it’s both relaxing and disturbing in my case. it’s a relaxing tune, while the meaning behind it (and some part of the song if you listened to it for long) is disturbing.
I hear a false sense of freedom in the song, something like feeling lost or your too far in to back out, i have a hard hearing a positive/relaxing tune in this song. Persona 5 did a great job on making somebody feel this way and make you feel that this is the end, the feeling of being abandoned or sabotaged and having an upbringing fits the song very well and in my case, would make me feel hopeless Usually when i listen to this song i have strange thoughts like i image somebody i know closely being hurt or maybe even die, but if i focus on the guitar in the song it makes the song sound like theres a slim change of changing the future and being given a second chance in your behaviour. Another thing i listen to is the violin or drums, it makes the song feel lost but also (as said before) given a second chance. The way Atlus designed this song can be so simple yet so complex, it can make you feel one way or feel a totally different way if you listen again. Hell, it can even change your thought process if you get too into it like i do. This song is so underrated because its often glazed over as “the repetitive song” or be connected with the mementos song, thinking about it now, the song can make you see the world as a different colour, whenever i listen i image the world as a gray abandoned vast-land or a corrupted pink-ish world filled with hate, this song is way easy too look over just as a sad or happy song, there are so many complex emotions and feeling when listening to this song.
i love how every other palace is just "hey look at how evil/sad/distorted these people are" but this one is basically saying "look at how sad YOU are" and it hits hard
Exhausted Young Man: "In the long term, your struggles will transform into nourishment. All you need do is endure... No matter how much they beat or kick you... it is all for your own self-benefit in the end... If anything, I should feel thankful... This is exactly what I deserve..." Ann: "...It hurts hearing this."
It is kinda sad to see that there are some truth in the topic of humanity's public thoughts in Persona 5. Human fundamentally always want the easier way to solve their life's problem, which is why they willingly put themselves into cognitive prison and let the others decide it for them. It is easier to walk the path that someone gave it to you, than finding it yourselves for what you truly wants. Why ? Mostly because we, modern human would rather have a guaranteed, easier, and happy life, even though it is bland, monotone, dark/dirty, and shackled our own freedom for it. That exact reason is why modern society slowly but surely degenerating into sloth society, which include ignorance and avoiding heavy responsibility. That is also why, we, as the younger generation must make sure it must not happened for ourselves and the future generation =D P5 teaches us that we don't need special powers to do it. We just need kawaii grills and a smart black cat! LOL
Faintly-smiling Woman: "Social reform? I'm not interested. That stuff's lame anyway. Don't you think destruction's more pleasing?" Yusuke: "Destruction is...pleasing? She cannot be in her right mind. It is as though she wishes for the world to end..."
God I sommehow got that ending on my first playthrough and thought that you had to get to that part again in NG+ to progress. I gave up on that theory and just did what I was supossed to
Seeing Kamoshida, Madarame, Kaneshiro, and Shido surprised me the most tbh. I didn't feel bad for them, but it did leave me worried about what was coming up next.
My first thought afterwards was, "Is this what happens to people whose hearts we changed? Was all our efforts all for nothing?" That's why I was hit so hard when the Phantom Thieves were being erased from existence...
@@smugsuphia7846 It's not exactly that, but it was a very likely result of it. The Phantom Thieves robbed their victims of all their desires, which left them as a human being without any motivation or aspirations. The reason Futaba and Sae didn't end up in there was because the Phantom Thieves gave them new hope themselves, but the others had to confess everything and got punished for it, believing that desires are inherently bad and just following others without any self-agency was the way to go. Before Kamoshida's palace was raided, Morgana told us about this, he said that people without desires have no reasons to live, possibly leaving them suicidal. The only reason this didn't happen was because they were "reformed", even though the only thing that changed was that they knew they couldn't atone for their sins with their death alone, so they accepted whatever punishment they got, in other words gibing up all self-agency and conforming to the masses. That made them the exact kind of person who imprisoned themself in Mementos. If the Phantom Thieves had looked for the culprits and tried to help them after their breakdown, they may have been able to reform them properly.
This Palace hit a bit too close to home for me. Humans locked in prisons enjoying their captivity, representing human life. For normal, working, everyday people, this feels all too familiar.
A cycle where you are trapped in and let it take you where ever it go. Reminds me of people going inside bullet trains in there unending jobs till death
The freedom not to choose, the freedom not to think, it's way to easy to just throw away your life by letting days blend in to weeks, weeks blending in to months, letting months, sometimes blend in to years. That's to say- if you basically just let life go on autopilot, are you really living life?
