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Part One: Robert E. Lee: A Lifetime of Failure | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert sits down with Jason Petty aka Prop to begin the epic story of Robert E. Lee, prominent furry, slave owner and Confederate General.
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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@RaptieFeathers
@RaptieFeathers 3 месяца назад
Speaking on behalf of the furry community, we disavow Robert E. Lee, and firmly condemn his actions.
@Ezekiel_Allium
@Ezekiel_Allium 3 месяца назад
This is a very fun comment to see before knowing the context
@casanovafunkenstein5090
@casanovafunkenstein5090 3 месяца назад
Furr E. Lee?
@TreyaTheKobold
@TreyaTheKobold 3 месяца назад
With exception to Jay Naylor. Look, he's just like that, okay?
@erikrungemadsen2081
@erikrungemadsen2081 3 месяца назад
Now i can’t unimagine the rebel yell as a bunch of confederate furries screaming “Uwu” while charging union lines. You broke something in me.
@RaptieFeathers
@RaptieFeathers 3 месяца назад
@@TreyaTheKobold What's funny is that I've met the guy, and... Yeah. He's chill to hang out around, at least. Just don't bring up politics, haha
@nicolasbroaddus8819
@nicolasbroaddus8819 3 месяца назад
Feels good to hear another burned out anarchistic Texan break down the lies of the Lost Cause and General Lee
@MultiTrollface999
@MultiTrollface999 3 месяца назад
who's the other(s)?
@HyenaDandy
@HyenaDandy 3 месяца назад
@@MultiTrollface999 I assume that Nicolas here is also a burnt-out texan.
@Rocker42070
@Rocker42070 3 месяца назад
I’m a burned out Mississippi historian and communist so I get it.
@MultiTrollface999
@MultiTrollface999 3 месяца назад
@@HyenaDandy yeah that's entirely my fault for not catching, lol. I think I replied just after 2 exams
@burnedbread4691
@burnedbread4691 3 месяца назад
JT from Second Thought?
@nope2603
@nope2603 3 месяца назад
In my early 20s, I started to consider that maybe my parents weren't too smart when they tried explaining that Lee was actually patriotic *and* opposed slavery. So anyways, I'm stoked for these.
@geordiejones5618
@geordiejones5618 3 месяца назад
It's always sad when you hear kids talk about losing touch with their parents, but many adults huff the copium.
@toml1105
@toml1105 3 месяца назад
Richard Henry Lee and Robert E. Lee’s father, Henry Lee III, are two different people. They were first cousins. Richard Henry Lee issued the Lee Resolution and signed the Declaration of Independence and Henry Lee was Light Horse Harry.
@dziban303
@dziban303 2 месяца назад
I bailed on this episode when they conflated the two. Disappointing
@MichaelStichauf
@MichaelStichauf 2 месяца назад
@@dziban303 Yes, I bailed, as well. When I ran across this podcast a few days ago (it was in my recommendations because of all my history subscriptions) I thought I would check it out, especially when I saw that they just uploaded the last of 4 podcasts on Lee. I like binging something like this. I put all 4 in order and started listening about 45 minutes ago. But, when I heard them combine Lee's old man with his grandfather, that was it for me. I'm not trying to trash these guys especially because they are tearing the South's and MAGA world's god to pieces, as well they should! MAGA and all of the bigots in the South want you to believe that slavery was a positive for the slaves. REALLY?!? I just have a hard time listening to something like this when all they had to do was double check their info before doing these episodes. For half-hearted history listeners who want short form info, this is okay for them because the overarching theme of the 4 episodes is that Lee was a bum and should have been hung along with quite a few others! If we'd have done that after we torched and crushed the confederacy, we wouldn't be in the situation that we are in today with this scumbag Trump running AGAIN in order to create a dictatorship for himself!
@Advent3546
@Advent3546 3 месяца назад
You know it's gonna be a good couple of episodes when they get Prop in
@fredericksmith7942
@fredericksmith7942 3 месяца назад
Yeah, he’s fuckjng great.
@almightytallestred
@almightytallestred 3 месяца назад
Agreed!
