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They have to figure out another way. My 26 year old grandson, his wife and two children are currently in negotiation for a house. They got turned down by the seller a few weeks ago. This week the seller called and asked if they are still interested. The deal hinges on repairs that need made. My grandson is a barber and his wife stays home. How are they doing this? At the start of lockdowns they moved in with my daughter. Why? He splits salon space with my daughter. It was the best way they could all pay their bills including that salon rent. My husband and I loaned the money to reopen and meet health requirements. That has been paid back. While that was going on, his older brother and his daughter moved in with me, my husband and disabled son. Since then he got off unemployment by calling his employer daily begging to work even though his unemployment was more than his pay. He has now gone from labor to running multiple projects for another company that heard about him. He is now making over 100K and companies keep coming to him. He has a high school diploma and these job usually require and engineering degree. My husband and I are on a fixed income retired. Prior to leaving work to care for my disabled son I refinance my house for a low mortgage payment. My first house in the 80s carried a 15% mortgage. Both my husband and I came from poor families and spent decades figuring it out in what ever economic situation we were in. This generation can too. Life is not easy.

Back in my day we had unemployment insurance for young people that were 'between jobs', and we had welfare for young single moms. We didn't have people living in tent cities in our major cities. Once upon a time we actually cared about each other's other welfare. Now we kick homeless people out of their tents in the middle of winter in Edmonton when it's -50.

​@@martymcfly1776 I'm confused. Are you being sarcastic? Do we not still have unemployment insurance and welfare? I have several people in my family that are homeless. They had government subsidized apparemments at ridiculous low rents and they all got welfare. They all started doing drugs. Stopped paying their bills. Stopped paying rent. All of the welfare money went to drug dealers and after over a year of not paying rent they got kicked out and are now on the streets. Any money you give them goes to drugs. 0 goes to food. They only eat what is given to them. They refuse help for their addiction. Now what? Is that billbgates fault? Or Amazon? Or trudeau?

This is silly. There were always homeless people. Even when Alberta had a negative effective unemployment rate. Plus we have welfare systems that you claimed we dont. ​@martymcfly1776

@@hillfortherstudios2757 We didn't have large numbers of homeless people like we do now. Also the welfare program at one time supported a huge number of single moms. That was before they decided to make the Dad's pay. That's why nobody gets married any more. Nobody wants to be stuck with supporting a family that no longer includes them. That's why we have to import people to sustain our population. Welfare has never been adequate to support a single person. The reason it worked for single moms was because it was $600 per person. If you had three kids you got $2400/month, which back in the day, was enough to pay rent on a house and buy gas for a car.

The foster parents can still continue to let them live in their house and support them if they choose to?

Blame yourself for voting for Trudeau. Not the foster parents. If they are over 18 and still living there then they should be paying their own cost of living still even though it’s cheaper.

@@stelity I think that's the issue. People normally have the choice to support or not support their adult kids.

@@martymcfly1776 Once they're 18, they're an adult and they're able to take out loans to go to college or be employed. Yes, NYC is expensive. They still have the option to move to a place that is more affordable. It may be living with a lot of roommates or it might not be in NYC. Also, as mentioned earlier, if they get along with their foster parents, the foster parents may choose to have the foster kid/adult to continue to live with them. I don't think there's a lot of people who will want to support a "foster adult." As an adult, they have access to many government benefits such as SNAP, section 8, etc.

@@stelity I think they still have the choice, but they no longer get the funding from the government.

This is yet another reason to claim you will fully fund old folks retirement via the government then do a 180 and be like oops, I meant to fully privatize retirement. Only give money from the government to the disabled to live on. If you're totally able bodied and can work more than 30 hours a week, then work. Go in on a mansion and have a roommate per bedroom.

Same in Europe.. That is why it gets so easy for China to take over and become the world leader.. Our western dominance and wealth will dry out all by itself..

Not so... Look at all the divorce now, people couldn't before, as much, my parents did and we all got financially whacked but landed ok now, phew, people marry more now for love like you're supposed to!

Boomers love it.

@@rickyayy Oh yeah! Many parents especially, being nothing more than sanctimonious losers who had it all the easy way, love shoving their nonsensical righteousness down their kids' throat when such kids are 'failing in life'.

