Click here to find out why clomages (homages that might as well be clones) might not be for you: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6ou13Gy1hVk.html
Thank you @ender1077! Learning about watches has been quite the rewarding experience! My hope is that more people my age start getting interested in watches as well. Thanks for sharing
I have fallen in love with the three Pagani watches I have. The amount of value I have gotten (which is also equal to the amount of enjoyment) is amazing!!!
I like the design of watches - I don't like wearing expensive brand names- so a homage watch will work for me.... as long as it does the same thing a very expensive watch does: tells time.
The problem is that nowadays watch tells much more than just time. Actually, time is the only thing that homage tells the same way as the original watch. And it's up to you whether it's enough for you or you need more from your watch than just knowing time.
@@siberianwatchlover true, there are watches for dressing up, and daily beaters that keep us on time - but then there are utilitarian watches that can do lots of cool things and have all sorts of complications- and of course, the smart watches which interface with your smart phone and give you all sorts of informational applications. It is all about what you like and what you need.
@@spankyharland9845 I think his point was that watches aren't primarily about telling the time anymore, they are essentially jewellery - A way to say something about yourself to the outside world. In the case of high end watches it's about conveying status or wealth. Really what homages do is tell people you want to look wealthier than you are by mimicking the real thing. Like having a kit car that looks like a lambo.
I've been wearing my Pagani designs Batgirl homage every day for the past 3 weeks I must say the jubliee bracelet is so comfortable. Gets compliments daily . I love it .
It's your money so buy whatever you like and can afford. But as you get deeper into this crazy hobby you won't be satisfied until you can get the real thing, whatever the real thing is to you. I've been into this hobby for a long time and have few high-end watches but lately, I'm going for more inexpensive but well-made watches like Tissot PRX and Certina Divers. They're good looking, fun to wear and don't have to worry about scratching them. It's nice seeing young folks like you getting into this hobby.
100% I actually made a video about this. It was called the Homage "Problem". I realized that after a while, watch collecting becomes less of trying to acquire as many watches as possible and more so trying to learn and appreciate different watches. Thanks for sharing
Really like your videos, it's refreshing to see a RU-vid channel where there is no commercial undertone to the content. Surprised about the specs of the Pagani GMT for the price, it exceed anything else I've heard of that is being sold at a similar price. Though, saving on design costs must be helping them. Personally really like the heritage of watches and the brands. In that sense homages aren't my thing. Though, don't have anything against them either. I can understand that heritage might not be so important to others that it prevents them from going for homages. And why not, they provide some of the best value specs-wise. The copied design also kind of is flattery to the excellence of the original. It's not like Homages try to be fakes and they are rarely done to a quality level where they compete with the original. (Like the crown on the Pagani GMT, I do think it looks off.) The alternative you propose of building your own watch, interesting.. Might actually build a watch myself, didn't even consider it as an option. Even though it won't have brand heritage, it will have a personal, on a personal level kind of heritage to it. And that is just cool if you'd ask me.
Hi @basbas63! Thanks for the compliment! I think our viewpoints align almost perfectly. I couldn't recommend building your own watch more (unless of course you have no patience). It's really easy to grow a 'bond' with your diy watch (a bond that so many unsatisfied watch collectors wish they had). Thanks for commenting!
I think I only have one Pagani, it's the Speedy Clomage. Mecha Quartz movement, same dimensions. I took it off the bracelet, wore it around for a week on a nato style strap, and now it lives in a drawer in the kitchen until I need to time something I'm cooking. And I don't feel any FOMO about not having a Speedy. Cost me far less than I would lose buying a real Speedmaster and selling it at a loss. And I did that during the virus times, when I couldn't go out shopping. That said, when Seiko launched their affordable GMT, I liked the Batman one, and went out and bought one. Then San Martin put one in an "original design" watch (basic skin diver, but not a blatant rip off of anything), and I got one of those, too. I will 100% wear the San Martin before the Seiko. Wears thinner, very well finished, better bracelet, sapphire crystal, and I actually enjoy wearing it. But I've spent enough time just buying cheap watches, and not long ago finished saving up for a Christopher Ward the Twelve. It's a great watch and I love wearing it. But does Christopher Ward actually have more "Heritage" than the Chinese watch companies? Isn't the Twelve viewed by some as a clomage? I have started to go a little up market in my collection, but I also have seen some guys wearing humble Casios that they are perfectly happy with. And you know what? If you are happy with the watch you wear, that's all that matters. 95% of people won't even notice you are wearing a watch, much less be able to recognize who made it.
