It doesn't make sense for the right to focus on young voters. People tend to become more conservative as they get older, so the Tories don't need to appeal to young people because the Tory supporter base is wider. If they had policies for young people e.g. raising taxes for social services, then that would hit the middle-income households who disproportionately support the state and vote Tory, so they would actually lose votes overall. That was the reasoning that I inferred. It's not about being out of touch, it's about getting enough votes to win.
@@richardjbarlow what happened at the last election scared the s*** out of the Conservatives. Youngster's voting on mass, ironically those that have grown up with austerity and suffered the most at the hands of it, voting against it. And for every Conservative voter that dies of old age, another youngster hits voting age. They say as you get older you become more conservative, I say £50,000 worth of student debt will forever focus the mind on why that won't be happening.
Patrick Hickey I dunno - not true is it, when they're fascists and we just want to everybody to be kind&just to each other: but it's certainly an established outline of what conservatism ought to mean and what Labour need to do to help the problems we see.
Very true. I thought for once "brilliant, a civilised conversation were two people with a drastically different outlook can actually come to some consensus about a political issue..." but then it needs to be interrupted by someone with nothing but bitter and intolerance for an opposing view and then I'm reminded of the 2018 world we live in.
The Shy Guitarist In fairness, I would say a moderate intolerance, and mostly for the fact that He does like to spin, even many on the left know that. Ironically if you even comprehend a right wingers argument with 1/2 a mile of Corbyn, you get lynched by angry crazy people for being a Nazi, discussion isn't even allowed you are just aggressively shouted over.
Tories - pretty much "well we had to start from nothing" - which was way easier when there were things such as jobs for life, social housing, house prices that were 5 times cheaper so you didn't need to have a 30+ year mortgage, final salary pensions, affordable public transport and affordable gas and electric. None of which these "entitled youngsters" will have ever known.
You can reference every current study that shows that "Millennials" are staying in more, are spending less and are saving more, and the majority are all too aware that they have to work hard to expect the same living standards as the boomer generation. Unfortunately even with those changes,they still can't afford property where they grew up even with combined incomes of £80k, they're still unable to get a mortgage over £300k. Which if you're in the home counties means you're forever in a 1 or 2 bed flat. But I forgot we just need to work harder.
gjw i despise that 'i did it all myself' bs that some people (usually tories) come out with. give birth to themselves, did they? teach themselves reading writing 'rithmatic? nurse and operate themselves well again? you made a v. good point btw but could've also mentioned the free universities which the ungrateful, entitled youth of today no longer have access to.
GJW When was that BTW? at 48 in my time, , there was over 3 million unemployed in the 80's, year long miners strikes , IRA bombings , threat of imminent nuclear war , inflation that made wages worthless, , cheaper houses BUT mortgage interest rates of over 10% and higher (mine was fixed at 12% at the start) social housing - now socially funded (rented) housing final salary pensions were screwed by law changes (they were based on people leaving early not collecting) and not enough remain workers to fund them (YOU pay your grandfathers pension ALWAYS - the "pot" is a Myth) "affordable" public transport , gas and electric were subsidies by taxes so high Micheal Cain left the country (just like U2 moving from Eire today) little FACT for you, a family food bill used be over 50% of the family income - "back in the good old days"???
If you take my parents, who are 70 and of the age it is almost required for young socialists to hate and blame for everything, they didn't earn huge wages. They worked bloody hard, saved hard and were careful with their money rather than pissing it up against a wall. That seems to have been forgotten.
That young guy you were talking to was actually pretty intelligent, and was making probably the most decent case for voting Tory, and then that lady was like "don't talk to him, he's Owen Jones".
In fairness to the lady, had it have been a reverse situation, the interviewer would of been screamed at for being Nazi. She was a wallflower by comparison. And in reality he does twist things, plenty of people on the left will tell you that. Go read the guardian comments section, universal criticism.
A little? He is too emotionally invested, the worst type of journalist..the one who thinks he is on some kind of moral crusade, he has already made his mind up and just spends his time looking for those to back up his cherry picked argument. He has little interested in learning, just preaching.
