$2000 full frame "entry level". Geez, I hate that phrase. Like you should be ashamed to be seen with one of these amateurish toys. Seriously, not every photog needs 30 frames per second or 60 megapixals or a massive camera body with built-in vertical grip and networking features. These so-called entry level cameras can do everything most pros need to do.
indeed , its a dull naming for such features packed superb cameras. eos rp is a entry level full frame just around 1000 bucks. good for single shot photography, thats all.
@@Valerossi0 Actually, I own an RP as well as an R6. The RP is a great little video camera for a 3 axis gimbal. Tony and Chelsea Northrop had like 7 of them they used as their primary video cams for their chanel, so it is capable of decent video too if you aren't into grading. I use it on a rotator for 360's too. I wouldn't really call it a professional model, but I have made a ton of money with it, and it fits nicely into the compact niche. Not my "entry" camera, just the right tool for certain jobs.
@@shaolin95 I said "not every photog needs...", not "no other". Use what you want or need. I just think the industry tagging higher end cameras like these as "entry level" is kind of insulting, and a not so subtle push for the people who buy them to keep moving up to the next level whether they need to or not.
My a7iv overheats and shuts down during outdoor daylight video shoots. For anyone considering purchasing a full frame (for paid video work) in the price range the S5ii seems the only logical choice.
I think Sony in this class has a too much yellow cast on Caucasian skin and asphalt on the street and walls… Panasonic with the Leica L2 engine, does better in this regard….
The rear screen on the Panasonic is brighter and sharper on the S5II (see richard wong) plus you missed 6K open gate recording - this is a very useful feature for social media shooters on the S5II.
As a photographer I chose Panasonic and the reason was some of the features Panasonic offers. Live Composite, time lapse, high resolution 96mp in camera on tripod. They seem to have better transitions from light to dark and not something that was easily edited out of the Sony. The s5ii does seem to have a different color profile than previous Lumix cameras not sure if that is a good or bad thing. As I get more into video the s5ii will be tempting,
@@TheSlantedLens awesome to hear. I'll have to decide if the ii offers enough over my s5. Probably just finish selling off my m43 kit and get it as a second body. Very happy Panasonic added phase detect as I was about to get a Sony as a second body just for video AF.
For someone without lenses from any system, it looks like a no brainier to me. Those 500 dollars that you can invest in a good lens at the expense of pretty much nothing...And the better colors, better ISO perfromance, better stabilization, video features...It´s great to have another serious option for the full frame hardcore aficionados in any case! Those that really need the superbest autofocus with more frames per second or more megapixels would go for more specific cameras anyway and not these all-rounders. Just an opinion from someone from the Nikon and Pentax realms who seeks pragmatism over anything else...
It is interesting to see that the Lumix S5 has gone from a " S5- Who ??" to " S5-II Woo Hoo!! " just by the addition of PDAF. Everyone who is anyone in photography will now pay close attention to the Lumix lineup. I myself was almost a card swipe away from an S5 purchase last year, but eventually moved over to the A7 IV. No regrets though, but glad that Panasonic is making headlines.
thank you for an awesome review! I almost bought the original S5 2 months ago and I am so happy I waited. I think if the Sony is a 9 for AF then the panasonic feels more like 8-8.5. it is really quite close. I also expect there will be firmware updates for AF and other things,based on the reviews and feedback on this camera. I will definitely get my hands on the S5 II X this summer.
It REALLY, REALLY REALLY depends on the lenses you use. The old DSLR style spinney focus motor or new STM lenses like the one in the RF50mm f1.8, I'd rate the AF tracking accuracy as a 4/10 at best with my R6mk2. However, a new L-Lens like the RF70-200mm f4 with the dual linear USM focus motor, the AF is a solid 9.5/10. The focus is almost telepathic as to how good it is when shooting super fast moving and erratic subjects like motorsports or dogs running around the yard. The same is true for the Sony, the modern XD lenses are incredible, whilst the old Zeiss lenses with the spinning motors are not as great at tracking. Tho I do agree with you that Canon AF when using a linear focus L-lens is better at tracking than Sony, BUT the Sony is actually better when using an older DSLR type lens, the Canon feel intentionally crippled at using old or non-linear lenses, just hunts constantly whereas the Sony does it less so.
