Paper Mario: The Origami King (Zero Punctuation) 

That´s impossible, Paper Mario had good games.

@@marcoasturias8520 and so did Sonic so get off the hate boner because no IP is perfect.

@@marcoasturias8520 paper mario had a unquestionably good game in the less distant past than sonic did, but the effect is about the same on the long time fan's emotions though even the awful paper mario games were still(mostly) functional, the awful sonic games really, really weren't...

@@prcervi To be fair I can only consider Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic 06, Sonic and The Secret Rings as the only objectively bad main series Sonic games. Also no Sonic Boom doesn't count because that's a spinoff game. The rest range from mediocre to great depending on your subjective view.

@@PipeGuy64Bit I don't think I have ever heard anyone complain about the classic sonic stages in Unleashed

There's no limit to the amount of power you can gain if you're the master of irony and hyperbole in a world where people take everything literally and personally.

Getting weird Redditors to form a cult around a single joke that they repeat for years isn’t really on the same level as this

@@mredbadger He literally had the developers of Infamous and PROTOTYPE to do a bikini drawng contest from a joke. Yahtzee has more say than he thinks

@@nonamepasserbya6658 I'm gonna need some proof on that, because if they actually went through with it that's hilarious

It's funny because he wrote that as an insult. But know how clueless they were they took it as a complement.

I think it's more the Nintendo devs saving themselves time by stealing Yahtzee's ideas.

Can't be, @@Ben_R4mZ, since I'm pretty sure one of his ideas was "make a traditional _Paper Mario_ game again". xD

@Ethan Magor I agree. Its starting to get rather creepy how many times this happens. What is this 10th time.

I feel it might be less Nintendo and more Miyamoto, from what we've peeked from behind the curtain it seems he's very controlling over Mario and he's kind of a big deal for the company so they sort of let him now.

@@LloydTavner what has become of miyamoto. I cant even imagine him outright blocking creativity like that

@@Arun_7 His formula of "gameplay first" was something that worked in the 80s and 90s but it's clearly become a bit outdated now. Even the stories in games like Ocarina of Time existed because people like Yoshiaki Koizumi had to work their way around Miyamoto due to him stating that the story was unimportant and confused the person playing. In terms of Paper Mario, from what I can gather he believes that a new and interesting combat gimmick would keep the games fresh. In a video from the channel Video Game Storytime, apparently the first blueprints of Sticker Star featured original Turn Based Action but Miyamoto flat out rejected it, saying that it was boring.

@@naransolongoboldbayer8030 Bobby's design plays into his arc as a character. That's one of those cases where I don't think putting a costume on a character would benefit them.

Reminds me of when Yahtzee met the developers of Remember Me and they were like "man, we were planning on doing all the things you said we should do but couldn't because of production problems".

"You were the chosen one! You were supposed to take the piss out of the brainless fanboys, not join them!"

@@MysteriumArcanum You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become generic.

@@MysteriumArcanum orogami king: well from my point of view the relay cool teacher is the one that is evil............

@@MysteriumArcanum I HATE YOU

@@trycon40 Well then you are lost!

Excuse me?! Is there more story to this, because I want to know more.

@@SerLagsalot He spent the Prototype ZP episode comparing/contrasting the game to Infamous in various categories to determine which did the "supervillain sandbox game" concept better, only for it to come out a tie. As such, Yahtzee declared he would award victory to whichever game's developer sent him the best picture of the rival game's main character wearing a woman's bra.

@@Kefkaesque13 And it did, in fact, happen.

So who won?

@@therealdude707 IIRC Suckerpunch did because their image was higher quality and less creepy

Dungeons isn't "Minecraft without building" though, it's a dungeon crawler with a Minecraft aesthetic

@@amaryllis0 Which still doesn't have building, i.e. the core of Minecraft

​@@ivanrzhanoy9389 But it's not Minecraft. It's a different game with a Minecraft theme. It's like calling Paper Mario "Mario without platforming", as if to imply we just took Super Mario Bros and removed the platforming mechanics. No, it's an RPG with Mario characters.

