Panasonic EVA1 - Real Life Test & Review with Wildlife Footage 

Thank you for you kind words Ron… much apprecheated

Thanks Davis

Now that is nice of you! I will definitely come up with something when I can get hold of the firmaware… of course, I will need to wait until Atomos will release their firmware, too.... so, I have no idea when that will be. Just like you, I really wonder what advantages the raw will give us … if any in this steaming world ;-)

Cheers… appreciate it. I will upload something cool tonight… stay tubed ;-)

Thanks you Saladin!

Did... it is in the "films" playlist... and I can tell you what happens.... nothing. After years of doing social media, I can assure you that nobody cares for films like that outside the context of a camera or a lens.

thanks... I'm trying to avoid an accent... obviously without success ;-)

@@MediaDivision Nope your accent is just perfect, do not get rid of it :) Besides your English is also perfect, so it's a match.

Thank you… yeah, I thing the colors are EVAs strong side ;-)

Thanks Caleb… my pleasure

Thanks Frederick... sometimes you need a good subject to make an image look good

My pleasure... will surely come!

Hello Alex… Thank you so much… very motivating I have very little time at the moment, but let me try to just answer your questions from experience: 1. Switching ISO is definitely visible… especially the 800 to 2500 native switch as it is a massive jump. Of course you can work against that in post… like you would with time lapse. 2. The IRIS steps depend on the lens… My Sigma 18-35 is visible and audible, the Sigma 100-400 is smooth. I only own one cheap old Canon lens (75-300), IRIS steps are is visible and audible. A manual IRIS lens is the best solution 3. Consider Auto Focus to be non existent on this cam. The push to focus is not even reliable as helper. 4. WB can be set in single digit increments, but as far as I have tested, not during recording. 5. Who cares ;-) No, I have a hard time to judge that. Not good enough for anything but reference… that is just the way internal mics are. I use lavalier mics.

Thanks a lot Robert.... they certainly stole my heart!

totally… i was surprised when I went in post… I expected to always get more grain after switching up… and got less in many. Magic!

Thanks Richard

My pleasure Andre

Yeah... ProRes from Premiere fucks up sometimes… not bad enough to do the 4 hour export again ;-) Thanks for the warning and the flowers

My pleasure brother :)

Aren't they gorgeous?

Thanks man... glad you do

Thank you… If you want crisp, the GH5 is a little bit crisper out of the cam. EVA does a cinematic image that is a bit softer. Higher resolution results in a smoother imager (yes I know, sounds counter intuitive)… more details but less "crisp" (sharp)

On Orangutangs?! :-)

Thank you George!!!! As time comes... I have lot's of work at this time and unfortunately it is only few film jobs in the near future. But I surely will... thanks for keeping me motivated :-)

like I sad... other motive, more light and there is something

Thanks Alex!

Thank you Lieb.... yeah.... incredible creatures!

Sure… more resolution in general makes a softer perceived image as well… I know it is counterintuitive

Thanks man.... I don't own one, so, no. The latest gen of cameras is so good that it really doesn't matter any more in terms of IQ. Practical things become more important

Thanks Cliff...the main feature has an unsharp mask applied... like you would, if you want a sharp image, like you wouldn't want in narrative. Same for Arri, RED

Ah… and I forgitt… sometimes lens stabi… sometimes EIS (but more for extra crop)… stability through goos tripod. You can see wobble from me pulling focus sometimes

What has sharpness to do with frame rate? GH5 does not let you film without sharpening (even at -5). Typical for a prosumer camera. I rather choose myself, how much sharpening I apply. How is the Gh5 a drag? it is so small and light? BMPCC is smaller but come on... it is a completely different kind of camera.

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@@MediaDivision thanks, happy new year 🎆

Happy new year!!!

