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It’s finally time to review Patton! I have a lot to say about it, as you can tell by the time stamp. Way back when I started the Based on a True Story series, the second episode was a bit about what I considered to be the best ones - and this movie was at the top. I love this film, but for more reasons than most of you could know - so this is going to be a deep dive into the film and it’s subject matter. It’s ambiguous, narrowed in subject, and just a perfect examination of the man. As the New Yorker said during the movie’s release, “[Patton] appears to be deliberately planned as a Rorschach test.”
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references:
Brian Sobel and George S. Patton IV, The Fighting Pattons (Westport: Praeger Publishing, 1997). amzn.to/2u2WI57
MacMillan Compendium, America at War (New York: Macmillan Library Reference, 1994), 726-727. amzn.to/2m6o4mx
John Keegan and Andrew Wheatcroft, Who’s Who in Military History: from 1453 to the Present Day, (London: Routledge, 1996), 231-232. amzn.to/2KWv53M
Paul Fussell, “Patton,” in Past Imperfect: History According to the Movies, ed. Mark Carnes (New York: Henry Holt and Company, 1996). amzn.to/2J5iGc7
Jonathan Vankin and John Whalen, Based on a True Story: Fact and Fantasy in 100 Favorite Movies, (Chicago: A Cappella Books, 2005), 269-272. amzn.to/2m2sSZQ
Frank Sanello, Reel v. Real: How Hollywood Turns Fact into Fiction (Lanham: Taylor Trade Publishing, 2003), 177-181.
amzn.to/2N072BB
www.historynet.com/patton-film...
dailyhistory.org/How_accurate...
jbell2ja.umwblogs.org/history-...
www.theguardian.com/film/2008...
www.moviemistakes.com/film960
Special thanks to my mom, dad, and uncle for making sure this was accurate and providing media for the end bit, especially my father (Mark Hall-Patton), who proofread the script as well.
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Chapters
0:00 Spoof
1:16 Intro
2:13 Reality
13:40 Scholarship
16:52 Pro or anti war
20:30 Accuracy
28:37 Omissions
32:41 Disclosure
Wiki:
Patton is a 1970 American epic biographical DeLuxe Color war film about U.S. General George S. Patton during World War II. It stars George C. Scott, Karl Malden, Michael Bates and Karl Michael Vogler. It was directed by Franklin J. Schaffner from a script by Francis Ford Coppola and Edmund H. North, who based their screenplay on the biography Patton: Ordeal and Triumph by Ladislas Farago and Omar Bradley's memoir A Soldier's Story. The film was shot in 65 mm Dimension 150 by cinematographer Fred J. Koenekamp and has a music score by Jerry Goldsmith.
Patton won seven Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Director and Best Original Screenplay. Scott won Best Actor for his portrayal of General Patton, but declined to accept the award.[3] The opening monologue, delivered by George C. Scott as General Patton with an enormous American flag behind him, remains an iconic and often quoted image in film. The film was successful,[4] and in 2003, Patton was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically or aesthetically significant". The Academy Film Archive preserved Patton in 2003.
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@johnaucamp7106
@johnaucamp7106 6 лет назад
General Patton is always better than Specific Patton. I'll show myself out...
@airport862
@airport862 6 лет назад
That was funny, as shown by all the likes.
@suflanker45
@suflanker45 6 лет назад
Better than Common Patton. This way? Right?
@linecookyeet
@linecookyeet 6 лет назад
its ok you can come back
@thurin84
@thurin84 6 лет назад
you sir, DESERVE to be slapped by a general.
@soldiersandstuff9607
@soldiersandstuff9607 5 лет назад
I think the top of the list is Distinct Patton... alright let me get the noose
@KillerKane0
@KillerKane0 6 лет назад
One of my professors was a US Army officer in the early 70s. While at Fort Knox, he - a young 2LT - found himself being chewed out by Lt. Gen. George S. Patton IV. While the general ranted and raved, my friend started to smirk. "What are you smiling at, Second Lieutenant?," he asked, emphasizing his supremely junior rank? My friend replied "The Irony, sir. 35 years ago, your father chewed out my father, a field artillery master sergeant." Patton's jaw dropped, and he totally forgot the subject of their talk. Afterwards, the general called my friend by his first name.
@gumgumdookuin7963
@gumgumdookuin7963 6 лет назад
Lol. Guess the old saying is true. Like father, like son.
@Spacklatard
@Spacklatard 6 лет назад
LOL, Once again Americans show they don't know the difference between irony and coincidence ;)
@KillerKane0
@KillerKane0 6 лет назад
Remember, those are my friend's words, not mine.
@WordBearer86
@WordBearer86 6 лет назад
You said your professor in college.
@danconrad920
@danconrad920 6 лет назад
Ulric Kessler ,, his prof. can't be a friend?
@Idahoguy10157
@Idahoguy10157 6 лет назад
People aren’t taught that WW2 was a war of amateurs. The prewar Army was tiny. Professional soldiers were a small minority of those who served. Most professional soldiers stayed in CONUS and trained volunteers and draftees. The ones overseas were more often staff and logistics officers. Pros in combat like Patton were a rarity.
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 6 лет назад
Professionals could be found in the remainings of invaded countries (Poland, Dutch, French free forces). These were very few in numbers, but very determind and for most of those professional soldier, or simply soldiers that at least had fought for the better part of 2 years before the US even became involved. This can explain how they stood up to German forces even when heavily outnumbered like at El Alamein or Bir Hakeim.
@sawyernorthrop4078
@sawyernorthrop4078 5 лет назад
It could be argued that all wars are wars of amateurs, especially those with large scale conscription
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 5 лет назад
Sawyer Northrop well not all wars, this is for instance how the Roman army was so terribly efficient : often years of training before seeing an actual battle, with units ranked by experience each having specific roles. But i agree that most wars were fought by levies and conscripts.
@philjr5714
@philjr5714 5 лет назад
My grandpa was one of the few. Trained at Valley Forge from a child. Second generation war hero. Silver star for both father and son I believe. Great grandpa Purple Heart but anyone can get that. Ok third generation involved in active war. So he was extremely ready and able to wipe out and was great when it was dark as he was color blind and somehow that helped him sort out enemy from friend and camo was easier for him to spot out. His set of traits were bred specifically for the army. Tall, shoulders so wide you’d think he’s two people, size 12.5 shoes, 6 ft1 inches. Strong as an ox. Catcher who could’ve gone pro until he was called up to do his duty. I’m not sure if going to valley forge meant you were going to war? Or if he just wanted to do his duty. Whatever it was he served like a hero. . RIP Pop Pop.