So the game implies something really fucked up in the depths of mementos but doesn't outright say it. All the people who's hearts you've stolen are down here. The only people who aren't are your confidants, who believe in the phantom thieves. We see from palace one to the end that the protagonists always managed to convince their targets that they were wrong and should become better people. But we also stole their treasure. But the palaces had begun to crumble before you managed to take the treasure and after you convinced the people that they were wrong. What I think this implies is that the protagonists aren't stealing people's distorted desires but are instead stealing their wills of rebellion. Think about it. Futaba awakened her Persona by joining with her shadow. Persona's are the manifestation of a person's will of rebellion. After she awakened her Persona, the treasure went missing. She became the treasure. Its implied that the reason that the bad guys all confessed was because you stole their heart, but if you actually instead stole their will of rebellion. That would explain why they all go and confess their crimes as well. Not from guilt, because if it really was guilt, then why wouldn't they all liquidate their assets and try to help people first and atone before throwing themselves in jail. Instead, they turn themselves in because they begin to adhere and follow societies laws. All the targets you went after usually hid inside their respective bedrooms for a few days before they turn themselves in. But after waking up from her nap, Futaba is perfectly okay. The other palace rulers went and hid for a few days because they were so used to disobeying society that they were confused as to what they were supposed to do with themselves. But Futaba still had a will of rebellion and instead managed to convince herself that she was wrong in hating herself. That would also explain why Sae and Mishima isn't there. You didn't steal their treasure, but just convinced them that he was wrong. Then again, the rest of the mementos targets weren't there either so that last one is just conjecture. At the end of the game, Yaldaboath vanishes after realizing the might of and hope of humanity in the form of Satanael. Morgana doesn't so much steal Mementos treasure as much as he just tapped it and gave it back to humanity. Gave them back their wills of rebellion. This is all just a hypothetical theory, but it feels to me like that is what the game is implying.
Sae and Mishima are Persona user without persona at the end They changed for good "fighting their Shadow" and in the end believing in what they had to do and in the PT For the other part,It Is pretty much the not said Truth
I agree with some points, but Personas and Shadows are not the will of rebellion, rather they are the true self, a side of yourself you hide from the public. But the main cast's true selves were their feeling of rebellion, which they had hid from others, just like the P4 cast's hidden secrets. I personally think that their distortions are within the Treasure, but when you defeat the shadow, I think they and their secrets get reunited with the real person and they realise their mistakes, which force them into an apathy.
Jesus is coming soon. Please, repent of all your sins. Ask him into your heart. This is your eternal soul! No more time for games, wake up! Most will perish in the tribulation coming up. Trust in Jesus while there is time! You must do it before he comes! Before it is too late!
I never noticed how the mementos map just keeps going down and down and down up until I got to the depths. It was a huge shock realizing that we were literally going to Hell itself as the final palace but fucking awesome at the same time.
@@Ty_Jac It seemed like that was what they were going for with this palace. Blood and bones everywhere, a prison and the fact that it is in the center of the earth on the map indicated for me that it was hell. And then the second part where mementos merged with reality was literally the beginning fo the apocalypse. Idk that's just how I saw it and why I liked it so much.
@@zombieslayer1945 ,I'm sure that the concept of the lat palace draws inspiration from Hell. I would say that it IS hell disguised as Heaven for the general public.
Apathy is the killer of empathy. You'd rather ignore the evil of society and the suffering of others in favor of just wanting a false happiness and a sense of normalcy. Never stop standing up for what's right everyone, even if others tell you its meaningless. Because it isnt. Life must change. Let's make sure it's for the better.
Seeing all the protests and the world finally taking a big leap of faith really has me feeling more hopeful, it’s what the creators of this game would’ve wanted.
The more I scroll down, the more I feel that the smart P5 fans started to actually say that there is hope in reality. The more I scroll down, the more it feels like we’re united and that we want the same objective.
Splnter 64 , the best objective. The objective to a better society! We aren’t part of the Phantom Thieves, but we can change society. In name of what we need, what we love, what is good. Even if there’s some bastard criminal around, we still can take him down! With words, with perspectives, in name of peace! We cannot go to the Dephts of Mementos, but we can go into the Dephts of someone’s heart. To change it with our power. To steal the loved distorted desire’s ruler’s treasure, that it’ll change his selfish cognition. No playing God will rule over us! Nobody will! But we can't let it take us to the selfish side. We have limits, though. Now, let us change society!
Yeah it is isn't it? But its a bit more melancholic in here...probably to convey that while we see how dreadful the palace is, to the people above its just normal...