@@amaryllis0 The point he's making is that the Minecraft IP isn't all that interesting when you remove the building aspect. I've seen plenty of reviews and comments suggesting that even people who really enjoyed Minecraft Dungeons didn't understand why it needed the Minecraft paintjob slapped on it.

@@metalnut92 I don't play Minecraft, but just like Paper Mario, slapping a known series name, surely attracts more buyers really.

Two games, if the mention of it in the first Mario RPG as a gag counts 😅🤷🏾‍♂️

I'm sorry WHAT?!

Cerd Gold Super Princess Peach

@@cerdgold225 Look it up, dude. The reason Princess Peach isn't fucking Mario is because she's jilling off 24/7.

You know...it took me a bit to remember Super Princess Peach...

This is very true. Why couldn't we go back to Mario Party 2?

No, that was Sticker Star. We're in the Super Mario Party era of Paper Mario, where they finally realize they've screwed up by trying to reinvent the wheel, only they've forgotten where the original wheel blueprint went to, resulting in something based off their loose memories of it. Of course this one did try to do new things as well, but I think the aspects not tied to Sticker Star's horribleness were actually decent for the most part. Yes, that includes the Legion of Stationary, they took the "incongruence" factor that made "thing" attacks disjointed and turned it into an asset (won't work a second time though, and would've been even better had "things" never existed prior). It's the refusal to have anything other than stock characters and to "be approachable" that are still dragging it down.

@@2la84me You mean MP3, right? The one that actually had the most authentic strategy element to it?

@@ShadwSonic Interestingly, I kind of agree with that, with the difference IMO that Super Mario Party feels like Classic Mario Party Lite, while Origami King still has hints of Color Splash there but as games goes seem to be servicable to classic fans.

@Vice- Virgo Weakest of the gamecube era. Best was seven.

Paper Mario and the Moist Quest

If that happens i will eat my own house

Paper Mario and the single mother's bedside cabinet.

Spin-off: Origami King and his origami thing'.

ESRB: Rated E for everyone!

....oh my gods that would have been AMAZING.

I don't think anyone was really expecting Paper Mario to have any non-violent allegory...

Doesn't that "non-violent" unfolding of origami will be just like crushing bones with decapitation of a human just by bare hands? 🤔

@@nekonatum no, especially since the game actually features dismemberment. Toad loses his face and there's also a severed head

I mean in universe the explanation is that the enemies are stapled in their oragami forms to stop them from unfolding by themselves/mario's magical hammer abilities (but then not the toads for no reason??). It doesn't make the most sense, and it implies that everything goes back to normal after you kill the stapler boss, but yeah that would have been much better. Many things would have been much better.

Waluigi with an AK and a trench coat.

TOK isn’t Mania, it’s not classic. It’s not Forces either, TOK is actually good. Is it Generations??

Not Wario?

Paper Waluigi: Unsnipped Get it? It’s because he’s uncircumcised.

@@jamisdue3545 Considering the original comment is, basically, trying to make a Paper Mario equivalent to Shadow the Hedgehog, that would make The Origami King Sonic Heroes.

Nintendo is weird in that regard, since their decisions aren't solely focused on profit but standing out from the rest. Hence why even bananas in Breath of the Wild have a specific name, or how it's not open world but "open air."

Nintendo is an enigma to me. They're happy to release very similar games 5 times (New super mario ds,wii,2,u,luigi u) but are afraid of releasing a more conventional paper mario rpg.

Hell, I'd even just buy a port of the SMRPG, PM and TTYD on Switch.

I honestly think Nintendo is in a place where they straight up do not care about regions outside Japan. They've looked at their earning and NA pays for itself and a little extra but if they closed it they could continue in just Japan. And their releases seem to support that. Everything seems to be made with japanese interests and demographics in mind.