Thanks Bridge!!!

sure... ProRes Raw changes everything for the high frame rates... now they are gorgeous ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WTJyzYSxrBI.html

Wow. Okay, new EVA-1 owner. Purchased for a documentary. Will post some questions on the fbook group. Thanks

read you there :-) Feel free to PM me

Hello Andre... nothing really special here.... filmed with GH5/Sigma 18-25/Speedbooster at around f3 from about 1.5 meters away. Controlling the cam via tether app on a laptop right outside the frame. There is one right on the left of the cam (Apurture Light Storm) with a softbox on it... it is slightly above my head and angled down a bit... an almost random setup chosen for convenience over aesthetics. The screens a my normal working displays... two Samsung 32inch ISP 4k displays and a curved Samsung Premium UHD TV in the back. TV is driven by a decklink 4k card to monitor Resolve (up to 4k HDR). Hope that helps.

Whether your set up was executed at random or by second nature skill, it still looks fantastic!!!! Thanks for sharing!

My pleasure Andre

Congrats Marty… it's a lovely cam. Only the studio version supports the EVA1 internal codecs. At 250,- a bargain that offers noise reduction and HDR grading, too (can't do that with the free version). Otherwise EditReady will give you ProRes conversion (don't forget to set profile to "data" within resolve) or you crush the blacks/whites.

Ahhh thought so. I have a ninja flame and have used that. I was just curious about the internal codec and Da Vinci. Cheers, yip the studio version is great value

Always my pleasure evil twin ;-)

Thank you so much!

Thanks Lukas… I never use any internal noise reduction and as far as I know, the EVA is on no NR in all settings by default. I applied Resolve NR to about 3 scenes in the hole pice as the where underexposed and a bit grainy… still usable as you can see.

Thanks for the response, that's certainly interesting! I am a bit shocked by the 120fps footage especially because I've seen much better looking clips (mainly 240fps though)...

I can only repeat myself F6 in less then bright condition… thats to little light for HFR

Look at the date of this video… it is old and much has been with FW updates since. The internal recording of high FPS has been vastly improved and you get internal 4K 60fps the 2K RAW with shogun looks good and has been improved since: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WTJyzYSxrBI.html For super high fps you have to go with a Phantom (usually rental) or you just wair a coiuple of years. The Kinefinity MAVO LF has very nice RAW high FPS options (crops, too)

Thank you for the flowers Jos… the ProResHQ was obviously recorded on the external recorder (Shogun Inferno via HDMI) as EVA can't record ProRes internally?! I can't tell where you see more detail… to me, both look the same… that is true even before RU-vid compression. Some minor mushiness comes from RU-vid compression and is visible on both sides of the split screen. I didn't do anything special to the footage. In the grade, I added a bit of "unsharp mask", but only on scenes in the main film (so not in the comparison). Detail comes from the lens and resolution… sharpness is something that is perceived and must be added in the grade if wanted (I usually don't as cinematic image is soft). That is why GH5 "looks" sharper. Sharpness is applied before recording (even at -5). Good luck

Shure thing… actually I don't notice either… and certainly not aliasing (coming from 5.7K with low pass filter). A player, display, etc problem?

Pleasure, far (relative question, so a relative answer)… for all that really matters ProRes and the internal codec have the same quality. Direct comparison starting 22:20. To me EVAs image looks better then FS7 and c200

Yes, Eva1 image looks very good and clean to me, too. I just came across this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n9vAkRttzlk.html skin tones look also really nice here. Would also be interesting to see graded footage in a tungsten lit scene

just join the facebook group (link in the description) … you'll find everything there.

there is one towards the end (20:00)… and no. I do love my GH5… I shot this review with a GH5 and that should tell a lot. Depending on the subject and the grade, every cam can look like the other. that is true for a GH2 and a Arri65 just as well. You can already see how differently EVA and the GH5 handle highlights from me filming myself in in the house and Eva giving a wide shot. Dynamic range us just so much better. Same for lower light. Gh5 would have struggled given the f.6 Tele. Again, that will depend on the contend. The higher end you go, the more difference price/IQ is diminishing. You could say the exact same thing comparing an EVA and a RED Weapon.