@jamesphelps1958
@jamesphelps1958 3 месяца назад
Hes my absolute least favorite. I just think he’s so little value add and drags down conversation because his base level of knowledge is so low. Why do you like him? I just need to understand. I must be missing something
@StellarBoBellar
@StellarBoBellar 3 месяца назад
​@@fredericksmith7942this is a podcast. Personalities are important to it and his is great. If you want a dry list of facts, just read a book or something.
@Tsmithleather
@Tsmithleather 3 месяца назад
​@@jamesphelps1958yeah, you're missing something...
@seancain2216
@seancain2216 3 месяца назад
Prop is, literally, the best person we could ever have for this episode. Man has me in tears! Thanks, Prop.
@Brian_Boru
@Brian_Boru 3 месяца назад
So glad it's not figuratively!
@jamesphelps1958
@jamesphelps1958 3 месяца назад
I’m so confused. I really don’t like him. Why do you prefer him over the other guests? I miss Billy Wayne and the knowledge fight guys so much
@shadeitplease7383
@shadeitplease7383 3 месяца назад
@@jamesphelps1958I dislike him too. In the past my opinion of him on the episodes has been he just repeats what Robert said in a slightly different way then says “you knowwhatimnsayinnn”. Doesn’t really add much to the discussion. Maybe this series will be different lol
@dziban303
@dziban303 2 месяца назад
I don't like him either, his interludes are just a bunch of inane hypotheticals. Yes Prop, we understand the concept of "keeping up appearances," we don't need your clumsy explanation for 5th graders
@vector712
@vector712 3 месяца назад
I always found it hilarious when they rag on their sponsors because when I used to listen to this on Spotify a majority of the ads were Robert Evans promoting other podcasts.
@trioptimum9027
@trioptimum9027 3 месяца назад
I mean, look: Robert Evans is not a money-laundering scheme for the Sinaloa cartel. No respectable cartel would trust him with their money, he'd spend it on machetes and Bearcats.
@RamenKitsune
@RamenKitsune 3 месяца назад
As someone who was taught the most "state rights" version of american history back in school, this is gonna be a great listen.
@BaronVonQuiply
@BaronVonQuiply 3 месяца назад
My condolences, I run into people every now and then who try to defend that and I imagine it's not fun to discover that the "obvious truth" you've been told since childhood is a literal joke.
@HarryDirtay
@HarryDirtay 3 месяца назад
Man, I had a teacher in Massachusetts in HS that was from the south and was a big lost cause guy. The textbooks we used had the confederate constitution printed in it so his rhetoric was directly opposed to the text we were reading. When confronted he basically did the "Nope, nope, nope, nope" thing. It was incredibly funny
@woahblackbetty7691
@woahblackbetty7691 3 месяца назад
Thats the truth of it. Slavery was never economically viable anyway
@Southboundpachyderm
@Southboundpachyderm 3 месяца назад
I’m so fucking excited for a 4 part series with prop.
@dudewhoa14
@dudewhoa14 3 месяца назад
I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate how dope the moniker “Lite Horse Harry” is. That’s a freaking nickname baby
@trioptimum9027
@trioptimum9027 3 месяца назад
Sometimes shitty people have incredible nicknames. Lord Kitchener of Khartoum was sometimes known as "K of Chaos." Hell, "Stonewall" is a pretty sweet nickname too.
@tora0neko
@tora0neko 3 месяца назад
Prop episodes are the best. on par with the more news crew episodes
@danpatrones6360
@danpatrones6360 3 месяца назад
Within the first 16 minutes you correctly identify Lee and Cromwell as among the worst people to have ever lived? Fucking nailed it! Well done, great podcast.
@LavenderGooms
@LavenderGooms 2 месяца назад
A rare uplifting historical fact that makes me smile every time I think about it is everything that happened to Arlington House. Siezing it from him, buying it for half a million in today's dollars, and burying the dead of the war he was waging right in his front lawn. I just love it. The fact that he loved that house too makes it even better. E: Just listened to part 2! I stand corrected, crazy how widespread myths about him are. Still happy that the US bought it for peanuts.