Persona 3, 4 and 5 spoilers ahead! I like how the Persona games always make you accomplish the opposite of what you are trying, but only let you know towards the end, when the thing you've tried to avoid has already reached the level of a god. Persona 3: You fight the 12 Shadows and long to defeat all of them so that the Dark Hour disappears and the Shadows can't "kill" (the victims do end up braindead) any more people, but in doing so give Nyx, the God of death, it's power back, practically dooming all of mankind. Persona 4: The whole game, you and your party are looking for the truth. You find two false culprits along the way and when, towards the end, you finally find the true killer, you're starting to realize the whole truth: That nobody WANTS to realize the truth. They'd rather live a lie and look away from pain and suffering. Persona 5: You take down all kinds of oppressors that treat people like slaves to try and give them courage and a chance at freedom. But in doing so, you make them rely on YOU instead. You make them want to further dedicate their lives to someone else's path and don't give them a single bit of courage. Basically, what modern Persona games show us about humanity is that instead of facing pain and suffering they run away. Be it through death, self deception or giving up their freedom, people don't want a good life: They just want an easy one. Only if you face hardships: Loss, Truth or Oppression, can you really discover your *true* self.
I kind of hate how soothing and almost comforting this song sounds when it’s the theme of the distorted desires of society itself, which was that someone else were to take the responsibility while everyone else blindly follows them.
I think that's kind of the point. The public desires what it does because it's easier, or in other words, more comfortable. So it make sense for this foreboding song to also sound somewhat soothing and comforting
I’ve read many of the comments,but I still feel broken and I can’t see what is right.I understand the game telling us we’re slowly becoming sloths but what I’m worried a bit about is that after I reflected on my self a bit I realized that I too have become a “sloth” if you will.Whats even worse is that I feel comfortable in my position.If things are wrong I leave within someone else’s hands to fix it for me while I laze around.Through playing this game I can finally realize the things I turn a huge blind eye too everywhere. As I am still young I feel it is not to late to reinvent myself.
Bro I'm in my 30s and just finished this game recently, and I'm feeling the exact way. It's rare when a video game makes me think "...what am I doing with my life man?"
@@nobleradical2158 I just wish there was no "harem" route at all. It's a relic of a shitty age where people thought that betraying your lover's trust makes you a "chad"(i.e. a colossal jerkwad).
@@optimaltt6070 True, but the Persona games since 3 have always let you make bad choices worthy of a colossal jerkwad, and I don't know if that should go away. There should be a bad ending like there is for other bad choices tho.
@@nobleradical2158 fair enough, as long as you're REALLY punished for being a two-timing scumbag, it would actually justify the feature, unlike in 3/4/5
It's unnerving how the bones and veins increase in numbers the farther you go underground in that final area. At first you only that giant cluster of veins once you go inside, but during that first descend you see only a hellish red glow. Once you get near the second descend, the game gives you a wonderful view of the same hellish red glow along with massive structures that look like ribcages and those veins once again, and by the time you enter the Mysterious Shrine, those ribcages are *everywhere.* Even at the very start of the Path of Iwereth, there are gigantic bones that look like ribcages, and the railways themselves being made of bones instead of wood and steel once the players reached halfway through Mementos was a clear sign of what was to come.
I believe its to symbolize that you are getting near the heart of mementos since the heart is normally surrounded by your ribcage and veins its still creepy and as you said, unnerving
"This is a work of fiction. Any resemblances to real people or events is purely coincidence." Me after 1st palace: Are you sure about that? Me after 7th palace: Are you really sure about that? Me during 8th palace: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
Each of the Palace bosses has at least one, often several real-life counterparts. They needed to put that disclaimer in there to protect themselves. Also, it was read by "Igor". So, you know, take it with a grain of salt.
Not saying other palaces weren't but this palace seems so real... we all have things we don't want to think about, we also have times when we just give up... seeing not just one person, but a whole crowd of 'normal' people willingly being in this huge jail and not making any choices is just... haunting to say the least. My favourite palace for sure!
.. And it's pretty easy to end up in the "Prison of Regression". A _majority_ of people within our society gave up on trying or living, and just 'exist' or do what they're told.
i would prefer not to awaken. since my vice is wrath. of the two, i choose sloth, the lesser of the two evils. that way, only one grave is dug, rather than 7 billion
I love this as a bad ending credits. compared to p4's 'corridor' where it makes you feel like everything has been lost, this gives the feeling that everyone will keep on living and forget about you.
This song seems sad, but it also gives out a slight feeling of hope for everything to get better. Just can't believe how powerful the message of this last palace is.
There is hope now my friends do not worry we will improve the year that is 2020. The impossible can become possible if you make it so! ~Kaito Momota (Danganronpa V3)~
Not to mention the foreboding of something more stronger, more deadly, more evil than Shido lying at the end of it, and you're marching straight to it.