Nothing is always good, if I experiment by replacing my car engine with a train engine it isn't good. If I start experimenting on human babies that isn't good. This is what hurts Nintendo so much. They create something and either refuse to or fully commit to it and it creates the double standard which is killing PM's community. SS was too much like TTYD so it became SS... but CS is okay despite being nearly identical to SS.

I haven't played the later games, but in the first 3 games you sorta forget the world is made of paper most of the time. Occasionally its used for a puzzle or power, but its more of an art-style than anything else.

Making the world itself paper rather than just an artstyle is already making conflicts in conversations about Paper Mario. Many do feel that Paper Mario is a separate character from Mario, when it wasn't originally the case. Now that there's an equal number of "Mario Story" and "Papercraft Mario" games it just makes it so mixed on what people think of the series when the two directions are apples and oranges. This would've been fine if we have "Mario Story" versions of the series in conjunction with the "Papercraft Mario" world, but we don't.

​@@zjzr08 I don't think Nintendo means for there to be continuity between Mario games, in any event. The RPGs don't really reference each other, at least not the ones I have played.

@@ManoredRed Actually they do from time to time. Mario Party 64 referenced other spin-offs, especially with Luigi. TTYD referenced a lot of 64 places and sometimes characters. Super had an Otaku chameleon that has merch from the first 2 games. Superstar Saga referenced Dr. Mario, Geno AND Paper Mario (with the block research). Bowser's Inside Story had Fawful as a vilain and the Shroobs referenced. It's easy to dismiss Mario continuity because they are mostly self-contained, but they do try to reference other games and sometimes tie it in to make it feel like they're in the same Mushroom Kingdom (with different interpretations at times).

@@zjzr08 Yes but, there's a difference between a nod to previous games, and implying its the same story/continuity. I think of them as a series of alternate universes with various levels of overlap.

It just made me sad. They explicitly can't make either new characters or jerry-rig any out of the Mario creatures so they only make ones out of the stuff around their fucking cubicles? Are we gonna get a boss-fight against a miniature-cactus or bobblehead of a long-dead celebrity?

Yet they can't put any into a living breathing character anymore

@@afterdinnercreations936 "Cease creativity, cubicle slave. Your purpose is not to give personality, depth, nor life. Your purpose is to draw the funny man that everybody loves for no reason, in a way that does not alienate them because it never makes any moral statements, even really obvious ones like "mind control via hat magic is fucked up". Continue copy-pasting the funny man. Continue." -Nintendo

@@aelechko I mean to be fair: Bowser is a big headed idiot, yet caring father as he always is Luigi is a bit air headed, but genuinely wants to help find the key to the castle (thus getting all the other keys that Mario needs) Olivia is a cinnamon bun who needs to be protected Bobby is an amnesiac who sacrifices himself to SAVE Olivia The only ones that I could see not being any real 'quirk' is Mario (silent protag, though does visibly react to things), Cap'n T' Ode (an old sea faring man), and Kamek (just really wants to help his boss)

@@kingme1313 why would an amnesiac sacrifice themselves to save someone they can't remember? And one trait does not a character make. That's just opening a dictionary, picking a word and assigning a name to it. Nintendo is a multibillion dollar company who have been doing this for forty bloody years. If Toyota's new car lineup this year was made of cardboard you wouldn't defend it. Why does Nintendo get a lazy pass? They have the ability to make terrific games and just don't. They choose not to. That shouldn't be celebrated or have excuses made for. It's crazy.

After the oil you are in fact not supposed to add vinegar, salt and pepper. Who knew!

@@awkwardcultism Agreed. SPM was good. The following 3 games though...

@@awkwardcultism Its a shame how underappreciated SPM went for the longest while. If I had clout back then I would've given the game a good review but asked to return back to turn based combat.

@@Ryusuta Very Very true. We can do it ourselves now that Nintendo has screwed it up 3 times in a row (that that TOK is a bad game, its a fine game but its not a Paper Mario game)

@@awkwardcultism SPM is an 8/10. The mechanics were... the mechanics were what they were, but the characters, story, and world more than made up for the lackluster elements.

