Papaji on charging money or asking for donations for satsangs 

David Godman

Who gives a crap about set up? Are you in this for the truth , liberation and freedom or do you intend to be a voice for the masses who are too afraid to give in to the unknown?

Don't understand it...he wanted no donations...no installation of money...but still money was being paid for his satsangs to take place, for his food and lodging...money can't be ruled it.

Thank you David for reminding us of this.

@@IILMNBD like you said you don't get it and the way you are, you can't get.

@David_Godman but still, when people are paying for your food/shelter/travel, there is still a transaction taking place, isn’t it? Someone is taking care of you. lt doesn’t look completely independent to me. I’m not saying it’s bad but I don’t see why charging a bit for satsang must corrupt - like any kind of teacher charges some money, why would they corrupt what they teach?

David Godman David sir i learn so much from you Will you permit me if i want to meet you so that i can clear those questions related to that I and one question which was answered by you was there Buddha at gas pump where you described about the habits of some great spiritual teachers like Ramana Maharishi Papaji and Nisagradatta Maharaj that why such enlightened persons still have some desires or habits left and the answer was really great that body and mind are different from that I

@@rohitk9859 Here's a quote from Shri Datta in Tripura Rahasya in the chapter on the variety of sages and published by Ramana Ashram. "The vasanas not inimical to realization are not weeded out by the best class of jnanis, because they cannot seek new ones to crowd the old out. Therefore, the old ones continue until they are exhausted and thus you find among them some highly irritable, some lustful, and others pious and dutiful" This clearly states that because certain vasanas dont prevent realization, they can therefore continue after realization.. and they may vary according to the previous habits and so on. Ramana made the analogy of a fan. Even when the motor stops, it still has momentum and will continue to move. But there is no longer any force behind it and it is therefore non binding. Yet people will continue to extol the virtues of the more socially acceptable vasanas over the less acceptable ones. I guess Dattatreya was speaking in the Pre Victorian era Haha

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So many reading the comments

I was curious if Nisargadatta charged. Thank you for clearing that up. :) Wonderful channel you have here, by the way.

@@BlackAdam2784 No he didn't. Never.

Will you show your research and proof that Nisargadatta charged money ?

Yes supposed to be like this

In the west-Laguna Beach California OSHO/SRI BAGWAN RAJNEESH,had an ashram in Laguna Canyon.The sales pitch to young people in this rich community were told-if you want enlightenment from Bhagwan you must give him ALL YOUR MONEY as a sign of your desire for enlightenment.Of course many rich young people donated their inheritance & were introduced to tantra yoga/inflaming their sexual desires & when he was deported a few years later,the fleeced flock were kicked to the curb as the property was sold. He did the same thing in another affluent community further south in LA Jolla California.

Hello Andrew, Check out Gary Weber and John Yates, (Culadasa). Both are very instructional and their work is all free online...peace

i would recommend j krishnamurthy to you or anyone else who listens to different people in regard to gain spiritual 'knowledge' and may feel the more knowledge is some how bringing you to closer to something which is beyond all knowledge. put knowledge to it's right place then explore as much as you want.

@sandeepkarkhanis4450 Thank you dude, you are totally right. I am no longer seeking knowledge, Om namo bagavathe shri ramanaya is 24/7 and when I hear it it silences my mind.

All of the above snake oil salesmen (not gurus) you mentioned are all deeply identified with materiality therefore they are nowhere near enlightenment themselves..Tolle for instance is a serial plagiarizer and part of a business consortium who consciously set out this 'long con' with the absurd story of how he went from a suicidal depressive to a great spiritual leader...utter nonsense of course..but a great money making machine...And don't start me on sadhguru!

@@nodgelyobo1 You are totally right dude and I do not listen to them anymore, in fact I now listen to nothing but one of Ramana Maharshi's chants. But consider something. If I had not listened to them I would not be listening to Ramana Maharshi Now. So they are still of great value on the spiritual path for people who are not ripe enough for a real guru. People who are ripe enough will always find the guru they need, you can have faith in that.