For me it was the veins.. the skeletal and overall gorey look of the background.. the bones where no where near as bad when they appeared in the real world.. For me seeing all the veins leeching life out of the cells and crawling the walls, it made my stomach churn when I saw they where all going directly into a chalice. A very haunting place indeed..
My reaction when I found out Mementos is the last dungeon: Really? That’s a bit anticlimactic. More train tunnels and jokes in Mona’s car? Gimme a break! My reaction when I saw Mementos’ true form, a hellscape that houses all the souls of the world and home to a literal god: Oh...
honestly i was really happy shido wasent the final boss due to me being used to persona bosses being hard as hell i spent around 5 hours creating the ultimate persona (no not the one you find on the internet cuz i didnt have the social links/confidants for that, it was just as good tho) then i get to the "final boss" shido and he fucking dies in 4-6 turns and im like... "the fuck!?" needless to say i wasent nearly as lucky with the REAL final boss still beat him first try tho :3 took forever to beat him but im proud of myself uwu
It's amazing how reflective and thoughtful this song really is. The title: "Freedom and Security." They're complete opposites and the antithesis of each other, yet the contrast works in this sense. You could view it as being free and secure in the literal sense that you can live how you want without fear (which is Persona 5's overarching message). However, when the Phantom Thieves reach metaphorical 'Hell', they begin to realise that by freeing people of their sins, they are in fact encouraging others to give up on changing themselves. This enforces the idea that individual change is impossible, and that someone should instead wait to be 'saved' instead of taking control of their lives. Thus, they reach a twisted sense of freedom by entrusting their security to a higher power and relinquishing control as the nature of taking risks is to threaten one's security. If someone need not make any decisions for themselves, they see being imprisoned to an institution or a god as a worthwhile trade-off. And here we come to the state of society. The apathetic nature of humans means that much of our society is not concerned with making their own decisions, as they believe being cast out is a worse fate than taking an unpredictable leap of faith. We'd rather ride the same train every day for decades because we're told to than question what is really important to us. This is especially relevant in the context of Japan where it is socially expected that one must adhere to conformity, with many too scared to venture into the unknown and ask why. This facade of normality being what we should strive for is reflected in the song: it is relaxing yet eerily repetitive, with the intermittent escape of a lone guitar - almost begging for us to snap out of our trance. The last dungeon and its music is the culmination of Persona 5's ideas. The hopelessness of a society trapped in our own ways as we are too frightened to break the status quo and question what we should really be seeking. Without the reassuring blanket of a purpose, such as collecting our paycheck and finally getting that white picket fence, what are we going to do with our life? That's the scariest thing. If we don't settle for following the direction of society and accepting mediocrity, we run the risk of turning out as failures and outcasts. Being poor. Unwanted by others. Wandering aimlessly with no orders. Yet if we don't ask these questions and have faith in ourselves, we may never reach true happiness. I hope all of us Persona lovers discover our individualism and strive for what we really want out of life. Find what matters and fight for it.
Though I agree in the present, it just means that we must be creative. Find a way which makes us independent yet helpful to others, while bypassing modern problems. Without it being at the cost of ourselves. We must also spread awareness to that fact and (that’s the hard part) snap them out of said sloth, as we don’t want them to just shrug it off.
@@splnter648 I don't think even awareness is enough. It's even explored in the game when the Phantom Thieves release the truth about Shido, but nobody actually wants to actually acknowledge it, even if they are made aware. Instead, they'd rather forget the hard truths and live blind to it, because ignorance can be bliss. Honestly, I wouldn't even blame anyone for this since reality really is rough and often just depressing. We are usually happier when we're not thinking about such things. That's why the Phantom Thieves come to the conclusion that the world is better without the metaverse and people ultimately need to come to their own decision on what they think is best. All we can do is educate people so that they have the chance to make these choices in the first place. The education system shouldn't dismiss philosophy or politics. In fact, I feel like these things are perhaps purposefully neglected in order to keep people from having opinions. Instead, we're taught useless facts in history without hearing as much about the actual philosophies and ideas of (often, very smart and progressive) historical figures. But I agree with the rest. We need to start living for ourselves and find our own meanings. Structure is not for everybody, and some very creative people are stifled by it. However, there are also people who are more efficient with some kind of structure in their life. It would be ideal if there was a modern solution which was flexible for both types of people. I don't think anybody should feel forced to go against the grain if it's not who they are, and vice-versa.
You know how inside a Palace, you can see an icon of the Palace's ruler along with the alert meter when using the Third Eye (L1)? Was wondering who could be the ruler of the "origin of all Palaces," some big evil probably but when I used Third Eye inside it without thinking much and saw a glimpse of the icon I was like... "Holy shit... no fucking way..."