You might find this interesting… c200 vs EVA vs GH5 vs Varicam LT. Considering the price difference, the GH5 hold up great, and some may even prefer the punchy GH5 look... the real quality lies in her skin. EVA/Varicam render her skin nicely and pleasant with a soft highlights rolloff. GH5 is a bit harsher and varies in the skin depending on the exposure. vimeo.com/243092844

thanks... way to little light for the slow lens I used. Hair is particulary difficult for high compression. So, worst subject ;-) Some test show EVAs slow motion to be on par with the FS5. Image is much nicer then FS5s (taste!)

Thanks... you mean in the grading suite? Two 32 Samsung 4k monitors (U32D970Q outdated) and a Samsung premium UHD TV... (UN49MU8000)

That info has been stated to be false by Panasonic reps... but as RAW is under development, things are open. Nobody knows the methods of achieving 240, but it probably uses pixel binning or line skipping... and yes... M4/3 crop size. The "better" codecs are All-I. Good for some things... neglectable for others, as you can see here in my ProRes vs. long GOP

@@GurmeetSingh-fr8uo “better” is a wide field… it depends. Image wise… it is not better.

Consider it non existent. Even the simple push focus does not work reliable for me. If you have to have auto focus Canon has the best. Cine cams usually don't have auto focus at all. I live in the proud tradition of manual focussing and in so many situations AF is just not what would have given you that organic feel.

Good to know. Thank you so much.

a "native" ISO provides you with the ideal setting for any given sensor. Gaining a signal will cause the colors to shift and the Dynamic range to get less. The 2500 ISO read the signal at full DR and with same color fidelity as the 800… but is not as clean. I don't knoe what "before" means, but if you are talking about "lower"… yes of course. You can shoot 400 ISO or 1000 ISO coming from both native ISOs. Of course: If you want to shoot at 1200 ISO it is better to go to 2500native and go down from there. If you want to shoot below 800, use the native 800 and go down from there… hope that helps.

It's down by 5% in Germany, too… could be just adjusted exchange rate of Japanese currency. 5% wouldn't boost sales so marketing is very unlikely

Media Division Unless it's part of a strategic thing with the rumoured GH5s? Anyways I should have led with a thanks for a great review. I'm a GH4 user and seriously considering the EVA.

My pleasure Marty

If you are not in the EVA1 FB group already, please join us

No internal ProRes…You can record 4k 60 10bit ProResHQ via Atomos recorder. ProResHQ does not give IQ advantage over the internal h264. If you are into ProRes for easy editability, the 400mbps All-I will do the same job. The container is mp4 and container doesn't matter what so ever, whats inside is the same.

It has a barely working "push to focus"… nothing I would want to call autofocus

Ahhh I see. That's very unfortunate. This was something I was really looking forward to. It seems as to be exactly like every other camera that is comparison with price range difference. Pay a couple extra thousand for a different camera with autofocus, usually Canon in this case C300 M2, or deal with the manual focus. For moving or follow focus shots, autofocus is so essential or else you you may miss a shot. Any opinions between this camera and the Canon I mentioned just to see another perspective?

Sure… AF is not reliable… never… not on canon or else as the camera can't know what you would like to have in focus. AF is nice for a very specific niche of filming … if that is your niche and you got the money, go for the Canon c200/c300. If you need fast turnaround, c200 is not so good because of codecs, if you want 60fps 4K the c300 will not do. In the end it comes down to the mage… do you like it or not. I like EVAs image, and she hits the right marks between price, mobility, usability, and IQ… for me.

Media Division thanks for this. Helps make my decision.

sure vivid

don't count on it, but I'm a manual guy, so I don't care

thanks for the reply love your vids

Always ;-) Thanks man

I replaced my LCD with a smallhd501… so... absolutely. HDMI is all good for monitoring. I rarely use my sidefinder as I'm not a EVF guy. I use a Shoung for bright environments and for RAW recording

Media Division so does shogun work well in light condition?