Chinese watches are all good until you get a faulty one sent and you realise they have no warranty or customer service and nobody in your country will repair , work or service it. Seiko please.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment! I do think that Christopher Ward lacks some of the horological charm of some other brands, but I do think that their unique touches to a design make their watches worth it. If for instance, an AliExpress brand starting making actual homages with their own take on a design, I would usually be just as inclined to recommend them as a Christopher Ward. But at the end of the day, a Casio is all you really need 😂
Thanks for reviewing their sub! About the fitment, one thing I noticed is how far over the clasp sits on your wrist in the opening wrist roll. Then at 5:24, I see that you have 4 links on the outside part of the bracelet and 5 links on the inside. I would suggest taking the bracelet off and flipping the whole thing 180 degrees. That way you have 4 links on the inside and 5 on the outside of your wrist. That would get the clasp centered more on your wrist and then the micro adjust is set up to the short side if you need further adjustment. I do this with all my watches now, since I usually have 4 on the inside and 7 on the outside. I think you'll see a big increase in comfort and that can make a difference when you are at the limits of lug to lug dimensions. And yes 100% agree with building your own watch! It's not that hard.
Thank you for the suggestion @roo2dee2! I will definitely keep that tip in mind. Currently, I have it on a jubilee that fits my wrist MUCH better. After building my first watch, I almost immediately went onto AliExpress to see how the building experience would differ. I am super excited to build it. One pesky thing about Ali unfortunately is the slow shipping times. Every part of the watch has arrived except for the hands. I ordered the parts back in May. Thanks for commenting!
I hope you keep producing content. Exemplary work and delivery. I might have to add this one to the collection but I worry about it being spotted at a Rolex from a distance.
It is about the specs not the designs for me. Where else can I get sapphire, solid links, on-the fly adjustable clasp and ceramic bezels for 100-200 bucks? BTW, Timex, Casio, Invicta, Fossil, Bulova all have direct copies of the Rolex sub for example. I don't buy those watches (even though they have superior heritage) at all, Instead I buy Sugess and Cronos, and San Martin watch for the build quality.
Two weeks ago, Britt Pearce did a side by side comparison between the 5 figure Rolex GMT and 3 figure Seiko GMT. I suggest you also get your hands on a Seiko GMT, and do a side by side comparison between a clomage and an original. I am curious to see your real time thought process while handling both types of watches. While watching this video, my primary thought was, your time and energy would have been better off reviewing an original Seiko GMT. Then i wondered, how can you make your voice original and unique compared to the other review videos of the Seiko GMT thats already out there? Making a comparison video between a clomage GMT and an origjnal GMT at similar budget points would definitely do that.
@eman331 thank you for commenting and making some great suggestions! A comparison between the two watches does sound like quite the intriguing video. Thanks for the great idea!
@@TimeTickerOfficial I also noticed that a lot of watch review channels get their hands on models from stores, such as Exquisite Timepieces and Saltzman, and those stores in turn get publicity. That way, reviewers are able to handle and review watches, without having to purchase them. Look for watch stores in your community and see if you can do similar collaborations. Cheers. ⌚
Great review, some of the Aliexpress watch brands are fantastic value for money, Steeldive, San Martin etc. They make half the stuff for the more expensive brands anyway so they know what they are doing. I'm currently in a microbrand phase, I feel some of these give fantastic value for money also, when you compare them to a really expensive premium brand there might be a 10x difference in price but in no way is there a 10x difference in quality. Buying a smaller clasp might allow you to get your watch to fit, might not look as nice but at least it will allow for a snugger fit.
Haha! I agree. Luxury watches can have quite exorbitant prices. Micros are a part of this watch hobby that I have to explore further. Thanks for sharing
“Heritage” is a completely virtual aspect or “dimension” or whatever you may call it. And it is very much an individual thing if you attribute value to something like that or not. For me personally it is marketing BS made up to justify overinflated prices of luxury watches. My experience with lots of cheap and expensive watches is that there is no correlation between the fun you have with a watch and its price. So it is “buy what you enjoy” for me and I appreciate your more realistic or relaxed approach to the subject you seem to have developed since that other video (which I found rather patronizing at the time).
Sometimes when listening to watch content creators, the marketing fluff can become very obvious. I also think I came off a bit too strong in my other video, so I want to thank you for sticking around!
It is hilarious when some of the self appointed watch experts make a video, and bleat about history, and heritage, then a couple of videos later they are promoting some “micro-brand” that’s been around for only a couple of years!