The most powerful exchange in the game. You don't have an answer. How could you have one? What did they want to hear, anyway? *How would ANYONE respond to that question in that context?*
Well, hm, let's think, was it the right thing to change their hearts? Hm... In Futaba's case, yes, obviously, In Sae's case, yes, obviously, Kamoshida was serial sexual abuser with no hope of recovery and would've expelled us if he didn't, so yes, Madarame was abusing students, stealing work, plagiarising, and would've called the cops on us, so yes, Kaneshiro was a literal crime Lord and left us with actually no other choice, so yes, Shido was murdering people left and right with Akechi, so yes, Okumura, well, things didn't go so well for him or us after that, so maybe that one really was a tactical error, but mostly, that wasn't our fault, that was Akechi's doing, we were mostly trying save Haru, prevent the exploitation of thousands of employees, and catch Akechi, so, maybe not, but for reasons outside of our ability to predict or control. Yeah, I'd say it was the right thing to do.
@@tuckermatis1572 In the context, it means "was it a good idea to remove their desires?" Without new ones to change them, they had nothing. Futaba and Sae had those desires replaced, so they didn't end up like the others. Sae's became a desire to seek out true justice, while Futaba wanted to avenge her mom. They both rose against a cruel and unfair world, and while the current villains did those cruel and unfair things, maybe they could've been redeemed too. If we had a way to replace their Treasures with ones that couldn't corrupt, we could instill a sense of hope in them like we did with the general public. They had to be stopped, but what they got sent back to is the reason why they became the way they did in the first place. Ultimately, the Phantom Thieves just wanted to end suffering, and they did, so in the end, they did the right thing.
The soundtrack is incredible The story’s well written and amazing The designs are superb The art is gorgeous The gameplay is astonishing And yet people are having waifu wars
Jesus is coming soon. Please, repent of all your sins. Ask him into your heart. This is your eternal soul! No more time for games, wake up! Most will perish in the tribulation coming up. Trust in Jesus while there is time! You must do it before he comes! Before it is too late!
Because YOU could be an inmate in the Prison of Regression. How many times have you watched the news on some atrocity or scandal and did nothing about it? How many times have you surrendered yourself to a predetermined fate for the sake of comfort? Of all the Palaces, this is the one that's the most foreboding to me. Because we're all guilty of the sin of sloth.
It's probably because first of all the place it's played in is really f****** disturbing second is because it's a remix of Tokyo daylight and Jaldabaoth (Good God I hope I spelled it right) More specifically the melody is the humming in Tokyo daylight it uses the instruments as well as some of the melody from Jaldabaoth Noticeable at 42-50 Jaldabaoth This symbolism at least in my interpretation of it is the masses here are hearing the same Melody to them it's still a regular day But to us who are paying attention we can hear the drums and guitar of yaldabaoth someone who they think is protecting them but is actually controlling them They are mistaking Security for freedom Freedom and secu oh now I get the name (That's just my interpretation and I'm probably super Incorrect lol)
*Spoilers??? Better safe than sorry* This palace was perhaps one of my favorites because anytime you listened to the "prisoners", you realized you and your team became more self-aware of their situation than ever before. Like, this is it: this is the last mission as the Phantom Thieves. This is what you all come together to stop in the end. The world isn't a hellhole, life isn't just endless struggles, and justice will prevail in the end--that's what you and your team have fought for this whole time, despite the distractions, the fame and the ultimate deceit. Goddamn, this game was beautiful.
Yeah, hearing everyone's thoughts from the cages really kind of fucked me up. That last palace just made me feel like existential dread the whole time. It was a rare trip I doubt I'll ever get again.
Alexander Leonardi It IS in human nature for people to attempt to take the easy way out of their problems. The problem here lies in the fact that people don't think very hard about the consequences of taking unnecessary shortcuts in life.
This is almost like Persona 5's version of 'Corridor' from 4, it's supposed to be unnerving and makes you think just how bad society has become in a sad and disturbing way. Except in Persona 5 you do see more of what the big bad's influence has on the people in the world, especially if you talk to the people in the cages and hear what they have to say, that was one of the most infamous parts of the game for me.
That’s why we must always oppose collectivism and socialism. Living free is the most important part of humanity. Without it, we imprison ourselves by our own will.
@@kazuma7232you get this cutscene even if it isnt the bad ending except its a cognitive version of joker who gets shot so hes alive and its the fake who gets brutally murdered
I messed up as to not maxing akechi's confidant so now I gotta start back at kaneshiro's palace again and replay the game, too bad I didn't have a save up to right before, huge L for me.
