Paper Patching Techniques for the Quigley rifle Or any other BPCR for that matter. 

Very cool

I'm not sure how this is going to help out a muzzleloader, But what do it know. LOL. If you get some help from this Great and best of luck to you. I know next to nothing about the Gibbs rifle.It looks very similar to a Alexander Henry though.

I probably should have been more specific. Your "Paper Patch" techniques (Process) were helpful, since I'm going to start making a paper patch round for my new Gibbs Rifle!@@kcstott

Thankyou very much for the kind words. Paper patch is a little pricy to get into but it does not suffer the issues of grease groove bullets.

My pleasure Sir.

If it works for you but that's expensive. 500 sheets of Seth Cole 55W 8.5x11" is like $30 and will be enough paper to last you a life time.

I shoot grease groove bullets in my pistols. I will not shoot a grease groove in this rifle. and that's just my choice. Nothing against it just not for me.

I've never tried it, but what's the worst that could happen?

Never seen a need to lube a patched to bore bullet.

Correct. but if your lead is not of correct alloy it will not bump up and catch the rifling.

@@kcstott In Paul Mathews book The Paper jacket " you can size the bullets after you patch.

Doesn't matter if its smokeless or black powder, no crimp needed. and yes you can crimp them but since they are already very undersized to the typical bullet and case diameter the bullet seating/crimp die will not work well if at all. RCBS dies don't work. You can however use a 45 colt sizing die to apply a mild crimp but I caution you. it is very easy to ruin the paper.

I have those books, now While a grease cookie may work on a 45-70 they do not work on the 45-110. Well they do but they need to be .375" thick due to burning 104 grains of 1.5 F powder. Paper patch bullets require a clean dry bore to get the best accuracy. Yes you can get away with it for hunting but not for 1000yd competition. Yes I use a drop tube. Thank you but I'll stick with a Multiple National champion's technique on how to load the 45-110 for competition.

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And you are using a very fine edge of steel to cut paper. I am not cutting paper with a fine edge of steel. Kitchen knives dull cutting tomatoes. I want you to think about something and don't take this as being condescending. The barrel used in this rifle is the same steel and type of barrel others use to shoot jacketed bullets with smokeless powder. So what's worse on a barrel? A thin piece of paper wrapped around a bullet that is .012" under groove size , or a copper jacketed bullet that is exactly groove diameter that has to deform to fit the bore? If I was shooting jacketed bullets this barrel would be good for about 5-7K shots and I'm guessing at that number. While Kenny Wasserburger has well over 20K paper patched rounds fired in one barrel and the rifle has not shown any signs of reduced accuracy. No the paper jacket in not hard on the barrel.

@@kcstott i have shot a few PP bullets in my Shiloh but have been reluctant to do so on a steady basis. I thought I would ask a machinist. Who else would know better? Thanks

How many national championships have you won?? You do not need to lube the patch, while it will not hurt I've seen zero signs of it helping. I'm not going to add a step that does not contribute to speeding up th eprocess or making th egun more accurate.

Yeah seems only the rich could afford wood pulp paper. Wasn't very common

A few books do claim that it does. The way I'm wrapping in the video is correct to Wrights book

@@kcstott Yes the idea is that the rifling unravels the patch so it will fall free the moment the bullet leaves the barrel

According to Mike Venturino (author on buffalo rifles of the old west) the finished wrapped paper patched buller can even be a thousands or two under bore diameter as it will still easily slugg up and the dirrection of the paper patch aplication doesn't matter. The rifling cuts the paper when the bullet leaves the muzzle. If you examine the paper patch remnants a few feey in front of your muzzle will prove that statement. Hell, my custom mold from Mr. Steve Brooks measures out to .438 and when patched with 9 lbs clay free onion skin paper measures .448 inches. I also apply once dried a thin application of spg lube or Wonder lube to the paper befor loading and both seasons the bore and keeps subsequent shots fouling down and soft. This also tends to reduce the powder fouling ring that forms right at the forward end of the cartridge. A good idea for up to ten shots without swabbing the bore using only a blow tube to keep the black powder soft which enhances accuracy. These Shiloh Sharps rifles have extremley tight chambers so they also recommend ( if compressing the powder charge) using a drop tube and seperate compression die before you seat the bullet. This technique is useful for both paper patch as well as grease groove bullets. Using the compression die removes any issue of bullet slump (deformation) which in Shiloh rifles will make the bullet unable to chamber.