The whole history-heritage gimmick is simply marketing, like insisting people ignore buying a Tesla, and instead should choose a Ford, since Ford has been building cars for over 110 years..
I own a Heimdallr Captain Willard homage. Pretty well made and rugged. Like another commenter said, I like the design of watches, but I am not spending the money on a name. FYI, the Heimdallr has a sapphire crystal with AR coating. The Seiko does not.
I've actually never heard of heimdallr. I'll have to check them out. As mentioned in the video, spec for spec, clomages tend to outdo their Seiko, Tissot, etc. counterpart
I actually prefer seikos hardlex to most sapphire crystals , less reflective and clearer. I found hesalite to be my fav of all, like looking through glass. Sapphire needs good AR coating, even then it can be annoying, its over rated. People need to see specs on paper before they even experienced or know whats the best option.
Excellent video, good to see more young women interested in watches. You seem very well informed & I agree with you view on clomages or fakes with moustaches on as I call them. Keep up the great work!
I'm not entirely convinced, you see, watches are merely material possessions. It's the experiences we associate with them that truly make them special. So, my advice would be to choose something you genuinely like and can afford at the present moment. Create those memorable experiences while you still have the opportunity, whether it's with a Rolex, an inexpensive Casio, or even a Pagani. The brand itself doesn't matter much. It's similar to cameras-sometimes the best one isn't the one recommended on forums, but rather the one you have on hand. That's why smartphones have surpassed cameras in popularity. The level of gatekeeping within the watch community is truly astonishing.
Hi @CoolWatchesOnly! I definitely agree, price or brand in the grand scheme of things does not matter. I noticed that compared to other hobbies, the watch hobby seems to have the most passionate voices 😅. Watches are all about having fun and learning
Hi TT! That Pagani looks good on you! Sure, you probably sized down the bracelet to the max, but it's a full sized watch. Trendy women wear Rolex sports watches, and they're loose on their wrists too. "At the end of the day, wear what you like..." Well said.⌚
Thank you @watchprince8948! After a while I got used to the larger sized bracelet. Recently I put it on a blue leather strap, and even though the gaps between the watch and the strap still bother me, I really dig the new look
Well, there’s a watch I could wear with my tiny 6.5” wrist! Thanks for showing this to us! and no need to feel too guilty! I have a feeling that us viewers of your channel are all owners of way too many WatchesWeDon’tNeed!!! So shared sorrow half sorrow, right! Enjoy your Pagani and thanks for letting us enjoy it too!
@WUDN-WatchUDontNeed Hi! Thanks for watching another one of my videos! This review was quite interesting for me because I have noticed that Pagani has definitely upped their quality control and the thing that shocked me the most was the bezel and how solid it was for the price. Thanks for commenting! The watch wears a bit large, but with the jubilee bracelet, I think most people could pull it off!
What you did there is give yourself the opportunity to test the theory of whether they are worth it or not. Does it feel like a Rolex or is it its own thing. These are the questions you seek to answer. I think its a good review and the alternatives you offer is legit. How is your Namoki holding up? Hope you are doing well!
Hi Johan! Great to hear from you again! Thanks for the support, and as always I truly appreciate it. To answer your questions: I finally successfully attached the seconds hand to my Namoki and it's running well. I've shown the watch to other people and they were pretty surprised when I told them that I built it. I actually went to NYC with my Namoki and talked to some sales representatives on Madison Avenue. Even though I recognize that they are forced to be polite, most of the salespeople at the stores seemed genuinely happy when I told them that I built it and I had some really interesting conversations. I am actually planning on building a gmt off AliExpress parts to see how the quality compares. However, the video might take a while because when I clicked buy on the watch hands, I thought it said the estimated arrival was June; turns out its coming late July. Thanks for watching!
@@TimeTickerOfficial My pleasure and thank you for the awesome content as usual! That's great news! As someone who is mechanically minded I would be interested too! I mean you made it and most people cant say that. It looks great so maybe they weren't just being friendly but genuinely amazed that someone made their own timepiece! That would be a great video idea! Looking forward to it! Yeah what can you do... Shipping delays right😅 Take care and have a great day!
Most People who love watches won’t admit it but we all buy at least one Homage & sum of us even end up with a fake clone. Just to scratch an itch because we all love watches but we love money more. So buy what you like & enjoy & weather brand of the matters or not is subjective unless you are a watch snob .
@stevenford4719 Hi! Buying a few homages to scratch an itch does seem to be a common phenomenon within this hobby! I think that homages can serve as great gateways into the hobby. People take this hobby a bit too seriously at times, so I definitely agree that you should wear what you like
I really like this watch although I would prefer a fully brushed bracelet. What I cannot live with is the NH34 movement when excellent meccaquartz movements exist. Hopefully Pagani will start to use them sometime as -40/+20 sec PER DAY is utterly unacceptable in 2024.
