a Silver Star; a Purple Heart among others. It’s a myth that draftees aren’t patriotic.
I joined the military, Go Army!, when I was 24, and stayed active duty for 5.5 years. I joined because I wanted to, and my belief is that we should make it optional, for all males and females, as they’re transitioning out of high school. One of the best experiences of my life, and gave me a reality check on my worldview.
Wow, to see Maher rail AGAINST Assange for exposing the corruption, duplicity, and outright lies being told to the American people by the government is quite disconcerting! I just lost a little respect for Maher…
@@ItsCalled-Football America can sanction any country if America is giving political or economic support. If the country chooses to not cooperate with certain policies. Is that not correct?
Unnecessarily uncharitable to young people. Whenever there are existential threats to the nation's sexurity, People, read young people, rose to the challenge and give up their lives in wars that old men create.
The benefit of the draft is that you actually have a citizen military. We currently have a volunteer military and a military coup is entirely possible.
Tulsi is applying for a job in a Trump Administration. Not one negative thing about the man from her and even deflected some questions with an answer that had nothing to do with the topic. Vice President maybe for Trump to appeal to the middle?
Well, this is not Europe or Israel. Americans have long loved to crow about how much they think we are the greatest, & this country is the greatest. But now it's all degraded into a thing that people will have to be forced into caring about. That will never work. Also, "service" & "serving" are words people love to bandy about & beat like a drum. It pumps up the ego, until you'd almost think that not every one of these 'services' came with a nice paycheck attached.
I was drafted in the 1960's and served. It was not something I liked or enjoyed, but it did not hurt me at all. Some draftees went to Vietnam and paid big, with their lives or limbs. So I was lucky. We who served gave up two years, were paid something like $80.00 per month gross pay so start. It was more of a minor inconvenience. The worst was the aggressive distain by those who found ways to avoid military service. But, I have never been sorry, I am glad I did serve!
"The worst was the aggressive distain by those who found ways to avoid military service." No, the worst part was being sent 10,000 miles away to die in a war that shouldn't have ever happened. 60 years later and you still can't admit the truth...
you can expose Government wrongdoing and hypocrisy without exposing clandestine field members, some of whom may be corrupt, while most are dedicated to this country.
We shouldn't have a draft. Instead, we should have two or three years of service right after high school where teens can get military training WITHOUT the possibility of being forced to serve in combat. This would help prepare them for either college or for a career that doesn't require a professional degree.
I agree about no religion in school but no gender drag queen reading hour either. It should only be math English etc. No indoctrination of someone life style
There is no Drag Queen reading hour. Conspiracy theory. Just like Critical race theory. It is NOT taught in schools. It's an elective in college. Geez.
When you are in the foxhole you’re gonna defend and be defended against the enemy. We saw this in Vietnam. Commandments are to be followed. Can the ppl promoting follow the commandments.
believe it or not , I was denied citizenship because I didn't register for Selective Service .. I was a Foreign Student studying in the US at the time and Never Understood what selective service meant , I could barely speak 10 words of English at the time , I thought it was Junk Mail and threw that letter it in the garbage .. i got penalized 10 years Penalty by the Immigration for Failure to register for SS .😠😡😡😡😠😠 .
It does, and the courts have ruled so. However, you cannot expect all public displays of religion to be forbidden. Consider everything else we have to see when we step outside our doors.
The bond between service members somehow being weaker if they were drafted, is so asinine. Once human beings are put in a war situation, the bond will automatically be there. Whether one was drafted or volunteered. Thats just how human psychology works. Same reason that Platoon leaders make everyone do pushups if one person is at fault. They don't separate them from 'drafted' and 'volunteered' before giving out the punishment.
Exactly - both sides of the American Civil War ended up using the draft, the United States used a draft upon entry into WWI, and beginning in September 1940, the US had its first "peacetime" draft as it prepared for WWII...and then kept the draft for Korea and Vietnam. Whether we can ever expect a war of such a magnitude to require millions of Americans under arms is a conversation topic - but that these three educated adults couldn't put a draft in context is...well...that...
If you want a well informed host this is not the show to watch. I think he gets great guests but when he opens his mouth it is often painful. Watch the episode from last season with Krystal Ball and Maher's lack of knowledge becomes painfully apparent.
I can't believe he relies on only mainstream cable tv news hosts and doesn't do any preparatory research via in-depth independent journalists, former military, or academics, where he might actually learn more about the issues and understand nuance, background, history, etc. Seems like having a show about politics would make you curious enough to do these things. I guess he's got enough hubris to just step onto the set and feel that wealth and class are all he needs to be "qualified." But 🤮.
I’m 24 born in 2000. I may not be much but I’d die for this country. This country is all I’ve ever known. I used to travel from state to state with my grandpa and the only good thing i guess he ever showed me is that we live in a beautiful country worth fighting for. Not all of gen z hates our country bill, we’re just a rare breed.
@@user-xu6bv7yh2j you’re making assumptions about what I believe. I’m a human and have a complex brain with a unique opinion. There are 8 billion people that means there are 8 billion different perspectives currently on the glob.
Gen Z don't hate America only the corrupt politicians who rule it. The politicians and the rich who own them are NOT America. Especially all the foreign billionaires like Murdoch who owns Fox News, or Musk who owns Twitter and are using their media power to divide us. People with a bit of brain can see this. Who owns the army? the rich. They send you to war not for the country, but for them. Like Trump said, we should have stolen all Iraq's oil. That's how rich people think. And that's what Halliburton did in Iraq. Use the military to steal another nation's resources. It's what Russia is doing in Ukraine, Israel in Gaze, and you the soldiers are their blind obedient lackeys. Wake the fuk up. In war you are not fighting for your country, You are fighting for the rich robbing the rich of other countries. What do you think WW2 was about? What did Hitler do with all the countries he conquered? Japan the same. Again, Wake the fuk up? War is mass robbery, Patriotism is how the rich manipulate the poor to kill for them. Why does Trump have houses and bank accounts all over the world? And all rich people. What patriots.
You can absolutely adore this country - the majority of the people in it and the Constitution and the natural beauty of the land. But that doesn't mean I would want to go and fight a rich man's war for profit or power. Unfortunately, this country has become an empire with out of control spending on the military, not just our own. Rome was an empire, too, and it died by spending all of its resources on wars and more wars, while the people and the nation struggled, couldn't afford the basics of life, and the infrastructure crumbled. The US ruling class, or the donor class if you will, is all about keeping their war mongering politicians in power, with big money contracts first for the weapons manufacturers and later for the big corporations that rebuild the nations that they demolish. It's a deadly game and it's not sustainable.
As a vet of the USMC I'm not in support of a draft. Wtf would I want someone who doesn't want to be there to cover my 6?!?! The Corps only wants those who want to be a Marine in the Corps