@MarkHolzhauer_Holzy
@MarkHolzhauer_Holzy 5 лет назад
@@Cancoillotteman .....or WWII Japan
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 6 лет назад
Eisenhower was already pissed at Patton before the slapping incident. When the Patton invaded Sicily he had his troops so keyed up to shoot anything that moved they ended up shooting down the US Air Support in the worst case of American Friendly fire in all of WW2 and Eisenhower held Patton personally responsible for this. The slapping incident was just the straw that broke the Camels back. (Source The Second World War: Antony Beevor) Edited: To provide source.
@gumgumdookuin7963
@gumgumdookuin7963 6 лет назад
Worried Ben Carmine: Uuuh, friendly fire?
@teslashark
@teslashark 6 лет назад
Terry Allen thought of Patton as a millstone tied to everyone else, Teddy Roosevelt Jr seems to also have something against him too... He must have been difficult to operate alongside.
@USSAnimeNCC-
@USSAnimeNCC- 6 лет назад
It's is wrong that found this funny
@thurin84
@thurin84 6 лет назад
much of the fire actually came from naval ships conducting the invasion.
@WordBearer86
@WordBearer86 6 лет назад
I thought the worse case of friendly fire happened during that night time training exercise along the British coast with casualties among both British and American personnel. Not only was there friendly fire, but apparently a group of German Z boats came in and started torping the ships that were participating in the training. I think this was for a possible night time landing for D day I think, or it had happened just before dawn can't remember exactly the specifics of it all.
@Skyking67832
@Skyking67832 4 года назад
Interesting fact: One throw-away detail in the film shows Patton reading a book entitled A History of the Norman Conquests, as he was being flown into Normandy along with all the other "Spare Parts." The fact is, he really was reading that book, researching where all the ancient Roman roads in Northern France were so he could use them for his tanks. They were the only roads capable of allowing him to run the tanks at full speed and they were used as his line of advance, which explains why he was able to move so far and so fast the Germans couldn't stop him.
@fwcolb
@fwcolb 4 года назад
Interesting. Even in 1963 when I arrived in the UK as a graduate student in geography, UK roads could not support tanks. The rural roads were too narrow and not strong enough to support them. British roads were the best obstacle to invasion.
@user-xg8yy7yl1d
@user-xg8yy7yl1d 4 года назад
Amazing that roman roads held up with tanks driving over them thousands of years after being built. Probably overlooked by the Germans too who'd be focusing on the modern roads
@tehutibrim594
@tehutibrim594 4 года назад
Very good tidbit from the movie
@Skyking67832
@Skyking67832 4 года назад
@@user-xg8yy7yl1d Actually, considering the engineering the Romans put into their roads, which was advanced even by modern standards, it's not too surprising. Patton's skill as a historian made him the general he was. Why do you think the phrase "All roads lead to Rome" is more than just a stock phrase. They were renown for their engineering skill.
@dmathesonfvg
@dmathesonfvg 4 года назад
@@Skyking67832 Few people realize that Roman roads of the time were Asphalt over stone foundations. They were for smoother chariot rides. And at the height of the empire, relatively well maintained. (Until the Crazy Emperors took over, and raided the coffers. )
@Idahoguy10157
@Idahoguy10157 6 лет назад
I’ve never met a WW2 combat vet who liked the term “the good war’’.
@goldman77700
@goldman77700 5 лет назад
@LTrain 45 Wow that is more badass.
@timvanrijn8239
@timvanrijn8239 5 лет назад
a good war whouldnt end with halve a continet enslaved to ´´unitopian´´ dictators with a need for controle
@AudieHolland
@AudieHolland 4 года назад
@LTrain 45 Russian, or more correctly, Soviet losses in WW2 were about 20 million.
@Izzbrancuh77
@Izzbrancuh77 4 года назад
@@timvanrijn8239 They should have let Patton go after them. We could have avoided the cold war if he did so. It would have been bloody, but maybe not as bloody as communism during the rest of the 20th century ended up being. Instead he was killed because he knew too much and didn't conform to the globalists.
@lynnwood7205
@lynnwood7205 4 года назад
@@NormanMStewart One of my uncles was in an US Army unit that over ran a death camp. He would only say that they helped liberate it and would talk no further of it. He went to college, graduated, married, had a successful career and loving family but of some of his life he would not talk of.
@steampunksamp80
@steampunksamp80 4 года назад
That acting is so good, “Rommel you magnificent bastard I READ YA BOOK!!” Had me laughing too hard, he fits it really well
@Torus2112
@Torus2112 6 лет назад
From a narrative perspective I liked how they handled Eisenhower. The fact that we never see him combined with the way they always talk about him honestly reminds me of how people talk about God, which I imagine isn't too far off the mark for the time.
@HPaulHonsinger
@HPaulHonsinger 4 года назад
Along those lines, Patton would refer to Ike in his (known to be censored) mail to his wife as "Divine Destiny." As in, "if Devine Destiny grants my wish," etc. Obviously, this comes from Ike's given names, "Dwight David."
@TheOlesarge
@TheOlesarge 4 года назад
Interesting take.
@Seisoks
@Seisoks 2 года назад
Not american. Eisenhower was so respected that some politician asked him to (coup) run for president again. He denied. Many american generals were honorable men. American have greatest military system with people putting their country first. Not like Bush American.
@iammrbeat
@iammrbeat 6 лет назад
I'll finish this epic video by the end of the week. Happy birthday!
@alcatraz1018
@alcatraz1018 3 года назад
mr breast can u give me money
@leannefresquez3490
@leannefresquez3490 3 года назад
@@alcatraz1018 that's not Mr Beast
@alcatraz1018
@alcatraz1018 3 года назад
@@leannefresquez3490 It's a joke, whenever you see a Mr. Beat comment you also respond to it with that.
@leannefresquez3490
@leannefresquez3490 3 года назад
@@alcatraz1018 I see
@wildercain1026
@wildercain1026 3 года назад
instablaster.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer 4 года назад
The reason that Patton enforced uniform code was to create discipline. My dad, 6th Armored, was in dirty grease stained tanker overalls. He hadn't shaved in a week or so. He was riding a liberated French bike, out scrounging for food. General Patton came rolling up the road in a M4 Sherman. From the German end of the road! His tank was painted gloss OD. His stars prominently displayed on the front. My Dad fully expected a loud reprimand. Instead General Patton asked where his CO was. Dad told him. The General asked why they were stopped. Dad explained the German's held the next village and they were waiting for orders. The General barked back he had just came from from the village and there weren't any Germans in the village. Told my Dad to get his tanks fired up and ready to move! Five minutes later, orders came to move from a thoroughly chastised company commander. Yep, true story. The general loved his fighting troops.
@Seisoks
@Seisoks 2 года назад
Patton literally stole fuel for his troops and always right behind his troops. He loved and stick by his troops. Maybe that why they rekt through enemy line.
