It's common sense really that all fabrics wet out if the membrane is on the inside, whether laminated or not. Makes no difference how expensive they are . The real difference with a laminated membrane is better breathability and quicker drying.
It is common sense but that a jacket holds its water doesn't do much good for keeping warm. More expensive laminate jackets bead off and I guess that's the difference. And arguably the downside with a laminate is its lack of breathability, hence why the vents are so important. I'll see how I get on with that one.
Thanks for the update Nathan, I just got back from the Dragon rally, really wet on the way back, but I copied your idea with the RAF goretex jacket brilliant cheers perfectly dry, just a little bulky
I bought one of these, it does get wet on the outside, but it dries a lot quicker than my RST jacket did. It's comfortable and warm. I was going to get the trousers too, but all they have done with the short leg version is chop a bit off the bottom, so the knee protector is halfway down your shin.
@@BorisKarloff66 The only trousers I have found where the knees are ok is Armr Indo ii textile trousers. They are advertised as summer trousers but the removable liner is actually warm enough in winter, I use them all the time in the winter.
It seems to me it would be so much easier to have three seperate tops: an uninsulated and not water proof protective motorcycle jacket to which you can add a fleece underneath for warmmth and a waterproof jacket on top. So much simpler and more flexible.
I've use laminate gore tex jackets quite a bit and the outer fabric layer always soaks eventually. You can add more water repellent with sprays or wash-in stuff which does really help prevent this happening in a shower, but if you're in persistent rain then it's just a matter of time. Still better than a waterproof inner liner though as there's less outer layer to get soaked so it'll dry off much quicker.
Jacket is warm, waterproof and its cheap for a laminated without DWR treatment. It has as a waterproof membrane laminated to the outer liner called dry2dry with a 10000mm hydrostatic head which is less than 1/3 of the 28000mm not 3xs more expensive stay dry for 11 hours shifts under heavy stormy rains (not 2 or 3h like this one) goretex pro laminated 3l membranes. This jacket because it doesn't have a DWR (Durable Water Repellent) treatment on the outer liner soaks up loads of water and stays wet for 2 to 3 days depending on your house's temperature. Sent back and will never buy a non laminated goretex pro jacket without a DWR treatment on the outer again as without this it gets soaked and takes 2 to 3 days to dry without using the heater as required which is not good for professional every day use but for an occasional sunday greenlaning outing should be fine. You get what you pay for.
Interesting you found that this was a warm jacket. I have just bought one of these and found it not as warm as an old worn out 6 year old Dainese jacket. I had no problems with the cuffs over winter gloves. There are some nice features that I like. The collar fastening and fitment is really good. Really like the way that the "thermal" inner is fitted to the jacket, with colour coded fasteners and loops. The pockets are good and I like the double zip fastening system on the front of the jacket.Didn't notice any problem with water proofing in a 5 hour ride heavy intermittent Welsh rain. Think this jacket is more suited to be a 3 season jacket or a commuting jacket. I also have the trouser to go with this jacket and they are very drafty round the ankles no matter how tight you make the velcro fastener. The trousers are extremely baggy.
Your point About “ wetting out “ and not beading is how waterproof jackets work. If you want something that doesn’t get wet or water rolls off your not going to get it in a textile jacket. It wets out as that’s how it dries itself to surely? Letting the air dry the jacket ?
Thanks MA. I'm not an expert in it, but a 'better' laminate jacket or event just a good regular textile jacket the water just beads and runs off the jacket. The Oxford just seemed to allow it absorb more, which is fine unless you're camping on an evening and you've got a wet jacket in there with you. But it's still a decent jacket for the money, just didn't suit me.
nathanthepostman yep I see your point, hence why I don’t camp. In Uk your better off with a Yha or b&b where there is a drying room / heating. I used Hein Gericke vortex for years and they wetted out and you could actually feel the water but the membrane kept ya dry 100% of the time. If you treat clothing with Nikeax that helps but rain / water by its very nature will always find a way to get past the Nikwax. I like the look of this jacket and need to replace my hein gerick stuff ( do miss their shops ) and most of not all have given it rave reviews.
@@moa1919 Yeah definitely, a lot of people seem to like it, but I personally just didn't think it was a very good 'adventure' jacket, by that I mean trips where you're camping and on the road for a longer period of time when you need something a bit higher in the neck and longer in the jacket. But best best is to find somewhere to try one on and see if it suits you. Shame Hein Gerick went out of business.
Hi I was concerned that you said that the water didn’t beed off . Contacted Oxford technical department they said that the water should definitely beed off not wet out Interesting???
missedenflyer said that the outter surface looks very wet but no water got through maybe the outter does get wet but the laminate coating stops it going further.The outter fabric is suppose to dry very quickly so get someone to hose you down and do a timed drying test.
Have you seen the Oxford Mondial Long Motorcycle Jacket WP Sports 3 IN 1CE Back protector Included which is a 3 piece longer jacket It says that the inner waterproof jacket can be taken out and used as a rainproof over jacket. Just wondered if anyone has got one of these - and, if so - what d they think of it as I haven't been able to find any reviews on it.
To be honest I sold it within about a month, so I suppose that sums up my feeling about it. I just didn't get on with it, although I know many are very happy with it.
I’ve got a klim overland jacket, this gets wet and the water soaks into the outer but the difference is it does not get to the other side of the material. With a jacket with a drop liner you will get damp/water between the two layers, this then has to pass back through as it’s drying with a laminated jacket this is not the case. My klim jacket is for winter only so I’ve also bought the Oxford jacket as another klim would have been £400 plus. I would stick with it, you will find that is dry’s very quickly compared to a drop liner jacket and is a lot more water proof. If you getting water down the collar you could use a balaclava that’s water proof and sits outside of the jacket like this www.spidi.com/ww_en/balaclava-h2out-3.