@FTZPLTC
@FTZPLTC 3 месяца назад
Glad to see some acknowledgement that the whole "pilgrim fathers fleeing religious persecution" thing in America's origin story can also be read as "even Europe was entirely done with their shit". Not saying we were some bastion of tolerance in the 17th century, but to be persecuted as a *Christian* back then would take some doing. Also nice that you touched upon the weird way that aristocrats distinguish being given money by their rich friends from charity. Another way they do it (and still do it) is employing each other in what Terry Pratchett called "silly jobs for big wages".
@TelenTerror
@TelenTerror 3 месяца назад
I've heard it called 'wingnut welfare' for the ultra-conservative circles. If you're crazy enough, you can get paid to be a columnist or a talking head for SOME right-wing media organization
@aickavon
@aickavon 3 месяца назад
If I recall correctly, I believe the pilgrims originally went to the Netherlands… But the netherlands were too woke for them and they left.
@FTZPLTC
@FTZPLTC 3 месяца назад
@@aickavon - I work with Dutch stuff pretty much every day but for some reason I still read that as "neanderthals". And yeah, the "persecution" was pretty much because they wanted to persecute other people. Classic paradox of tolerance stuff.
@johonsberger
@johonsberger 3 месяца назад
My anabaptist ancestors came to NA because THEY were being persecuted by both the Protestants and Catholics. But that's never who they mean, is it.
@dylanrodrigues
@dylanrodrigues 3 месяца назад
Unfortunately, Protestants, Catholics and the Orthodox had no problem persecuting their fellow Christians, so these freaks weren’t special. It’s still funny how they managed to annoy all of their fellow Europeans though.
@r.w.bottorff7735
@r.w.bottorff7735 3 месяца назад
This is exactly the kind of historical person I had hoped you would cover soon, thank you! Props to Prop and Sofie too, of course.
@ProfessorChaos56
@ProfessorChaos56 3 месяца назад
I would have expected them to do Jefferson Davis first, but this works to.
@EvilGenius007
@EvilGenius007 3 месяца назад
So I loved Goldeneye but I had more exposure to pop culture than to video games as a kid that age. I thought the big head "DK Mode" was short for Don King... Finally somebody broke it to me that it was supposed to be Donkey Kong.
@three-eyed_magpie
@three-eyed_magpie 3 месяца назад
15:32 There will be an Oliver Cromwell episode? Can't wait!
@TheDarthbinky
@TheDarthbinky 3 месяца назад
The thing that gets me about talking about Civil War generals as being good or bad is... well... they were *all* pretty bad. It's just that some were worse than others.
@jerrylee7898
@jerrylee7898 3 месяца назад
I am supposedly a descendant of Robert E. Lee, thanks for doing such a great job.
@defies4626
@defies4626 3 месяца назад
And here we go. From what I hear, Robert is gonna be off the chain with these few episodes
@endeckerBM
@endeckerBM 3 месяца назад
"Leesylvania" isn't such a strange name. It simply means something like "Lee's Woods", just like Pennsylvania means "Penn's Woods". There are lots of place names in the U.S. that are a combination of a surname and a location, so "Leesylvania" isn't really all that remarkable a name for a place to be given.
@sampagano205
@sampagano205 2 месяца назад
It's not strange, it's just bad.
@PerfectAgent
@PerfectAgent 9 дней назад
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was like, "It's gonna be wild when they figure out where Pennsylvania comes from."
@veniaminkhil8651
@veniaminkhil8651 7 дней назад
I got married in Leesylvania, it's a state park nowadays. Really nice view of the Potomac.
@shadeitplease7383
@shadeitplease7383 3 месяца назад
Should turn the RU-vid version of the show in to a podcast with slides like WTYP to drive traffic lol.
@Asylumrunner8
@Asylumrunner8 3 месяца назад
PROP! Hell yeah
@JerichotheSplendid
@JerichotheSplendid 3 месяца назад
Ah the intro made me sad. RIP Carl. You get your stew.
@SavageGreywolf
@SavageGreywolf 3 месяца назад
He finally has his hand back
@roneasleyjr.1831
@roneasleyjr.1831 3 месяца назад
Man, I appreciate the shout-out to Dale Earnhardt!!! Forever my hero!!! #DaleYeah
@BongRippingRiffLover51
@BongRippingRiffLover51 3 месяца назад
RAISE HELL PRAISE DALE, BROTHER!!!