I love the final palace. Not only do you have to fight society itself but also the stakes are the biggest yet. You have one chance or it's all over. And the utter mystery of what the palace is supposed to be, all converging in the holy grail. And I will never forget getting kicked out of mementos and watching the world end for the first time. Finding out Igor wasn't really him and fusing lavenza. I love it. And the hype of returning back to mementos fused reality only for life will change to play for the final time. I'll never forget just how hyped I felt. And the ending was so good
It still doesn't beat Nyx Avatar tho. That moment when you finally reach the top of tartarus after 60 days of buildup...gives me goosebumps every time I think about it. This game's climax is a close second, however.
I figured out you were supposed to lose because I had a yoshitsune and would be getting a quarter health each turn, so I thought there's no way I'm supposed to win this
The final parts of the game succeeded really well in giving you a sense of dread. Mementos looked strange but then in the final 3 layers there was imagery of blood, gore, bone structure and whatnot. It left the impression that mementos is a living, breathing place. And seeing this what yusuke would call “an assault on the senses” take over reality as well as seeing our characters in a state of immense fear and hopelessness is absolutely amazing at strengthening the dread you are meant to feel. The scenery is hellish, the main cast’s situation is hellish.
Even Rivers in the Desert and Live Will Change can't compare to this. This theme is just the best thing in whole game (excluding persona fusion, breaking the game since 1996 if you know what you're doing). Guitar is nailing it with those eerie sounds, and it matches perfectly with this prison theme. Design of this palace deserves its own reward. It's creepy and beautiful at the same time
I do love Rivers in the Desert; an upbeat, motivating and get-up-and-kick-ass type of tune. But this is almost like drone metal: weighing down, oppressing your very soul. Also a beautiful melody for how depressing the (basically) last dungeon is.
Ya this theme ( personally) carries the most emotion for me especially since I first got the bad ending then true... Fuck I felt so sad when I got the bad ending I felt unbelievably confused, angry , and depressed. The game guinely taught me a life lesson I'll never forget, and hearing this theme again in mementos depths had me so sad
@@YOTSUBA_desu not real security LOL. The more freedom you have to do anything that doesn't harm anyone, the more security you have since you won't be caged or killed by authorities for victimless crimes
Same, the bad ending I got and I was very stupid that I didnt exactly understand that ratting out your friends was gonna get me killed. It was like she knew those were my teammates so I shouldn't lie, guess that makes me a shitty friend...
I first got the bad ending then the true and I can relate, when I first got the bad ending I felt confused and depressed beyond anything I almost cried with this theme and in mementos this song got me a second time when I realized the end to the game was near ... I Adore this game for all its done
This perfectly encapsulates the despair of the situation the Thieves find themselves in as well as the area itself. Totally devoid of free will or choice any who dare enter the depths of Mementos. The thieves themselves are trapped in the sense that they cannot leave the palace as they have no idea when the authorities will arrive to arrest them. It almost feels like everything they’ve been through up to this point has been for nothing, they have no assured measures of escape or triumph at this point, all they can do is blindly plunge into the dark depths of this bleak underworld hoping for redemption.
This theme really encapsulates the idea that the masses have a role in the downfall of the world… that our collective sloth and unwillingness to change is the reason we still continue to suffer
Context is everything. listening to the song as a song, it's pretty calming. listening to it in the bad ending it sounds like good has been defeated. Listening to it in the final dungeon, it sounds hopeless, as if the end is coming. When you hear it there, It's not a heroic song of resistance like in final dungeons of other games, but one of quiet acceptance and willful submission.
They're all present. Because as a society, we're not just guilty of acedia, sloth, whatever you call it. We're guilty of all of the deadly sins. In ways we wouldn't expect.
In the first teaser trailer for this game, there are chairs and shackles holding them down. This dungeon, showing humanity in those same chains, tells us gamers in our chairs that “You are slave, want emancipation?” This dungeon is a warning to us. The final palace shows us proof of our oppression, and the trailer poses a question that gives us a choice: to reform society like the Phantom Thieves did, or remain safely in our seats, forever held down to a harmful mentality by our own ignorance. That is the message I believe this whole part is trying to convey to us.
Pramila Gandhi True, but technically its only Tokyo. Its themes can be applied to most other places in our reality, but the whole idea of being packed into subway trains and shuffling off to work in a huge crowded city with apathy towards this oppressive system is kinda supposed to be a commentary about Tokyo. Nothing against Japan, but trains, commuters, crowded places, and quiet (supposed) indifference are things that are kinda unique to them, specifically the combination of these things at once.