@bufu254
@bufu254 6 лет назад
Patton last words was ARTILLERY ONLY
@Garhunt05
@Garhunt05 6 лет назад
No it would be *tanks only*
@bufu254
@bufu254 5 лет назад
@@Garhunt05 nah mate to easy for someone like him he liked a good challenge
@Garhunt05
@Garhunt05 5 лет назад
@@bufu254 he liked a challenge but he is known for tanks. Also seizing territory with only tanks is very difficult
@bufu254
@bufu254 5 лет назад
@@Garhunt05 well true and true
@johnholmes2397
@johnholmes2397 5 лет назад
I know he said that we helped the wrong side win....
@eldorados_lost_searcher
@eldorados_lost_searcher 6 лет назад
Not enough bling on that uniform, that facial hair is problematic, your cover was off-center, and how can you even see without your issued BCG's? Drop down and push that floor until I'm tired!
@whoareyou1034
@whoareyou1034 6 лет назад
I fear if his distant relative who this video is about would fine him or want to have to shot or something
@panosfasoul699
@panosfasoul699 6 лет назад
He's a soldier! 20 dollar fine!
@BountyFlamor
@BountyFlamor 6 лет назад
and don't forget to POLICE THAT MUSTACHE! COMPLY WITH THE GROOMING STANDARD! That reminds me: you could review Generation Kill from 2008 about the Iraq War.
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 6 лет назад
+Garret LeBuis It's not even the correct form of uniform... Patton (in th Movie scene with the flag and fanfare) wore his parade dress ... not creased BDUs...
@Riceball01
@Riceball01 6 лет назад
Feno 3000 ACUs, not BDUs. Also, you're not supposed to press your ACU, or MCCUs for that matter, all of the successors to the BDU are supposed to be wash and wear, so no more starching the hell out of them and pressing them until they can stand up on their own.
@andrewjones1578
@andrewjones1578 6 лет назад
My grandfather was a S/Sgt leading a squad for the 8th Inf. Rgt. Intelligence and Reconnaissance Platoon during WWII who never really cared for films or TV. My Father remembers him storming out of a theater watching some war movie in the '50s angrily shouting, "That's not how war is!" and never saw another movie. Or he would have, until the movie Patton. Grandpa had served with the 4th Infantry Division since 1940(back when it was a motorized division) and was there for the Louisiana Maneuvers with Patton and admired his style. As far as Grandpa was concerned, this was the one movie he saw that got it right.
@leonardotavaresdardenne9955
@leonardotavaresdardenne9955 4 года назад
Would like to see what your grandpa would have thought of Saving Private Ryan...
@aewhatever
@aewhatever 5 лет назад
It blew my mind when I first heard Patton's voice.
@cedricgist7614
@cedricgist7614 Месяц назад
Patton's voice: like hearing Mike Tyson or Bob Gibson speak. Oh, they all had grit, but the voice belies the, "don't mess with me," persona.
@brycew3804
@brycew3804 6 лет назад
YA BEARD IS OUT OF REG M8
@igoralekseyev3347
@igoralekseyev3347 4 года назад
Your moustache hairs is in violations of the grooming standard... POLICE THAT MOUSTACHE
@Aloysius2113
@Aloysius2113 4 года назад
@@igoralekseyev3347 moo-stache*
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 6 лет назад
In the book Panzer Commander: The Memoirs of Colonel Hans Von Luck. Von Luck say's Patton was known as the American Rommel. That is high praise from somebody that worked very closely with Rommel and revered him in the highest regard. I think this is important because there is a a myth that German soldiers didn't know who Patton even was. This may have been true on the Eastern Front but if they were on the Western Front they knew bloody damn well who old Blood and Gut's was.
@Cancoillotteman
@Cancoillotteman 6 лет назад
I guess the celebrity of Patton amongst German ranks can explain partly why he was chosen for operation Fortitude : the best decoy is the shinest.
@Cadian045
@Cadian045 6 лет назад
I’ve heard different sources from German records stating that German High Command had never heard of General Patton throughout the entire war
@crimfan
@crimfan 6 лет назад
I'm pretty sure they had dossiers on all senior officers in opposing forces. Whether they were as obsessed with him as Americans like to think... no clue there.
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault 6 лет назад
Patton wasnt known, OKW had know real intel on minor generals. Hans Von Luck was just using Pattons fame as a way to sell his book.
@derpimusmaximus8815
@derpimusmaximus8815 6 лет назад
Operation Fortitude succeeded because MI5 had spent years capturing and/or turning every German agent in Britain, so that every report received by the Germans from an agent within the UK had in fact been written by a British Intelligence agent, to provide an accurate enough picture of the hoax to not just tie up forces in the Pas de Calais, but 13 divisions in Norway.
@josersandoval
@josersandoval 5 лет назад
I had no idea Cypher served. I must sincerely thank you for your sacrifice, you and of those who have served.
@Ranillon
@Ranillon 5 лет назад
Half ironically, recent research into General Marshall's papers produced a copy of a memo that Eisenhower sent to Patton around early '44 where Ike basically told Patton that if he messed up just ONE MORE TIME his career was OVER. In other words, before Patton had the chance to redeem himself in the Normandy breakout, he came as close as he could to ruin without crossing the line. This fact also makes one wonder just how much Eisenhower went to bat for Patton. Maybe he did and the real reason Patton was given that one last chance was because Eisenhower fought for him - but perhaps not. That said, It is true that Patton was indirectly responsible for helping save and then make Eisenhower's career. In the '20s Ike came perilously close to being thrown out of the army on an accusation of committing fraud (he tried to get a housing supplement to his income he actually did not deserve). Part of the reason he dodged that bullet was being moved out of his current assignment with Patton helping Ike get connected with Fox Conner, an older, skilled soldier who arguably became Ike's greatest mentor. Conner took a real interest in Eisenhower and helped to teach him the skills that allowed Ike to turn around and ace the Command and Staff college (Patton also apparently helped by giving him his old notes) - which was when Eisenhower's career really began to takeoff. So, Ike clearly owed Patton a debt, so I am inclined to think he really did go to bat for him, but perhaps more research will make this matter clear.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer 4 года назад
Eisenhower was more politician than soldier. Provide Patton and Eisenhower identical opposing forces. Eisenhower would be tarred and feathered.
@Ranillon
@Ranillon 4 года назад
John Rodrigues Eisenhower’s job WAS effectively to be a politician and strategic mind. However, while Patton was certainly better on the tactical and perhaps operational level, I submit that Eisenhower would have been far better in Patton’s job than vice versa. Don’t dis Eisenhower- he was in charge of the western allies and they did win.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer 4 года назад
@@Ranillon look at the Battle of the Bulge. Patton advocated driving across the base of the Bulge. This would have trapped over 100000 Germans. Eisenhower elected to push them back to their lines. This was a gross tactical and strategic mistake.
