Part Two: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs | BEHIND THE BASTARDS 

Woz followed me on twitter after I left a reply of "Wozniak was the gear head. Jobs was just a con man doing a moody guru act" under a Jobs meme that was floating around. I have no respect for the glorified car sales persons of the tech industries. *Entrepreneurs* are humanity's greatest failure. They're killing us all for their pointless *vision.*

Wasn't wearing my glasses, thought it said "The Terrible Scent of Steve Jobs"

Wozniak sounds like Bilbo Baggins at the end of the Hobbit, just all "There's plenty of money for everyone, of course we must share it!"

Wait, so Steve didn’t even come up with the name Apple OR the minimalist logo? One of the films about him straight up has a scene where Steve Wozniak keeps coming up with a bunch of lame faux-Trekkie names and then Steve suggests “apple” in a moment of inspiration and Woz looks at him in awe.

Any story about the early days of Apple could be called either "Steve Jobs, bad person" or "Steve Wozniak, stand up dude"

I think that if there’s any take away from the life of Steve Jobs it’s that his success is an indictment on our society. Our society elevates people like Jobs to the highest levels of wealth and power.

There's an old X-Files episode that I'm just now realising was literally bludgeoning us over the head with how much it was explicitly about how Steve Jobs screwed over Steve Wozniak and how he should die.

I request a Walt Disney video in this vein of bastards who had grand ideas and no clue how things worked, then made a brand that is up there competing for control of the universe.

I used to feel bad for him regarding how he died; now I only wish he could have suffered longer on his way out.

I feel so bad for Woz, because I've been in a similar spot, developing a project with a best friend who I didn't realize was a selfish snake who cared more about their success than my feelings or our friendship. Y'all mentioned in the previous episode that he cried when he learned Steve had been betraying him and ripping him off for years and damn, I feel that. Hope he's gotten better friends since who treat him as he deserves.

My lord. My video got stuck buffering at *"Ya know Saddam Hussein? Now there was a ma-"*

29:15 - The Apple II's CPU was an off-the-shelf part, a 6502 made by a company called MOS Technologies. It had no ability to generate an image by itself. Frankly, the overwhelming majority of Apple II components are off-the-shelf, because Apple at the time didn't have the money or expertise to roll their own. Woz's genius came from arranging those components in ways nobody else had thought of before, ways that minimized cost and maximized flexibility.

"Dongle-pilled" is such an underrated comment 😂

Man this is really Steving my Job

Ok, after all this, if someone says they want to be like Steve or that he is their hero, it should be the biggest red flag.

Rah rah Rasputin, Smelly charismatic man

Woz seems like such a nice guy who only changed for the better after getting cash. The way Jobs treated him is just disgusting. It's literally like kicking a dog, if that dog was also spinning pure golden clothing for you. :|

44:35 As someone with an IUD....how does one 'expel' without you knowing? I just....can't imagine.

Pro-tip: If you're looking to get stock options or more compensation from an employer (especially a start-up) make sure to get it in writing even if its just a email!!! That will legally hold-up in court and this happened to ex in college. Where she was doing free work for a sketchy vitamin start-up on the "idea" of being given stock options. I pressed her and pressed her to get some form of written confirmation on this as I was skeptical. Well she tried to assure me on this, but when she pushed on this they basically admitted that they weren't ever going to give her any shares. She quit that day.

36:11 - The guy running Commodore at the time was Jack Tramiel. He would ultimately be responsible for running both Commodore and Atari into the ground about a decade later. He was every bit the asshole Jobs was, but he had no idea how the computer industry worked, and he refused to learn.

I hesitate to credit Jobs with good instincts on some of these moves. The commadore deal. Is there a universe where jobs sells his company for anything less than becoming filthy rich? He was going to say no unless they were bankrupt AND out of friends to con for investments.

These episodes make me feel justified in my hatred of Apple products. 😂

fake it til someone else makes it

I think he would have called the company Dharma or Nirvana.

Oh man Native body wash is the fountain of youth!! I've already ingested a liter and feel amazing!!! Thanks BtB!! This was one of the top ad pivots, and I can't wait to live forever to see every other ad pivot to come!!