PlasmaTempest39 While this story is centered around Tokyo, it’s the same thing with others as well. To limit this and only say it applies to japan and their culture is not entirely true is all I was trying to say. I was speaking to the oppression and lack of willfulness to others and walking around with our “eyes wide shut” while other things are taking place that many others would say it doesn’t apply to me so why should I care. But yes you have a very valid point as well.
@@Mo_Kit4869 Persona 5 warns us at the start of the game.... "This story is a work of fiction" "Similarities between characters or events to persons living or dead in your world are purely coincidential"
Mimikyu Playz I am thou, thou art I. Thou hast turned a song into a soundtrack. Thou hast awakened to the ultimate secret of the Great Theme arcana, granting thee infinite rhythm...
Man, this song sided with Mementos Depths' atmosphere is so goddamn unsettling. Even the title "Freedom and Security" sounds unnerving considering what Mementos is supposed to be. Mementos Depths always gives me goosebumps.
If you hear this music in game, you either: A- Fucked yourself by selling out your teammates to Sae, and got shot by Akechi. Or B- Chose the right option and are actually in the depths of Mementos.
Niijima’s palace: this is the final operation of the Phantom Thieves! Shido’s palace: okay, this is it. Depths of Mementos: FINALLY?! Maruki’s palace: *finally.* Strikers: 😏
Mitsuo's dungeon: We caught the killer! Namatame's dungeon: We caught the killer! Adachi's dungeon: Ok THIS time we caught the killer Hollow Forest: 💀 Yomotsu Hirasaka: ☠️ Arena Ultimax: 💀☠️🤡
I love how soothing this theme is, not because of how it sounds but because of what it makes you feel. Since Mementos represents the sin of sloth, this theme acts like a Siren call to everyone in the prison. They know where they are, but what’s the point of breaking free? Especially if the rest of the public is there with them. This actual theme is very short and repetitive, and even catchy, because it’s meant to be a very simple tune that hypnotises you and runs in the back of your head with no extra effort. The song‘s length represents the short attention span and impatience of city-dwellers. It restarts before your mind wanders too far.
Probably the most Persona has delved into the themes from it's parent series, at least in my opinion If you don't know, Shin Megami Tensei, the series Persona is a spin off of, primarily focuses on the dichotomy of Law and Chaos, represented by YHVH (basically God,) and Lucifer. For the most part, neither is shown as inherently better than the other. YHVH promises peace and order, but at the cost of all individuality, all choice. Everyone in the end would work to serve him and him alone. While Lucifer promises a world of complete freedom, but at the cost of it being a Darwinist nightmare where only the strong survive. We see this throughout the story, a good deal of the Palaces almost represent Chaos, the result of rampant freedom at the cost of everything else. Then Mementos reflects Law, absolute control without any choice. I remember being legitimately unnerved by this section. It was like discovering some ancient eldritch being that couldn't be stopped.
This is gonna sound completely random, but I think Persona 5’s Holy Grail has similar themes to TikTok, senators are doing a terrible job at showing how TikTok can be dangerous. Yet when you go on TikTok itself, you see people saying TikTok is their safe place, and that Shou will save them. It sorta reminds me of how the people near the Holy Grail scream not to hurt it. Cellphone has a new meaning to itself now. The phone is our cell. The same way people in the depths were also stuck in cells, but still enjoyed it. Because they had the holy grail. People in our world are stuck in “mental cells,” endlessly scrolling on some app but still being happy because it’s TikTok, and if anyone criticizes it, the public retaliates against them.
Wow.. this is correct... not to mention that it's the same for yt shorts here as well.. people scroll endlessly. Nights and days. For hours on end.. I used to be trapped. I would scroll for 20 hours a day since I was isolated. I still am. But I managed to overcome yt shorts. I still use yt 20 hours a day...
Fun Fact: I had no Idea my 1st play through that this was final dungeon and final area music. I thought there was more to come but still danced my ass off to this song. I wish there was more though cause this game already offered so much. I wasn't prepared for the final area and got my ass handed to me by the enemies. Still a fun area as was the entire game.
All the events are happening right now..... Persona 5 warns us at the start of the game.... "This story is a work of fiction" "Similarities between characters or events to persons living or dead in your world are purely coincidential"
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The collective unconscious. Humanity's desires all shared in one astronomically massive palace known as Mementos. They all wish for a happy life, but what they were truly wishing for was an easy one. They refuse to seek change due to the pain that comes with it, but often times the most unwanted changes are the most necessary ones. That is why the Phantom Thieves stole humanity's heart. They wanted to show society what being a human really means. Change is a necessity for humans to grow and so is pain. Without it, we are just treading a direct path to certain ruin.
For some reason this isn’t many peoples favorite palace theme, but it’s one of my favorites. It really gives off the feeling of trying to preserve the freedom of everyone even in the face of people’s desire for control and safety.