So true..I deeply agree!Much love&light to all😇

You are right brother. true saints who teach how to reach consciousness of God never ask for money or donations. This knowledge is universal and belongs to everyone. Capitalism is a sickness to Mankind, shame on everyone who wants to gain personal advantage of Seekers.

I agree.There are so many “gurus” out there all too willing to let the desperate charge up their credit cards to go on a retreat in pursuit of salvation. God provides for true Gurus. As Jesus taught, one cannot serve two masters: one either serves God or they serve Money. Most people worship Money (mono-eye).

Yeah you're correct. But with Ramana Maharshi or Papaji, they haven't done Bhajans and Music...But Mooji Baba is doing that. And for spreading this consciousness, we need some money otherwise, it may become local to one place. but now, Mooji Baba is travelling across the world and increasing the consciousness of Satsang. For that we need some money and also some good people are living on our charity, so it's beneficial also..

Many echo your sentiments my Friend

The only help a guru must do is give people enlightenment. The other helps interrupt people's karma. Excepted by the guru's self to do that, not his subjective will.

I agree John. I took a course in TM early, in July 1968. That was the last of my money they ever received. My cost was $35 US.

Also very experienced for close to 50 years with MMY's teachings. Incredible experiences in his presence and practicing the techniques he taught, but the whole money thing became insane with him, especially the last 15 years of his life. He seemed to be exploiting followers just for their money. Mixed feelings regarding this.

I agree.

Perfectly stated. Thank you.

i sign your comment, just think about "pure prophets" its like saying "wet water" a Prophets attribute is pureness, there is not a single impure prophet.

No sir.

Public parks have LOTS of space and are FREE?😏

Yes, simply because he didn’t charge, does not magically put Papaji on par with Ramana in any way.

@@clearseeing5755 Ramana was a celibate vegetarian. Papaji was a meat eathing adulterer. He got a young, white devotee named Geneviève preganant (while he was still married to his Indian wife, mother of his two other children) He also ate meat. There are a host of differences between Ramana and Papaji.

​@@lucyhartman1501Damn is that true 🤯

He would be ashamed. Mooji is not a guru. Is a fake guru.

Mooji is a thug

What about Gangaji, she mixes guided meditation with political statements, some of them are racist, about how it is 'not ok' to be white, wtf?

I wonder what Ramana would say to Papaji when seeing him sit in front of a huge Ramana photo, allowing people to garland him, kiss his feet, and view him as "Master"?

@@lucyhartman1501 I genuinely don't think he would have cared particularly much.

see this video for David's opinion on that. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yEHvnJLsmic.html

Trust yourself, why ask another human being what to think, you already know and feel the truth yourself.

Exactly!! I would love to go to many spiritual retreats all over the world but cant afford the huge fees. And a LOT of "new age spiritual teachers give talks how it's good to pay yourself a huge wage...god would want that?? And if we are supposed to go to retreat "god" will provide?? Or it's never too much money to spend for god??wtf??🤪 catholic church is one of the wealthiest land owners in the WORLD???CAUSE THATS WHAT JESUS WOULD WANT???🤔🤣😜

u r listening on a headset? try putting both the earphones in..

@@myriambakhti6314 it is very quiet, and only works in one channel

Removing anything that doesn't serve their own interests has been done since the beginning of time ..catholic church??😜

The one that chrages

And who is that one? You will not find him.

necessity charges

Abiding without concepts is the no-mind, stateless state. If there are no concepts at all everything is seen to be Brahman including charging or not charging, right or wrong, higher or lower, concepts or no concepts. Nisargadatta didn't charge for satsang, but he charged for beedies. Papaji had his pension. Ramana received unsolicited donations. Other, modern day teachers, such as Francis Lucille, Rupert Spira, Ramaji, Peter Brown, Ganga, Gangaji, Karl Renz, and A. H. Almaas flat out charge. So, should a teacher charge? Yes, no, yes and no, neither yes nor no.