1500 nits.... quite well. It comes with a hood, too. A fold makes sure you can still use the touch features. Just be aware that it is heavy and I wouldn't advise to use it handheld. I got a vest where I can mount Shogun and V-lock battery on.... this way you stay light and mobile and still get high bright display + RAW recording

Can i use the shogun only in monitor mode and not for raw recording? If i want a file much simple to edit, and when i need a rw file i use it to record raw

Of course... while you are not in RAW out mode, you can use it just as a monitor with LUT support and record in all flavours of internal codecs to SD cards. You can also record on Shogun in ProRes (HQ) for super simple and quick editing like I did for this.

You are aware that the human eye has way less cone cells for color reception then rod cells? You are aware that when using 4:2:2 a full color matrix would be slashed in halve and further down for 4:2:0? Al that makes sense because the eye is what it is. In a final result, you couldn't tell a full color matrix from 4:2:2… or 4K from 3K for that matter. I found this very very enlightening. The DoP from "The last Jedi" proofs in this, that we are running in the wrong direction for marketing reasons. yedlin.net/ResDemo/

Certainly,. Mr.Bryce Bayer worked for Kodak and figured the RGGB concept of allocating double the green channel pixels over the red and blue based on the way the human eye perceives color. But,...look at Sony's 6k sampling and how much incredible detail the A6500 produces. It's jaw dropping. And,...yeah that green channel is full 6k with two half resolution red and green channels. My eyes can certainly see it on my 4k monitors and yeah,...Canon C200 look nice but soft to me. Look an Max Yuryev's shootout here. He really NAILED the 1:1 vs. oversampling argument right between the eyes. I think EVA1 is doing the right thing by using a 5.7k oversample. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4rNtEEMIgrY.html

Oh,...haha,..here is my own 1:1 4k shootout vs 6k over samping. Can you spot the 6k collected sensor? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xqvN-EV3l9s.html

Watch the two Pert Demo I sent you… maybe (and maybe not) you will think differently after that.

Actually another person showed me this link last month. It's spectacular. I really liked it and it was eye opening for sure. I even saved a copy to my HD but check my 6k shootout video too. It at least partially contradicts his findings. I cant explain it. I dont believe this is an in-camera sharpening issue. I believe it's actual "detail". Its a VERY good video though. This guy is all over it,...no doubt. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xqvN-EV3l9s.html

180° always always

Maybe thats the reason for the soft image?

Soft image? What are you talking about? Even 360° shutter is "sharp" from a tripod as long as the object is not moving. First: open any BluRay or 4K movie from the last 5 years… and then tell me the image is "sharper" then this (hint: it's not). If you want an eyebleeding "sharp" image turn up sharpness in post. What many people call sharpness is just sharpening applied in post. The detail produced by Eva is amazing.

Sorry that's a misunderstanding. I love the image of the eva, but you mentioned a soft image at 12:30 cause of a lack of light.

Ahh… got it. The higher frame rates are in deed soft (higher then 60 fps). They are "only" 2K and above 120fps they use sensor crop. Un top of that they abviously use pixel binning or line skipping. 50mbps are to little for details like the hair. This would have looked much better with a higher data rate, different motive (less details) and more light (high fps needs a lot of light). Firmware update will introduce a 200mbit All-I for some improvement. Maybe there will be external options in the future. Until then, the high fps is only so good.

Leider eine sehr alte falsche Info… Aussage von. Mitch Gross Panasonic. Die Facebook-Gruppe ist sehr gut!

Aber danke für den Input

Oh, das ist sehr schade! Ich bin auch sehr enttäuscht von der Weichheit der Slomos. Ich habe gestern Nacht ein wenig mit der EVA1 gedreht und schneide das Material gerade. Schau mal vorbei, ich stelle das Video gleich online. LG!

Zeig her... und poste in der Facebook Gruppe... vorsicht Piranhas ;-)

Thanks... well, you can't argue taste. There is enough color in cinema that I don't like... and I am still developing every day. Filming is a progress and I think I got much better since I made this. Many wrote me that they love the color of this