Passing Judgement (Male Exile) 

I tought the same thing when I first heard that, it also explains why every character recibes the xp that only the party gains, because they are all bonded to the exile

danm talking about breaking the 4rth wall

I still greatly respect the writers of this game for their ability to tie game mechanics into the lore the way they did.

UUF, so he became more proficient, more skilled and overall better trained... WoW, that is totally unreal, how it could happen? 😮😮 I really can't imagine that, is it how it works in real world? That when you travel and overcome obstacles, you became "more skilled/proficient"? 😮😮 For those, who don't get it, it's sarcasm.

@@HanithSVK Oh, how delightful…..

Probably lying to them, or hiding what they suspected.

@@Kainlarsen I think Vrook is something of a corrupting influence among the council. He complains in KotOR I about either Bastila or Revan (perhaps both!) being willful and headstrong, but is himself much more so -- stuck in his own ways and very unwilling to admit fault or acknowledge new truths. It would not surprise me if he had convinced Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell to side with him. In this dialogue he chides the Exile for dominating the will of others, but that may be exactly what he does himself, and he projects that blame elsewhere to shield himself from criticism. The light side version of the Exile doesn't dominate their party's wills, but inspires them, and lends them strength. The darkness that Vrook saw in the Exile may have just been darkness he saw in himself and the Jedi, but was never earnestly willing to face. All of the Jedi masters we meet in KotOR II -- Atris, Kavar, Vrook, and Zez-Kai Ell -- still maintain the beliefs they had during the Mandalorian Wars, and Atris is the only one who will ever come to doubt those beliefs when she is made to face the Exile after her own fall. The Exile learns through Kreia, and through exploring the war-touched worlds; Atris learns through the first-hand experience of falling to the dark side, and realizing it was her dedication to the Jedi that led her there when the Exile forgives her. The rest of the council? They hid away, and pointed the finger of blame at the Exile when she came to ask for help against the Sith threat. In some way, Vrook, Kavar, and Zez-Kai Ell had fallen too. Jedi supposedly do not kill their prisoners, but they were willing to put the Exile to a punishment that they knew, from Malachor V, that scarcely any Jedi could survive -- severance from the Force.

I think Kavar loved a female Surik and thought of breeding with her.

@@jamesmurphy9577 Meetra leeched life, that is true, but Vrook Lamar lied by saying that she was a Dark lady of the Sith.

@@jamesmurphy9577 Yeah! He thought of Meetra Surik as defective and then lied to her (she was a threat to all living things) by telling her the truth (she cut herself off from the force)

Stay tuned. Tomorrow I publish a new Kreia's Conundrums where I discuss this.

@Super Kat technically if the Exile had followed the Code, they would have died. So in cutting themselves off from the force, they defied the Jedi Code.

@Super Kat The Exile defied the council by going to war. The code is a Jedi's guide to understanding the force. By cutting themselves off from the force, the Exile broke that guide. If they had followed it, they wouldnt have feared death. Because there is no death, there is only the force. Kinda like how when Traya rips the force from the jedi at the end, they all choose to die instead of live without it.

@Super Kat The council died from having the force ripped from them. Kreia never wanted them dead, she only wanted them to see that life was possible without the force, which is why she holds the Exile in such high regards. The jedi couldn't accept or handle the weight of no longer feeling the force, so they chose death instead.

@Super Kat Nah, I think it looks like she chokes them because of the limited animations of the game, but the only thing she really does to them is rip the force out.

But she didn't. Kreia was not Sith. She pretended to be, so the Exile could have one last opponent to test herself against, to complete their training. Everything Kreia did was always for the benefit of the Exile and the Galaxy at large.

@@DraculaCronqvist That’s what I always thought.

@@DraculaCronqvist She used it as a Tool rather then as an Allegiance, much like how she uses The Force. She is against The Force but uses it as a Tool to her own goals.

@@egeorgiades93 Correct. She wasn't Sith, she simply took that role for her purposes.

@@DraculaCronqvist I'm confused, she gave herself to the dark side of the force and called herself Darth Traya, she's technically a sith lord but not a real sith correct?

I think what really happened was that Revan sensed the Sith influence on the Mandalorians and rather than wait for the influence to come too far he decided to seek it out by going to war. Malak probably was unaware of this, but when Revan found the true Sith Empire he realized that he had to force the Republic to either evolve, or die out completely and have a new order made to fight back. So he 'Fell' to play as the 'villain' but the Jedi Council for all their talk about seeing the 'true' threat were blinded by their arrogance and self-assured ways not seeing the actual threat until it would've been far too late.

