If parallels and crossover can bring gaming inside apple machine . Why cant apple itself invest in a team to make gaming possible with someother feature like Rosetta !
Yup, what this other guy said. “Money” being the key word there. There’s no financial incentive for apple to support games outside of mobile at the moment.
gaming on Mac is not real lmao you can use crossover to play old games on shit fps and graphics lmao just buy a windows pc if you can already buy an m1 mac
Man, these reminds me of my first MacBook when I loved tinkering with games and apps to see what would run on it. And boy am I going to enjoy doing it again. Thanks for your work.
Sorry in advance for the time maschi e effect ( your comment is from 10 months ago lol) but how is it performing? Are you using parallels 17? Which games have you tried?
Hypervisors are always gonna bet better, because CrossOver/WINE/Porting Kit etc.. will run allot of games on M1, but will not run many newer games, plus there are no Direct X 11 that Parallels can use. WHile there is overhead, the trade off is well worth it depends on the type of game. For example, i've run 1990 games on VMWare and Parallels, and Porting Kit, and Cross Over/Porting Kit, run at full speed, but with exceptions of games... There is a trade off. Personally, all of these are just 'filling the gap' for convenience sake... If you want to run AAA titles get a gaming PC. FWI: I dunno if Parallels allow this, but if TPM is not for you, unlike a physical PCl you can just remove TPM entirely from VM Settings, and it works just fine.... (or maybe its a bug in VMWare.. *shrugs*)
In the future, a third option 'should' be BootCamp 2 from Apple, with Windows ARM, and this time around, with the ability to install this on an external drive right out of the box.
I think it would've been good to show a counterexample to the kind of trend you showed off with the games (Parallels being slower but Crossover being potentially more buggy). For example Team Fortress 2 runs smoothly in Parallels but really slowly/unplayable at the lowest settings in Crossover.
Thanks I would've if I had examples, however not that many games work in both. I actually hadn't had luck getting Team Fortress 2 working on CrossOver however I have heard CrossOver 21 makes this game run better.
@@Andytizer I've tried with both Crossover 20 and 21 when it came out and I was getting the same performance (a choppy 10 to 25 fps with random crashes once in a while on a 16GB MBA)
@@kit_ty_kate That's good to know I'll test and record a video in the future. It just goes to show there are exceptions to all the generalisations and it's essential to check/update the wiki as each game performs compeltely differently on each method.
I ran GTA V just fine, from my Steam install via Crossover, without any cracks/hacks. Performance is quite good, running off an external m.2 drive even, not main SSD. M1 Pro Macbook Pro 16", 16GB of RAM. Main issue is shadow quality in the game, and once in a great while, i had a lockup for like 1-3 seconds to load stuff into memory I guess. But I also had other apps open when running the game/sucking up RAM.
As I mentioned in one of your other videos. The virtual TPM chip option is available in the Standard version of Parallels as well you don’t have to have the Pro.
@@aha6781 You can check out previous videos on introduction of Parallels 17 in this channel. Since Windows 11 required TPM 2.0, the latest edition has an option to create virtual TPM chip in settings. But the real problem of incompatibility lies in CPU(based on results from WhyNotWin11, which can be found on Github). In latest Windows 11 version Apple Silicon Chip(m1) can now be identified and it's considered to be not compatible with official Windows 11 Build later.
I use a nify trick with VMWare.. When setting up i make sure i only have 'only encrypt the required files like.vmware". Then after Windows 11 install, i remove TPM module hardware from "Settings", then edit .vmx file (deleting TPM entries (usually found by a blob at the bottom between tags. it works.... No need for TPM entry in Mac keychain.. Cannot do THAT on a psychical PC :)
Great video, as usual Andrew!! I have to say what is the point of getting either solution on the M1 Macs. Simply is not worth the trouble of finding work-arounds and then getting poor performance. At this point in time, we live in a world where Macs and PCs justify their niches - productivity and gaming.
Yes this is a completely valid point, you can end up paying quite a lot for Parallels or CrossOver but ultimately if you want to game, just buy a PC or a console and you'll have a much better experience. Certainly for me I think there are enough macOS games to last a lifetime for casual gaming.
Well, it's not stellar but you can definitely see the direction things are going. Not too long from now the power of the machines will be so great that we'll easily get 60fps at high settings and high resolution. A 16GB (or even 32GB) MacBook Pro with 50% (or possibly even 100%) more cores plus more graphics power will bring things up another big notch. I'm contemplating a PC laptop just for gaming but will wait until the next MacBook Pro running the next chip comes out before pulling the trigger since I need to upgrade my current Mac laptop anyway. Having one machine for everything has its advantages. Plus, perhaps the Macs won't sound like a jet engine when playing a game.