There's just so much wrong with your statement I don't even know where to begin. Cast bullets require a given hardness so the bullet will obdurate and grip the rifling. If your bullet is bore diameter & to hard it will not grip the rifling and will tumble on target. If your bullet is groove diameter it will just destroy the patch and lead the barrel. Barrel wear is not an issue with cast black powder loads. you could shoot a lifetime and not wear out the barrel As long as you kept it clean. Paper patching will not allow you to use ultra hard bullets. you are not understanding the concept here at all. That and I have no idea why you think ultra hard bullets wear out barrels and somehow a paper patch is going to save your barrel.

Thanks for your reply. I haven't been able to shoot in some years - just no place available - so it is an abstract interest.... my casting, reloading equipment & guns are all gathering dust....was gonna case a few bullets, just for fun.... have plenty of reloading components - brass, primers, etc...

Black powder bullets have to be flat base. If there was a boat tail the bullet would be gas cut and your accuracy would be shot. This is why we stack wads under the bullet to protect if from gas cutting.

@@kcstott thanks, the only black powder anything I've ever owned was a whitneyville replica, and I've never even held a muzzleloader, much less shot one 😎

You can burn your barrel using boat tail slugs with black powder

And that's the biggest reason I paper patch. I'll never shoot a BPCR and not paper patch.

Never heard of it but sure. it would work. Same principle applies, match the paper wrap thickness and bullet diameter to the bore or groove diameter which ever you decide to shoot,

Wives tail. I know two National champions hat have used Seth Cole paper for decades. 10's of thousands of rounds down the barrel with no ill effects. The myth of rag content paper is due to the fact that it was all that was available at the time. Wood pulp paper was very expensive and not used

You can paper patch anything as long as you get the proper undersized bullet. If you are having leading issues in a 38/357 the issue is most likely bullet size and hardness then it's lube quality.

@@kcstott I think it is bullet size compared to throat size. The throats are oversized enough that there is fall through clearances. Lube is HiTek coating, hardness I don't check but they are "cowboy". I was running them with 3gn of titegroup in 38sp and was still getting leading. I have read gas checks could be an answer as well but thats cost that I would rather not put into them since they would be costing as much or more to shoot than the plated I am now shooting. Thank you for your response.

Why not use copper jackets and smokeless powder?? Teflon won't help, and it's nasty to they environment. Barrels last 20,000 rounds plus shooting paper. The point is to do it the way it was done in the 1870's-1900's. if I wanted it to be easy it would have been a 45-70 with jacketed bullets and smokeless.

Teflon tape can be used in muzzleloaders but the tape must be lubed after being placed on the bullet (this protects the bore from the Teflon). The Teflon tape isn't really a patch but it's a way to secure the bullet. Teflon tape will safely load a slightly undersized bullet without coming off the charge and comes off the bullet when fired but not quite unraveling. It's a seating lock not an actual patch.

I highly advise that you slug your barrel and chamber cast your chamber. Pedersoli's are notorious for sloppy chambers and oversized bore. It's not uncommon to find them with .460"-.462" groove diameter. So in all likelihood you will not be using that same bullet that i use. Paper does go around twice but does not overlap at the finish. This is the reason to have an accurate template. No gas check. The bullet is not healed for it and we are not using modern practices in these cartridges. and you don't need gas check untill you exceed 1500 fps anyway. These rounds I make would be recognised and trusted by any 1880's buffalo hunter or Creedmoor competitor.