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PastFX Elastic Mattress Flanger (Compared To 1978 V3 Electric Mistress) 

Joe Perkins
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The good folks at PastFX over in Australia have tried their hand at recreating another legendary vintage modulation...the 18v Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress flanger. It's one of my all-time favourites, and quite a few manufacturers have had a stab at nailing its sound over the years. But it's a tricky circuit to both get right and please the masses, as it's fundamentally noisy....the lack of top end filtering gives it a lovely sparkle, but it also means the chirpy flanger noise comes through loud and clear. So pedal companies have a choice: leave it bright (and risk people complaining that their expensive boutique pedal is noisy) or filter the noise out (and risk people complaining that their Mistress-alike is too dark compared to the original).
Verlie at PastFX thought of this though, and included a handy Bright switch. With it down, it's a touch darker than the original, but super-quiet. With it up, you can use the trim pot on the circuit board to dial in exactly the right amount of high end to please you....and then have both those sounds at the flick of a switch. As you turn the Treble trim up more noise will be let through, but you can set it exactly where you like it. Cool, eh?
You also get a blend knob - to bring your completely dry signal back in underneath the flanged signal for some more subtle effects. So you can set the pedal pretty wild, and then dial the blend back so that it isn't going absolutely haywire.
This runs on 18V like the original, but the noise floor is MASSIVELY lower (even with the bright switch up), and the footprint is much smaller too. It doesn't use the original SAD1024 BBD (simply because they're essentially non-existent nowadays) but it still houses a NOS MN3007 chip.
Instead of shooting a 'normal' demo of the Mattress, I decided to answer the question that most people want to know when buying a boutique Mistress clone....how does it compare to the OG? So I'm going to be putting it alongside my big-bucks V3 EHX Mistress to see how close we can get the two sounding.
What do you think? Almost indistinguishable? Or significant differences to note? Comment below!
Guitars are:
- Gronlund R16 Redeemer Jr. w/ TV Jones Ful-Fidelity Filter'Tron
- Gibson Memphis ES-330 '61 VOS Reissue w/ OX4 P90s
- Fender Partscaster Strat w/ Fralin Real '54s
- Nathan Sheppard NSG1 w/ Bare Knuckle Knuckledusters
- Gibson Les Paul Standard w/ ThroBak SLE-101 PAFs
Amp is a Dr Z Z-Wreck running into a Zilla Studio Pro 2x12 cabinet loaded with Scumback S75-PVC AlNiCo and Celestion AlNiCo Gold speakers. Recorded with Aston Spirit Condenser, '70s Sennheiser MD441 and sE RNR1 ribbon mics, with a Schoeps CMC6 room mic.
joeperkinsmusic
jp@joeperkins.co.uk
0:00 Intro
5:52 Noise Comparison
6:07 Clean Playing
11:16 Flangers Into OD
12:29 Flangers After OD
14:09 Outro
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Комментарии : 92   
@steveturner6770
@steveturner6770 2 года назад
Great comparison video. Really enjoyed it - I love the nostalgic feeling if playing ehx big boxes. Fabulous. More of these, Joe!
@jjcollins
@jjcollins 11 месяцев назад
Absolutely beautiful demo and playing! Sounded fantastic! Thank you for posting!
@deviprasadgarnayak4016
@deviprasadgarnayak4016 Год назад
I am convinced!! Thank you for the demo Joe.
@kirabarsmith9353
@kirabarsmith9353 2 года назад
Electric Mistress is one of the best circuits IMHO, I don't even mind the noise of vintage models. Been listening to comparisons of every version, and surprisingly I like the 90's big box with power cord the best, with the v2 you feature here coming in a very close second. Props to PastFX and Retro-Sonic for providing affordable versions, and excellent comparison as always. Thanks, Joe!
@enricopallazzo8510
@enricopallazzo8510 2 года назад
Both sounded incredibly good and i really enjoy the idea of the blend knob on the Mattress. Having said that, i would love to hear a shoot-out between the original Mistress and an original Japanese made Boss BF-2 which is, to me, the king of flangers.
@gerhardvanappeldorn574
@gerhardvanappeldorn574 Год назад
Hey Joe! A very good performance. Thank you and best wishes from Germany.