Forget pagani. Get a san martin during their upcoming sale using coupones and coins. Get a 36mm or 38mm that will fit you better, with female end links and overall better build quality. Spending more on your favorite san martin that you'll end up wearing more often and more happily is well worth buying 2 pagani's that leave you wanting better. Maybe change out that bracelet for a rubber or nato strap for a better fit on the pagani? The pepsi dial looks good on you. If you don't like san martin, how about a steeldive, baltany or rmalti? I recently got 2 tandorios that are great.
Thanks for the suggestion! I have almost pulled the trigger on a few San Martins, however, personally, even though Seikos at the same price point are objectively worse, some irrational part of my brain would rather spend that money on a Seiko (at that price point). I actually put this Pagani on a Jubilee bracelet from my other Pagani, and now it fits better. I almost bought a Tandorio before realizing that I can't import the ones I wanted to Canada (from AliExpress at least).
Personally clomages just don't do it for me and really never have. However, if I was going to purchase one I would probably go with one that has a better movement and higher end finishing. Something like a Steinhart or Ginualt. The price tag raises considerably more if you do that but it is worth saving up the extra cash if you love watches. I've collected watches for 20 years now. There a so many awesome micro brands out there that it's not worth spending your time on things like a Pagani, but that's just my opinion.
For sure! I was enamored by the GMT Pepsi for a while. So a while back I asked for the watch. I think as a starter watch, Paganis are an interesting value proposition, but I definitely think that Paganis aren't the type of watch you wear for the rest of your life. Thanks for sharing.
@@TimeTickerOfficial Everyone has to start somewhere. Invicta was the watch brand that really got me into collecting. They ware way too big and ugly now, but you have to start somewhere and most people aren't willing to shell out a lot of money on a starter watch. Thanks for the video. I will watch for more of them.
I have the "Coke" version with the Pearl movement and a jubilee bracelet and honestly my only regret is not getting the NH34 version because the Pearl movement is quirky and jumps when setting the second time zone but after getting used to that it's a solid watch I also own a submariner from pagani with the nh35 and the quality of that watch is crazy everything is brushed and polished beautifully compared to my Coke Pagani Watch.
@@johnnytoledo Hi Johnny! I almost bought the pearl movement GMT (before the nh34 was created) but after reading the reviews on the movement, I held off. I'm currently rocking it on a nato (it fits wayyy better than the oyster bracelet because of my small wrists). It's great to hear that you're enjoying your submariner homage!
I just placed my purchase. I'll get it late this month. I mostly did in fear of tariffs coming in. I won't be shopping AliExpress or any Chinese markets anymore.
I have one Rolex oyster but it’s 1963 of grandfather and it’s very boring and I want to buy this pepsi Rolex but I am thinking about price sometimes I can afford it but that’s no for daily usage because you have to care a lot when you buy costly watch I will buy this gmt watch they are providing in amazing price
The problem with Rolex Homages is you don’t get the status that goes along with the real thing. Better to choose designs that people will not mistake for the real thing.
@@SkyDive-pp8pj Hello! I'm actually so glad that you enjoyed! I am picking up a bunch of new skills with this channel and I'm so glad that people are watching! Thank you once again!
Try Sugess, and Cronos. Much more expensive but so much better with 28000vph! A perfect cheaper watch would be Steeldive, very affordable but well built. Keep up the good work young lady
@@SkyDive-pp8pj hello! Thanks for watching! I have checked out Sugess and Cronos and they seem to offer great value. However, at my point in my watch collecting journey, I think I would rather spend the extra cash on a vintage timepiece. Thanks for the suggestions!
Hi!congrats for your channel , really nice to watch, about the pagani, I did my own research too, same model and , besaides the hole homage thing, the problem that I find was the movement that was a pearl movement, really really bad … and the supposed nh34 movement on the new models? Don’t know for sure, but it’s got some pretty bad reviews too , so I think that to buy this watch is a waste of money because you can always find something better for a Little more money ( a promaster diver citizen for example or an edox skydiver 70) or an TISSOT seastar ) Once again , great channel , keep on the good work!
Hi @naneynanars! The newer versions have an NH34. The pearl movement models do have some pretty bad reviews. I definitely thank that finding an alternative to a Pagani is definitely a good idea!
