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Pathé KOK #10: Why does it exist? 

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The video shows a Pathé KOK projector with serial number 10, manufactured in 1912. While they were the first home cinema projectors, built around the new 28mm safety film, this one is for 35mm. It looks factory-built but a 35mm home cinema version made no sense then (because of the highly flammable film) and makes no sense now (because of missing audio).
0:00 Early Cinema History
1:07 Fire Hazards, Home Cinema and 28mm Film
2:08 The First Home Cinema Projector
3:35 Serial Number 10
5:34 Native 35mm!
6:27 Why this makes no sense
7:57 Speculation

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27 июл 2024

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@thysmillan2067
@thysmillan2067 Год назад
While I do not own a Pathe KOK (I have an incomplete and poor-condition New Premier Pathescope with the American-style perforations) I do also own a 35mm toy projector that is likely from the late 1920s - early 1930s (I'm not entirely sure). It has a 200-ft reel capacity - though I only have a single 100-foot reel for it - and no shutter, the illusion of motion being produced simply by a hand-cranked Geneva drive. This all leads up to the fact that when I received this projector it came with ~75ft of 35mm film. Upon closer inspection, the film was very scratched Kodak nitrate stock, with no soundtracks to be found (and the content, which is just under two minutes of an old Western film, has yet to be identified by me or anyone else for lack of any title information). Perhaps this a coincidence, but I think there were definitely people who used 35mm nitrate for home projection even at their own risk and sold equipment for this purpose.
@danielsantos4202
@danielsantos4202 6 дней назад
Love both your videos on the 1910s projectors. I'd love to see more videos about things of this nature. Do you have other projectors to share? I've just gotten into standard 8mm film and I definitely started a new hobby haha
@robertcammack902
@robertcammack902 Год назад
Interesting video. No mention of the 9.5mm size. The front part of the KOK model reminds me very much of the old Pathescope Kid. which took fiftry foot reels with the take-up reel incorporated within the projector. I later modified this to use outside 5 inch reels. My brother and I also had a hand turned 35mm projector with which we gave the local kids film shows in the basement with the 'audience' sitting on the steps. When we found that the 35mm film made wonderful smoke bombs we soon had none left!! Alll this during the war.
@googleuser3110
@googleuser3110 Год назад
Not sure how this wound up being presented to me, but I enjoyed it. Thank you.
@srfurley
@srfurley Год назад
There were plenty of small home projectors made for 35 mm. Most of them only ran short lengths of film, just a few metres at most.
@vhscollector
@vhscollector 8 месяцев назад
The Vitak, Ikonograph and Homograph are all home projectors that predate the Pathe Kok. Not to mention, all the magic lantern attachments that turned them into 35mm projectors. None of them really took off, but they were widely available to those willing to take the chance.
@Robin-si3vw
@Robin-si3vw Год назад
At first I thought that the film being used was a 28mm film made by Victor in America, since the perforations look just like those on 35mm but smaller. I certainly can't imagine why anyone would want nitrate film in their homes, although I believe Edison did produce a few early home projectors which used 35mm film anyway.
@andyvan5692
@andyvan5692 10 месяцев назад
old film stock?, I was of the impression in the latter years the British library had all of that collection digitised, then destroyed.
@rogerb5615
@rogerb5615 Год назад
An eBay seller in France has a "Pathe Rural" projector for sale that takes 17.5mm film stock .... another unusual format that must have failed in the marketplace.
@DhirubhaiChuhan-nm5vy
@DhirubhaiChuhan-nm5vy Год назад
Xxxx
@maxjhonson4546
@maxjhonson4546 Год назад
We need a 3d print version
@MrGreenBentley
@MrGreenBentley Год назад
I m lucky enough to own one of these, the films are almost impossible to find though and when you do find them they costa BOMB!!
@robertmohan9392
@robertmohan9392 Год назад
Where this projector available,, am very instrested about this
@TheStig1961
@TheStig1961 Год назад
At 5:40. Avoid handling the lamp (bulb) with bare hand. It will made the life time for it short🥺. Regards Stig Österberg from Dalsbruk in Finland.
@telefunken7230
@telefunken7230 Год назад
It is an LED lamp, not a halogen lamp, therefore unaffected by handling, however to is good practice and habit not to handle any lamp with bare fingers.
@projectingintothepast356
@projectingintothepast356 7 месяцев назад