Yatzhee should sarcastically suggest that the next game go back to the style of TTYD so Nintendo would copy that too.

jakethejake1 so Paper Mario has become the gore nests of the Doom reboot games. yikes.

Because it's the same concept as the paint as blood from the last game and he wouldn't be good at his job if he just repeated the same thing again. It's why is general public in the comment section who think we're really clever once In a while aren't getting paid to do it.

This is good. I like this joke.

More like he's got a grasp on how dumb the industry is

@@Carlos-ln8fd this is true. For we all know that Yahtzee has told us time and time again that this is an industry that never learns anything.............tee hee hee.

Why not both?

@@Umbra_Ursus little do you know it is both. 😁

You can replace Sonic with any franchise you once loved and keep giving chances to while it keeps disappointing you.

It's like being on a roller coaster, except you don't know whether the next loop or hill is going to suddenly launch you off at 10x speed into a pinnacle of excitement and mirth, or just unceremoniously dump you in a manure pile. And that's even _without_ getting into the ones that are awful to play but amazing to watch... xD

@@cloudtx FF, Starfox, Persona.. I've learned to cope by just playing the games I actually like. Or in the case of Starfox _the_ game I actually like.

It compares pretty well to the PM series in all honesty Sonic Adventure was a great game to start off the series, much like PM64 Sonic Adventure 2 improved on the formula of Sonic Adventure and perfected the Chao Garden system into something that still manages to be amazing 19 years after its release, much like how TTYD was a straight improvement over PM64, keeping all the features that made the original great while adding its own unique additions. I still play this game for the Chao Garden. It has way more depth than a lot of modern games, and it's just a side activity. Also, they're adorable. Sonic Heroes was our Super Paper Mario, a game that deviates from the original formula while still being pretty good. Unfortunately, we did lose the Chao Garden here, and it's yet to return. Heroes is still a fun game, but it's not quite on the same level as SA2 even if What I'm Made Of might be the best final boss theme the series has ever had. We've got a laundry list of disappointments now to parallel Sticker Star and Color Splash between Sonic 06, the Storybook games (although I will grant Sonic and the Black Knight that it's got a pretty fun combat system), arguably Sonic Unleashed and a few others before finally getting our Origami King in 2010's Sonic Colors, sort of. I say sort of because Origami King is a step in the right direction that led to a pretty good gameplay experience while Colors was simply an excellent 3D Sonic game with one of the best soundtracks to date. Reach For The Stars in particular, fantastic song. It still wasn't on the same level as SA2 in my opinion, but damn, it was GOOD and really if it had an updated Chao Garden and it was a bit longer a lot of people might even call it better than SA2. it was also very disappointingly short, as in "I finished the main story in five hours, now what?", but the gameplay is still top notch for a Sonic game and the Wisp system is awesome. Sonic Generations is another contender for the Origami King of the Sonic series, although once again it's actually really good as opposed to just a step in the right direction. It's basically what Sonic 06 should've been. We don't talk about the Sonic Boom series.

On the bright side, Sonic still has 2 good movies to Mario's none.

A Swede is what they call a rutabaga Over in the UK

Yeah, but it wouldn't have worked with the alliteration.

I mean, after 3 times shittendo disappoints you with 3 trash dumps games...

Like he said - Paper Mario is his Sonic the Hedgehog Think of it like getting Sonic Generations - it's moderately tolerable - it's kind of fun - but you just KNOW you're going to get something like Sonic Forces (shudder) down the road because this one will probably do well...

As much as I would like to join you on that its actually not the case. The simplified story is he said "To make the game simpler and easier for kids to play" as a suggestion and when the team was unsure how to proceed they took a poll IN JAPAN (for some reason despite it selling gangbusters everywhere else) about what people liked and cared about. The result came back (from the people who had no clue what they were talking about) that they didnt care and werent attached to anything about Paper Mario as a whole. So the team decided to do as Miyamoto suggested and simplified it for Sticker Star. So if anyone is to blame its the team for only getting the opinions of a small sect of Japanese gamers who may or may not have any attachment to the series and understood what made it good. At least that is the 3rd version of the story I heard after reading why the series became what it is. The first two were similar to the above story that it was a mandate and not a suggestion.

ther game is an adventure one. a really good one. very zelda like inspired

Eyyy

HAH

I don't see all this "fantastic writing" that everyone talks about when referring to this game as it's all paper puns

Oh wow never heard THAT one before

I don’t think we’re getting one.