When I was going through this last dungeon, I was a bit under leveled, but still manages to keep up with talking to Personas. That is, until I got surrounded by 4 Melchizedeks and got party wiped from 4 consecutive God's Fists shoved up my ass.
It’s scary how true this is. This isn’t a fictional villains twisted ideals, it’s actual humanity. These aren’t fictional characters, they’re me and you. This is what we’ve grown to believe. This palace is genius.
This whole dungeon implies that the only thing you took from your targets was their will to live and be free, which is why they conformed to society, felt guilt, and accepted arrest. They were also rebelling against society, were still doing evil things, but rebelling. But the overall issue was that the opressive conformity of society created people who rebelled against it. Why would Kamoshida be the creep he is? Why would Madarame steal to the point of letting a woman die? Why is Kaneshiro able make a career out of blackmailing students without fear of arrest? Why was Futaba made so depressed by everything? Why did Okamura go from a loving father to a heartless CEO? Why did Sae lose hope in justice? Who the hell enabled Shido to be such an asshole with no reproach? Because people didn't speak up in the first place, or even bother to act as a decent human being should to right these people when they should have been righted. This is an issue everywhere, not just Japan. But Japan has it BAD. There's a reason a japanese studio made the enemy conformity itself.
It also doesn't help that a lot of the villains got away with their crimes for so long because they were in jobs/positions that *demanded* respect from the people below them; standing up to them would get you in REALLY hot water for all sorts of reasons.
You can really feel the palace’s message through the music in this palace. This is why I would say that palaces like Maruki’s or Futaba’s are the best because you can hear the emotion within the music but with other palace themes or whims of fate, it rather matches the vibe of a palace.
We Deny yourself We Left pain and problems behind We become like the others We suffered by our hopes, dreams and free will We are happy like this Freedom and security shall be our salvation Cut our wings and let us become trapped in our happy new reality
This song has a sense of if you know what's happening, it's disturbing, but if you don't, it's the greatest thing ever. It's a good song if you can tell just from it.
This palace really creeped me out because of all the cages and how every one excepted life like that...Made me think everyone in real life is in there.
It's the sheeple fallacy. The problem is that it's too much work to change anything, and not everyone will agree with you, no matter how right or wrong you may actually be. Most people want to avoid that to live in safety, because we want to live period. But at the same time, deep down in the heads of the general public, we all want to fight for something. It's this literal cognitive dissonance that is tearing us apart to ultimately result in our indecision We're not sheep. Not by a longshot. Life is just extremely complicated and we all want to be happy and belong.
The use of this theme in the 8th palace is what makes it my favorite palace theme. It's the only palace theme that feels hopeless, and truly fits the atmosphere. It's really depressing when you see that everyone would rather be controlled than have their own free will, as long as being controlled let them live happily. Best palace theme. I rest my case.
When you think about it, the reason Yaldabaoth hasn't achieved what he wanted before the phantom thieves formed was beacuse the antagonists escaped their prison cells to live in their own palaces,thus hindering his total control, they might have been evil, but it was necessary...
This is the theme of society now. How we simply dance to the merry whims of those who stand above us, the rich, the media, and we eat whatever they tell us to without thinking too much about the implications of what we are doing and what is correct, or whether the information we're fed is even valid. Whether it be lost freedoms or silenced opinions, we just...give up. I don't need my inner self to say it for me, both American and Canadian society is decrepit and dying by our newfound willingness to hand most of ourselves to a government who, for all intents and purposes, should be serving us. It is also dying because twisted echo chambers (Twitter) are grabbing us by the nuts and forcing on common people the morality and justice of teenage girls. Girls who destroy their enemies by socially shaming them and rendering them powerless to live their lives to the fullest potential. And do we ever stop to question what they're doing is wrong? That the person is innocent? No. We don't, and the few that do are widely bashed for it. Worse yet, when they do prove their innocence, society hardly cares. This is Sloth, the very same that gave rise to Yaldabaoth. We don't have any desire to question whether, and we don't have any desire to care either. Can't believe Persona of all games opened my eyes to such an extent, that we live in such twisted times. I had a friend who kept feeding me these claims, but I could never believe him cause they were outlandish. Now, I see they're very realistic
I'll admit, when I played P5 back in 2017, I didn't like this arc because I thought it was boring that the story didn't end with Akechi or Shido. But now, I have grown a newfound appreciation for it. Because more and more, it's starting to get a little frightening how much collectivism is brewing due to forces outside our control. I hate to compare fiction to real life but society right now feels like when Shido got his heart changed and everyone refused acknowledge any of his wrongdoings.
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