Wait, Woz made Breakout!? Awesome

like, the utter bastardry, the easy betrayals, the pretension, the venal cowardice, all of that, I'm not surprised by. what I'm still amazed by was the fact was that he was a stinky goblin man whose repertoire of emotional manipulation included crying when in conflict with people who he could not intimidate or threaten... like, when confronted by the fact that he was a conman who was exploiting his best friend by the father of said best friend, good tactic was to... cry and make his best friend feel _sorry_ for him. geez

Steve Jobs: the first and only man to utilise the profane art of White Woman Tears™

It's so sad that we've had two biopics of Steve Jobs with Woz as a side character when Woz should have a biopic of his own. Especially if he helped to create it because it would lack the ego and bullshit a Steve Jobs pic has. Hell, a Woz biopic created with his help might be one of the modern day's few movies where "based on a true story" would actually be mostly or completely true.

1. This was fascinating, and also very good for anyone who wants to work on their gag reflex. 2. I'm definitely reading his daughter's book, she sounds like a brave survivor. 3. This could be just me, but I feel like we haven't had one about Elon in a really long time, and I really need to always be reminded of how much I hate the man, for both my personal needs and for making good, knowledge - based arguments when I get into fights with his little fan boys. 4. I hate Ashton Kutcher so much. I believe that even though he's young and still around, he could easily fill a couple of episodes with his repulsiveness, even before supporting his serial r@pist bestie. I mean, a young woman was murdered because of his lies. For your consideration. Great times as always, Veronica

How would I explain it to that kid? "Your dad's a shitty person girl, don't be like him, treat people well". Maybe I shouldn't be allowed to talk to children.

I bet Saddam smelled like an old school head shop, just an enchanting, overpowering scent of patchouli and new t-shirt starch

Jobs even had an early partner that he took credit for his work from the design and name, damn. And he was so chill that he even said, nah wouldnt have been worth it. additional over being a bad friend to a chill dud like woz.

Two Buckaroo Banzai refs in a row!! Great days for 8th dimension fans.

I heard the story that Wozniack was so secular oblivious of religion and liked repeating numbers that he picked 666.66 because 777.77 or something would be slightly to expensive.

The thing that separates Jobs from the other tech entrepreneurs that try to mimic him is that he is capable of introspection and can recognize that he is a bastard.

Literally just finished recapping this for my fiance 😂

I'm a late bloomer, pretty shitty, but at heart not a bastard. That said, I DID try crying as a grown man to completely diffuse something that was my fault as a grown man and it absolutely worked. Once it was over, just stop acting, stop pulling from the totally unrelated emotions, wipe the tears. And i never did it again. I chalked it up to thinking on my feet... not making it a goddamned grift.

Ok I feel waaaaay better about myself. It seems like Jobs had a pretty high level of cognitive empathy but ZERO affective/emotional empathy.

listening to how he treats his daughter makes me want to adopt her, despite her being at least a decade older than me lol.

Coding software by hand and writing all the code on paper is hellish. An ancient professor of mine made a class do this for a whole quarter, and it was some of the most frustrating work I've ever done. Half the class dropped out. Woz had some grit.

EST mantra: "Nothing succeeds like the appearance of authenticity."

There is a 1999 TV movie called ‘Pirates of Silicon Valley’ that tells the story of Apple and Microsoft. It’s surprisingly good for the budget

What a massive piece of garbage Jobs is! A horrible "person". Wozniak did EVERYTHING everything this company would not exist without him. And all you hear about is Jobs, who is basically a fucking con artist. Omg. And the fact that Woz did all of this with his shares to compensate everyone Jobs fucked over. That is a good man. A GENIUS and a good man. By the ending of this it seems like there might be a part 3 coming next? There should be because there's a lot more to this story.

