Dude. I've been 3D printing for over 10 years with FDM. Last year, I got my first resin printer, and I've all but given up on it because of all the failed prints and lack of true understanding of supports. Well, I've watched TONS of videos and still never grasped the full concept of it. That was, until your video. THANK YOU for breaking this down like this. I actually left here UNDERSTANDING how supports are used in resin prints. I'm going to fire her up tomorrow morning and give it a go! Thank you again, for this amazing, very well taught lesson on supports!
There's another reason for hole punching a hollow object and that is to allow for breathing during the printing process. When the hollow print lifts from the fep it might have to fight extra vacuum within the hollow room. Punching a small hole close to the build plate will allow breathing and relieve any vacuum pressure. :) Just wanted to share that
About to get my first 3D printer ever, an Elegoo Mars, and this video is definitely one I can see being of great help in moving forward into this new hobby. Thanks so much for your hard work. 👍😁👍
Very helpful video, I just got into 3d printing about 2 weeks ago and I was printing a whole lot of support using the automatic chitubox support option. It's so nice to now know how to support correctly!
this is great! i just printed a bust of Halo's Master Chief on a Phrozen Sonic Mini with your technique and it turned out REALLY well. thanks for the tips!
Trying this now and works very well. After fixing all islands, I re-slice and re-loaded into the Photo File Validator again to confirm the support additions actually went into the correct position and it reports zero islands detected.
If you have some exotic printer that isn't supported by Chitubox (e.g. a Photon S with the new firmware that only supports .pws), you can slice as .cbddlp after tweaking printer dimensions, then *import it back* into Chitubox. It will rebuild a 3D model (made of cubes) from it, which you can then export as .stl for whatever slicer you have to use to get the final file. You can double or quadruple the horizontal resolution for better precision or if you want to use anti-aliasing for the final slicing. Alternatively, you can export an .stl right away (after adding supports and all that), but e.g. Photon Workshop is said to not like the hollowing that Chitubox does.
After a day of failed prints (stuck to the FEP) this was great, I learned so much, (i also ordered PTFE spray). Thank you! Can't wait to try again tomorrow!
@@andreafreeman6396 I got it to work with and without the spray, it was a matter of getting the right settings, and using NFEP, only fails i have to deal with now are my own (i.e. bad supports)
@@Metroidf4n Nice! Well that’s helpful to know . I’m new to this so I still have to dial everything in, but similar to you, I’m dealing with FEP adhesion. I’m going to take it back to square one and try re-leveling the bed or a longer bottom exposure time. :) Hoping that works! Thanks!
This video has been invaluable! Im leaving FDM printing for models and switching to resin, and boy oh boy its a whole new ball game but this video answered SO many questions. I literally have to think about uncured resin getting stuck in the print - wow. But its half the fun learning these technique's and mastering their application. Im slicing while I wait for the printer in the mail.
I work with industrials 3D printers like EOS, 3D Systems and such with various powder based materials. I like how you went through and showed how to minimize supports. Over supporting models can cause issues as well since you are using so much more resin, time, and clean up. I just recently got my own resin printer, Elegoo Saturn 8K and ran a pre supported model and it came off easy but I saw missing features here and there. very informative video even though its a few years old. :D
Great video! Showed me not only how to use the Photon Validator for other printers, buy also that I am using waaaaaay too much supports... no wonder I've never had a failure so far (just finished my firsts 500 cc of resin, about 25 models printed in different sizes.
Thanks for this. Very helpful, although isn't this just the same workflow from your first video? The only difference is that you don't save and reimport the file, but otherwise you're going through the same steps within the validator, or am I missing something? Edit: seems like you just have to run the Fix twice and everything works fine.
Thank you for this excellent video. It really helped me to learn about islands and how to properly support my models since I'm new to resin printing. So far I've gotten several successful prints. You've earned a like and a new subscriber, quality content here.
Would like to see another option for supports that aren't just vertical. Some of the models seem they would do well with tangential supports from side of other strut rather than a single stand that starts at bottom of print.
If you run 'auto fix' in Photon File Validator, that fix doesn't carry over to your model, so when you do the final slice of the model, those pixels are still there and were not removed. NOTE: The Photon File Validator has a 'pencil tool'! You can use it to connect a small island to the rest or you can just erase the island if the next layer has a good connection to the rest. Just click on the red spot and a zoomed in view appears and you can edit the layer. However, if you use the 'pencil tool' to edit, use it as a final step. The steps to take when using Photon File Validator: 1) Open, scale and position your model in Chitubox 2) add supports manually 3) slice model and save 4) open the sliced data into The Photon File Validator 5) run auto fix (this doesn't remove those pixels from your model sitting in Chitubox) 6) go through the remaining layers one at a time and skip over those layers for now that you can fix with the pencil tool later. 7) otherwise add supports to your model where needed by going back and forth between Chitubox and the File Validator. 8) once you have added all the supports, slice the model and Save. 9) now, open the new sliced file in The Photon File Validator. 10) run auto fix again 11) go through the remaining layers that need fixing and edit those with the pencil tool. 12) should be done at this point. NOTE that these edits don't change the model you have open in Chitubox. 13) so you need to save and use the The Photon File Validator file to print from. On any printer?...no idea.