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer 4 года назад
@@Ranillon I stand by my statement
@Seisoks
@Seisoks 2 года назад
I had read only 3 books on Patton, Eisen and Mac Arthur. It seems like Patton was one of the old blood who was respected by many at the time. Daring and dependable with tendency to war monger. History would be different if he didnt died early. Most literature put him down as useful but hot head idiot. I doubt they dare write if he was alive.
@oceanberserker
@oceanberserker 6 лет назад
I have got the weirdest luck. You're distantly related to Ol' Blood and Guts, my Great Uncle William actually rode with him in the 3rd. Here's a little tidbit for you in regards to the movie, you remember that scene where he says to his dog, 'You're name's not William, it's Willie!' When I was a kid and watched the movie with him, he said that's exactly Patton said to him, word for word, when he got pulled to the side by him to reprimand him and he asked for my Great Uncle's name, lol! It really IS a small world!
@Timasion
@Timasion 5 лет назад
Patton was one of the oddest and most contradictory generals in US history. Also, the most successful.
@williamgoo7621
@williamgoo7621 6 лет назад
What a plot twist towards the end of your review. 😂 While many movies mystify the protagonists, this one, together with your review, actually makes Patton looks like an average human-being no different from you and me. I have not watched this movie before but guess I will do so after your review.
@warhawk638
@warhawk638 6 лет назад
That reveal, tho.
@tylerlastofthehonkytonkpia8106
@tylerlastofthehonkytonkpia8106 4 года назад
Your Grandfather married into the Los Angeles Young family? Holy crap man! You and I are distantly related. It is a small world.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 4 года назад
Interesting. Didn't think we spread out that much, especially when Joe Jr. and Great Uncle Lee died childless
@KTChamberlain
@KTChamberlain 6 лет назад
I thank you for your service, Cypher, both as a veteran and as a history buff.
@roberthitchman
@roberthitchman 5 лет назад
Here’s a list of movies I’d like you to review for historical accuracy: 1. The battle of Britain. 2. The longest day. 3. A bridge too far. 4. Black Hawk down. 5. The great escape. 6. Fury. 7. Midway. 1976 8. Glory. Thanks
@ciarandinsmore879
@ciarandinsmore879 4 года назад
Robert Hitchman TORA! TORA! TORA!
@maverick8697
@maverick8697 4 года назад
We were soldiers, Generation kill, Band of brothers.
@gonuts4donuts
@gonuts4donuts 4 года назад
Hamburger Hill
@johngoerger8996
@johngoerger8996 4 года назад
BRIDGE TO FALL. Nail on the HEAD..Some incidents had to be compressed. Incident of the Sgt pulling his .45 spot on.. A "hearing" was convened in England a few weeks (2?) after failed Market Gardens..all charges were dropped aganist the Sgt. According to the text A BRIDGE TO FAR..the doctor talked to the Sgt & asked him; "..would u have shot me?" The Sgt stood straight & tall, saluted the Doctor rotating on his feet & left the Hearing room The Lt (Captain?) Woke up in a hospital in England about a few days later witg just a headache
@andym9571
@andym9571 2 года назад
Well 3 , 4 and 5 took huge liberties with the truth to be able to sell to an American audience
@JustanOlGuy
@JustanOlGuy 3 года назад
My Father taught me at a young age that War is a Racket, Coming from an Army Air Corps/ Air Force Lifer, Spec Ops Medic, I took him at his word!
@donmcmannamy3409
@donmcmannamy3409 4 года назад
My father met Patton during war games before WW2, he did not think to highly of Patton (that was an understatement)
@donmcmannamy3409
@donmcmannamy3409 4 года назад
My dad also was awarded a medal from him during the same wargames as well
@455Transam
@455Transam 2 года назад
Why didn't he think highly of him?
@michealcormier2555
@michealcormier2555 6 лет назад
I visited General Patton's grave in Luxembourg on Memorial Day 1992. I was surprised with just how simple it was. What distinguished it from the rest at the American Cemetery was that his Marker was facing the rest of the interred soldiers there as if he were at eternal inspection of the troops. I also got to stay at the Patton Hotel in Garmisch(?) Germany during Christmas. Being an Air Force Brat gave me a lot of opportunities to see a lot of things in Europe between '88 and '92.
@peterbanderas8184
@peterbanderas8184 5 лет назад
Funny enough the French loved Patton so much they offered to bury him in the same tomb as Napoleon. But it was decided that the best place for him was with his men.
@ethantanner4954
@ethantanner4954 6 лет назад
I think my favorite historian is you. Yes, you cypher, for obvious reasons. You really tell the truth and get into the grit. Amazing stuff .
@TheCoffeehound
@TheCoffeehound 6 лет назад
I suppose that would make us distant relations, also. Duane Patton, my grandfather's brother, served in 3rd Army as a medic. He landed at Le Harve in December of 1944, and served in the 1252nd Medical Detachment.
@BillMarion
@BillMarion 6 лет назад
"un-omits" I shall use it. It shall be mine. It's a thing a now. I just hit the edit button to add, this is a great video. I've watched several of your videos. Like all lovers of history, sometimes I'm cheering you on, and sometimes I'm screaming at the screen. That's why I keep coming back. I enjoyed this video, not because I agree or disagree (cause really, who cares lol) but its pacing is teaching some things which isn't easy in my 40's! I admit, however, the content doesn't hurt either. I mean, come on, it's Patton! Not that your hurting for subs, but you earned another one today. Great video! Looking forward to the next video!
@stephenlarson9422
@stephenlarson9422 5 лет назад
patton was the only movie that both my father and grandfather went and saw together, grampa was a mechanic in the usaaf, crew chief on a b26 bomber he hated patton, everytime he got too far ahead they had to send in the bombers to get shot up
@GentTX
@GentTX 4 года назад
wow my image of Patton has been forever changed after hearing his real voice. G.C.S. really warped our preception
@awesomeinspector5270
@awesomeinspector5270 6 лет назад
Well I'm at least glad you took the time to watch it. And WHOO! Shoutout for the Inspector!
@RichGilpin
@RichGilpin 4 года назад
Love your review. Thank you. I served under Col. Patton commander of the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment (Blackhorse) in Vietnam 1968-1969. Instantly recognized your shoulder patch of course. Saw this movie after returning from Vietnam while intoxicated, which I was a lot for those first few years back due to PTSD. Loved it because of the honest way it was made and the way the general was portrayed. Took me a while in Vietnam but I understood better afterward why Patton Jr. (not official designation) was so strict. He rode over our deployment to the field column of armor handing out article 15's for lack of helmets or flack jackets unzipped. I saw on a later mission a man on a the vehicle in front of me die because his flack jacket was unzipped. Later yet (in 1995) I returned to Vietnam and in our group of vets was a Cav vet who had a private talk with the colonel due to being assessed an article 15 for a loose M-16 observed on his vehicle. Colonel Patton showed him the famous pearl handled revolver of his father's and treated him as a son. Good work!