Owen Jones is a likeable character, and pretty intelligent, but speaking as someone who leans left of centre, he gets it wrong on identity politics IMO. He should focus more on closing tax loopholes for the uber rich, renationalising utilities and the railways and creating greater opportunities for the young working class. Too many on the left are fixated on dividing people into tribes based on arbitary identity traits, like race, gender & sexuality, when in fact what a true solcialist should be doing is promoting the idea that we are all as one within a society, and not implying that certan groups should have special protections and rights. This approach causes division and resentment, which some would say is a deliberate tactic, but I'm inclined to think it's more born out of stupidity and a desperation to be seen as 'modern' and down with minorities. In their own way, the left lack pragmatism and vision a much as the conservative right do.
@@WarrenCromartie2 I agree with your thoughts about ID politics, and I think this speaks for many people, they feel the left has abandoned them for what can only be seen this days as some kind of militant lunacy. Regards to OJ, you may as well read a pamphlet as far as I am concerned, he just says the same thing over and over, he has little interest in exploring anything that may criticise his beliefs, he has little interest in learning, he assumes he knows it all, he assumes others just aren't knowledgeable to get to his mindset yet, as if they are missing, and cannot comprehend that someone might just come to a different conclusion, he has been proved wrong so many times now its become laughable, yet off he goes again to tell you how right he is. He is seen as a bit of a joke both within the right and the left it seems.
The lady at 4:15 is right. I myself, for example, just expect to be able to buy a house when I have a good paying job. But I can't because I'm always spending everything I have on avocados.
"Yeah. What are we all complaining about? The future looks great... gulp" Yeah, as the other tory mentioned, we don't need radical solutions because I guess there's little wrong with the world at the moment. Anything that's wrong with the world is all the young "want something for nothing" generations' fault,. Problems like accidentally depleting a good majority of the oil supply and leaving a materialistically driven world dependent on burning fossil fuels to power its greed. Instead of wanting something for nothing, why can't we have the more "can-do" attitude of wanting something so much that we basically empty the planet of what it has to get it?
She meant to say "I got everything thanks to the efforts of the post war Labour government. Then as Tories we have pulled up the ladder that we worked to climb to watch the millennials cling on with their fingernails, and imply that they are lazy"
And if it's not an avocado, it's a car and car parts, or jaunts to Amsterdam and other places, even just clubbing every weekend racks up enormous costs. We have every right to choose how we spend our money, but it's only up to us to see that we can channel that wealth to afford anything we really need in the future, like a house.
It’s already been said this conference represents a party devoid of ideas. Personally I think that’s unfair. Why fix something when it’s not broken? It’s taken years of dedicated and coordinated hard work for Tories to get the population of this country exactly where they want them - on zero hour contracts, living on the streets and reliant upon food banks, gross personal debt sustaining an economy for the richest, tolerating massive corporate remuneration, tolerating massive tax avoidance, in-work poverty, fear of old age destitution and loneliness, stratospheric rent with no protections, poor quality unaffordable housing, mental health ignored, under-funded state education, a NHS that needs people dying on trolleys in corridors before it’s given inadequate investment, student life-long debt, working young adults needing Help to Buy (inflate) to afford a f*cking house!, and toleration of a vile Tory owned press that has regular meetings in No10 to coordinate attacks on our democracy .....this, and much much more, is a Tory success story that needs celebrating not correcting with silly and pathetic Corbyn-like ideas. Pull up your ladder, vote Conservative.....For the Few, Not the Many.
@Neil Sumner I work 5 days a week 8 hours a day bud, I pay my tax and do as I wish. If im the ill informed one you should see all the vote labour signs on the council estate in my area. Half of them don't even work lol. I think i'm on the right side. ;)
@Neil Sumner I'd praise anyone who has the balls to actually work but in this day and age but all I see is students who are too blinded to see how privlaged they actually are crying over the fact they can't live in socialist state. Ya'll learn nothing from history?
Hahaha tories are so rattled! 'oooh you spin the camera, ooo oooh' Owen you have them all over the place, it's like watching QPR trying to defend a corner!