I really like your videos, very good work. Would be interesting to see what performance is like with 16GB of Ram on all these Games. Are you looking to upgrade to another M1 Macbook with 16GB?
Thanks I like to test on base model Mac as this is what most people will have access to. I will buy whatever is the base model of the next M1X or M2 model when they are released.
I still prefer Parallels VM because modding in Windows directory structure and some game related applications - Nexus Mods, Steam Workshop, Alternative Mod launcher etc... as well as the myriad of emulators and game front ends - Launchbox, coin-ops, Playnight, etc... Depending the Macs and resources/drivers allocated to the VMs it offers more overal than Crossover if you are into the aforementioned things, even if it has less performance.
Great job doing all this testing! I'll be interested if you could try to run PlayStation Now. I'm trying it with parallels this afternoon but I won't be able to try it with crossover for a while (permissions problem)
For future owners: 8GB version is very capable device for its intended use ... i can do photoshop, premiere edits and cinema 4d animations without any issue on this tiny laptop with killer battery life. 16GB version is just not worth it for 200eur plus (depends on your country but i guess the markup will be very similar). If u plan to game tho, just get something else. Yeah there is very expensive parallels that scams its users with every new realease not being free upgrade, and crossover that have compatibility issues. Even if u dont mind to overpay for 16G version and software, u still have a lot of work to do to even run most of these games ... its not install and play most of the time. The experience is just not worth the effort and money. Im not trashing devs for their amazing work, but if gaming is what u want to do here, rather burn your money right away.
Apple fanboys need to buy games at full price and may be some games will be develop on the mac. For the price of a M1/512gn/16gb you have a Pc laptop with a very high end graphic card. but fan boy don't buy games.
I thought i could continue playing guild wars 2 on the go with crossover. Sadly the game always crash after an hour or two using crossover. I guess thats a sign for me to separate my work and gaming machine
Just announced it 6 efficeientcy cores 8 power cores 32 high power gpu cores 16 neural cores security chip and 16 or 32 gigs of ram it should be able to run gta at 120 fps surely it’s about 40 percent more powerful than the M1 so 60 at highest settings and 90 to 120 at medium low mix that’s insane for a laptop peaking at 40 watts max
Crossover 22 is amazing. Just bought a sub to it. It's effing FAST, low footprint and looks great in spite of not dedicated drivers from Apple. The Community has created whatever is available
CrossOver seems to run quite well on my Mac with the Rockstar Games Launcher. Even online. However mods like FiveM do not seem te work since CrossOver runs as administrator by default
Thanks for the info. Hadn't heard of Crossover before. May have missed it in the video, but is this Parallels 16.5 or new 17.0? I understand there's a performance boost with the new version?
CrossOver is the commercial version of Wine, which is just a compatibility layer, its obviously going to be much faster than emulate an game in a full Windows install on top of a virtual machine., but since Wine is reverse engineered, is much more difficult to make everything 100% compatible, and Apple deprecating 32-bit support doesn't help sadly.
Great video, Andrew! My question may seem strange, but still. It is known that the performance of Starcraft 2 via Rosetta is not very good for some reason. Would you like to try running Starcraft 2 through Parallels or CrossOver for comparison?
Great video. Playing to get crossover on a Mac mini m1. Will it be possible to access steam library running through crossover on a mobile device via steam link? Same question for parallels though and what’s your suggestion for my setup?
there are two options wine(crossover) or you put Linux on the mac and run steam proton via box64 and proton is wine with dxvk und vkd3d which are needed to translate directx to vulkan which is the fastest on Linux
Hey there Andrew, thanks for this video! It seems the Standard version of Parallels now offers 8GB RAM of usage. Do you still recommend the Pro version? Thanks!
Hey there! I’m currently using Parallels but crossover seems more suited for me. Is there a way to drag and drop the entire game/application or do I have to start all over again?
I’d like to see the first watch dogs. And I want to see the games same test but on the newly announced MacBook Pro. I ask for the first watch dogs because I’m using it to test parallels on my machine and it’s basically unplayable. Want to know if it’s a watch dogs thing or parallels thing.
What about older games? Are they easier to run? Some of my favourite games are not on the list, but they are not demanding, should I assume they are not compatible with parallels if they are not on the list? Thanks for the testing!
Great video, I wonder what risks would be involved in running a cracked and potentially infected version of GTA V via Crossover, would malware be able to run under Crossover and cause harm?
Wine was great, and third-party Wine versions that got created after the official WIne got discontinued on macOS, but it only runs .exe files, which eliminates one of the already few games I play, Minecraft Bedrock. I also personally intend to use Windows for non-gaming stuff, so I will probably just get Parallels. Prefer VMware Fusion, but I remember VMware saying that they weren't going to add Windows support on Macs with Apple Silicon, so Parallels remains the only option for me.