Simp

@@megazordsez ???

They're stage plays. That's why the level design was for the most part left to right. Up until Super.

Right, and then the Mario and Luigi titles are then the real successors of the Mario story line, instead of the later paper Mario titles.

@@SkydreamerStudios Alphadream went bankrupt. Mario and Luigi is effectively dead.

Super Paper Mario isn't really a bridge, it has even less to do with the later titles than it does the early titles; its just kind of an oddball standalone game.

SPM is a spinoff of a spinoff. That's how it should be looked at, because once people stop comparing SPM to the first 2 Paper Mario games it's one of the best *Mario* games ever made (Easily in my personal Top 5)

It seems like you have not played TOK. It has a very engaging and fun world, good writing, great bosses. But go ahead and listen to 1 review and then shit on it.

@@ianlittle1653 Uh huh. Tell me where in the statement there is a lie. There is no discrepancy between what either Yahtzee says or this person here is saying. In fact if you listened to the video Yahtzee did say he enjoyed the game and then pointed out the flaws.......like he should. -The combat IS more like a puzzle game -Partners ARE temporary -There ARE hardly any new characters -Whoever is running the show on Paper Mario really doesnt know or understand what made the original and TTYD so good and actually has a good reason why the devs shouldnt be allowed to add new characters with interesting designs to the story. Yes its a good game. No its not a good "Paper Mario" game. This isnt a difficult concept to work out. Though in being fair TTYD had so much bananas shit in it im not surprised itll never happen again story wise but there is no excuse for ditching the combat that was slowly being perfected.

Lies, after playing this, I folded the game so many times until it disappeared into thin air

I disagree

Meh the game is great in my opinion. I like Olivia, the writing is hilarious, the world is stunning, the battle system is not as bad as people say, finding toads and other collectibles stays satisfying and the music is fantastic. Definitely worth my money and would recommend it to everyone.

@@magnus5747 And you are allowed your differing opinion. I am genuinely glad people are able to find enjoyment out of it even though I know I wouldn't, especially if the previous two games in the series were so crappy. Really, the only thing about the game that bothers me that's inexcusable is Miyamoto's mandate that they can't design new characters anymore for Mario. That's completely stupid and definitely didn't do the game any favors even for the people who enjoyed it.

@@ForeverLaxx A constant reminder that the 2D on 3D in Classic Paper Mario (i.e. first 3) is just an aesthetic, not the real representation in their world.

Is Silent Hill making new games?

@@matthewmuir8884 you obviously haven’t seen the Silent Hill review where he actually said Silent Hill is his Sonic.

@@Action-Hero I probably did a while ago and forgot about it.

That would be cool, as long as the combat is like that of the first two Paper Mario games. I could see a Paper Zelda RPG: having quirky partners like a Deku Scrub, a young Goron, etc., and it would have to have a compelling story because Zelda games do have at least some actual story to them, unlike Mario games.

And its a damn shame. I guess the lesson is to show your thoughts with your money. Fun fact though, Sticker Star DID sell well because it was marketed heavily towards children and I think Color Splash anf Paper Jam sold ALRIGHT. Itd be interesting to hear more about your time at Nintendo though. Like what you did and how you enjoyed it if thats cool.

@@2la84me it was ok, was working on games, most development/localization and testing is done in a really boring grey two story office building you wouldn't look twice at. However, the building across the way where the sales and marketing, etc. was done was a high end multi story modern art exhibition of extravagance of a glass building. It was very clear where their priorities were. Honestly the only really good thing about working there was Cafe Mario (the food court/cafeteria). Otherwise it was like any other strict, cutthroat, boring and overworked office job.