S5ii wins hand down in Color/skin tone Video UX UI Ergo Screen IBIS Sony wins if you need 33mp and Tamron. AFs are equal and useable 99% of the time. KEY is the better choice is cheaper too.
Can't agree more, but Sony has more great lenses (GM) like the 12-24 14, 24, 35, 50, 85, 135 GM etc. Panasonic only has the fantastic 50mm, 24-70mm and 70-200mm S Pro, I like them more than the GM options but they are heavier.
8:50 the Panny looks so soft compared to the Sony! Definitely SilkyPix is applying heavy noise removal. Or its the in-camera high ISO noise removal kicking in for the Panny.
Regarding resolution, it shouldn't be understated that Panasonic has the best implementation of pixel shift high resolution mode on the market. Motion corrected, all done in camera. For landscape scenes or even studio scenes, it's really useful compared to most other brand's implementations.
Great review ! Thank you guys so much! Could you do the same comparison Panasonic s5 mark 2 against Fuji xh2s, that would be so cool to see , both of this system compete right now as the best hybrid solution. Hey people support that comment
It really could go either way, depending upon use cases. FINALLY, Panasonic can do decent AF, and their video tools are first rate. This is a good development for the entire photo community, since it will encourage others to innovate.
@@bbasleigh6149 LIES.. The L series lenses are NOT less expensive. Check your fake claims,starting with the 24-70mm f4. Oh and about a lens being 'heavy', are you a grown man or a princess?
@@bbasleigh6149 First of all you are right in that it's bad manners that you told a blatant LIE about the lenses. You are also right that you do not have a sense of humor,you ARE the humor...GOSh???Are you going to cry or tell your Mommy I hurt your little feelings??????whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....Check the facts with B&H,,duhhhhhhhhh....
@@bbasleigh6149 This was something I posted TWO MONTHS AGO>>>>>>>>".Number two..Panasonic is NOT cheaper...24-105 mm 2.8 is $2300 and the Panasonic is $2800+,,That means I can get to Sony body, the 24-105,and the Sony E10 for about the same price..That means either someone is trying to LIE,or someone never went to math class...Number three..WE had this dusty old conversation a few years ago,and even with THREE Panasonic bodies, they still could not sell more cameras than the ONE Sony body..."...Evidently you were so busy bringing up the rear after months, you failed to READ the facts...NEXT!!!! Checkmate!
What firmware versions were on the cameras for the comparisons? I had heard that Panasonic had released quite a few firmware upgrades since the Tokyo presentation.
My guess is that the AF comparison is a non issue at this early stage. Its almost guaranteed that the Panasonic is only one or two firmware upgrades away from being indistinguishable between the two.
I think Sony in this class has a too much yellow cast on Caucasian skin and asphalt on the street and walls… Panasonic with the Leica L2 engine, does better in this regard….
Funny how I didn't notice much of a difference during the picture quality test, but during the autofocus and stabilisation test I noticed a huge difference in color.
Thanks for your expertise. Here in Germany, where i am from, the discussion which camera is the best is dominated by much influencers. The direction is clear: Sony is the best, ever. No chance for other companies. So i was surprised aboeut your clear votings. Best AF, compliance, Stabilization and so on. I learned so much from you. But my decision for a new cam ? Panasonic or Fujifilm X-H2 .
Informative comparison test, thanks for it. I tested both, the Sony a7 Mark IV was nice. I do not need this many frames/second. However it was weird, the Sony with original 85mm lens focused many times on the eye-lashes and not on the eye (eye-detection enabled). So I tested the Lumix S5 (old version), and for my purpose, the results were stunning ( colors, sharpness, IBIS, etc.). Not to forget the balanced size of the body with the 1.8/85mm lens. And the possibility for creating videos. And, what was not covered in the video. The CFexpress A cards (for the Sony) are much costlier than SD-cards. And you need more than 1 piece! Thankfully I waited over X-Mas/New Year with my order, so I will go for the new Lumix S5 Mark ii. For sure! The difference in price will be invested in lenses.