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic Год назад
Thanks Gerhard :-) Glad it was an interesting video
@themog4911
@themog4911 2 года назад
Another excellent comparison, thanks Joe :)
@johnhowardnardine6815
@johnhowardnardine6815 2 месяца назад
Excellent review, Joe! I bought the Elastic Mattress based on your review: “if it is good enough for Joe, it’s good enough for me”. Still dialing in the sound I want, but I’m getting along with it nicely! Oh, and Verlie had my order packed and shipped literally the same day I ordered it! She sent a pic of the shipment! Had it within a week, all the way from Australia. I will be buying from PastFX again!
@aornic
@aornic 2 года назад
I have the Mattress and it's an excellent pedal. The blend knob really helps run it with a big muff for the 70s David Gilmour lead sound due to a subtle setting letting the fuzz character not be overwhelmed. Nice comparison!
@levijessegonzalez3629
@levijessegonzalez3629 2 года назад
i like you're reviews more than anything else. you talk about the important points and waste no time. do more reviews!
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic 2 года назад
Thanks Levi :-)
@caradogas
@caradogas Год назад
Great demo!
@ericgardner5969
@ericgardner5969 3 месяца назад
The mistress might be the best sounding color pedal ever made. It’s fucking GORGEOUS
@esmoroglu
@esmoroglu 2 года назад
Hello Joe, thanks for the video. The Electric Mistress’ top end is like zero compromise, “let it be like this no matter what” kind of top-end. This seems to mold better into the overall sound. Past-fx’s top range Q is sharper hence a tad narrower. But I guess this is as good as it can get given the rules of physics I guess? Oh the growl of flanger on the overdrive!✨✨✨
@absea7918
@absea7918 2 года назад
Great review, and reaction. Totally agree on your points about variability in the sound of vintage electronics. The original Mistress is a collectors item at this point, and for good reason. I'm guessing if I had both (original and re-creating) I'd never use the original since its worth so much, is huge, noisy, and I'd worry I'd break/damage it. So kudos to Past Fx, and others (Retro-Sonic), for making this available!
@standingbadger
@standingbadger 2 года назад
Very good comparison and I think your observations are spot on re the differences between the two and the degradation of the SAD1024. The A/DA flanger uses the same Reticon chips. The EM was a big part of Andy Summer’s sound in The Police. I read that his unit was modified by Pete Cornish but I don’t know exactly what the mod was. I try to get close using an old TC Electronics SCF on flanger mode with a Voodoo Labs ‘Analog Chorus’. Not bad but no cigar.
@BradRocker
@BradRocker 2 года назад
Super awesome pedal there Joe
@MightyMaul
@MightyMaul Год назад
Can I just commend your ability to A-B two different pedals. Out of all the FX reviews I’ve seen you have gotten the closest sounds out of the two. If I had closed my eyes and didn’t know there were two different pedals I wouldn’t have known the difference. Very well done, keep up the excellent work!
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic Год назад
Thanks :-) Yeah, these two can be very close indeed :-)
@veganstew7954
@veganstew7954 Год назад
I agree. Not with the modesty in the reply, but with the compliment. Not easy to dial in such close settings. Well done.
@guitardave
@guitardave 2 года назад
I’m on the verge of buying on of the PastFX Elastic Mattress pedals - they sound fantastic, authentic, and best of all are in a compact form that will fit on my board.
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic 2 года назад
Do it - it's ace!
@msaintpc
@msaintpc 2 года назад
Love those blues rock licks remnant of the wild late 1970s - mid 1980s. A lot off us in West Hollywood and Laguna Beach had bands with that kind of sound, chicks loved it.👍
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic Год назад
I was born in the wrong time ;-) heh
@stiffyBlicky
@stiffyBlicky Год назад
thanks for this video man.
@thedonal
@thedonal 11 месяцев назад
Great demo and comparison. I have a Mooer E-Lady and it sounds great, but the volume drop a pain on it- the Elastic Mattress is definitely on the wishlist (their 80/A is quite desirable too!).
@wolfnstrings
@wolfnstrings 2 года назад
I bought an Elastic Mattress. It’s awesome!
@mikeroadblock
@mikeroadblock 2 года назад
You rock kind sir!