I remember going to a Macworld Expo on the West Coast just around the time that it was announced that Gil Amelio was leaving and Jobs was returning to the helm of Apple. There were these godawful banners with a cultish image of Jobs' face. I suspect that Jobs agreed to Amelio taking over in the first place because he knew what a horrible CEO Amelio would be for Apple. Not that Jobs was any better, of course. But it was the appearance that Jobs would be better by comparison that was important to the narrative.

as someone who has problems showering because health, i was a little bewildered that jobs, despite his very disordered eating style of veganism, was _notably_ a fucking stinkball, just the biggest waft of stinker. being vegan usually really cuts down on body odour and i can't imagine what would be said if he was a heavy meat eater with meat sweats on top. anyway, with the health complications that come with showering (fainting due to blood circulation/vascular opening up and potential drowning as a result) i have a lot of experience with this issue-i'm also vegan which helps a lot. people around me still sit close and give hugs and invite me to their homes so i must do something right. but one thing that isn't mentioned is, steve jobs had like _an outfit_ he wore a lot, a particular dress code he insisted on dressing like. you can pull a lot off by using layers to suppress sweat odour and shit, but you absolutely need to change those (esp base) layers frequently-with clean swaps ofc. think about how many times you can wear a coat between washes but how few you wear a bra, undershirt, underpants, 'linen' type layers. bras may be an exception here (due to cost limitations, and a camisole or other base layer can do a lot of the lifting allowing folks to squeeze out a couple extra wears). i'm autistic as well, so a lot of my mental energy has to prioritise the tedious and slower process of sponge bathing (which is also a painfully _cold_ way to clean oneself...), or making sure to change my clothes frequently and how. i often opt for the latter. clean clothes make a massive difference, a _crucial_ difference. no showering can save someone who immediately jumps right back into the dirty outfit they wore before. so yeah i totally believe steve 'iconic outfit' jobs fucking smelled like horseshit.

By what I’m hearing, it sounds like apples early success and the start of jobs’ fortune happens in spite of him rather because of his genius. Waz made him his first quarter billion.

I'm just listening to this and thinking "A chunk of the population mourned this mans death?"

It's impressive but not too surprising that Steve Jobs is, to my knowledge, the first subject of this show about whom the guest's takeaway is "cancer was too good for him!"

The few people I know that have become filthy rich also didn't share profits and lied about how much money we made as kids . They also aren't able to make real friends . Must be coincidence ;)

The way the Apple 2 implemented color graphics is truly ingenious.

The way he treated the mother of his child and the little one herself... that Time magazine article... this man reset the standard for being a f**king scumbag. That's cruelty to the power of cruelty.

30:05 Digital circuit can be done much more like an app, things work out just like calling functions and setting variables. Analog gets more like adding up math formulas, or if I'd use worse analogy it's like debating and singing. Power circuits are perhaps like piano, if you're a flute player and knew nothing about pianos that's weird, but a lot of highschool debate contest winners are going to be horrible pianists and that's the kind of the divide

I've heard bits and pieces of these stories over the years. I never bought the hype, sometimes cynicism works.

Every time I hear people complain about dongles I'm like... what do you people DO with those laptops...? Why do you need those ports? Especially in 2024. Seriously, I need to know.

So, when are the BtB fragrances coming out?

I think it's giving him too much credit to say that wanting to streamline and reduce modifiability was prescient. That that model works for Apple now is entirely dependant on being an established brand. People have to want Apple because it's Apple before you can sell them all the adapters required to make Apple work.

It's a little crazy how opposite Wozniak is to Jobs.

Pretty sure the Apple 1 was $666.66 because of Woz. He’s a nerd and likes repeating numbers.

37:50 ....So Steve Jobs was a Jerry, basically?

Noah Bushnell? I think that's the guy behind Cosmic Ark and not Atari.

Please please make an episode on Holt on Cool People Doing Cool Things!

I can't believe how upsetting the Steve Jobs episode is even after listening to the goat balls episode.

Apropos of your recently deleted podcasts, it is believed by many that Jobs was involved in EST.

Nolan Bushnell. The dude's name is Nolan Bushnell.

Woz is the fuckin man

One of those cases where it would have been better if dude had never been born. He hijacked history

That shitty first logo would NOT render well on an old monitor, lemme tell you that.

Stinkard. Steve Jobs glommed on to other people and their work.

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WTF happened a 29:46 ?

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I would bet spider hole Saddam did not smell good.

what's with all crying?

alphaville

This is all inevitable manifest of Capitalism. Nothing to see here.

DNA evidence is circumstantial by definition.

bring vaush on.