The Sony A74 does not have any recording limit. I’ve also never had it overheat and we record long videos sometimes over 2 hours. I do love the LUMIX stabilization and image though. It seems more organic, less digital.
It is really odd to consider the A7VI and S5II "entry level". How much money do RU-vid photographers think people typically have? Can we please stop pretending that 24 vs 33mp is a significant difference? That is 17% more, the difference between a 20 x 30" print and a 23.5 x 35" print. Please tell me which client or "entry level" photographer will ever notice the difference? You mock the 20mp to 24mp change, which is 10%, but think 17% is something to celebrate?
@@walrusgumboot I’ve used it for long records in 4k and haven’t had it overheat yet. I’ve heard it used to happen on earlier firmware. Might need to check to see if yours has a firmware update available
I'm a Panasonic boy all the way but I have to say... In the lowlight test the Panasonic clearly looks NR filtered compared to the sony. The sony stays way sharper throughout the iso range. Pana has color shifting everything. Bet your settings were completely fucked to do a proper "scientific" comparison test.
@@TheSlantedLens Leica L, Sigma L and Lumix L mount lenses are ALL native lenses irrespective of which of those L Mount cameras you put the lens on. Not sure why people keep getting this wrong. Sigma L mount IS native to Lumix L Mount and Leica L and so on they all share the same mount protocols. Sean from Lumix USA (an employee of Lumix) explained this clearly on his live stream.
The S5ii is going to be a really popular product for Panasonic. I just sold my very popular compact camera (Canon G7x mkii) and replaced it with the Panasonic S5ii, and seeing the results, as a camera novice, I'm very happy with this camera.
@@TheSlantedLensnow Samyang and Blackmagic are in the L mount alliance, so more options and I like a lot the Samyang lenses, the 135mm is great. I have the hunch that more small brands will join the L mount, maybe Viltrox or TTartisan, and not only with lenses, maybe even with a camera
When I look at portraits presented here side by side, I can see the leaves in the background are yellow and green in the S5m2 picture and simply yellow in the A7m4 picture. Maybe, this is because of quasi Leica colors provided by the Panasonic 50mm f1.4 lens… I have one on my S5m1 and it is awesome (even if bulky and heavy). As a landscape photographer I prefer more colors‘ variety in my pictures and for that reason I liked the S5m2 photos here a bit better. But! Was the autofocus with the Panasonic 50mm f1.4 really not usable with the new S5m2 (or just much slower than with Panasonic 50mm f1.8)?
not to be funny but… an entry level camera is a canon R10 or a panasonic G9 or a sony a6700 these are midrange cameras… not “very much entry level” in any sense of those words.
Amazing review. Thanks. S5 ii is a great camera but at the moment its price is not much lower than Sony a7 iv. In some regions Sony is even cheaper. Sony is getting cheaper or gets on sale now and then as it's an older model now and Panasonic is priced as a new model. The Panasonic price advantage is therefore not so strong and Sony has more and cheaper lenses to offer. In the end we might end up paying more for Panasonic system (including lenses). Additionally there is many second hand Sony lenses. You can even get Sony a7 iv body second hand if you wish to, because it's a 2021 model. If Panasonic is a more expensive system (including lenses) than Sony, it must be better to justify the extra price. Is it? Or is it better to go for A7 iv which is around the same price and will allow you to save money on lenses. Additionally, it is possible that Sony will release a good update to a7iv too in the future. Then it will be good to own Sony E mount lenses. Another point: Sony has done already in 2021 what Panasonic has released now. So when Sony releases new hot camera, we will be stuck with Panasonic lenses waiting for a new model while Panasonic will maybe be focused on developing a new MFT camera. Big point: Sony offers various bodies (stills centric, video centric, hybrid) you can buy 2 bodies second hand and you can use the lenses with the body you need based on the situation. Going to shoot a landscape? Buy an a7r body. Going to shoot a video, take a7s... Panasonic only has video a centric hybrid with 24mpix. That said. I still wish for Panasonic S5 ii but I'm not sure it's a logical decision considering the availability of (second hand) lenses and various bodies in Sony system. I don't own neither Sony nor Panasonic at the moment.