Koort Wallien ramana didn't at any time receive donations. of course the office was receiving to cater the needs of devotees who were thronging from all over the world. 💜

***** ignoramous

John, hes not ignorant. he knows somethings you don't. Mohammed also had more than 60 wives. but it was not wrong back then. it is now. same way conditioning teaches us what is wrong and right now and we act. and that's why everything is a dream ... Everything perceivable.

@@ShervinZ Prophet Muhammad had more than 60 wives? haha! Stop spreading misinformations you fool! Already proven that you do not know anything, you hear some gossip without research, like all of you liars who are to naive and lazy to research to find the Truth about a subject. To be correct, he had 10 in total, some claim maybe 12-14. some of them were widows, 1 of them were a jewish slave and he gave her the freedom and married her. in those times, being a widow (hardly gets married again by another men) or not having a family is a deathsign. He took them as wife to provide them and care for them. He just had kids with his first wife, who was his only wife, till she had passed away! None of the other wives gave births (what does this tell you??) The bitter Truth is, you all who do gossip about Prophet Muhammad does not know anything about his real Nature nor the Nature of Islam. (you are a victim of modern Propaganda against Islam to think the way some powerful men in politic want you to think to spread misinformations to generate hate amongst Men and this ensures the dividing of Humanity.) But luckily it does not matter what you and others of your kind think about him to be true. Islam is the youngest Religion of all Major Religions, yet its already the second largest Religion and becomes the largest in few decades. You cant do anything about it, it happens through Gods will, because he was his final Prophet. Also it was WRONG to have more than 60 wives in those days ! Prophet Muhammad encouraged everyone to have only 1 wife, so the average Men can provide his wive 100% and give her all she needs (love). Maximum 4 wifes, IF YOU are able to provide and love and treat them all equally. IF you are not able, its forbidden. Prophet Muhammad was an exception, but it was for a very good reason.

satya sai baba had a secret stash of jewels, diamonds, gold and cash hidden in his room, it was found after he died.

Jai Baba! And you were not charged to visit it or asked to make a donation either, you only pay for food and accommodation and it's very cheap.

Well said...Drop drop drop..Remain as that wich remains..

What logistic?Maharshi Ramana never traveled.why you need travel ,ir you realised WHO YOU ARE.

Have you read the accounts of his former devotees at his ashram? He expects them to worship him and sleeps with young women then throws them away. He’s deluded.

@@kiwikim5163 Yes, he's a fraud. Nobody "got it" from Papaji. They all fell to scandals. It's a shame that Papaji told people flat out that they were "enlightened" (when he knew they were not.) Look what a big mess it made.. The mess clearly continues to this day.

Tolle shouldn't worry that he needs to charge money to show value. People will be drawn to truth regardless. Also, Tolle literally makes half a million dollars for one silent retreat. He charges an absolute fortune.

That means you were protected, imagine all the lies he could have implanted into your mind when you would have been able to pay for his "teachings".

"just a girl from a village" with access to the internet....Haha, you've got all you need.

cspace1234nz.....Thank you for these observations....you are spot on. Paul Brunton in describing Ramana, mentions the cod piece worn, the water jug and staff as Ramana's only possessions and calls it "mute testimony". Ramana NEVER touched money !

nothing as long as everybody around can use them

Mooji doesn't give "satsang". Sat means truth. Mooji's "instant awakening" shtick is not the truth. Ramana never appointed Papaji as any kind of successor. He never recognized him as realized, and never asked him to teach, or give him permission to teach. Mooji represents the whole myth of a "lineage" from Ramana via Papaji. You'll notice Ramanashram itself has nothing to do with this non-existent lineage.

Mooji, Gangaji, Rupert Spira Many Charlatan Spiritualists Beware

@@hinduhistory1407 whats wrong with Rupert Spira?