Well i am definitely not a tory or a supporter of them but The left has totally lost the plot recently. I believe they are the ones who are completely disconnected from ordinary working people in this country. I am a normal working man and i hate both party's but the ridiculous idealist views of the left are driving the majority towards the right. Only really young people mainly University students that have been brainwashed by far left professors are naive enough to listen to Labour at all. Owen is the worst, most childish politicians i have ever seen. Theresa is terrible too.
Ant Land - the largest demographic of Tory voters these days appear to be the working class, this video is not an accurate representation. I am also aware many do acutely know how many on the left live, hence why they vote Tory.
@@schrodingersferret4092...well it appears judging by your comment that the average working class tory voted for Blair back in the nineties then doesn't it? No staying power it seems. Both you and I know full well they're not tories, they just vote for whoever the Sun tells them to vote for.
Ant Land, the middle ground who now vote Tory did vote for Blair, what your point? They have staying power, they stay wither their convictions and choose the party that align with them the most, that to me sounds logical. Ironically many of those on the left vote specifically for the opposite of what the Sun says. Either side can be played, either side has their fair share of emotionally led drones, it's not hard look at the cult of Corbyn FFS
@@schrodingersferret4092... the middle ground voter has little or no interest in politics and will inevitably play safe and follow the crowd out of fear of being the odd one out. So regardless of their convictions they'll vote for the party that has the largest support from the media. So weak is their staying power that if, for what ever reason, the tv and press decided to push the Lib dems as the go to party for change then they would vote for them instead. Far from being the type of voter you like to think they are the middle ground voter is neither left nor right, they are essentially what ever they're told to be. It would be better if they stayed at home on polling day.
Conservatives far more soviet union than Labour ever could be. 'If you twist this /don't say anything keep quiet' '.. What was that, a threat? If Owen Jones interviews their members and they don't stick to script, Owen will be in trouble? Watch The right wing heavies coming over when young conservatives start speaking their mind on camera and forget the party line. That's the authority we all know and love from the free speech loving modern conservative. Free speech, provided you agree with them. Typical hard right Jo Cox murdering conservatives.
Reminds me of that article wrote claiming that the Tories should eb scared because Russell brand endorsed Labour. The Tories went on to win the next general election.
Martin Locke Julia Hartley Brewer was there, why didn't he interview her?????? She's lovely Oh Yes She made him cry & run away on National Television, just can't take this bewilderingly smug lightweight seriously. Still having nightmares about the Fascist, homophobic, white supremacist, bigot, Nazi, Cat Killing, Climate change causing Julia Hartley Brewer, Owen?? lol
Because they thought he would add spin to the footage ...they explained that. Btw I'm not criticizing him as it seemed to be a fair piece of journalism.
Conservatives are the biggest socialists of the lot. All money given to them from family, their status and property given to them on a plate. If you need support though, you're lazy and so should be punished as you're not really a human how they are. That's how the 'I'm alright jack' mob think.
Yep, and anyone who isn't in that fortunate position just needs to work harder. The women commentating that she started with nothing.. bet they still bought their first house with a single wage, probably for under £30k, now 40-50 years later of riding the housing market, finds herself financially well off, honestly believing she worked hard for her capital.
have to say you reported on the conference really well and posed some very good questions that a lot of people want to know about the Tories, it's a shame that so many members wanted to stifle the questions
Owen praised the socialist government in Venezuela and then blamed everyone but the Marxist scum in charge for the poverty repression and torture. I know Venezuelans, Jones doesn't. He is a fraud and a fantasist.
GordonFreeman The Left uses reason and logic to explain it’s policies, which are proved to be more successful in creating a just society and a narrowing of the gap between rich and poor. Unfortunately, the Tories and their right wing friends are nothing but thugs and bullies who sow division and impoverish the majority of people because they are selfish, greedy and materialistic with no sense of common humanity. The prevailing system in the UK and in the US is Disaster Capitalism which profits the wealthy whilst impoverishing millions worldwide with proxy wars and sanctions. This corrupt system bankrupts the real economy at regular intervals (the next financial crash is imminent) and destroys the environment.