I have the 28mm version of this with films. I wonder if they did manufacture a 35mm version or just interchangeable parts like with Pathe/Pathe’scope 9.5mm machines. In a life time of collecting I have only seen two 35mm versions, yours and one on eBay.
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe 7 месяцев назад
The 28mm and 35mm projectors are entirely different products and share only a handful of parts. I've actually started producing a follow-up video that compares the two types to each other. It should be up sometime in January 2024.
@projectingintothepast356
@projectingintothepast356 7 месяцев назад
@@glockenkurvenrandgruppe thank you I will look forward to seeing that.
@normm7764
@normm7764 Год назад
Thank you for the video. I would appreciate some advice on nitrocellulose films. I have a number of reels of home movies, shot by my father from approx 1935 (9.5 mm Pathe) to the mid - 1960's (16 mm Kodak Safety Film). The majority is on 16 mm "Safety Film" from the 1940's to mid - 1950's. Is there any way of easily knowing what (if any) of this film stock is dangerous? Thank you.
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe Год назад
If in doubt, please ask an expert in a film archive or the fire department. While all amateur formats should be safe (that was the idea behind it), I am just a dude on the internet with next to no knowledge of film stock and zero experience with nitrate film. Commercial productions have used 16mm as well, and who knows what film stock they used and whether it found its way into private hands. By the way, even safety film will burn when you set it on fire, just like for example a book would. However, compared to nitrate film, it won't burn violently, you will be able to extinguish the fire and it won't self-ignite.
@normm7764
@normm7764 Год назад
@@glockenkurvenrandgruppe Thanks for your reply and for the information. I will do as you suggest and seek advice.
@ronnronn55
@ronnronn55 Год назад
Cut a little piece off the film and see how it reacts to flame.
@robturner3065
@robturner3065 Год назад
Safety film is exactly what it says it is- safe. The words 'safety film' were added to the edge of the film stock during manufacture, and since home movies are on first generation reversal film stock you can take it at face value. Nitrate film stock of that age would also be showing signs of degradation by now.
@MuhammadYousaf-yg6tw
@MuhammadYousaf-yg6tw Год назад
Great history father of old projecter
@insighteins1317
@insighteins1317 Год назад
fascinating machine
@Justwantahover
@Justwantahover Год назад
Like you to have shown the picture. 😮
@Celtic_Thylacine
@Celtic_Thylacine 11 месяцев назад
I did wonder if there was a film that came with it that might help explain its origin?
@garyclark6281
@garyclark6281 11 месяцев назад
Why does it exit? Simple. Because someone invented it. Then, when it became outdated, no one bothered to throw it away!
@David-ry2ir
@David-ry2ir Год назад
Hi, I would be interested in buying this projector. Regards, David
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe Год назад
Sorry, but it is not for sale.
@David-ry2ir
@David-ry2ir Год назад
@@glockenkurvenrandgruppe I saw it for sale at an auction recently. Around 100 of these Pathe Kok 35mm projectors have been produced. Do you collect 28mm or 35mm film?
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe Год назад
@@David-ry2ir Neither nor. As a child of the digital age my collection is entirely digital but on physical media at least. I am more of a hardware collector. So far three other 35mm Pathé KOKs have come to my attention, one with an unknown serial number, the others with numbers 12 and 306, all residing in museums. Each of them seems to be constructed identically or at least very, very similarly. However, all of them differ from the 28mm versions in almost every part, if ever so slightly. They must have been factory-built. My current hypothesis is that they were B2B models and not being sold to end users. In a business(like) environment you could expect people to properly handle nitrate film. One of those projectors came with a history: in the 1920s it was used by a surgeon to show recordings of surgeries in hospitals. Where does the number of "around 100", that you mentioned, come from?
@dayathidayat1962
@dayathidayat1962 Год назад
Good nice
@vandie9759
@vandie9759 Год назад
i really wonder how many of the nerdy audience really noticed the difference between the e 28mm and the 35 mm ., I bet at least one recognized it in advance , someone some ware
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe
@glockenkurvenrandgruppe Год назад
There's always a bigger nerd ;)
@projectingintothepast356
@projectingintothepast356 7 месяцев назад
You’re own comment makes you a nerd. From a collector of 28mm.😂
@meherbaba-godman7483
@meherbaba-godman7483 Год назад
💕💕❤❤💘💘
@tompsheridantsheridant7354
@tompsheridantsheridant7354 Год назад
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