Thanks for this, but I have a question. If you don't save your product through the PFV, then all pertinent fixes it made to reduce your number of islands are not fixed and still there. For me and my EPAX, I follow your method. But in the end of fixing, I still send the ChiTu files back through PFV and fix the ones I personally didn't support due to PFV's initial fixes. Doesn't this make sense?
Just got a Resin Printer because I need to make parts that are strong in all directions. Any chance you would make Resin 3D Printer Videos about: 1) Comparison of Plant Based,Water Washable, or Eco Resins 2) Comparison of Cleaning Products for the Eco Resins. 3) Comparison of Ultrasonic Cleaners vs Mixing type Cleaners with different cleaning products for the Eco Resins. 4) Curing Time & Hardness with different Wavelengths of Lights. ex. LED Grow Lights 600nm red / 450nm blue vs the Recommended 405nm violet.
It's worth noting that the current release build of Photon Validator is a bit dated. The source code has significant updates to autofix islands. If you have a friend that knows how to compile code it's worth grabbing the latest source and using that.
Thanks! I was publishing this as an update from my previous video I did 6 months ago... I have had lots of questions and just wanted to get it out there to the masses!
3DPrintFarm not a criticism buddy - it’s a great video and covers in detail the workflow really well (much more user friendly than a wall of text on Facebook ) 👍
Will the file validator run chitubox ver. 7? Aaaaaand, I went to the link and I'm not sure how to download it to my laptop. I'm a big-time beginner in all things computers and printing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I mean I don't even know how to rename files or how to change them. I just ordered a photon mono se and am still waiting on it. which is why I am trying to learn as much as possible before it gets here. your channel is really informative and I'm so glad I found it. Please for the love of god help. That is if you have the time and understand my question. The file validator looks most like something I will need. Thanks for taking the time to read this and have a blessed day. ----Anxious Newbie Printer and Computer enthusiast
The problem is that you can't really determine the suction force and if you don't have enough supports, the print could fail. But making models hollow can help.
Awesome video! How do you know where the number is, look for an island? When you said, 503, here is 504, was that because you saw the island or was there something to lead you to that area? I've had one I can't find the island for nothing....Thanks!!
Great video and workflow - but your title is a little misleading - it doesn't work with ANY resin printer. I have a Elfin 2 NOVA 3D printer... hopefully Chitubox will support my printer one day.
Do you HAVE to have the settings set to Elegoo Mars? I only own the Photon S and don't have any settings for the Mars, nor were there any presets included in Chitubox when I downloaded it. I can't get the Photon File Validator working with how I'm currently slicing and saving things with the Photon S settings. The PFV is stuck in a perpetual 'loading file'. Unless theres something that I've failed to download and install along with the program I'm completely lost.
You should put a hole at the beginning of the print so you don't create a vacuum/suction and lessen the force required to separate the model from the FEP during the print.
@@ArchangelRazia Yes the Prusa slicer is very good. best way is slicing in prusa export with supports to chitubox, than Photon File Validator. Maybe in 1 of 10 you will find a area with more than one pixel.
I always had problems with the File Validator step until tonight. I have a 4k monitor and need to use the UI scaling, but that didn't play nice with the little popup that shows up in ChituBox that shows exactly what layer you're on, usually cutting off the bottom 7/8th's of the layer number. Quick tip for people using ChituBox (hence now referred to as CTB because laziness), on a 4k monitor and use Window's UI scaling: Navigate to your installation file for CTB, find the executable (.exe) file, right click and go to properties. In the window that pops up, look for and click on the "Compatibility" tab. Close to the bottom of that page should be a button that says "Change high DPI settings", click it. When the new window pops up, close to the bottom of that window just check the "Override High DPI scaling behavior." checkbox There's a dropdown menu below it labelled something like "Scaling performed by:", change it to be either the "System" or "System (Enhanced)" option. Now the layer numbers display perfectly! :D Thanks again mate, I really love this channel and it's completely underrated for the value it's provided. You're the first channel I refer people to when they tell me they're just starting out in 3d printing.
just a question the support of the "eyelid" why did you choose to have it standing on the model and not from an angle really far away? Is this better practise or not?