I'm sorry, I stopped at 8:56 to make this comment. You guys are talking about A7IV getting more noise but you are not seeing that S5II is loosing so much detail (look at the wents on the right) and make everything all mushy like there is a strong noise reduction. It looks like a smarphone pic. For me the A7IV wins the iso battle. So much detail even on 51200 iso.
There is an issue with their raw files because they used a software who keeps the noise reduction backed in the raw files, it was the same story for the GH6. So it's hard to say if Sony is better or not.
@@TheSlantedLens Indeed, I think the S5 II ISO performance must be more or less the same than the first S5. The A7IV is less good because of the 33MP, but if you downsize the picture to 24MP, they are very similar.
I know for those to companies, these are there cheapest offers in FF, but I cannot except a +2000USD pricetag being called "entry level". Also, these cameras are so advanced, and with so many specs, a new photographer would have a challenging time figuring out how to use them optimal. Then again - these days, a sub 1000USD MILC is so advance even advanced photographer have a tough time figuring out how to set up their cameras.
I had to chuckle, the Panasonic S5ii with a Panasonic 50 mm f1.8 ($347) lens vs the Sony a7iv with a Sony GMaster 50mm f1.2 ($1,998) in a slamdunk competition! Okay, let's ratchet it up and place the ultimate nifty fifty Leica Summilux SL 50mm f1.4 L ($6,595) lens, Lmount on the Panasonic S5ii vs the Sony a7iv with its GMaster and see now who really comes out ahead! Let's go to the races boys, instead of Tokyo, Japan for our setting let's take off for OctoberFest in Munich, Germany! 😎😎
They used the 50mm F1.8 because the AF is way faster than the Leica Summilux SL 50mm f1.4 L (I had both + the Panasonic S Pro f1.4).Anyway the 50mm S Pro is one of the best lens ever designed.
Yes, the Sony looks sharper although noisier at higher ISOs in the supermagnified crops. Might be is the lens or those extra megapixels? Internal noise reduction to he raw files or just the different processing of the software? In any case I do not think is noticeable in the normal or not-too-much magnified image. I´d go with less noise in this case.
I'm not entirely sure what you guys were talking about on the ISO test. Sure, the Sony was grainier, but also WAY sharper. Like, the Panasonic almost looked downright blurry compared to Sony. Plus, that green color-shift was apparent even on the pipes before you got to the sign.
Yes, the green color shift was there in the scene. And it seems like the Lumix may have applied some noise reduction which would have softened the image.
Panasonic is doing well. They keep on investing in the L-Mount-System with new lenses, like the 100mm F2.8 Macro (compact and lightweigt and a great performer). Panasonic is providing firmware updates with fixes and improvements. I like Panasonic more than Sony, so I invested in the S-System of Panasonic....S5II and several lenses. I am looking forward to the S1(R) Mark II that is expected to come in 2024.
Too bad you didn't mention that Panasonic S5 II is prone to moire. I was, too, under a careless impression that the 5D MKII days are long gone, so we're in the safe zone these days. So no surprise that not many reviewers check against this specifically. Well it's not exactly 5D MKII for video bad but still quite a bummer.
I'm betting the more pixels in the Sony was the reason that the ISO tests seemed to favor the S5. Panasonic made a, I think, GH5 S version that only had 10M pixels which was better for low light video because each pixel was bigger allowing more light to hit each one. Just a guess.
Thanks for the video. Not sure if the S5 II is cleaner at higher ISO (like the Canon R6/R6II) or it's due to that the A7IV does not have AA filter on its sensor which creates more details. Personally, I rather have the option to remove the noise myself than have it done by the manufacture for me. The ability of holding onto the true color at high ISO is also more important to me than less noise since my clients will not be zooming 100% into the images but will notice the colors immediately. Can't stand the blue cast on all the S5 II images while the skin tone is more pleasant on the A7IV.
Which do you think is best for shooting bird and wildlife videos (no photos) with a telephoto lens (e.g., 60-600 mm or 200-600mm): (1) Sony FX30, (2) Sony A7IV or (3) Lumix S5ii? Thanks!