Revan only turned to the Darkside only to prepare the galaxy against the True Sith. He knew the Jedi would be doomed to fall when the True Sith invade the galaxy. That makes more sense of why he turned into a Sith Lord than being a puppet of a Sith Emperor. In order to fight the Darkside, you have to understand it by becoming a Sith yourself.

@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 is it understanding to join the sith, or is it simply falling to it's influence? As much as you gain understanding, your perspective is warped by the influence of the dark side, and of the sith.

The tragedy of the dark side is that many of its practitioners fall to it with good intentions, with the end result of them becoming as evil or worse than the dark siders they fight against. Only those that are pragmatic enough to not let their emotions control them and have the sensibility to have self awareness seem to last the longest. In Revan’s case he was smart enough to know the full dangers of the Star forge and then destroy it when it served its purpose, but his embrace of it blinded him enough that a lot of his efficient and practical methods were still downright evil.

Kreia is probably de best "videogame voice" ever. it is so bealevable, so "true", when she speak its real

@@laurentguyot3362 what?

Hearing Kreia laugh, even if its briefly is very unsettling. Its like its unnatural.

Mirthless chuckle

So true. That one line was Oscar worthy

ahead of its time? This is timeless, it will be a masterpeace forever

Planescape: Torment was way ahead of it's time. The KotOR II is walking on that path, since the some of the Torment's crew worked on this game too.

Reminds me of a line Sidious said to Yoda in the novelization of RotS. "You've spent so long in the light, you've forgotten how deep the shadow is." Or something like that. What a great line.

Yeah, you can hear Kreia's anger/disapointment in that moment.

Von Armen I’ve thought this for a while, been difficult to find as all most videos are female exile

Von Armen I think the female version is the “quiet anger” of Kreia, and the male version is the “loud anger” if you get what I’m saying.

Technically, Obsidian had planned for The Exile to be a Male canonically and if you play the game you'll see aspects of the story-line seem better in quality in a Male play-through, especially regarding Atris.

@@coinkidink9997 what happened

@@subjectnivleis7572 I think to balance out Revan being declared canon male they made Meetra Surik.

Quite true. Also don't forget them & the other Jedi keep depending on the Force & they forget that they served it not them. The Force is cruel to them & Kreia/Darth Traya was right all along about the Jedi & Sith & it needs its betrayer to both side except cannot destroy the Force.

The arrogance had never left the Jedi. Their flaw ideas have them fail and turned them ignorant. They suspect something cause the Mandalorians, but they never investigate due to their way to manipulate others that they're all knowing. Their flaw code lasted until Luke Skywalker defeated the empire and rebuild the Jedi order. He did not just rebuild it he also reform their ways to become stronger. Luke freed the Jedi from arrogance and flaw.

I think the moral is to do your best to make sense of that intuition, that even though you know no other alternative, find it, through the feeling that you are wrong.

Hahaha lol

I love reading the comments of this video, they're funny and also thought provoking.

Yep. That's me.

"You had no choice" Milo Surik

100% agree. I just hope they don't ruin it, if they do make a remake. She's 79 now, so hopefully sooner than later... kreia without this voice is not kreia.

And they did it a decade before Undertale was even a thing.

Lucas has never come close to this...

The writing is GREAT.

Disney's excuse would probably be that it's too dark or too in depth to be made into a movie. 😒

@VS Unfortunately, no 🥺

Praise Chris Avellone

“Truth is, Jedi; the game was rigged from the start” - Kreia

It makes Palpatine and his empire look like a kid's tantrum when you talk like that.

The True Sith were more powerful and calamitous. They hate the force like Kreia that they want to destroy it and the galaxy that has it. This makes them more worse than the Sith Empire that is a knock off of the Galactic Empire.

@@gabrielandjavierpinales3689 I have to agree with that to a large extent though I thought of a context of some even greater power that is guiding them in the process.

@@thorshammer7883 a greater power than the force?

@@theblasteffect4499 I don't know about that exactly but something very powerful either way. It's an idea basically I would like to imagine while fitting the themes of Kreia's hatred of the Force.

Her frustration for the failure of the blind Jedi council who blindly taught students the wrong ways.

Do they follow the exile out of their own free will, or are they charmed/influenced enough to follow? It's kind alike when someone is so very convincing that someone doesn't have a choice but to follow.

@@theblasteffect4499 well, they're obviously charmed/ attracted by/to the power of the Force- which Nihilius essentially drains all of- and the Exile shares knowledge of instead...... Hence why they're on the "opposite sides of the Force spectrum" really

Unfortunately, Vrook was too arrogant to listen to the Exile for just once, and the other two could only rely on him, with so much of the council dead. So victory in philosophy was beyond reach. It's difficult to argue with a scientist. It's impossible to argue with a fool.