@@joseenoel8093 I think you missed what they were saying. Financially, we're in a much weaker position than the previous generations. Inflation is worse. The amount of money needed to own a home is now far above the average income. It was never in reach for most millennials since that shift happened when most of us were early teens. College is now more than twice as expensive. We hear stories about how our grandparents made it all on their own with one income, worked their way through college with one job and deserved all the tax breaks they got and the lower interest rates on their homes and higher interest rates on their savings. Now, you would have to work a full time job, plus a part time job to work your way through college WHILE going to classes full time, not counting any other expenses like supplies or gas money. So...yay, we can divorce each other...and probably move back in with our parents cause we can't survive on one income. Lord help us if we decided to have children.

Transfer guilt & responsibility to anyone else in order to take the focus off your own inability to succeed. Lol

Then theres some of us in our 20s helping our parents out, and other people we know.

​@@CommoditySCMajority seem to need the help from parents, be thankful you are lucky enough to be in that position.

@@CommoditySC That's really commendable; I see that a lot in other cultures. I'd like to make enough to give back to my family too. It's a wonderful thing to do.

@@abcdedfg8340 Lol lucky. I've been anything but. Do what others wont, live like others can't. Go read for 10-12 hours a day, 5 days a week for 5 years. The other two, have a construction business to support yourself. Spend nothing on leisure while you do this. This will only be step one of doing what others wont. Try this then come talk to me about luck.

@@AndyRiot Born and raised Canadian

Blame the economy

Most Asian families stay together till their child marries. It's normal and will be the new norm here too.

welcome to southern europe and eastern europe 🤣we been doing it for decades

@@weird-guy but now eastern Europe is NOT doing that, cause they have good economy.

@@rickyayy We are not in Asia

you shouldn't be relying on CBC to tell you how to live. And it's not the whole country, 5% at best, so yeah, get your sh*t together.

Now CBC, dont get all thin skinned, accept the debate, people will disagree, that is democracy, deal with it. This country is being driven into economic ruin and poverty by our housing crisis. Burying our heads in the sands is not going to fix anything. Everyone from seniors, to middle class, to your children will suffer if this continues. You need to allow free and open debate in the comments sections, so people can start getting involved in the building solutions and participating in our democracy to solve this problem and make a more livable Canada. It wont be easy, people will disagree, but it will certainly be better than people being driven to despair and onto the streets in silence. It will be better than couples never being able to have a future their parents hoped for them. It will be better than rents and mortgages consuming half or more of income forcing many people to reduce their necessary daily meals, which is poverty in my opinion. Just my opinion.

It's a profitable business. Look how much on Wall Street has invested into it. It's even part of our gdp. Who's Canada's second largest farmland owners lol. Paid by the taxpayers outch.

@@abcdedfg8340 exactly! You’re absolutely right! Like this is just not okay.

Either that or they’re just lazy people. Some people are just lazy and they don’t want to you know be responsible for paying their own bills and owning their own house because they don’t want to have that responsibility to clean it

I want both.

instead you will get DOUBLE the immigration!

neither is likely to happen anytime soon as the more you raise wages the more the cost of living increases. and the more stuff costs. if you think anything is going to come down in price your wrong because all the people setting the prices want to make more money

​@@rickystarduster The likelihood or lack thereof is only a matter of opinion. regarding all your points: - Wage increases don't necessarily translate directly to cost inflation, the two things are related but to which degree fluctuates a lot. - Sellers refusing to sell keeping prices elevated isn't how economics ultimately works. Prices are set at the margins and people that have to sell, will sell, and price discovery will happen regardless.

the only way the 2nd thing happens is if the economy tanks similar like the mortgage crisis in the us loooool. with the snails pace at which housing is being built, they're being trickled into the market which won't do anything to lower prices at all. AND ALSO if you have walked along toronto you can see some of the rentals being built advertise "luxury" loooool.

Feel you. I got divorced recently, and even the one bedroom studio apartments are 1200$, (no utilities, but they have a business room you can rest out once a month with no fee...yay.) Big companies bought up a lot of real estate and are now using it to beggar us. Take home pay around here is only around 1800 ...how are we supposed to live?

One bedroom studio apts for 1200? What city are you from? In Hamilton you can't rent a studio for under 1600-1800.@@Firsona

@@darrinheaton2614 Please also look at the rest of my comment about average take home pay here. The cost of living is lower, but wages are lower.

It's self-mastery that separates the external power seekers from the internal power seekers. Those are the two types of powers - the former representing the sub-natural, natural and supernatural world and the latter representing the sub-pragmatic, pragmatic and super-pragmatic world. I don't see how anyone who starts to lever the super-pragmatic power for their own benefit can struggle. In other words, you had better learn this stuff or join a network of people who have at least this much figured out, or else you're always going to struggle, fighting the forces who think they have super-natural powers even though they don't. There are tons of people who I would consider priceless, why would I want to put a price on their heads or labour? Labour comes from culture, not from capital, that's one of the things you find out from the super-pragmatists.