@JohnnyRock
@JohnnyRock 2 года назад
I see Flat Eric in the background. I can tell you have elevated taste ;)
@Strat642001
@Strat642001 2 года назад
Greetings fellow TGP'er 👍 Excellent review, love the comparison format. How do you feel the Matress compares to the Retro-Sonic?
@bioklastik1062
@bioklastik1062 2 года назад
Both of the PastFX flangers are excellent. I've tried both and retained the Reticon.
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic 2 года назад
Would love to try the Reticon :-)
@ilovemusic68
@ilovemusic68 2 года назад
I own both but slightly prefer the mastress
@DogAfraidOfUmbrellas
@DogAfraidOfUmbrellas Год назад
Thanks for doing these comparisons. I think the Retro Sonic V2 swirl is closer even though the top is not quite as sparkly open as the vintage EHX, and this one while brighter also sounds a bit flatter. Looks like the latest pasftx version has a blend too. In any case, I decided to get an original one based on these videos especially, since I plan to use it for cleanish stuff. For high gain applications I don't think it matters as much, in face these clones might be better. But nothing quite has the sparkle of the originals. I hope the V3 I ordered is as good as the one you have!
@Paul_Lenard_Ewing
@Paul_Lenard_Ewing 2 года назад
First beautiful flatpicking!!!! Really enjoyable. The E. Mattress is excellent. How is it beside the Retro-Sonic ??? I have just finished an A/B with your Retro-Sonic and it is hard to tell, lol ....Excellent and important review !!! Thanx
@wastewoodrockers5526
@wastewoodrockers5526 Год назад
Nice video! They sound incredibly close. Literally impossible to tell the difference in some sections. I think unless your buying a vintage one for the collector appeal, you should really just go for the PastFX. Much more reliable and usable. I own a super rare vintage Polyflange (basically an Electric Mistress + Clone Theory in one box) and it’s my all time favourite modulation. Super versatile and sounds amazing. It also has an incredibly low noise floor, however it still stuffers from the ‘tone sucking’ these old units are known for in bypass.
@drewbarries
@drewbarries 2 года назад
Very nice comparison, agreed the sweep is not as lush and noise floor is a no contest but even with the high end compensation the mattress is noticeably darker.
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic 2 года назад
I adjusted the treble trim pot by ear - the pedal can get plenty brighter than I was running it here.
@yaki_font
@yaki_font 2 года назад
It would be awesome to see a comparison with a Hartman Flanger
@thesimulations8900
@thesimulations8900 Год назад
Seems to capture the thin/bright thing the original has. Closer sounding to my hearing than the Retro-sonic. The blend knob is great and should be on most pedals. 👍🏻
@adrianr2312
@adrianr2312 2 года назад
Hey there Joe, great comparison as always! I'm stuck trying to decide between the retro sonic and the Past fx! Any input on which you feel is personally closer? Of course, the Longamp Roxanne has also been brought up to my attention so i'm in a real dilemma trying to decide which flanger to get lol cheers!
@DocBanjo
@DocBanjo Год назад
I had a Roxanne but gave it off to my brother. I loved the sounds it had, but it was often too subtle sounding and I would forget it was on. The PastFX has way more in it to my ears, and the blend is so useful for capturing those more subtle tones like the Roxanne has.
@FloydColor
@FloydColor 11 месяцев назад
Excellent review. Don't think I'm crazy... but I feel a certain difference between the two pedals. The "jet" effect (as I describe it) is different, and in my opinion it is due to the different chips, for me the EM is unbeatable, but I also think that the Elastic Mattress is currently the best clone available.
@morbidrockgod
@morbidrockgod 2 года назад
Great demo. I hear some 2% more sweetness coming out of the original one. Cheers!
@davidhoffmann6040
@davidhoffmann6040 9 месяцев назад
Thx you for your video, im watching many videos about all the clones of electric mistress deluxe because im playing gothic or darkwave style, mostly clean with reverb, i already have a roland JC for that typical ultra clean sound. I have a vintage pedal (a Boss BF-1) but it’s unusable directly as the bypass is really catastrophic 😅 The ALH Effect Electric Mother and this PastFX Elastic Mattress seem to be good, the reissue of Electric Mistress Deluxe from EHX seemed good but stopped now 😊
@stratogio
@stratogio 2 года назад
Hi Joe, great video, thank You, Do you prefer this elastic mattress or retrosonic flanger ? Regards
@user-PastFx
@user-PastFx 2 года назад
Mattress!