Another thing to add to my findings is that of 8:00. After several playthroughs only recently have I come to see what it means. Throughout the game, Kreia is always shown to be completely grey, unswayed by the actions of the exile, and this is exemplified through the ability force sight, taught by Visas. Force sight allows you to forgo the limitations of human perspective to instead see others and the force's hold on them, dark or light. Even through such Kreia maintains a grey hue, in all but this moment. It is a wonder that the Jedi did not sense this during their sentencing, but perhaps they assumed the faint echo of the dark side was coming from the exile has a reaction to his sentencing, as well as them needing to focus their power to remove his connection.

@@dgrunklesamiii4615 I managed to get Kreia with LS alignment.

@@ABFan-bj2uj Please provide evidence as to how you did this, as such is most likely a bug and not intended by the developers.

@@dgrunklesamiii4615 I switched to Kreia as party leader and did some altruistic stuff, and BOOM! Kreia Is Now Light Side!! Also, I have Vanilla version, not the TSLRCM.

@@ABFan-bj2uj I would assume that is indeed a bug. At no point is Kreia playable while separated from the exile, as she has her own goals and motivations, so I would assume that what light side points should've gone to you likely went to Kreia and bypassed her neutralizer. That's my theory at least, as I'm no tech wizard, and all signs point to Kreia masking her dark presence.

Thank you, man. You're right. I'm very passionate about video games, RPGs, and this game in particular. Part of the reason I make these videos is because it deserves more exposure. More writers in the video game industry should be using KOTOR 2 as an example to follow. Video Games can be so much more, and they can tell stories in a way that no other form of media can. I hope more developers see this, and maybe I can help with these videos. Edit: By the way, we can all do our part to make this game get more exposure. Share these videos with people you think it might interest.

For me too and I've started with ultima 7 (I know I can say I started with a bang! what a masterpeace!) and I think I played nearly every RPG since then.

Not the best, but the best Star Wars RPG. Hands down.

@@derlich09 I think it's a really good RPG because it goes above and beyond, utilitizing the very nature of an RPG to create an experience where you can mold the star wars galaxy to whatever you desire, whether it be light or dark, or somewhere in between.

Luke skywalker reformed the new jedi order in legends

@@maleexile9053 I never said he didn't but that dosent change the fact that these 3 justify something as awful as order 66

How

@@JJoh4040 their punishing the exile essentially for being a living contradiction of the jedi code

​@@Icebergeification It wasn't the same Jedi Order at all, it's over 3000 years in the future, i doubt the Prequel Era Council even knew about the mistakes of this council, and this era's Jedi got their "punishment" by the Triunvirate's own Jedi Purge, that is way more relevant in that sense. Order 66 was more about the Sith's revenge for their extermination 1000 years ago. Also, i wouldn't say the arrogance of the council members justifies the deaths of all the Jedi who were honest and fought hard to preserve life, just as the treatment of Anakin by Windu and the Council doesn't justify him murdering all the Jedi including Padawans and Younglings, by any moral standards, it isn't justice.

This is true. Have you ever wondered why? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2YqLvHxhFrg.html

You mixed it up LS was fear, abd DS was no choice

Haha

Yet canonically, it is the female exlie.

@@you-5-iver804 either sex you choose its pretty much the same but the cannon is a female exile. That being the case regardless its still an awesome game and an even greater story. These Rey and Finn misfits that revealed/displayed such a weak history all the more a misguided and moronic view of a once great franchise. They just gave those who love these stories a concerning less intellegent view that accomplished as said no better here a wound in Star Wars. Its pathetic and could never even hold a candle to what this is. Rey would most likely lose her mind by trying to understand anything in SW in general. Make Star Wars great again will you! Lol no but seriously this is the most rarest and well conceived story(s) that have been well thought out and fine polished to a degree presentable to a standard they could present, at least with the short time they had available in the rush they had for development. That said these recent SW films with the goober Rey with her no training gap that made every movie she was in de-cannonized in my book. Read Darth Plaguies and then look at Rey Mysterio and Finnland and you can see how it relates more to Monty Python's the Holy Grail. Actually Holy Grail was better in story development at least they were original, as well as keeping a laugh they never once creating Rey's unique farce power known as dissapointment. Now that i think about it more Holy Grail was better in most everything accept graphics but anything Rey and Finn mind you is a regular dumbass (stormtrooper) who changes his allegance and who later falls for a fat lil troll who fucks his one moment to be useful in the 3 movies to act in sacrificing himself for what remained of the NR in TLJ, ha dross! All they have given is a full list of WTF stupid moments that give only horrid views of future events. All this in a galaxy not so familiar to us but logic says quitely to disney your dung pie of films just cant match up to it, its just not cannon.