@firefightergoggie
@firefightergoggie 6 лет назад
One of the greatest things I ever heard about this movie was a story my uncle told me. He went to see the movie and saw a line of excited hippies waiting to get in. He said even the hippies wanted to be like General Patton.
@rmas32
@rmas32 6 лет назад
Another great video. From one history nerd to another it's much appreciated. Thank you for sharing your family history as well! Very cool!
@ed008ue
@ed008ue 6 лет назад
Patton is a hell of a movie!!! Review the counterpart movie, Tora, Tora, Tora (1970)
@picklerix6162
@picklerix6162 4 года назад
OK, so we need to have a drinking game for the movie Patton. You have to down your beer every time Monty, Ike, or Rommel is mentioned.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 4 года назад
Drunk just thinking of it
@leightodd7335
@leightodd7335 4 года назад
I'm so glad I found your channel young man. I think you did a really good job explaining this movie. Your connection to the family just makes it more personal and ironic at the same time. Just like life is. Messy, depressing, glorious, flawed, amzing, beautiful, stinky, and so on. I think it's one of the great movies and especially if you take into account when it was made and what was going on in the country. I look forward to watching much more of your content.
@joes7763
@joes7763 6 лет назад
I think it would be interesting to see the Pancho Villa campaign, to my knowledge there are no movies that show this history
@AudieHolland
@AudieHolland 6 лет назад
An episode of Young Indiana Jones shows Indy meeting Pancho Villa. At first young Indy is taken prisoner by some Mexican rebels who intend to shoot their prisoners. Then Pancho Villa arrives on the scene, starts berating his men for what they have become. Then he frees the prisoners and some Mexican rebel whispers to Indy: ah, the boss is in one of his emotional moods (informing us that Villa probably usually had no problem with having prisoners shot). After traveling along with Villa for some time, Indy and a few Mexican friends visit a local town's bar. There they spot an arrogant American officer who is toasting to the US of A: "God Bless America. And death to all its enemies… Especially that low-life of a Pancho Villa..." One of Indy's Mexican rebel friends takes exception, draws his revolver but before he can shoot, Patton shoots him dead. Indy and his friends hurriedly leave the scene.
@AudieHolland
@AudieHolland 6 лет назад
*Johnny Dominguez* I think that depiction in Young Indiana Jones was meant as a parody, a charicature. It was also in shot in a saloon setting so young Patton became the stranger that had just arrived in town, ready to pick a fight.
@grafenr.3405
@grafenr.3405 5 лет назад
Thank you for your service. I did my basic training at Ft. Knox back in 1982 C-18-4 hardcore.
@Willisthatgoproyguy
@Willisthatgoproyguy 5 лет назад
This was really good. As someone who likes history, learning more about the military, and having listened to the Patton them off and on for three years at 0600, I definitely appreciate your breakdown on this subject. You just got a new subscriber, too.
@caseyjones8203
@caseyjones8203 2 месяца назад
Patton was Patton, he loved and lived military. He had one thing in mind, he had a destiny which drove him to the brink of insanity, but thanks to WWII he excelled to brilliancy. He drove the victory in WWII, despite some contraversy.
@bobmiller3627
@bobmiller3627 6 лет назад
"What do you think this is son, the French Foreign Legion!!! Shave that damn beard, stand up straight, twist my nipples! Do you get me!?!"
@mrdoormat6809
@mrdoormat6809 3 года назад
"Our Blood, His Guts" Jeeze, story of alot of soldiers out there.
@artkoenig9434
@artkoenig9434 4 года назад
Well done, sir! You have your job with humor and accuracy. I especially enjoyed your laying your cards on the table at the end of the presentation. Thank you!
@wehrmeister
@wehrmeister 4 года назад
Enjoyed your comments on the movie, one of my favorites. I will never forget seeing it for the first time, as a 9-10 year old Army brat, where my Dad was stationed at Baumholder in Germany. My Mom would give me money take my younger sister to watch matinees at the base theater, which seemed like a long hike from our housing to the theater. Funny to think watching as it was rated GP, which was "All ages admitted - Parental guidance suggested. [Sometimes a disclaimer would say "This film contains material which may not be suitable for pre-teenagers"]" So glad we weren't turned away! I remember being enthralled with the movie, and being impressed with the heroics involved in the story, the violence kind of went over my head at that age. It solidified my love with the military, which led me to join the Air Force. My Dad, just coming back from two tours in Vietnam before we went to Germany, wouldn't sign for me to join the Army or Marines when I signed up for Delayed Enlistment in high school, just turning 17. What a neat note to learn that you're related to General Patton, a heritage to be proud of, no matter how distant the relationship!
@markholm6955
@markholm6955 4 года назад
This is also one of my favorite films. It is a great character study. There things that I really mis in the film - but not necessary also. I really wish they could have the Battle of Arracourt in the film - it was one, of not the biggest, the biggest real tank on tank battles in the ETO - and tank warfare is what Patton’s speciality. However I don’t see how it would really help the picture. But it is kind of jarring to jump from the Battle of the Bulge to the end of the war. FYI on a historical note - my Dad was captured in the Battle of the Bulge. However he was liberated by Patton’s Army - he was so happy, he said back then he was going to name his 1st born son after Patton. Well that part never happened - because - I was n’t born until the tail end of the baby boom. It was only after I was the film, in the theaters, and started reading every book I could on Patton - he told me that bit of information. He was not one to talk about his time fighting in the ETO. I found out much later in my life about a few very ugly incidents durning his time fighting - so I totally understood why. However as something me with a great interest in history - especially WW2 - I sure wish he could have told me more about his experiences in WW2.
@Knutwolf
@Knutwolf 5 лет назад
You are so tenacious, so thorough in your research and presentations, that I have come to fully trust your assessment of any historical topic or movie over the years. I don’t think our political leanings quite align. It doesn’t really matter. You serve the quest for truth more than any political affiliation, which gives your films such gravitas. Keep up the good work with both your studies and you RU-vid channel.
@charlesratcliff2016
@charlesratcliff2016 5 лет назад
I have spoken to veterans who served under Patton. I asked if George C. Scott got Patton the character right I was told yes
@michaeldavidmontalvo2402
@michaeldavidmontalvo2402 4 года назад
Cool!!