How bad is it to use the auto-support function in chitubox? It’s always worked great for me. Sometimes I can even go in and delete some of them, but most of the time I don’t have to. What am I missing here? Or is it just kind of a prestige thing?
So as I understand it; the Photon File Validator has a mechanism which fixes minor (1px) errors automatically but it cannot fix the larger ones. So you run the validator, it finds ALL errors, it fixes MINOR errors (leaving major ones) and then you go back to ChiTuBox and support those major errors (leaving the minor ones, which aren't a serious issue) in place?
Hey Printfarm, thanks for this helpful Video! But there is one open question for me: What's happening with all these unsupported 1-pixel islands. That will be cured in the vat, right? Is ther any problems with it after time? Thanks for your help! Keep up the good work. Greetings Mike
Hi! Ordered a Photon Mono today and never before had a resin printer in my hands.. Did you have a video where every setting is a little bit described? Like off time, bottom layer time .. Kind regards
So these supports are stronger than one would assume? IE If I suspend an average sized 4 sided die to a raft and it gets 12 medium supports, it should in theory hold, specially considering it's a smaller print? I would normally just try and print it directly to the bed but most if not all people printing with SLA seem to mention ALWAYS using supports and not directly printing to the bed.
Question from a new printer: It looks like chitubox has an island detector function when slicing. What's the benefit to using the photon file validator (or UV tools) instead of what chitubox has to offer?
Hi Garret, I'm trying to follow your instruction but each time I'm trying to put support in Chitubox it crash ( 5 part model)! I try with 1.6.1 and 1.6.3 and it crash? Any idea?
Hi - if you are using the workflow of also using PrusaSlicer to get better auto supports, how could you incorporate the Photon Validator? (great videos by the way :-))
Interesting.. Prusaslicer exports the auto supported model as an STL. Once that is imported into Chitubox, I'm wondering if you could slice that model out as a CBDDLP file and import into Validator. Sounds like a lot of work, but just would be curious how well Prusaslicer handled the supports
i think the holes are not necessary like that. Since the piece is built upside down, you only need to put some smaller holes at the top of ears, head and horns. During the print the resin will have time to flow out, without needing to mutilate the print like that. In this case it can be acceptable since there is a back side of the mask, but it is not the case in general.
Why doesn't the slicing software use a built in validator to create automatic supports following the same workflow? It seems obvious that the way to place supports is post slicing. So why doesn't slicing software take that approach to begin with?
One question I have is why do most people printing with resin not print with internal supports (honeycomb?) is it primarily to save resin or will that method generally fail in resin?
I'd love to adopt this workflow, but every time I load a certain file, PFV freezes during the "Fix" procedure. Even after 30 minutes of just letting it sit, "OK" never becomes clickable. I can't tell if it has something to do with the file, a bad PFV install or user error on my part.
I seem to keep getting lines in my prints , I’m using an elegoo Mars pro2 . Hi do I fix this ? Any advice would be so helpful as I’m burning through resin and every print has lines , please help.
I tried Phrozen Transform on the settings of Chitubox v1.63 tho, it couldn't make a cbddlp file. What should I do? Chitubox doesn't support Phrozen Transform yet?
Can I use this process if I only have an anycubic mono X ? It only saves in like a pmwc format or something , not sure if that will open in the validation program
Q: are the holes for the resin to drain out or just so that it can cure under UV ? Reason I ask is cuz u didn’t show if the model was pointed in such a direction that the holes are parallel to the resin vat for draining.
Are you using the pro version of Chitubox? In one of my other responses I had said that Chitubox didn't create the cbddpl files for either of the Photons, I will try the Igloo Mars tomorrow.
What software is the best to download for a diy laser cutter machine. I've had it for a couple of month but been hesitant cus iam not sure which one to download.
QUESTION ON FILE VALIDATOR: I have Java installed and am launching Photon File Validator using the latest .jar file - the app launches fine, but when I try to open either a Chitubox project file OR a .STL, nothing happens. The app doesn't crash; it just acts like I selected no file to open. What am I doing wrong? Sorry to ask here; I can't seem to find help from the devs anywhere. =( Thanks - great info! Subscribed... =)
Why if I slice the file, open in Photon File Validator, correct in chitubox and then slice again and re-open it in Photon I get new errors? Does every slice is different from the others?
you can also go to the hamburger menu on the top left corner and click on Save As, then under File Type select All Files, then just remove the file ext from the file name and add .cbddlp in its place and viola!
I have a Creality 002R. I did as you suggested and chose Elegoo Mars. Brought the file in and tried saving it and it didn’t have the ddlp file, just Chitubox.