@@Madyoke 100 Million? Where did you get that number from? The Black Book of Communism? That's where it originated from but I'm guessing you heard it in a youtube video and just started repeating it. If you actually read the book, or just researched the claims made in it, you'd see that it isn't accurate. If you want to get funny, technically, Hitler was a victim of socialism ;)
@@thomasshaw2762 considering my girlfriend of 9 years was born in the Soviet union, her father was conscripted to the army and having received 1st hand accounts from her family including a grandmother, I dont think a youtube video would inform me as well as people who are family to me giving me their first hand experience. Now take your generic troll answer and offer it somewhere else. Communism is evil and people who ignore the famine, genocides, religious, persecutions, pogroms, gulags like you are as bad as holocaust deniers.
love that older woman who said these kids today expect everything without working for it.. just to say kids today only expect the same as what she had, you know, access to reasonably priced rental accomodation, access to the housing ladder, access to free education, access to job security and a decent pension.. you know.. those things that people of her generation had and supposedly worked hard for! hahaha.. also funny that when Owen asked why people didn't like Corbyn it was generic answers "he'll take us back to a communist corbyn land" or "I don't like his policies".. not "I don't agree with re-nationalisation" or "i don't agree with his stance on collective bargaining".
The guy you got rudely interrupted talking to didn't seem to care. Was happy to talk to you even though you disagree completely. It's almost like he knew that you were asking a valid question.
@@ianholloway9555 Well, film, even when edited, does depict what happened. We saw enough for it to definitely be fine to say they shut him down. They even got a PR minder involved and mobbed the camera.
Fantastic video. Definitely a party on the ropes based on the obsessed with Labour merchandise on sale at the conference. Absolutely priceless moment at about the 2 minutes 10 mark when the tory staffers desperately scramble to shut down an innocent interview! Totally correct to call them insecure. All of May's terrible sound-bites are rapidly coming back to haunt her.
Everyone but the top 15% of earners. They only got 17% of the vote in that GE, which means only about 2% of tory voters are poor and stupid, the rest are greedy, self serving, self interested or just moronic. Or all of the above 😄
They lost the last GE, and shook the magic money tree to bribe the DUP. They lost in 2010, and formed a coalition. They did actually win in 2015, just.
The video should be titled “ I was allowed to report at the Tory party conference and not banned like * cough ... Julia Hartly-Brewer at future labour conferences” lol
Owen's doing this for a newspaper and his channel so It's completely fair that he's going to go in with his own ideas, and I know that when I watch his videos. All in all, he did an excellent job of giving a unbiased look into the conference, great video!
@@jonathanwilson8951 if by homework you mean look at the sanctions and agitation from the USA who will do anything to prevent Venezuela being successful then maybe you need to read yours again before you hand it in.
No way ..... lol.... surely people aren't trying to use the argument that the west is to blame for Venezuela's implosion are they? C'mon, they've got to be trolling. Every time man, lol every single time. Vietnam , Cambodia, Romania, Soviet union , China, Congo, ethiopia, afghanistan, north korea , and of course Venezuela, to name a few off the top of my head. honestly, the list goes on and on , and every single one when we get to the innevitable poverty, famine, and tyranny followed by collapse , we get the same 2 statements , every time, no exceptions. The first is ' yeah but that wasnt real socialism' then you get 'its the wests fault, capitalism is the reason it failed' ... come on man, its getting ridiculous now Haha..
The thing is there is a lot more Tories out there than people think. We just don't like saying it because the left wing people keep hating on us rather than trying to win us over.
By the way, the police presence necessary for the tories to safely gather in Birmingham is truly astonishing. I was speaking to a WMP officer Saturday morning and it is clear they still view the tories as their lords and masters.
@@gordonthefreeman I'm a top rate tax payer Gordon and unless you earn over £250k per year I expect I pay a damn sight more tax than you. So scuttle back under yr tory rock.
It's called the conservative party you genius! It's not the party of revolutionary Marxist ideas. The party is a place of preservation of traditions and a steady change of norms over time and that's the way I like it and the reason why Britain has never underwent the fascist way of Germany or the brutal tyranny of the communist Leninist/ Stalinist. I it's the common sense party of the UK.
Funny - the young guy that they effectively stopped from having a conversation made the most sense out of all of them. Can’t disagree with his premise. Wow. That was weird. But the right stands for free and open enquiry. Lol.