Really? The last few years have been great. Got a house before I turned 30, and each month I put away 2-3k in savings. Brand new cars. Life is good.

I bet such arrangements drive down wages too, because you have people who are willing to work for spending money rather than bills.

​@@ThePeterDislikeShowI would guess that the tax cuts for the rich by reagan starting in the 1980s and the stagnation of middle class wages for decades until now has more to do with it. But you may want to read on that yourself.

But it is wrong that the parents are supporting their young adult family members.. It is the reason why it is getting worse and worse !

Is 82k considered good income or low to middle class?

​@@rickyayy Middle class maybe 15 years ago.

Nothing new in my country some parents (40+) only have houses because parents gave them land, got financial help or the other solution was migration to better paying eu countries this for poor and lmiddle class people

I moved out when I turned 18. Didn't receive a single dime from my parents. I rented rooms in peoples houses for many years. First room I ever rented was so small that the wardrobe was in the hallway because all you could fit in the room was a single bed. I changed jobs often, slowly gained experience and higher paying jobs. I saved, I invested, I did some side hustles, and 20 years later I was a millionaire. Like you, most of my friends received help from parents. Some still do. I have an older cousin who's father in law casually just paid off his home, and he spoke about it like it was normal. They have no idea what its like to wonder where your next meal will come from. Van living is tough, especially in winter, but it all depends how baldy you want to get ahead. The worst part of it though? Nobody is impressed when you do it on your own.

@@rickyayy 80k 10 years ago was upper middle class, now it's lower class. Like 100k you were rich and now if you make 100k after taxes it's 60k and after rent you have 35k after car and insurance 20k now add grocery + elec + water + phone + interet bill you got maybe 6-8k and im being generous.. Now you have savings, vacation + clothes + pharma. You save maybe 5k a year. Needing to buy a 500k small house it will take decades.

Go look at house prices in the US. They have doubled in 10 years. Lol. You will be just as homeless there too. And you will also need to buy your family health insurance, it averages about $20k+ /year for a family of 4 with full coverage.

US people can't afford homes, either. We have a very low housing supply.

America isn't much better.

Try Ecuador, it seems like an good place according to an American youtuber couple who fled there due to America's rising cost of living.

The US has a massive housing crisis AND an illegal migration crisis. Coming here is no better. Canada is just farther along the same road we're on. Why come here and live through the replay?

I wanna know what they're renting in the first place to cost that much!

At the place I’m at now, if you go month to month after your lease is up, it goes to over $6,000 to rent a place per month. So I wouldn’t doubt it, honestly, nothing surprises me anymore.

wait till pp get in he wants to privatize healthcare old age will be 67 cut programs

@@momtur4875 we need to cut programs and privatize more, as this government is incompetent with money, and all governments pay too much for the same products private companies get.

Much longer.

@nik and we all know private healthcare is a bastion of affordability. Just don't look at our neighbours to the south 🤡

It was the pandemic.

That is so sweet of you! They are lucky to have someone like you in their life! ❤

I understand your sentiment, many of my friends have recently left Canada due to lower wages, lack of job opportunities and the high cost of living

I just turned 31 and I make 158k base + STI/LTIs and while I make enough to have all my essential needs met, I can't justify many luxuries in life or feel like I can buy a forever home. If I were to move to the Texas, I'd be making at least 30% more with lower COL and lower barriers to a dream home... If it weren't for family proximity and my partner not wanting to live in the US, I would have long left this barren country.

Yep exactly. I am considering moving to the US now too. I feel like its a really dumb decision to stay in Canada anymore. I am over it.

I'm curious how you believe you "have no access to health care" in Canada? Also, you do realize this is happening all over the world right? Cost of living has increased everywhere, salaries aren't what they were 20 years ago, housing costs up. It's not just Canada, try watching news from other countries.

@@sunflash101 Then move there. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

As someone who was at home until 30, I didn't pay any bills apart from anything I did myself, but I did cook a lot, mostly because I consider myself the better cook.

My son is 30 yo. We share all the expenses. We live a simple life to make life easier to both of us.

