@@jay-no9qq I feel you man. I started with Liz, but switched to Minazuki and started beating my friend consistenly with a 2 hour minazuki (we played for like 3 hours total, the first 30 mins or so was me trying to beat his Narukami with my Liz (I failed)). The remaining 2 and a half hours was me trying to beat his Marie with my fresh brand new Minazuki. I adapted in the timeframe and started to consitently beat his Marie, and then for the final match he played Narukami and I won. He was so salty afterwards, lol. TLDR; Liz is pretty hard, I was like u, I loved Liz at first, but dropped her for Minazuki. If you have the time to get good and stuff, I'd suggest picking up Maragaret, she's better than Liz, and is high tier. She just takes a lot of time to learn and play at a high level.