2:26 was a real 'group think' moment. Nobody objected to Owen as an interviewer all day, but suddenly as soon as one person has an issue a coercive group forms.
The last Labour government screwed it up for the next generation (house prices rocketing, introduction of tuition fees, bankrupting the country again), so it amazes me that the young want to vote them back in again for more abuse. The Tories have worked hard to resolve Labour's disaster, much like the time before. Hard work isn't glamourous or 'exciting', but it gets the job done.
@Vulkan. 1. Ven has a primarily capitalist economy with a socialist government, your fuck up was in presuming the flavour of the government. 2. In the economics profession systems are defined by their method of production, for example: Slave> Master - slave system Lord> Serf - feudalism Employer>Employee - capitalism. It does not matter if it is the state who is the top down employer, or private. They are both forms of capitalism, state capitalism, and private capitalism. en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/state_capitalism 3. 80% of the Venezuelan economy is private capitalism, with the remaining 20% made up of state capitalism and some democratic socialism. 4. Further example of how it is utterly stupid to think X government = X economy. China has a communist government with a 40/60 split state and private capitalist economy. 5. Venezuela is not a dictatorship. The right have been repeatedly invited to stand their candidates at election. They refuse because they know they are far from the majority in the nation. One of their leading figures did stand at the last election and he was reprimanded and forced not to stand by his own damned side, because if he did and lost, it breaks the narrative the mostly right wing private billionaire owned Venezuelan press spins to our press. 6. Is is a shit show? yes, but for none of the reason you've had your mind manufactured into believing. Also keep in mind Venezuela has the worlds second largest oil reserves, the west would like them back. Thus concludes the lesson on how your head got stuck so far up your own arse. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_fV-C1Ag5sI.html
It's a dictatorship caused by socialist policies... I mean, how convenient is to take advantage over nationalized private property that would be communal property in their utopian future... That is worse than free market capitalism consequences.
As a labour supporter, I thought that lad had a point about individual and steady change and then Owen got attacked by the petrified oldies! Personal responsibility is incredibly important. Socialism becomes more solid when we acknowledge the individual within the collective.
I cannot believe that Owen says at 7:08 that a Soviet Socialist country sounds like a great place to live. Anyone with that mindset needs to read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Such ignorance.
The woman at 4:10 really annoyed me. It's the fact that young people work hard and yet still can't afford to actually "make something" of themselves in a traditional sense (own a home, start and provide for that family like the older generation could do on a basic wage) that's pissing younger people off. Young people work harder now than ever before for far, far less. Older people have bought second homes and rent them out at extortionate prices, preventing young people from getting on in life, then blame it on us for being "entitled". No wonder there's a committee for intergenerational fairness, because my god, this situation is just fostering a massive sense of disillusion between generations.
Well he's not here atm so I'll fill in for him. Owen is a hypocrite and suffers from selective outrage. He goes on about the evils of tax avoidance and terrible employers yet he sells his books on Amazon and works for the Guardian which uses the Cayman islands as a tax haven. He goes on about the far right and Saudi Arabia yet how often do we see him condemn Iran, a country that has executed over 4000 people in the last 40 years for being homosexual, a country that paid Corbyn £20k for some tv appearances which he was happy to accept and then claimed it wasn't a lot of money.
I think the problem with the tory party is that they focus more on "we're the lesser of two evils" (which i don't agree with) and don't really focus on saying "we're going to do this and this" they focus more on "Labour are going to do this and this, which we don't like". They simply focus on labour all the time, and that works when labour aren't doing very well, but when labour /is/ doing well, all reason to support them falls through. The labour party is different. Yes they do talk about the tories being bad, but it isn't everything they do. They talk about how they are better, how they are good. They talk more about the things they will do to make the country better, and less on what the tories will do to make the country worse
Has anyone ever taken the cost of the average gas and electricity bill in the year before it was privatised and adjusted it for inflation so we can accurately compare it with the average bill today? Then we'd be able to see exactly how much competition has failed the customer.
I’m not a fan of the Tories but when has socialism actually ever worked? It hasn’t. That’s why I worry for the future of the country, because every proposal doesn’t work.