As someone who still lives at home at almost 31, my two siblings, too, also adults, I pay $500 for rent, $45 for phone bill, $66 for the year for Netflix/Nintendo (we all share it), and any groceries that are only mine, etc. My siblings pay the same (sis only pays $200/mo 'cause she works for the military and is basically never home). Parents don't let us pay for anything else, though we do offer (and SOMETIMES, they let us, lol)! It can work!

correct the fukin 30s wasnt that long ago....

They did it for love and tradition, not because of employed poverty.

We can call it the modern day Co-op. Or the modern day Commune done family style. Pooling resources in order to get ahead. This may need to be the new normal. Either that or move to Europe or the U.S. ya’ll cause Canada is determined to make the Middle Class poor. And politicians want to turn their lazy blind eyes instead of stop this “raping” of the economy by the Housing Market and Landlords. We will be looking at a Depression sooner than we think.

We should go back to that. Its healthy to have your family around to help you.

@@FitChickGlows Not sure I'd look to the us. The rent on a studio apartment here was 1200$ when I was looking a few months ago, (That doesn't include utilities.) Average monthly income for my state is around 1800$.

I find that he tries way too hard to appear hip and cool. It's embarrassing.

You were wise. My kids , 24 and 29 lived at home until last year, I loved it. We have a good relationship with them. They didn't pay us, they saved their money. They moved out, one of them bought a small house with her friend and the other one is living with a friend. I feel fortunate to have wonderfull caring children.

Price controls? lol... you have no idea how the real world works. The root cause of all of this is feminism.

Yes, controls would be great; like no more pre-made coffee to purchase & more than 1 cup of coffee/day, (made at home or work), no more restaurants/takeaways/eating out, (everyone must cook for themselves), no more personal vehicles, (only public transit & bicycles), no more Amazon/online purchases, no more than 1 streaming service,/household, no more than one cell phone/family, (back to landlines), no more than 1 computer/laptop/family unit, (even if unit is divorced/separated), no more gel nails, caterpillar eyelashes/brows, highlights/lowlights, other salon/spa services, no more 5 bedroom/4 bath homes, (because people could share), etc. Yes, there is greed but it may not be where you think the greed is. What if you are the one that is greedy by insisting you need all these wasteful/useless things that don't give you a better life at all? What if the greed lies within?

I agree!​@@AellaMaud

Yes. I think this is why we see so much theft in stores today. People are running on desperate times. Definitely time for price controls.

This world we live in is weird/crazy/all wrong - not your fault! Please trust me.

You did.

@@LucasOliveira-fl7tt It is 100% his fault.

@@bobgreenwald1338 No, he's not lol. Successful people don't need $40 to get to work LMAO.

You did not fail. I’m sure you are already doing things for your mother that don’t require money to help her in return. You are blessed to have each other. Here in the United States and in most other countries prices on everything have sky rocketed. This is a financially difficult time.

My policy is to never rely on anyone but myself, people only use you if you even attempt to help them.

facts!!! the country is awesome and beautiful. the cities are awful. also… mexxxxicooo!

Both of you can work 2 full time jobs Millions of people are doing that Instead of using other people’s money to take care of you

@@MusicLover-ui9sm we both have been doing full time jobs for very many years now since before getting married, supposedly decent pay too. But still not enough in today’s economy.

@@MusicLover-ui9smgo away

We are somewhat spared from the economic dystopia that is widespread. . I know it could be far worse. Navigating all the bureaucracy is draining. I get it If an opportunity shows up, chase it. What else can you do Give your head a shake, Canada is large vacant mass of real estate. Go north drill for natural gas and oil in Alberta, buy property and keep going. Lots of work

My neighbours kids, from Montreal, onto Maritimes (mom's from Hlx) back here is one, other moved to states but now in London, Ont. They should know how difficult things were in the past, my kids still here, I tell them if they move they'll trade one set of problems for another. Too much gun violence in the states, that and yummy junk food!

@oel8093 I apologize for putting "Far worse", (fixed it)I should not generalize to that degree as each person has their own situation. Its just rough and frustrating everywhere and I hope your neighbors kids find a good situation.

Awesome!

If you grow your own food it is even cheaper.

My brother and I live independently from our parents. And I even help them pay mortgage. It’s not that hard

@@joeisawesome540well good for you.

What do you make of that? 😅

Well, time to get active in your democracy. Use your voice, many others are suffering too.

I got the boot at 17, come from a military family where hard knocks.... Paid my student loan off in 9 yrs, now married and haven't worked in 28 yrs, no way my kids going to daycare now stand on theur own 2 feet pretty good, me too!