@austenbin4068
@austenbin4068 6 лет назад
Very cool video! Good job, dude. The one thing I would disagree with you on is the battlefield aftermath scene. I always to the: "God help me, I love it so!" as something of a regret. I think he deeply loved being a soldier and a general in command of troops in combat, but seeing the devastation it rot on them, he felt very conflicted with himself in that moment. At least, that's how I think it fits in with the theme of the character in the movie. He didn't love the death, he loved the work and regretted the death it inevitably caused. There's the saying: "To be a good soldier you must love the Army. To be a good commander, you must be willing to order the death of the thing you love." That was my take on it anyway.
@fremenchips
@fremenchips 6 лет назад
I'd be curious as to how you classify Amadeus as fiction or bad history (yes it's based on Pushkin play, but that play was based on Salieri claiming after his breakdown that he did kill Mozart) as it's certainty not a bad movie. Amadeus is definitely the director using the history to explore the themes of genius, envy and the creative process.
@brianmead7556
@brianmead7556 6 лет назад
This is your best work so far, CynicHist. You really do war movies great.
@CheezeN7
@CheezeN7 Год назад
Loved this review. Obviously one of my favorite movies, and favorite generals of all time. You’ve earned a sub. Awesome that you share the mans name! Thank you for your service.
@Phalanx443
@Phalanx443 4 года назад
And the E-4 Mafia produces one of the best Patton History vids on RU-vid. Well done, brother, well done!
@HebaruSan
@HebaruSan 6 лет назад
"Go make fiction" Exactly my reaction to _The Terror_
@brianholmes1812
@brianholmes1812 4 года назад
As a bit of a newcomer to the channel, that ending was the greatest plot twist of all time
@nwcoastlife
@nwcoastlife 5 лет назад
My Dad was obsessed with this movie and so was my mother because she is and I am somehow related to George Patton (in some genetically insignificant way). Long before the days of Amazon Prime, once a year this movie would play on TBS and the whole family would be glued to the tv.
@JeffreyDeCristofaro
@JeffreyDeCristofaro 2 года назад
I just love your intro, really cracked me up! This was a film that I saw in my early-to-mid teens and my God has it aged SO well! That being said, I also agree with you about how Hollywood needs to "choose its battles" more properly when portraying a certain subject onscreen and consult its existing historical sources with the very best of humanly possible care and meticulous attention without resorting to tiresome fictionalized contrivance (unless it happens to be actual historical fiction to begin with, and even THAT acquires attention to detail and not going overboard in suspension of disbelief!), while at the same time not losing either its focus or audience interest. The ones that manage that balance with the barest minimum of inaccuracies or liberties taken while still being stand-alone cinematic masterpieces happen to be far fewer and further in between than the surviving soldiers storming the beaches of Normandy on D-Day.
@peterbanderas8184
@peterbanderas8184 5 лет назад
General Patton also created one of the last fencing styles for fighting with sabers. Unlike the previous styles where you slashed with the blade, his saber was designed to stab with the point, so his fighting style emphasized that.
@MartinSolomon
@MartinSolomon 4 года назад
[Nit pick] In the movie, it's not Zhukov, it's Katukov. Great scene.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 4 года назад
good of you to point it out. Could you time-stamp where I made that mistake?
@MartinSolomon
@MartinSolomon 4 года назад
​@@CynicalHistorian About 27:06 Whether the incident happened or not ( I know there was a reported exchange between Zhukov and Patton during a post-war military parade), or is based on any particular incident, I don't know, but in the movie the translator definitely refers to "General Katkov" ["real" spelling Katukov] ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-VW5TWYbgMGQ.html There was a real General Mikhail Katukov, also an armor commander, so it makes sense.
@williamthompson9116
@williamthompson9116 4 года назад
Dude i just found your channel and i love the work you do! Keep it up!
@jonathanramos902
@jonathanramos902 6 лет назад
Good video, and I didn't know you where a distant relative of Patton himself. That's amazing! You should be proud. I have a suggestion, you should do a video on schindler's list it's one of my personal favorites. It's gonna have a re release in theatres in December. So I think it's fitting to do a historical review of it. I know you mentioned it in another genocide film you did hotel Rwanda.
@ryans1234
@ryans1234 4 года назад
This man is the physical representation of Soldier from TF2
@lesleeherschfus707
@lesleeherschfus707 4 года назад
Have you ever thought of doing a collaboration with History Buffs? I would love to hear the back and forth on a historical movie between him and you
@itsthatoneguy5
@itsthatoneguy5 2 года назад
My grandfather was a tank commander in the 2nd Armored Div. (he was in North Africa, Sicily, France and was eventually wounded pre-Rhine campaign) from what my Uncle Buddy(a wild SoB himself) said he once was ambushed while going through a pass and Patton jumped in his tank and took out a flask of whiskey took a sip and handed it to my grandfather. My grandfather took a sip and was about to hand it to one of his fellow tankers when Patton grabbed the flask out of his hand and told him to “offer his own before mine”
@marbleman52
@marbleman52 6 лет назад
I was a Senior in H.S. in 1970. When I saw that Patton was playing in Dallas, I got in my Volkswagen Beetle and drove the approximate 40 miles from where I lived, to see it. I still remember that to this day. Thanks for the information..!!
@salokin3087
@salokin3087 6 лет назад
Glad you covered one of my favourite films about such a flawed but interesting character!
@Bandguy333415
@Bandguy333415 6 лет назад
This was a fantastic trek through Patton. Love your videos.
@croweman6515
@croweman6515 5 лет назад
Wait, you were a tanker? I NEVER KNEW THAT! Thanks for your service! My great-grandfather was a tanker in the Italian Campaign, though, it's hard to find stuff on the 755th tank battalion. Anyways, thank you.
@geoffcartertheoreticalstru6484
@geoffcartertheoreticalstru6484 4 года назад
Fascinating, excellent, insightful, and a unique, but very professional piece of work. thank you. It was an amazing film in context, one of my favourites growing up.
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 6 лет назад
I loved this movie. Thanks for finally doing a review on it!
@juniorthird7952
@juniorthird7952 5 лет назад
Why hasn't there been a recent ww2 movie about general Patton? He was ten times better than that dummy Eisenhower who got all the credit when he deserved none.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 5 лет назад
probably because nobody wants to try outperforming George C Scott's rendition
@HonoredGeneral
@HonoredGeneral 4 года назад
Robert Duvall played him in the '70's.."Ike:The War Years" and Tom Selleck played him in the '90's.
@treyward4480
@treyward4480 5 лет назад
Great review! I saw the movie as a kid and obsessed over it for years. While I was a college student, my sister was accepted to West Point. She sent me every book she could get her hands on at the bookstore there....thePatton Papers and many others. I hate the conspiracy stuff that has been presented by some authors such as”The Unknown Patton” and “Killing Patton” to name a few. Great job!!