God, this hits hard. Got any more insight on Pokemon? I love the Pokemon series but it's the same issue, the games are wildly bland but perform well enough to keep selling and it drives me nuts.

@@mystereoheart2579 The issue with Pokémon, is why change what sells? There's also another angle you have to look at it with as well, and it's the same argument I have for tired old cliché jokes in cartoons being reused. Essentially, a formulaic approach toward an existing idea, may seem bland, but that idea is new to the child that experiences it. Just because something is not innovative, does it mean a child seeing it for the first time should not experience it, simply because an older audience craves innovation? The issue of course, is that can only work for so long as you deal with an aging demographic. You must try to keep old fans happy, while making it approachable to a new audience or children, which is why Pokémon is unique in that every single game is essentially its own standalone game that you could potentially start with, having no real significant connection to each other, that you need to play 6 other games to get. This is done to play to the largest audience as possible, for maximum profit, and it works, as Pokémon is the most valuable and profitable IP in existence. However, Nintendo has in recent years, run into a snag. Having the Pokémon franchise been around for so long, "most" of the audience is adult now, and less and less children are picking up the new games, focusing more on social media or fad games like fortnite and warzone. It's a mirrored attitude from the 80s zeitgeist, where kids don't like "cute, fun things" anymore because they want to be seen, and feel like, more of an adult. All this, fortunately, actually answers your question. Those new polls and numbers from a handful of years ago, that showed that most of the entire Pokémon fan-base is adult, have forced the Pokémon Company to shift focus. They now know that most of their audience is adult, and have to listen to their desires, which is why in recent years you may have seen a significant budget increase in the quality of the show animation, much of the X and Y show had animation quality similar to what would be used in big production Pokémon animated movies in the past. The other shift that they have done, is listen to desires and grievances in the Fandom, much like yours, and are trying to branch out and play catch-up with other games, to keep relevant. This is why we got Pokémon Legends Arceus. When it first came out, and I played it, it was a genuinely fun experience, but I could tell, that due to lacking features and minimal area design, that this was a stepping stone. I could tell that Legends Arceus was what some of us call, a "practice project", wherein you become familiar with a new system, learning as you develop, but not trying too hard because it's not "intended" to use the full scope of what the development team wants to do, only getting the team familiar with the new systems and features. I knew that it would be the future of the franchise, because it was clear to me they were taking the time learning the systems and how to approach it, and they wouldn't throw that much money and R&D into a spinoff side project. Sure enough, recently Pokémon Scarlet & Violet were announced, and seem to be expanding everything Legends Arceus set into motion. This is also why, even though Arceus came out early this year, the new ones will be coming later this same year, because Legends Arceus was "not" the focus, it was the "practice project" they slapped a label on and sold, while they were focusing all their effort on developing Scarlet and Violet at the same time as Arceus. So to answer your question in short, yes, change IS happening to Pokémon, but it's moving at a snail's pace because the Pokémon Company needs to try and get it right, and balance a lot of plates at once. A lot of people point to the company worth, and how much money they have, and whine that the games aren't better, but they need to remember, that's the company as a "whole". That means the anime and the hundreds of millions of dollars that costs (which in Japan and America, anime is essentially a glorified commercial because there's not an effective enough way to monetize it without merchandise sales to justify production cost, so in many cases, like with Pokémon, the show is actually a financial loss for them on its own, but helps promote sales in other areas), as well as the manga (many different iterations, publication companies, print companies, artists, writers, etc), the Pokémon cards (It's own massive industry that needs tens of thousands of workers and distribution analysts, artists, game balancing teams, etc.), the merchandise (toys, shirts, puzzles, and more, each needing warehouses, production facilities, and massive amounts of staff and networking distribution), and much more, until you eventually get to the games, are all hanging on delicate marionette threads. When you are handling such a delicate balancing act like that, one failed game could domino EVERY other department and industry under the Pokémon umbrella, so it really doesn't shock me at all how scared they are to take risks. That said, they ARE taking risks now, and I expect more innovation in the future. Development and planning take years though, and Pokémon usually tries to get at least one game series out every year or two. But with these bigger games adding more features, they're going to either have to grow their teams (which can speed up development, but create a messier, more unrefined product from "too many cooks in the kitchen" essentially), or they can release "better" games less frequently. My prediction is the former, then the latter. I expect them (to appease shareholders) to continue their current speedy release schedules. But due to the new scope of their games, will start getting bad scores and fan disappointment after the initial high scores and praise from Scarlet and Violet, as the open world novelty wears off and people notice the issues in the newer games after those two. Because of this they may end up trying to refocus on more "complete" games, that release once every few years or so, while side-teams release other spinoff games like Ranger, Mystery Dungeon, Puzzle Café, etc. This will create a better end product, while still seeming like they're releasing frequently. I haven't worked in the Pokémon Company specifically, people think Pokémon is made in the same space Mario and Zelda are, since they think it's "all Nintendo", but the Pokémon Company owns it, GameFreak develops it, and Nintendo is just its platform. Also very little is actually "made" in America when it comes to those games, even if we have meetings about it. So I can't say what the specific workflow is like at the Pokémon Company, but from what I've observed, and through my own experience, those are my predictions. In short, yes, innovation is happening and will continue, but it's going to take time and be small amounts of progress and change, from generation to generation, for the safety of the company. So far, Scarlet and Violet are likely going to be the largest departure from the formula aside from Legends Arceus, though I expect some changes Arceus made, to be undone, and Scarlet will be a bit more traditional, as if Red and Blue were fully realized open world 3D games ("Red & Blue" being the "Scarlet & Violet" naming color parallel), essentially trying to "start the series over" with a new direction so to speak. So it might still be a bit traditional, but it will pave the way for further innovation in the future. That's purely my predictions though, and not based on any insider information or anything.