@Hubris21
@Hubris21 2 месяца назад
I think this was the first time I've seen RU-vid put an ad on your video. Congrats.
@Dr.Thirteen-bb1ub
@Dr.Thirteen-bb1ub 3 месяца назад
I was a Civil War buff for awhile until I grew out of it. I credit the movie Gods and Generals for that. What a steaming pile of apologist garbage that is.
@TwoWholeWorms
@TwoWholeWorms 3 месяца назад
When someone has E as a middle initial, but their surname is also a first name, I can't help but hear it as an adjective describing the other name. "Do you know Grant?" "Which one?" "Richardy Grant."
@suzbone
@suzbone 2 месяца назад
Robert E Lee is just more _Roberty_ than the other Lees.
@VooshSpokesman
@VooshSpokesman 3 месяца назад
Love from a DoobusGoobus and Vaush fan! "State rights to do WHAT?!"
@kingofsting19
@kingofsting19 3 месяца назад
I grew up with a black first grade teacher and a black next door neighbor in Indiana, and my first indicator that racism was a present tense thing and not a tense one was realizing that the Confederate flag *wasn't* ours. Because there was no other explanation for "why does everyone fly that and never the Union one?"
@samcyphers2902
@samcyphers2902 3 месяца назад
Is America the only country that puts up monuments to people who LOST their wars? Also, don't forget how much Carl Weathers liked to make a good stew. And he taught Tobias everything he knows about acting.
@BongRippingRiffLover51
@BongRippingRiffLover51 3 месяца назад
Pigeons and crows gotta shit somewhere!
@samcyphers2902
@samcyphers2902 3 месяца назад
@@BongRippingRiffLover51 They can poo on Donald Trump's hair. Probably nest there, too.
@sampagano205
@sampagano205 3 месяца назад
I did not realize the lee family backstory included a Crimson Peaks interlude where theyre dirt poor and taking advantage of the family wives.
@jessaminehaak8253
@jessaminehaak8253 3 месяца назад
Prop is always such a fantastic guest! Loved this episode and I'm looking forward to the rest of the series on Lee, you guys were hilarious today!
@cinemaocd1752
@cinemaocd1752 3 месяца назад
In a million years I would not have guessed that the most unhinged song in the very unhinged musical 1776 is historically ACCURATE. OMG. I didn't realize he was an ancestor of the Civil War Lee, but I shoulda realized. Also the actor that plays Lee in 1776 is a human muppet and kind of steals the whole movie...Also kinda blown away at the fact that White Christmas was historically accurate as well.
@matthewryan9323
@matthewryan9323 3 месяца назад
Richard Henry Lee (in 1776) was a cousin of Robert E. Lee's father, so not quite an ancestor. "Light Horse Harry" Lee, was Henry Lee III. Mr. Evans' conflation of the two is unfortunate.
@XaurianQueen
@XaurianQueen 3 месяца назад
No wonder my dad wanted us to join the air force. We came from three generations of officers, we might've done ok if we werent all depressed and suffering from c-ptsd. We saw what the military helped do to him and grandpa XD
@josephguldi4602
@josephguldi4602 3 месяца назад
Dale Earnhardt as an archon of masculinity really works when you consider he died partly because he refused to adopt a safety mechanism. No shade on Dale, don't know enough about him as a man, but just a nice little bit of bitter irony
@sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957
@sophia-helenemeesdetricht1957 3 месяца назад
Yeah, it's not lost on me, and I don't think it should be lost on anyone here, that Lee's extremely wealthy, exceptionally white aristocratic dad is precisely who racists are actually complaining about when they blame poverty and other... *sharp inhale* _characteristics common to impoverished urban communities, considered unseemly to the racist white milieu?_ on absentee fathers. (I'm sorry, Reagan-era racism was so blatant and unrepentant that to talk frankly about it is to risk saying something out of pocket by way of description, but it's also so blatant that being delicate about it is very difficult)
@portmantologist
@portmantologist 3 месяца назад
To be fair, Leesylvania isn't any dumber than Pennsylvania. It's Lee's Forest versus Penn's Forest. We're just so used to hearing Pennsylvania that we don't think about how dumb it is.
@sampagano205
@sampagano205 3 месяца назад
Pennsylvania has a lot better ring to it.