@johndesjardins8404
@johndesjardins8404 4 года назад
The first unit, I served in after AIT was as a medic in 1976 with the 15th C.S.H known as 15th Evacuation Hospital during WWII. This was one of the field hospital where the Patton slapping incident happened. I see you're also was a member of 11th ACR. I was assigned as a medic with Regimental Surgeon Office HHT, 11th ACR from 1979 to 1982 in Fulda, FRG on boarder duty. After Fulda, I left the service and attended College at UCONN received my degree and returned to the Army as an officer. Retiring in 2001. Great video. Great movie. Viewed it many times on the Big Screen and it home.
@biglordebunnyrabbit627
@biglordebunnyrabbit627 5 лет назад
The Old Ironsides patch was the first I saw in basic. Never got one, but I did some high altitude training out there when I was with the 82d
@lunacarmin
@lunacarmin 6 лет назад
DUDE YOUR LAST NAME IS SUPER COOL!!
@hosseynshanbehzaadeh9342
@hosseynshanbehzaadeh9342 2 года назад
I'm from Iran and I even didn't know Gen. Patton before watching this movie. But now it's actually one of the best Hollywood movies of that era that I've ever seen.
@roboknight
@roboknight 4 года назад
You lucky bastard! You actually have a movie where you can relate to a past relative, however distant, or tenuous in the family tree. In addition, its a really good movie and a reasonable representation of actual historical events. Well, at least I got to talk to my grandfather, who was in North Africa, if only as an MP. Funny thing is, he actually had a demeanor like George C. Scott in Patton. At any rate, this was a good deep dive into this movie. Thank you.
@unclepatrick2
@unclepatrick2 5 лет назад
My favorite story relating to the movie Patton . Jack Nicolson who was nominated for a Best Actor award against George C Scott that year, said in a interview, "I knew Scott was going to win Best Actor as soon as I saw the opening scene in front of the Flag. Hell the movie could have just been that scene and Scott would have won."
@historyman2153
@historyman2153 6 лет назад
Hi Cypher Thanks So Much For Making This Video My Great Uncle Fought During WW2 North Africa D-day And Western Europe He Was Also General Patton's Chef
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 6 лет назад
If your great-uncle was the lead cook, Patton liked him, even wrote letters about how good the cooking was. He also fined your great-uncle a couple of times. That guy being fined in the video was a actually a depiction of him
@Baelor-Breakspear
@Baelor-Breakspear 3 года назад
The best part of this movie is his voice. George C Scott had a tough gravely voice but George Patton has a mousy voice. Imagine Patton giving that speech with a shy mousy voice? It would’ve been hilarious. I don’t know how those soldiers didn’t start laughing. Oh shit he mentioned it about the voice. That’s awesome he covered this.
@andrewrivera4029
@andrewrivera4029 4 года назад
You maybe as odd as Patton! Lol! That whistle walkout was a riot!
@thepolishnz
@thepolishnz 6 лет назад
RU-vid removing notifications again. had to click the bell again. so you know.
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez 6 лет назад
Great video, it's one of my favorite war films as well. Though I will say that you slightly made it sound like the Bonus Marchers incident was solely Pattons doings. He played a role but I blame Douglas McArther quite a bit for that. I might be a bit bias I admit. Had a great grandfather that might have been one of the marchers, and a grandfather who fought in the Philippines. Neither were big fans of MacArthur.
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 6 лет назад
I blame POTUS Hoover, rather than anybody commanding, but Patton brought tanks without orders. I'll be going into more depth in November in a couple episodes on veterans history
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez 6 лет назад
@@CynicalHistorian Ah that would be wonderful. It's a somewhat forgotten part of American history and not a particularly proud one at that. I can see Hoover being at fault since he was president. Though MacArthur did defie orders from Hoover and kept attacking because he said the marchers were trying to overthrow the government for communism. Ah well keep it up, this video was high quality indeed.
@crimfan
@crimfan 6 лет назад
Hoover and MacArthur, definitely. Patton was a subordinate, though as you say, he exceeded his orders. One of the leaders of the Bonus Army was a man who'd served with Patton in World War I, Joe Angelo, and indeed had saved his life, for which he'd received the DSC. This was not one of Patton's, or the US Army's finest moments. Getting MacArthur the heck out of Washington, D.C., in the 1930s (with a plum assignment as Field Marshal of the Philippines) was one of FDR's best moves.
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez
@LadyTylerBioRodriguez 6 лет назад
@@crimfan Everything about FDRs response was superior when the incident happened again. He sent Eleanor and gave them jobs in the New Deal, plus Congress just gave them the bonus. One marchers priceless comment was, "Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife."
@crimfan
@crimfan 6 лет назад
Yeah, Herbert Hoover is an example of how a highly competent technocrat frequently fails as a politician.
@mendellpatton3405
@mendellpatton3405 4 года назад
What an outstanding tribute to our common ancestor!! I wonder how we are related? The only real inaccuracy is brought out in Porter B. Williamson's book Patton's Principles. He was his personal aide and lived with the general and says at no time did he ever express a belief in reincarnation. A Most excellent production!!!
@ricksamericana749
@ricksamericana749 4 года назад
"Patton" was a combination of fact and legend. It overlooked the general's blunders, namely the "Task Force Baum" calamity. The biggest mistelling in the movie was his alleged rivalry with Field Marshall Montgomery. It was Omar Bradley who despised Montgomery, namely for taking part of his army during the Market Garden campaign. Patton didn't care for British Generals, but neither did most American officers. In fact, Patton got on with Montgomery as well as any American officer and better than a lot of English generals. Monty, had an I don't give a damn attitude that rubbed many of his peers, British and American the wrong way. However, Bradley never forgave Eisenhower or Montgomery for taking two of his divisions from him. When Patton died suddenly soon after the fighting in Europe had stopped, his diary was stolen and published in the press. In the diary, Patton was very critical of Omar Bradley. Bradley felt betrayed by Patton's lack of gratitude for helping Patton when he was in Ike's doghouse. Of course, Bradley was the principal technical advisor on the film. The movie could have just as rightly been called "Bradley". One last great misrepresentation of "Patton" was the Patton was the one general the German's feared most, myth There is simply no evidence that is true. In short, "Patton", a good movie but average history.
@basicallyhell4150
@basicallyhell4150 5 лет назад
Can the "dress sabers" that soldier's wear imwhile in dress uniform , could they be used as actual weapons ie carbon steel not stainless steel and sharp and so on .well could it just want to know just in case a zombie apocalypse happens
@CynicalHistorian
@CynicalHistorian 5 лет назад
it's rather pointy at the tip, but not sharp in the slightest elsewhere. My ceremonial saber would only be able to be used as a bludgeon. A bat would be a more effective weapon, though I have used the scabbard on a number of occasions to kill spiders hiding in the corners of ceilings
@basicallyhell4150
@basicallyhell4150 5 лет назад
@@CynicalHistorian i just noticed my amazing grammar
@deanbuss1678
@deanbuss1678 6 лет назад
Specialist Cyfar. Good job! Well worth watching the entire time.