You are the reason Nintendo keeps making these bad games.

@@MrCrazywrench Wierd I thought its because your parents didn't love you. It's ok though because I got others not to. Also, the first one was pretty good, never played the inbetweeners was my mistake. He literally mentions people like me in the vid.

Super Paper Mario Is honestly the paper mario with the best story, sure the gameplay's not the best but you sitll get experience for killing enemies and you still unique and interesting characters and locations and you still get fun set pieces and funny jokes and you get the best villains in the entire frnachise But yeah THousand Year Door is probably the one with the ebst battle system

If ya want a new and good paper Mario game, play Bug Fables, ha.

@@nobodyinparticular9640 If I want to go to wacky Mario adventures that you don't typically see in his other games then where do I go?

Seriously!? Odyssey just came out for this console generation. You can't wax nostalgic about it like it's Mario 64. They haven't even released a new mario platformer yet so it's not like there's been a string of bad Mario platformers.

@@uberculex Actually, I just played Mario Odyssey for the first time a couple months ago. I went into with reasonably high expectations, but I was not expecting it to outdo the Mario Galaxy games, my erstwhile favorite Nintendo platformers. Odyssey blew said expectations so far out of the water, I'm still struggling to imagine something of the same level of creativity and enjoyability coming out any time soon, although I suppose that just means I'm not very creative myself.

@@slambangaction sorry, I think I misread the tone of the original comment. Odyssey was really good :)

@@slambangaction play a hat in time then. Thank me later.

The scissors boss was quite nasty as well, like some sort of gore but for paper.

I suppose the Paper Mario team isn't clever than the defunt Alpha Dream or the team behind Odissey (1up), so they don't bother to create a new race or character outside of the helper and the antagonists in order to not anger Miyamoto with his impositions.

I say can't, I mean won't.

Quite. EVERYONE knows that Gwen Tennyson lewds are best lewds. Hey, hey people

Miyamoto: "This game's too much like _TTYD_ . CHANGE IT!" -Paraphrased, but he did actually say that about an early -_-Sticker Star-_- build, which is what led to the release version.-