It never hurts to struggle a tad, this generation does have a sense of entitlement for sure, they had it all then oops life's not so easy anymore, nope 🙅🏻, they'd of not been surprised had they tuned in a little more, it's everyone's job to be up to speed, some people are more priviledged but they rarely make for better persons! 😊

And people living beyond their means trying to live the lifestyle their wages cannot support.

@@shauncameron8390not necessarily

Right!

Off the back of your parents? Self respect and self worth comes to mind.

Survival of the fittest, brings out the best in us and I'm sure helping out the kids helps them put up with us, I'm very grateful when we're able to help them!

@@joseenoel8093 like you never need a hand in life, you're so full of bs lol

@@brumbyfreedom329 ok tough guy lol

Engage in your democracy. Unless you want us all to fighting for smaller and smaller pile of scraps.

Why is this ignored by the media?

Because their suppliers are increasing prices also. The supply chain was broken

Yes plz

it’s not just about having roommates now it’s about how high the cost-of-living on everything is and how low wage is. back when you were young milk wasn’t five dollars for 4 L. Gas wasn’t over $1.50 a liter. The basics were way cheaper than they are today. I have friends that rent with roommates and have multiple full-time jobs and still have a difficult time.

@@Viewpoint11Im sorry to say this, but it sounds like our middle class is being reduced to virtual poverty. This is not acceptable, why is CBC blocking comments on housing related videos which is the driver of all these issues including increased crime, hunger, and homelessness? You and your friends need to get active, get involved in our democracy, many across the country are suffering in silence. Imagine how things could change if more people were actively engaged in our democracy whether through unions, or community groups, etc to protect their basic standard of living?

A room with roommates only a few years ago used to be $500-$600. Now a room with roommates can be over $1000 depending on what city you are in. This is happening when wages have remained the same.

I'm sure in the past there was a little too much free thinking going on.... I feel sorry for people needing to make an incredible salary (aka ripping the rest of us off) to feel happy!

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bro… 1975 tho. not the same today. I also moved out at 19 but what i did was move into a minivan, worked two jobs and stacked an emergency fund. Then i started a rly high paying manual job. With the strategy i was successful. I also traded going out drinking with starting side hussles that brought in 500-1000 a month. not much but it helped. but if youre not willing to be scared and take risks you wont make it🎉

Even today swedes move out early, if you were born in Portugal you would probably need financial aid living alone, a lot of people your age here only have houses because parents gave them land, old ´sheds´ or they migrated to france,germany,uk,luxembourg,switzerland ect

"The highschools need to step up with providing financial literacy and budgeting skills to teenagers" That isnt going to do anything. If your average teen isnt even paying attention to basic math, why are they going to all of a sudden become savvy on something that REQUIRES basic math?

Go read a book.

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They are trolling you.

I mean, you answered your own question, really.. not saying I agree with their policy, but it's a government run news agency. How else would you expect them to behave?

@@coyoteblue4027 It's not a government run news agency.

they do not want anyone exposed to views they cannot control.

They only allow comments when they're doing honest reports. They turn them off when liberals hand them propaganda to read so nobody can call out the lies.

Everyone else should be able to find a job that allows them to be independent - that is where the problem is. Minimum wage is not enough for today's high cost of living. It was much easier when I was young in the 70s.

@@path1598it used to be people would get roommates instead of demanding their own place, and would develop a career that they can support themself with before getting prego...and would be married when they had a kid.

Yes I do.

And “in my day I worked 3 full time jobs, and walked 8 miles up hill in the snow 7 days a week.” Get outta here with your nonsense. No ones wants to hear it. 😂

University is a scam meant to make women unhappy and poor.

its your responsibility to be there for them FOREVER. You brought them in this world.

It isn't, the kids are all bone idle.

suuuure you did lol

I didn't say I had it all figured out yet and I don't think anyone ever really does 😅 Life isn't always easy but tackling the challenges as they come can be hella rewarding. My current one is teaching myself how to replace glass filled window panes and hoping my 18 year old has enough sense to not drive my car into the ditch.

Cute parents

Meh, They always acted with the best intentions and we all knew it was time for me to live more independently, I just needed a little bit of a kick to seal the deal.

LOL single mother alert.

oh look you fixed it! No one had thought of that

Well here’s the answer folks! We should all be good now!

Ok Boomer, I'll remember that when you get in your retirement home

Kudos to him and I’m 40 and almost a middle aged man living at home with my 60 and 70 year old parents

Justin Trudeau.

How long ago did you buy your condo?