@manyeyedcrow9391
@manyeyedcrow9391 3 месяца назад
As a native Californian, it feels like the lost cause was pretty much injected into the veins of anyone of a certain age, regardless of where they come from.
@dziban303
@dziban303 2 месяца назад
I like Robert's writing, voice, and reading style way more than i like basically any of the guests
@pjbrown4736
@pjbrown4736 3 месяца назад
I remember booting up Leesylvania on the NES.
@dancingpotplant
@dancingpotplant Месяц назад
The Lees aside, this is a fascinating insight into life in to the recent history American South from where I'm sitting in the UK.
@TheNotoriousBTG
@TheNotoriousBTG 3 месяца назад
17:40 Fun fact, but Knott's Berry Farm's Independence Hall was used in the movie 1776.
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 3 месяца назад
Happy gilmore and little nicjky are my 2 favourite sandler movies.
@snorpenbass4196
@snorpenbass4196 3 месяца назад
Somewhere, Mick Hucknall is going "Why do I feel like someone is talking about me?"
@baronvonkrogglesteiniii5310
@baronvonkrogglesteiniii5310 3 месяца назад
Ever meet someone for the first time and you instantly know they're way smarter than they let on? 20 minutes ago I had no idea who Prop is, but he keeps dropping down to earth off the cuff contexualizations and now I respect him more than I respect myself.
@VioletSadi
@VioletSadi 3 месяца назад
@38:27 "you simply had to give the man credit" DO NOT DO THAT. HE WILL CHEAT YOU.
@BlindErephon
@BlindErephon 3 месяца назад
Hell yeah, we draggin one of the the WROATs! (Worst Roberts Of All Time)
@BaraScrae
@BaraScrae 3 месяца назад
On the note about corporate loans, can confirm: I work for a satellite launch company, and they just announced a huge stock sale to raise the money to pay off old debt so current income can support new contracts. I can feel the company dying around me.
@chimsuaumo
@chimsuaumo Месяц назад
Was not expecting Mick Hucknall to be mentioned at the beginning. A great singer with an odd Twitter account.
@VeronicaHSong
@VeronicaHSong 3 месяца назад
My favourite part so far is the "not a pedo award", feels special and exciting!!
@amymarie1298
@amymarie1298 3 месяца назад
I immediately started laughing when I read the title of this episode. happy listening!
@shaurmiath6719
@shaurmiath6719 Месяц назад
As a fellow Northwesterner who was unfortunate enough to grow up in Texas, I was raised and educated on the whole "states' rights" BS, and even as a child, I would always think "The States' right to do what? What rights did the evil federal government try to take away from them?" My Dad didn't like it when I asked that.
@theelephantintheroom8016
@theelephantintheroom8016 11 дней назад
In the first census in the year 1800 America's population was around 5 million people with almost 900,000 being slaves. 1 in 5 Americans in the year 1800 was a slave. In 1807 it became prohibited to import slaves. At the beginning of the Civil War the United States population was 31,443,320 and around 4 million were slaves.
@jakegarvin7634
@jakegarvin7634 2 месяца назад
17:16 Jesus, even Penn didn't want Pennsylvania
@sonder420
@sonder420 3 месяца назад
Not a bastard John brown.
@alden1132
@alden1132 3 месяца назад
"Baby, you've got a stew going!"
@williamredmond8128
@williamredmond8128 3 месяца назад
Lt. Lee!!!!
@witecatj6007
@witecatj6007 3 месяца назад
If Lee was such a good general, whyndid he lose?
@williamchamberlain2263
@williamchamberlain2263 3 месяца назад
Largely karma for being a POS slaver, but also strategic logistics, and probably fatigue right at the point of Gettysburg
@the_exegete
@the_exegete 3 месяца назад
Because his suthron honor wouldn't allow him to take the winning play, which was to stay in Virginia and fortify until the north got tired of sending armies there. Instead he bet it all on invading the north, something there was never any real reason to think was achievable.
@TelenTerror
@TelenTerror 3 месяца назад
He knew how to win battles, but didn't know how to win them without getting troops killed when he was already outnumbered. He lost on strategy and demographics.