How on earth can you do a video review, and leave out 6K Open Gate and ProRes RAW option out of HDMI! I wonder how much Sony paid you to not even mention it. 😠
Shame that you guys didn't make AF test with photo while the subject is moving. I wonder how much keepers would get the sony and how much panasonic. Thanks for the video btw!
You can see a stills autofocus test in stills in the S5 II review we did last week. Take a look at it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sYwUYz3z2ZY.html
There’s no recording limit on Sony A7IV. I know I have one as well else an original S5. Also if your going to do a comparison you at least do a more thorough. Job. Where is photo autofocus test or mention or lens options which is the most important thing when buying a camera is glass options.
Really tough decision, both are great, but one thing decided it for me...I DEFINITELY don't want to run around a wedding with a 24-70 2.8 zoom lens that weighs over 900 grams while the Sony is significantly lighter (and cheaper). Winner.
I started watching and right away have a question? What version of Sony A7iv you have.. after 40-45 minutes of 4k it has overheating warning.. no matter what setting I change.. and stabilisation.. They are comparable? I would say NO
With all due respect to your efforts, you can’t properly compare all these details you mentioned when using different lenses. Many of the points you touched could be because of the lenses. You could rent some sigma lenses that are common to run this type of comparison.
Please don t call camera of 2k entry levels. I see a lot of professionals with this kind of camera and don t compare a f 1.2 with a 1.4. For the rest I agree with your review. People are to much focus on AF but they forget the exeperience in use. Sony has amazin tec but I never enjoyed to shoot with the a7iv or a7iii
Thank you for the great video! My current camera is the very lovely GH5, but over Christmas I decided to go full frame. I was pretty set on the Sony a7 IV, but was completely unaware of the incoming S5 ii x! I have zero lenses in either format, so there was a lot of back and forth. Most of my content isn't exactly demandin: tabletop miniature painting & hopefully some tabletop wargaming, but I prefer to buy once and make the most informed decision I can. Saying that, I do finally want to try & get out & take more photos this year. I'll be going with the Panasonic, thank you for insight!
You guys are aware SilkyPIX applies noise reduction by default? It increases the NR depending on noise. In the ISO test, the S5 looked very soft. It's probably because of the NR.
We're spoiled for choices these days. IMO, the S5 II is the better video camera, but the A7IV is the better hybrid camera. The ecosystem for SONY is arguably more robust, while the Panasonic is probably robust enough for most people. (I'm a Current CANON/SONY shooter - Former LUMIX owner)
That stabilization on the Sony is embarrassing. They only focus on the auto focus and dynamic range. I don't want to buy or set up a gimbal. It's Pannyboy for me. Thanks
From your comparison, it looks like the 33 Mp of the Sony compared to the 24 Mp of the Lumix are just a horse power number. It is simply amazing how good is the Lumix in stabilization, by far the best. Thanks for this nice review. Lumix is the clear winner.
I like the image quality better on the Panasonic but I sure wish that that it had the speed and responsive AF of the Sony. The video, stabilization, time lapse, and composite features of the Lumix are pretty amazing though. Both are great cameras and this was a great review. Much thanks!
@@AoyagiAichou i forgot to mention I shoot with an arraw of 2 to 8 cameras so I can deliver 3D... But this is getting outdated most my clients wants 7D now
Panasonic's upcoming auto focus update is going to best Sony. They have further developed and perfected the system with the G9II that will find its way into the S5II.
I shoot the gh5. I still get a little jealous about the autofocus. I used to care about noise but now I just use denoise and shoot up to 6400 iso in video these days.
@@TheSlantedLens Good to know. By "baked in" I was meaning it is not something that the user can turn off or on. I've heard some camera camera companies have models that add noise reduction to the RAWs.
I have been shooting Sony (in journalism) for many years (and many other brands) and I can just say that i loved the S5ii as soon as I hold it. And I also love the performance so far. I have hade it for a couple of weeks now but no real pro shoot yet.
ISO test unclear.. Sony do show more noise, but seems Panasonic decrease noise with internal software.. With such noise as Sony shows you may de noise with PC oftware and get even better resulr..