@thischannel1071
@thischannel1071 2 года назад
I've heard that the LFO noise you hear lots of in your V2 EM can be a product of worn caps, and that it can go away if you replace the caps. I have a V5 and V6 EM, and they both make that noise to an extent. And I have a vintage Clone Theory with the SAD chip that also makes LFO noise. I want to have their caps replaced sometime.
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic 2 года назад
Possibly - component drift over time doesn't usually make 'quirks' of older pedals better. But I think these circuits were inherently noisy from new, too.
@djpgreek
@djpgreek 4 месяца назад
Would love to know if you could recommend a setting for the Spirit of Radio? Pedal wise and if to your ear the flanger goes into an OD or after?
@BaronsDuju
@BaronsDuju 2 года назад
Hey Joe, awesome video! This is the retro sonic? Although both are great, if you had to choose? :) I also heard a bit less treble in this pedal, not just bass. The highest frequency trebles we’re close, but the lower levels were more easily perceptible as missing. Or it was my imagination. Agreed the swoop was different tho, maybe the swoop was skipping some of the frequencies I was hearing as missing.
@turtletracks7657
@turtletracks7657 Год назад
Great shootout! To my ear, the vintage has an analog vibe whereas the new one is sterile. I get that they sound close, but the original defintely is the one I would like to be playing. I wish it wasn't so.
@barneyrubble8255
@barneyrubble8255 2 года назад
Is there a trick to recording when you're playing soft, to keep some of that noise out of the recording?
@chocomalk
@chocomalk 2 года назад
The original has more low end depth but the modulation is spot on
@BlueberryStinkFinger62
@BlueberryStinkFinger62 Год назад
Electric mistress hands down..the Mt Rushmore of guitar pedal makers are Mike Mathews Michael Fuller Jim Dunlop period!
@olsza6969
@olsza6969 Год назад
can you compare PastFX Elastic Mattress with retrosonic flanger?
@Darren_Craven
@Darren_Craven 2 года назад
Nice review. The sweep is quite different between the two pedals, the delay time in the mistress is shorter with its BBD chip, something I believe designers struggle to achieve with other BBD chips.
@matthiaswilhelm9813
@matthiaswilhelm9813 Год назад
Ja,es geht.Ich hatte vor über 30 Jahren einen guten Effekt,indem ich für 180 Grad Phase in den EHX Badstone einen Entkoppelverstaerker für das Dry Signal mit Sep. Out reinbastelte...🙌💖👍🐒🎂
@vkuolema79
@vkuolema79 2 года назад
I have a V3 original and i have to say the difference between a SAD1024 and MN3007 is noticeable but for the sake of pedalboard size and noise floor the Elastic Mattress is a great piece of gear for all those Pink Floyd/Summer chorusy sounds in a convenient package. No one will notice the difference in a live situation
@stiffyBlicky
@stiffyBlicky Год назад
How would you describe the sound difference between the SAD1024 and MN3007?
@vkuolema79
@vkuolema79 Год назад
@@stiffyBlicky for me the SAD1024 is less warmer and has less low frecuency response. The MN3007 sounds warmer and has a little bit of more bottom end.
@serranodavid3247
@serranodavid3247 Год назад
? Would a "Y" split cable, work to power the unit, My Strymon Ojai are all 9v? No 18v
@Indiecovers1985
@Indiecovers1985 2 года назад
It is so close, I nearly bought one a few months ago the one thing that put me off was how much the import fees, could I ask how much did you pay to get one into England? Thanks Cameron :)
@missing101
@missing101 5 месяцев назад
One drawback for me, is the new pedal is small and hard to see when its on the floor. The old mistress has its size and simplicity in its favor. Even the deluxe.
@theharpsichordofmozart4258
@theharpsichordofmozart4258 2 года назад
With the outlandish price tag on the Pastfx you may as well buy the original Electric Mistress. You can't buy the Pastfx here in the UK (Well I haven't seen one) you have to order it from Australia and pay heavy tax on top of the wincing (for me anyway) price tag.
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic 2 года назад
Aside from the rarity, lack of repairability if you fry the SAD1024, crazy background noise, significant volume drop, huge footprint, awkward power adaptor and a working one being about 3x the price of the Mattress…yep, I’m with you.