@HarryDirtay
@HarryDirtay 3 месяца назад
The south was largely agrarian, the North was larvely industrialized. The south never stood a chance in the long run. The civil war was a fool's errand.
@EzraFieldsofStrawberry
@EzraFieldsofStrawberry Месяц назад
​@@HarryDirtay Not true. The South did have a chance to "win". If public opinion of the war in the North was sufficient-Lee negative, then the South might have won (successfully seceeded). They were never going to invade or hold the north, nor was that the objective.
@christopherjustice6411
@christopherjustice6411 3 месяца назад
I approve.
@emmadillon5694
@emmadillon5694 3 месяца назад
i live in virginia, so i'm pretty sure the nearest guy selling steaks out of the van is actually named Bobby Lee
@scarylion1roar
@scarylion1roar 3 месяца назад
my new defense will be "It's my heritage, not larceny, Your Honor."
@wcs792
@wcs792 3 месяца назад
Don't apologize to Robert E Lee, sir. I don't care if you're 100x worse than him, but don't apologize to him.
@EmmaBonn96
@EmmaBonn96 День назад
26:05 I thought Robert E. Lee’s daddy was the 18th president of the United States
@trioptimum9027
@trioptimum9027 3 месяца назад
15:40 Look, as an anarchist obviously I stan a Leveller, but if Cromwell hadn't won, the other basic option is "Charles I wins," and that might be worse. (Sure, something else *could* have happened, but it'd take quite a lot of lifting to explain how, y'know?)
@Revolver1701
@Revolver1701 3 месяца назад
I hope you weigh in on the whole Robert Duval vs Martin Sheen Robert E. Lee portrayal.
@edsimons628
@edsimons628 3 месяца назад
Will you be covering RE Lee's older half-brother "Black-Horse Harry" Lee? He made their father look good in comparison.
@sippinthefnordies
@sippinthefnordies 3 месяца назад
Anyone else got Tenacious D stuck in their headnow? Lee laLee laLee laLee laLee Leeeee, muthafuqin LEEeeee.
@HyenaDandy
@HyenaDandy 3 месяца назад
Oh (he's) FFV, the first family, in the first colony in America.
@ChewyThomson
@ChewyThomson 3 месяца назад
What a title
@nathanbreen1495
@nathanbreen1495 3 месяца назад
I'm tryin real hard to remember a Carl Weathers performance that was even just medium and I can't do it.....Little Nicky cause he was barely in it maybe?
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 3 месяца назад
Yes little nicky is pretty fun in a good way. And god is that movire stacked, and best terentino cameo
@the_exegete
@the_exegete 3 месяца назад
He's pretty forgettable in Eight Crazy Nights, but that was clearly a bit role where Adam Sandler tossed him a quick payday. Not holding that against him.
@direktive4
@direktive4 3 месяца назад
like an NBA Jam code
@Chaosqueenngami
@Chaosqueenngami 3 месяца назад
42:02 That’s the only way to do it as far as I’m concerned.
@Brian_Boru
@Brian_Boru 3 месяца назад
Because Houston sounds like Jackson.
@3picHamster
@3picHamster 3 месяца назад
wait, he is decended from british nobility, and his house is called "Lee"? Is that the same Lee as in sir Christopher Lee?
@llabreell
@llabreell 3 месяца назад
Wtf??? I was just in the middle of listening to "we can't put this guys name in the title..." and it all of a sudden stopped.. then when I tried to hit play again, it gives me a message saying it's private.. SERIOUSLY?! WTF?
@nicolasnamed
@nicolasnamed 3 месяца назад
Oh shit dude, it IS gone! Just to clarify that video was about the guy who definitely didn't self end right?
@llabreell
@llabreell 3 месяца назад
@nicolasnamed idk what happened to him? I was only about halfway thru part 1..
@rjdruhan
@rjdruhan 3 месяца назад
Episcopalian is the American offshoot of the Church of England. They likely would have hated Catholics vehemently
@rothloaf1980
@rothloaf1980 3 месяца назад
Yesterday when I heard this pod, when Robert said "Dick E Lee" I heard it as *dickily.* Ex: "He acted so dickily."
@raymarshall4809
@raymarshall4809 3 месяца назад
Tim Scott for any White person in da chat.