Socialism. You mean like: schools, roads, NHS, police and fire brigades, clean water & sewage systems, food and drugs quality and safety assurance? I mean, look at the HELL HOLE of Scandinavia. You can't have a dialog about "socialism" when it's confused with "communism". They are NOT the same thing. Even Communism wasn't what it was purported to be, it was a distraction as one privileged aristocracy was replaced by another. Give me Denmark's ability to maintain a high-standard of living while balancing taxes, social services, and capitalism.
Socialism works worldwide and has done for the last 100 years. Soviet Union, Cuba, Vietnam, Korea, China and so on. Elements of the left wing ideology prevalent in capitalist nations, such as nationalised health service and the like, are some of the most popular pieces of infrastructure in the world.
Wow - those leading questions.. haha. Terrible interviewing. Not that he needs to be exposed as an ardent leftist. He’s done a good job of that over his career. Luckily not many people take this chap seriously!
‘socialism is more exciting’ - I can imagine it is when you don't own the fruits of your labour, and are left wondering where your next meal is coming from
Really enjoyed the insight into this crowd. They're an odd mix - accusing the left of being into old ideas, whilst also being obsessed with engaging with younger people.
I find it almost humorous how these young, rather clueless, ideologically driven, liberal arts, etc college/University educated/indoctrinated tools really seriously, imagine that they are actually working class. The Labour party have had little truck with, interest in, or ideas to help the actual REAL working folk of the UK. The ones who actually DO get on with shit, and build, manufacture, maintain, repair, clean, cook and keep this fucking country actually going. Whilst entitled, spoiled, whiny wet behind the ears little shitehawks like Owen denigrate, belittle and look down on normal people, who have known fuck all but hard graft and tough lives. But Hey! They are now old. So fuck 'em. What do they know. They didn't get our "education". LOL. I would love to see Owen and his ilk actually have to do a real job of work. I doubt they would last the day out. Send the wanker's on a North sea oil rig, or North Atlantic trawler, or a small building site,or down the pit, if we have any left at all. The last election I very, very nearly voted Conservative for the first time in my life. I could not bring myself do do so. However, as things stand, I can never foresee me voting Labour again. Things would need to change markedly. And I'm not talking about going even more Socialist/Marxist/Communist. And I'm certainly not talking about going more ridiculously PC, feminist, open borders, and anti free speech. The real working class of this country, and the mid to lower middle class really are stuck between a rock and a hard place to shitelately, and have been for some time. Ironically, it will be the self same grafting toiling working folk who will have to dig in even deeper, to get us out of any shithole we end up in. Again. But then who else is there to do it? To put in all the graft again? I doubt it is going to be Owen and his chuckling, giggling chums. Yet remarkably, and utterly unself awarely he sees himself as being totally the opposite of the Tory posh boys. He is at best the other side of the very same coin. And the similarities and parallels are quite startling.
Benjamin - not really, no, because if you haven't realised it by now, you must be as thick as a dog dirt! Jesus!!!! Care to offer evidence.... Even Owen's fanboy are turning into parodies of them selves. He said.... .... send evidence.... WT actual F!!!!
Let's make something clear. Some of us weren't around before Thatcher, and then Blair, got rid of much of the UK's socialist policies. So it is fair to say, as one Conservative interviewed here says, that we can't honestly say what it was like before Thatcher. However, I have been to the Labour Party conference, and I have met a lot of socialists, both in the UK and outside the UK, and many of them _were_ around at the time, and they still consider that socialism is a good principle. If the postwar consensus shared by both Labour and Conservative governments between 1945 and 1979 was basically a bad thing for all involved, then older people in the Labour Party would not exist. Yet they do!
Owen, you are such a massive self-publicist. Hope you are doing the righteous moves and distributing all the wealth you are gaining from this amongst us the working classes
The youngish guy @2:20 makes a good point - a lot of people I know who lean more towards conservatism do so because while they agree with the ideas of the left and socialism (we have a lot socialism in our society) as the end point believe the type of radical steps often proposed are too big and come with potential negative impacts where as if small changes are made over a period of time society can slowly adjust to them.