@bongusdongus2137
@bongusdongus2137 8 месяцев назад
bro, the conversion from AUD is like 150 GBP, which itself is slightly less than it costs in USD. A handmade pedal using NOS BBD chips for 150 clams is absolutely nuts, are you expecting Mooer prices or some shit?
@zhou_sei
@zhou_sei Год назад
i was gonna be all "the differences are STARK!", because the mistress has a very audible higher note that it hits at the top of its range, but then i saw that the mattress' range knob was not on 10. did i miss something (my first listen was in the car, so i may just be overlooking it), or did the range knob never go to ten on the elastic mattress? the inability to hit the same high note on the high end of the sweep would be a major dealbreaker for me.
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic Год назад
The pots on each work in slightly different ranges, so I set the knobs to get the sound as close as possible to each other rather than setting them the same.
@HazeAnderson
@HazeAnderson Год назад
11:43 TWANG! 😆
@kennyjohnson336
@kennyjohnson336 2 года назад
Thanks for giving me GAS mate
@ethandorsett4895
@ethandorsett4895 2 года назад
This or the retro sonic
@michael_caz_nyc
@michael_caz_nyc 2 года назад
Retro Sonic - there is a comparison of both-of-them.
@user-PastFx
@user-PastFx 2 года назад
Mattress
@pocketchange6010
@pocketchange6010 Год назад
i couldn't tell the difference
@ttswan
@ttswan 10 месяцев назад
Hey, why don't you start these videos with "If you like what you see and hear"... please hit the subscribe button etc. Takes the strong arm out of it, right?
@akkudakkupl
@akkudakkupl 6 месяцев назад
Noise could be eliminated by increasing the delay line length and sample rate. But that means someone would need to do real design work instead of just cloning the schematic.
@carlthomas3930
@carlthomas3930 3 месяца назад
Have at it !
@akkudakkupl
@akkudakkupl 3 месяца назад
@@carlthomas3930 I did one of these in a microcontroller once. Doing this analog is a lot of hassle ;-)
@michael_caz_nyc
@michael_caz_nyc 2 года назад
I thought the Retro Sonic v2 sounded closer? This is a bit thin and less swooshey? Joe " you know . . . we all wanna hear Mattresss vs. Retro . . . C'mon Joe !!!
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic 2 года назад
I've not put them side by side, but I think they're definitely ballpark to each other - they'll both definitely do the job. I _might_ make that video sometime...we'll see. I'm not sure it'd really tell us _too_ much as they're both so close.
@silviolutti1522
@silviolutti1522 2 года назад
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@silviolutti1522
@silviolutti1522 2 года назад
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@salg1386
@salg1386 Год назад
If you're looking for the Electric Mistress flanger sound, the get the Retro-sonic Flanger. I have the Retro-sonic and the V3 Elastic Mattress and the Retro-sonic is much better sounding. Side by side, the Elastic Mattress is thin, overly bright and brittle
@JoePerkinsMusic
@JoePerkinsMusic Год назад
I've not done a full comparison, but whenever I've run the two side by side, my Mattress & Retro-Sonic have sounded incredibly close to each other. I guess it depends how both are dialled in and how the internal treble trim on the Mattress is set also.
@salg1386
@salg1386 Год назад
@@JoePerkinsMusic I have the V3 Elastic Mattress and the Bright control is external and is all the way down. Even the the slightest adjustment brighter is is way too much. I've tested them literally side by side in my effects chain, and the Retro-sonic simply sounds better
@rareform6747
@rareform6747 8 месяцев назад
A real Tube Amp Gives More + PastFX is like Biden / Cost Is Creepy !
@BitcoinTakeover
@BitcoinTakeover 2 года назад
The PastFX sounds more metallic & brighter. Could probably get the same tones from a cheaper Mooer ElecLady. Sorry, the original EHX Electric Mistress is still undefeated.
@JPMonstie
@JPMonstie 2 года назад
The brightness is switchable and also adjustable with internal trimpot, so you can effectively turn that external switch into two distinct brightness level presets. The Mooer is an excellent pedal (I also have one) but it’s far more limited and based on a different EH flanger model. I’m keen on this guy but also probably will keep the Mooer; but I’m into these types of effects so if you’re not, Mooer is all you need perhaps.
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