Each playthrough does have different dialogue tones at least with i know for sure kreia's at certain times especially. That being said, it does make for a different experience all the while increasing this game's replay ability and you just feel you've gotten more bang for your buck.

The Exile was always meant to be a guy. It was Bioware coming in after the fact and canonizing the female exile despite it being the weaker story.

@@firstconsulvergil4200 Literally all of the promotional material and official trailer for the game supports that and it makes the dynamic with Atris much more interesting. Drew treated the Exile's character worse than Abdel Adrien in his novelization.

she's bonded with Kreia so she knew she was about to have to fucking duck lol

@@DrTasty18 He*

Mommy protected me

​@@DmitryTheSovietDuckFinally someone with sense. I have become sick of people calling The Exile as she. SwTOR just ruined KOTOR's lore and butchered the exile's character

Stream vod did get demonetized by the way. But it was due to the music playing in the Nar Shaddaa video that 100% Star Wars sent me. I cut away from Blunatmay's video early enough.

Papito Qinn lol guess we gotta mute Luke next time

Its never enough!

"you suddenly get back up off the floor only to fall back down hahaha, that's some sort of glitch in the cut scene, I haven't seen that before." Funnily enough I have the exact opposite experience that glitch always happens for me.

@@SOMEGUY7893 I wonder if it's because the effect of being knocked out wore off but the game realized the character was supposed to stay knocked out so it did the effect again lol.

You mean this theme?: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SwO38f69X9o.html I couldn't use it at the opening it's too short. But I did use it. It starts at 5:26

Yes! I remember having goose bumps for the first time at the scene of the desert and ramshackle Jedi enclave, when the sentimental tune played and Kreia said "it has been sometime."

“I hate you for…” Why hate?

She would have used their arrogance to convince them it was too dangerous to let you live and have you killed. From the 4 left Jedi Masters, Atris was the most arrogant.

@@robinhood7293 She turned Vrook Lamar to the Dark Side without knowing. Kreia couldn’t even get him to admit it.

Oh no Kriea would protect the exile and kill them instead. He was most important to her

Revan's path may have been good for the galaxy, but that doesn't mean it was balanced in the force.

spectacular😂

I'd think maybe slightly less as condemning than in KOTOR, but about the same.

Along with Fallout: New Vegas

But turning RPG mechanism to story is absolute brilliance

You have to be on the dark side.

Ah, I see! Thanks for the quick response. :)

You're welcome. I happened to be in the neighborhood.

You know I never considered writing her a letter. I wouldn't know where to send it.

@@PapitoQinn she'll probably die soon. I'm gonna try find a way rather than laud her after she passes as under appreciated

Where do you send it?

Mine was bald, and I pictured him as *deeply* and *terrifyingly* strong, both physically and mentally. Kreia is only second place to him.

The female exile was only made canon in swtor before this in 2004 when it came out all the promotional material was for the male

@@Dipset81288 wow didn't know, thanks

Trying to get ahead of things, i see. PS: Yes

Wah, Disney bad!

Same here!

Are they the Same?

@@simon556able Meetra Surik a female Exile and the canonical one

@@dzikripratama3776 only canon in the bad MMO and mediocre novels.

"Milo Surik"

I think people might tell you that Sara Kestelman is still kicking.

@@PapitoQinn I don't know what she looks like.

@@Kainlarsen Look her up.

"Pickles' nickels. The very first endorsement of money." Which one looks like him exactly?

@@PapitoQinn ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AsdVeiqaJls.html this dude

Yeah, I'm at 1987. Year of Predator, Robocop, Lethal Weapon. Good year. At least for movies.

1990 now.

@Roland Deschain Good year for music, even mainstream. Gangsta rap was going hard and Alternative Rock was on it's way up.

try using the partyswap mod, it allows you to have both the disciple and the handmaiden. As for the female exile's companions not being as fleshed out, there are a few reasons for that, namely, the disciple was meant to have a long quest where you find holocrons, and only through finding holocrons could you eventually train him into a Jedi.

The restored content mod, I think.

It is long after the infinite empire, the emperor didn’t exist under the infinite empire, I believe neither did the Sith or Jedi. Infinite Empire - Exar Kun - Kotor - Swtor - High Republic - Prequels