@@woffordwolf2071 Because he talks about consciousness only not the absolute...thus keeping everybody in the realm of consciousness...experiences...but the real I is beyond consciousness & experiences

@@hinduhistory1407 The path he teaches leads to the liberation of the I into the Absolute. Rupert teaches self-abidance. As Nisargadatta said, holding on the I Am is the first and last of all endeavours. Rupert agrees. Whether he believes the I can be dissolved into the Absolute is somewhat irrelevant - the path he teaches leads to the dissolution of the I anyway.

​@@zain4019Yes for most abiding in the I Am itself is difficult, one abidance in I am is established then it's dissolution happens by itself too

He treated animals with equal respect as humans and many came to him for Darshan. He said that Lakshmi, who as in the form of a cow, became self-realized just before the death of her physical body. David G reports that Ramana taught that realized beings could and would turn themselves into animals to get Darshan from Ramana. So yes, squirrel devotees. Best!

Yes, increasing amounts.........

I've never been in of his satsangs but after a small research i found that: He is doing Sunday Satsangs for free almost every week, even broadcasting it live on RU-vid for free. But they charge money for 7-day retreats, where they give you a room for 7-days and feed you, and i agree it is a little bit expensive. Source: mooji.org/schedule/

I didn't know this, but had a funny feeling. So I stayed away.

No he doesn’t for one day stay, but you if you want to stay for Satsang 7days they will charge you. Remember they have a bill to pay too.

1.5 million euros made in 2018, i wonder how much of that was bills? That was just for retreats buy the way.

He is a fake guru. A pervert. Nothing more.

@@alexandreluizalves Why a pervert though? lol

Who is Mooni???

@@ZenMountain Mooji*

@@FragranceView lol any evidence for that?

Rebel Nomad I heard it just fine in my TV

asking for money is an expression of desire, a Jnani is desireless, hence is it logical that a Jnani ask for money?

The body needs food, this is not a desire, desire arises with mind. Having the means to exchange goods is simply the innterconnectedness of human's sharing this world. One can either be honest and do it directly or slyly by getting someone else to make the money to buy food then beg off of them.

DoYouFeelLucky, until you understand basic economics and what money is what I am saying will by pass you - go study it, it will be worth it

ushojedi This is not some little money to come by! Millions of dollars are involved here. Read my comment! pure greed if you ask me! And i dont say every teacher does this btw.

@@jamesaustin7943 it's a jnani's desire that got him there. He desired all of it and he got it. Desire is always there. The object of desire is completely one's choice that depends on the jnan accumulated so far.

Mooji charges for Satsang

Yes, they both have nothing to do with Ramana as well.

@@mariaboden4658 Mooji is a fraud, who knows nothing about Ramana

@@lucyhartman1501 They talk about Ramana as the original inspiration to Papaji

@@meditatingstuff Yes, but Ramana never appointed teachers: "Anyone who says they have Bhagavan's permission to teach is lying" - David Godman Ramana never declared that Papaji was Self realized. He never asked him to teach, nor did he give him persmission to teach.

@@thedukeofnuts trigged much ! Judge me all you want 👍

if you are reffering to David Godman he is not a teacher and doesn't give satsanfg so it's not applicable.

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I agree. It’s all about the intent. Rent and food in the modern western world is expensive.

To understand why involvement of money with satsang is corruptive is a subtle point to perceive. In my opinion, it's because of the very nature of satsang. Satsang means association with Truth. It requires 2 elements - the seeker and the 'teacher'. For satsang to even occur, the teacher needs the seekers as much as the seekers need the 'teacher'. Otherwise, no channel, no vessel. For one side to captilise financially on the other is therefore immediately an energetic imbalance. Also can be called a corruption. Also, of course, depends on what you want, purity is purity, recipe is recipe. Depends entirely on what you want for lunch! Ponder it!

@Michael Kean its apart of the same coin idiot

@Michael Kean do I tell you I dont intend to charge you?

@Michael Kean wot

maybeiam maybe you should listen to the whole talk before vomiting yourself.

You have a long way to go.

Im guessing you follow a fake guru who charges a fortune and you're experiencing cognitive dissonance and blaming david godman lol.