@Deaddirewolf42
@Deaddirewolf42 5 лет назад
So my great grandfather served in Mexico with Patton. He was from the Ohio reserves not the regular army, but in my imagination, in ww2, when he sent off his sons to fight and die, he was proud of that young cavalry officer he served with. Thank you for this review.
@itubeutubewealltube1
@itubeutubewealltube1 6 лет назад
the donkey killing scene was the most powerful moment and turning point in the movie for me. Beginning as a comedic scene then abruptly ending with the killing and dumping just startled me and was unexpected. Watching the grief and bewilderment of the owner made me realize what an asshole and horrible person Patton was. He was basically doing the same thing to his own men. Absolutely no empathy for something that could of been fixed in a matter of minutes with some patience. From that point in the movie, I no longer saw patton as the misunderstood anti hero. I saw him as the villain.
@wesleyhite8203
@wesleyhite8203 4 года назад
'I feel sorry for our enemies, by God, l really do!' George S Patton.
@floraposteschild4184
@floraposteschild4184 6 лет назад
I'd like to see a biopic about General Joseph Stilwell. But it probably won't happen, because he wasn't a self-dramatizer, like Patton, MacArthur and others. And, well, he's a sensitive topic in China. Not sure what the current regime's position on him is, though.
@bodine57
@bodine57 5 лет назад
Indeed - a fascinating, complex military figure. If anyone's interested, Barbara Tuchman's "Stilwell and the American Experience in China: 1911-1945" is tremendous.
@MrHockeycrack
@MrHockeycrack 4 года назад
He is one of the extraordinary leaders in David Rooneys history book "Military Mavericks". Which was where a European like me came aware of him. And there are characters like Alexander the Great, Shaka Zulu, Garibaldi, Stonewall Jackson, Guderian, Patton, Wingate and Giap! Nice book, if you don't know much about those guys. Stilwell had very interesting views according to it. AFAIK there is a statue for him in China. He was a real fan of China and was even for a cooperation with Mao' s communists against Japan, and he disliked Chiang Kai-shek, so they should think high of him.
@WillN2Go1
@WillN2Go1 4 года назад
I worked with an old carpenter once who mentioned that he'd been in the 3rd Army during WWII. I then said, "What was that...." He cut me off. 'What was it like being under Patton -- the great general? Why'd he have to try and win the fucking war with just us? the British weren't doing anything except sucking up our supplies and sitting on their asses." That was worth a half dozen really good history books. He then told me about one time they thought they were in a quiet sector. He was walking up some stairs to sleep on the second floor of a farm house when German artillery started coming in. He dove or was thrown by a shock wave down the stairs. As he exited the farm house he saw a truck he decided to hide under. It blew up, then the house blew up. I enjoyed this movie when I finally got to see it. I was opposed to the Vietnam War which was still going on, supported and led by people who thought they were Patton. I think Patton was portrayed by Coppola's script, and by Patton's own actions and words, as an outrageous character. The bottomline I think of the movie in its contemporaneous context is if you're going to hire a general who should it be, a good company man who will follow policy, or a cold blooded killer. If you then go forward a few years, The Godfather, another Coppola script and direction, how were the Corleones different from those they opposed? The police and politicians were corrupt, the other mobsters just thugs, the Corleones had a set of values and trade practices that they kept to. It's very much the same as Patton!. Then Apocalypse Now!, total chaos, they get in a battle then they're at a USO show then another battle zone. Welcome to the Vietnam War. The statements of principle and practice in this movie were, Martin Sheen "I wasn't even in their army anymore" and "Never get out of the boat! Never get out of the boat!" The only guy having a clear success Colonel Kurtz had lost his mind. My father at about the time Patton! came out showed me a flyer for a VFW event featuring John Wayne. I was very much against the war, Nixon and all that nonsense. Meet John Wayne? Hell yeah. But I looked closer, it was some right wing propaganda movie narrated by John Wayne -- he wouldn't be there. No thanks. I knew about the most left wing guy in Hollywood Haskell Wexler the cameraman. He knew John Wayne, shot a lot of TV commercials with the Duke. They got along great. Haskell said that one time 'Wayne took about three steps and said something racist about blacks, something anti-feminist, anti-gay in one breath." I think the only politics you could deduce from how someone responds to some movies is not that they're right or left but that they have imagination, a sense of humor or they don't have either.
@ronniebishop2496
@ronniebishop2496 3 года назад
I think the thing that shocked me out of my mind was that poem Patton wrote, I can’t imagine any general writing something that wonderful insightful and genius, but he did. Read it. Part of it is in this movie.
@tomjewell7759
@tomjewell7759 2 года назад
Read Grant's autobiography. Brilliant writing.
@Rikalonius
@Rikalonius 6 лет назад
I was mad at first when I saw you in uniform. That went away, when I realized you were actually a veteran. This was a great video and I think your take on Patton the man and the film were spot on. I appreciate your diligence. It is one of my favorite movies as well.
@Chriscaf24
@Chriscaf24 6 лет назад
22:00 Patton is ruined now
@armon-wu1tl
@armon-wu1tl 6 лет назад
Awesome video as always, big fan of your channel and of the movie. I do have a question, perhaps you can point me to some references. You mentioned in this episode and another episode about the best "Based on a True Story." Actually, every time you've mentioned the movie Patton, you've credit Francis Ford Coppola as the director or "unofficial" director. For what it's worth, I'm an amateur film historian and have been intrigued by this from the moment you spoke of this. I have been unsuccessful to dig up anything that would even remotely suggest this. Nobody that was tied to production made this claim, nobody connected to the film either. Not even Coppola himself, during the life or after the death of Franklin J. Schaffner, has ever alluded to having a hand in production other than the initial rejection of his script that you've mentioned. I can't find one production picture that featured Coppola. Not even sure if he was on the set. It's common practice then (a little more lenient now, but still...) that writers were paid and that was that, rarely are writers present during production. Anything to steer me to the correct info would greatly be appreciated. Please understand, I think the script is astounding, it's so well written that I wish, hope, this to be true. That being said, Franklin Schaffner was no slouch. Coming off the highly successful Planet of the Apes, years of TV experiences, made Nicholas and Alexandra, Papillon, The Boys from Brazil, all with Oscar nods. (No angry moth voices please, LOL) Not here defend him or his body of work, just looking for historical facts to help me legitimize handing the director credit to Coppola. Thanks.
@Animalwon
@Animalwon 4 года назад
Excellently done video- I appreciate all your research and fact-checking on one of my favorite George C. Scott movies! Plus you were quite entertaining!
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