@jellyfishjones4741
@jellyfishjones4741 3 месяца назад
Who Was Harriet Tubman? has the most absurd cover. Has huge headed Harriet leading a bunch of people with normal sized heads.
@jencamille9687
@jencamille9687 3 месяца назад
you are factually wrong at 26:01 - R.E. Lee's father is Henry "Light Horse" Lee III NOT Richard Henry Lee. While they are some what distant cousins, Lee's father Light Horse is famous for a successful career under General G. Washington in the Rev War, giving Washington's eulogy, becoming a governor of Virginia, marrying first a fabulously wealthy niece of Richard Henry Lee, Matilda Lee of Strafford and second marrying Anne Hill Carter the g-granddaughter of the wealthiest Virginian of the age Robert "King" Carter, and finally ending his life as a debtor who abandons his family. Richard Henry Lee is of the Strafford Lees, he and his brother Frances signed the Declaration of Independence as he infamously called for colonial independence which promoted the Declaration being written. The distinction is important if using psychology and family relationships/history, like Dr. Guelzo who you cite, as the reasons behind Lee's life and decisions. Liking the podcast so far and agree/support many of the Guelzoian theories you are using but essential factual mistakes detract from the validity of your argument since the heart of your argument is based on how much these men are key to understanding Lee and whether he committed "treason". Great otherwise, looking forward to listening more ~
@davidrobertson4332
@davidrobertson4332 3 месяца назад
Granny Lee
@wesshiflet2214
@wesshiflet2214 3 месяца назад
“Indian weed” = tobacco
@pscwplb
@pscwplb 3 месяца назад
Hell yeah, screw this guy.
@Sadiqi
@Sadiqi 3 месяца назад
They were not "slaves". They were enslaved. My descendants are not identified by their condition in this country.
@IanOPadrick
@IanOPadrick Месяц назад
Robert, you're forgetting James Bowie, you're forgetting the Alamo. You have truly fallen
@willklemm509
@willklemm509 3 месяца назад
Can I nominate Jamie Liddell as a honorary black if we're nominating Simply Red?
@Coffeemancer
@Coffeemancer 3 месяца назад
RED PILL ME ON LAVERNE & SHIRLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@zmcarver
@zmcarver 3 месяца назад
Please don't take this wrong, I am by no means trying to be one of those people defending Lee. However, if you're going to do series on Lee, would you please also do one on that sociopath Sherman who took those save Civil War actions he's revered for and used them against the Native Americans. I feel like he just gets a pass because he was on the Union side.
@theangryholmesian4556
@theangryholmesian4556 3 месяца назад
Yep. What Sherman did to Indigenous folks is wrong. What the South did as a whole to their Indigenous folks is wrong.
@aickavon
@aickavon 3 месяца назад
It’s an interesting perspective and on one hand. The dude was a total psychopath with no chill. Even if his actions helped accelerate the Union victory, you gotta imagine that the will and desire to just burn formerly fellow country man’s homes for MILES and it’s a lot of miles… Not a sane dude… like it is a bit obvious that he’s a bit of a crazy fella who will war crime again. Hooowwweeeever…. Usually most people who attack Sherman are tackling in ‘what about-isms’ which is often a dishonest tactic to throw away the conversation onto one person and now force folks to defend another. So engaging in a topic about Sherman’s past can often lead to just weird optics in general.
@Coffeemancer
@Coffeemancer 3 месяца назад
Good-Person episode about Jason's wife or I unsub
@TheGoodShipBlue
@TheGoodShipBlue 3 месяца назад
Wow 22:30, Prop said civil war era America is pre-industrial. Blatantly false. Really betrayed his ignorance. I'm a pretty good faith listener too and just... wow unbelievable.
@shadeitplease7383
@shadeitplease7383 3 месяца назад
Prop is the most annoying guest they have on this show lol. I’ve turned his episodes off before and I absolutely love Robert and this podcast. Prop never adds much to the discussion, a lot of what he does is just repeat what Robert just said with a slight variation in wording with a “you know what I’m sayinnnnn” on the end. Or factually incorrect stuff. I’m still in the beginning of this episode though so we will see how it goes lol. Sometimes I’ll see an episode that I’ve wanted for a while and then it’ll be Prop as the guest and I lose some interest.
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