@@TimeTickerOfficial yeap I was aware about the nh34, the thing is that I had an San Martin flieger with an nh34 that , it was way better than the pearl but far from been as good as the movement of as Casio duro for example, so for me a pagani would be a good deal if you find it at no more than 50$!
I love mine, infact I believe some of them to be better than Invicta and I love Invicta also...It's really all about wants and needs...Sure I want a Rolex but I need to keep it real, real cheap and thus Pagani or Invicta are my go to.
Hi, I started my watch hobby during a period I was caring for my dad and had very little income coming in. I tried a few cheap chinese companies and found Addiesdive to have best choice, price and quality is unreal. Their company ethos is about protesting against indiscriminate hunting by humans, hence the crossed spear gun logo. They spoke to me.. I urge you to try one, they are fantastic, but dont expect a warr anty hehe. Now having bought 2 Seiko, I am done with chinese watches. Seiko do somthing for me no other company can. Not even my dads old Rolex. I'm not a rolex person, it doesnt feel right, I honestly felt nothing. Seiko gives me the feeling. i bought several chinese micro brand watches but the 2 seikos are all I needed/need. I will buy 1 watch a year now, probably seikos :) maybe a Tissot but no more chinese micros.
The thing with chinese watch Companies is most have no real warranties. Ive found most jewelers and watch repair services will refuse to work on them sadly.
Wow! Thanks for sharing! It's definitely interesting to hear from someone who has owned an addiesdive and a Seiko. I've heard a lot of addiesdive and at some point I'll have to check them out. Surprisingly, I don't own a Seiko 😅. It is interesting to hear from both sides of the aisle. One side says that Chinese homages are light years better than Seiko, and then the other says the opposite. Personally, I think I would be the type of person to appreciate a Seiko more. Thanks for commenting!
Hey thx! :) You cant go wrong with Citizen either. Do you have your eye on any Seikos or another well known brand? I was obsessed searching/finding one. Maybe their not for you? Will be interesting to see your perspective.
When checking for new comments on this video, I realized that I accidentally foreshadowed my new build's problems - I broke the movement. Sometimes I wonder if I am secretly a fortune teller 😂
Hi Gabriel! You can move the GMT hand by pulling the crown to the second position and scrolling up - make sure that you do this in the "safe zone" of changing dates. It is best to do this at 6:30 am/pm. If the GMT hand does not engage, you may have changed the GMT hand at the wrong time, and thereby broke the movement's GMT function.
@@TimeTickerOfficial thanks for responding. I’m afraid I did that on one watch so I made sure to set my second one correctly and the GMT hand still doesn’t keep time. It moves, just not as it should.
I had gotten a PD Batman a while back and with this last sale got a Coke bezel with jubilee band. I love love love it. Yes the micro-adjust is a disaster and the bracelet was very hard to size. But once you get it you're good to go and for $60 I mean, it's a crazy good deal.
Mine died, won't run. Used it 2 days. Placed it in a watch winder for one week (ohh, when I first got it, was fast 14sec/day). . Then I got it out , did some hand winding.....it was running 140+sec/day......put it in the winder and it STOPED working. Waste of money.
@@talega1 Hello! I'm very sorry to hear that. You should probably contact the seller about that. I got a refund on one of my other watches (an ochstin) because the second hand was stuttering. I heard that the previous pearl movements were prone to breaking. Out of curiosity, did u get an nh34 GMT or the pearl one? Thanks for watching!
@@TimeTickerOfficial it is a wonderful submariner homage that has been reviewed hundreds of times on RU-vid. That said I paid $59.00 for mine on sale, have had it for over two years and it is flawless. It is a step(sometimes multiple steps) above the Pagani at about the same price. Even cheaper often.
Rolex Pepsi gmt copy? No thank you! I’m good! I would rather wear an expensive watch that people think is not as expensive as it is, rather than wear a watch that people think is expensive but it’s not! That is what I told my sister in law when she told me my watch looked very nice and expensive she told me”I bet it was very expensive probably around $500 dollars” a few days later she was embarrassed when she found it it was a $20k Rolex I told her not to worry about it I liked it when people thought the watch was way cheaper than what it actually was 😂😂😂😂😂
I never buy Homage watches just coz if you really want a Rolex Pepsi just save up and get one instead of getting a Homage. Buying homage watches can never fill that void 😂
Interesting take! I definitely think that if you buy a Pagani expecting a Rolex, you will most definitely be sorely disappointed, but personally, I think that if you buy an Homage with it's own spin on a design, you will most likely appreciate the watch for what it is and have the "itch scratched". Thanks for being so civil about sharing your opinion!