Don’t forget Xbox game pass to stream your games. Might be the easiest and best thing to do for a mac m1 with it hardwired to the router. Just another option.
There's no contest on a Mac M1 mini 8GB, CrossOver wins by a landslide. Played Mafia 2: DE with maxed out graphics settings and it ran better than any platform I've ever used. Set frame rate to 120. Don't forgot to enable all Bottle graphics settings except default.
Just came across your excellent video. I’ve been wondering for months about this very issue. One question, I’m a great fan of No Man’s Sky but it doesn’t appear in your Master Games List. Do you know anything about whether and how NMS can be played on the M1 Macs?
what's better for games like NFS MW, underground , and is latest Crossover slower & more hot than 23.7.1, I have M1 & in most wanted in police chase starts to lag & laptop to get hot even if I play everything on low just highest res wich on M1 is 1270 I think
So a Macbook with lets say 32GB of RAM would spend 16GB on Paralels resulting in only half of its potential being used? Why does paralels just always use 4gb since thats what it needs? Surely theres a setting to change that o,O
i have a macbook air m1 8gb .. i tried playing assassins creed brotherhood through parallels but it heats... and i think its more than normal temperature
Until there is an ARM version of Windows I think Crossover might be my choice - may give it a chance. I have a random Laser Cutting App that I need Windows for and I'm curious to see if it will work or not. I really wish MS would support ARM better (hopefully they may actually soon). I subscribe to Parallels, but the biggest issue is nothing w/ M1 other than ARM. I have just been using my Intel MBP for my Windows stuff.
Great video as always. Really interested in getting new game Riders Republic running on a Mac Mini M1. What would be best setup though? Will it work on Crossover? What’s your view and possible testing to get 60 FPS for riders republic on Mac
Owner of a 16GB M1 Mac Mini here; Just for your reference, GTA Online is playable with 8GB of RAM for the Parallels VM with approximately 20~30 FPS, though there is tearing in the sky (possible rendering issues?)
Using it for work and not concerned with the set up cost (parallels) or set up time (VMware or UTM) I just want whats best. Parallels or VMware or UTM?
So ... how do you think Win ARM x86-64 games will run on the M1x? Trying to decide whether to buy the 16" MacBook Pro, 32 GPU, 2 TB SSD with 32 or 64 GB RAM.
Do you have a copy of windows 10 arm that works on parallels on a MacBook Pro M1 max? Every time I download a version it said it cannot install it, I have the blue screen of death
I couldn't get Robocop or Ghost Wildlands to work in cross over unfortunately. Too bad there's not a guide for each game on how to get it to run. Good thing they let you try it first. Its way to janky atm.
is crossover free? I only know parallels is paid. I play plants vs zombies garden warfare 2 on steam with parallels and using the free 2 week trial. Runs really well on my m1 MacBook Pro 2021
Thanks for the great video, I want to play It Takes Two on my Mac M1 - I see on your list it is ranked as "Plays perfectly on Crossover" but are you able to play online with a friend? Also looking to play Left4Dead2, i see its ranked as "Playable" but does online work?
Yes CrossOver 21 is confirmed to be working on Monterey now: www.codeweavers.com/blog/mjohnson/2021/8/12/we-hate-keeping-good-news-to-ourselves-its-monterey-markable
I own GTA V on Epic Games, but as stated in the video, I would need to have a fully cracked version of the game to run this. Could someone point me to a working releaser or name of the scene where I could download a version of this game that's compatible with Crossover? I've tried so many from FitGirl or other repacks but just doesn't seem to run at all. A tutorial on this would be very very much appreciated.
We are in September 2022, and im wondering what is the best way to play gw2. I have a MacBook Pro m1 with 16gb ram. As far as I hear, only rosseta2 won't help here. So I need either Crossover or parallel. From a short research I saw that crossover is better, but it is more expensive. Could anyone here help me out please? :)
hey man I've just got parallels on my Mac buh I've tried running gat 5 on it buh its saying I have to get some missing .dll files ive downloaded direct x on the vm but still doesn't fix the problem
M1 Mac not so powerful if you running on low or normal . However on my Mac Pro and boot camp run ultra high due we can put high end GPU. Apple m1 are for casual gamers buying game apple app store
Hmm, there were quite a few games in that list that didn't have an FPS counter. Very difficult to tell true speed on a recorded video. Also missing several games specs too. Ex: Fallout 4.
Yes many framerate counters won’t load correctly under CrossOver or Parallels, I tried to enable them where possible. The videos themselves are all in the main benchmark playlist.
Great video, do you know an M1 / ARM virtual platform that runs / supports Linux Red Hat OS? I tried Paralells, but I dont think it supports it, maybe im wrong.
