in tarot, the justice arcana actually represents a challenge to the questioner! as in if you're doing a tarot reading and you get the justice card, it means that you're going to face some kind of trial. in that way akechi really fit the card
There is a difference between the fool and a wildcard. Akechi is a wildcard, like Joker, allowing him to have more then one persona however Akechi's actual Arcana is still Justice.
I did the whole palace in a single day and I could barely hold out with my meager SP(No SP item either) and then fucking Pancake shows up with his second phase.
I was really disappointed that Akechi didn't become a permanent party member. Not because I liked him, but because the little dance he did after an all-out attack made me giggle.
I loved the fact that Akechi wonders why does he lacks what you have and the team just outright tells him, man, you're incredible, we only defeated you with numbers
I wish it had different dialogue if you did the battle solo. I know there's different dialogue between Futaba and Sae for the casino boss, but not sure about anything else.
So no one is going to point out the musical significance of this song? I don’t see any comments mentioning it, but the violin that plays throughout this song (specifically the first time it starts playing) is actually Tokyo Daylight-the song that plays while you’re in society. The importance being that this song, a representation of everyday life and society, is being twisted and changed into Shido’s own vision.
Persona in a nutshell: If there's a corny or goofy character who is non-playable or playable near the end of the game and has a name end with a I, heavy chances that they might be the protagonist 's enemy.
Lascell Taylor, really? It took him mentioning "pancakes" when he met the crew for the first time to make me doubt him. (Yes, I pay close attention to the dialogue and even read the log).
When levelling up the justice confidant, you never gained his confidant abilities meaning he was special in some way. Also, the fact that it only levelled up via story and not interaction meant he was tied to the plot in some way. That's how i figured it out
Akechi is the personification of the old writing advice "make your villain a hero who went down the wrong path." He COULD have been a hero, had he made different decisions, had he not let Shido manipulate him and not gotten so caught up in his quest for revenge. Both he and the Phantom Theives work for justice, but the Phantoms work for justice for everyone while Akechi was caught up in seeking his own personal justice, even if it meant denying others theirs.
Well, aside from P1, where it's partially the case (Snow Queen Quest has Nyx, SEBEC quest has Nyarlathotep but his involvement only in these events really show up in the P2 duology only, so you don't confront him in the first game), yes, it's always a God that's behind the events of every Persona game. So personally, I thought it was obvious Shido wasn't the last dungeon. Also Mementos. With how P3 treated Tartarus, Mementos was bound to be the actual final dungeon.
@@instantpurple1282 I don't remember exactly because I tried it maybe a year ago, as far as I remember it's greyed out and doesn't actually do anything like if you try to use a smart bomb or something like that outside of battle. I think I still have a save file around Shido's palace so I'll go through again to make sure (I'm playing Royal now but I doubt that would make any difference)
@@instantpurple1282 Alright I just made it back to the Akechi fight. Goho-Ms are greyed out in the thief assist menu, attempting to use them from either the thief assist menu or the tools/materials section of the regular items menu will give you a red text box similar to the one you get while trying to use calming aroma at 0% palace security, but instead of saying "Using this will have no effect." it says "You cannot use this now.", I would assume the same goes for Vanilla but I can't say for sure.
At first, I went in knowing Akechi wasn’t good. I grew soft, but then 11/20 rolled around and I dropped my love for him. But then, the boss battle happened and I spent half an hour crying, because I felt so close to him, I felt like we were counterparts.
I love how it's impossible to see akechi's all out attack splash screen in this palace yet it being used as this video's image is still relevant to the palace
Am I the only one who found this song to be really depressing? To me, it meant almost the end of the journey (as it literally was). I just kept sighing during the entire dungeon and remembering when I started the game.
I wish Akechi stayed with us a bit earlier on and longer instead of one palace tbh it would've created a bigger impact when /that/ time came since you've both come through so much, leveling up together, clearing palaces, hanging out, and more. I also feel this way about Haru since I wasn't really able to get to know her character much (busy grinding and prioritizing important social links) since she did appear pretty into late game. These two had so much potential tbh
Massakre8492nd But I think Akechi wasn't supposed to be a twist because the game doesn't try to hide it very well, in fact it beat you over the head with it. At the beginning they tell you you were ratted out, Akechi's confidant is automatic unlike the other party members, he wasn't on phantom thieves side from the start but then did a bit of a 180 to help us, he conveniently saw Okumura get merked and "survived" the "killer" when nobody was there, and how he joined and the whole time he was with the party was extremely Ake- I mean sketchy. I still like him though the traitor guy always get all the cool shit in any game.
Gps1337 i never excluded a option of him being red herring, i disliked him as soon as his first apperance as "handsome boy", they never get a scene like that and become unimportant, a bit of persona trope
This is hands-down my favorite Palace theme and possibly even my favorite track from the entire OST. They absolutely nailed the theme and atmosphere - an epic yet melancholic sail towards ruin, really fitting. It's a pity the track's so short.
This theme definitely gave off the feeling that you HAD to push through. I also love when you turned into mice how they had the same idle motions as the human forms.
This theme. A lot of people say they see this as the theme where they're mice, but I saw what was outside the ship. A world filled water so high that sky scrapers are barely above the water. Buildings red. An endless voyage across the never ending sea
whaaaat how could that POSSIBLY be akechi in the picture??? that could be ANY joe in a red bird mask and brown mid length hair... and who says hes a phantom thief??? yeesh all of teh assumptions youtube commenters make...
[spoilerish] idk if its intentional or not, but the blood the shadow spills kinda covers the "un" part of "uncovering" so without Akechi's hand it reads "My sole interest is covering the truth" which we realized, was Akechi's plan all along
little spoil the strange fact is the only persona character who have the same fate are the seiyu of kira(goro) and asran (protagonist persona 3) of gundam seed
I like how they included Akechi in some artwork (Steelbook Outside, Game Start Screen). But if you pay attention he's not on for example the Steelbook Inside, and the Opening video.
I found it kind of odd but I didn't pay much heed to it, considering that I thought that he might be an advisor or a temporary ally. It took him saying "pancakes" after the second palace and what its boss said to make me go: "Yep, this guy's shady".
Stupidly enough, the thing that actually had me suspect Akechi was when winning a battle with Akechi as a teammate if you catch him quickly enough, he'd do a heroic pose only to then snicker away rather villainously in the background... After that I stopped using him stripped him of all his gear sold it and then waited for the inevitable betrayal
I was convinced that Shido's Palace was the end of the game, the multi-phase fights with Akechi and Shido along with this amazing music, I was quite shocked that Mementos was the true final dungeon.
i was actually kind of confused, while playing the game i realized that there must be something else pushing people into these states of pure evil with no sense of how many damage they are causing to other people, then i realized we are literally fighting corrupted versions of their targets in the metaverse, and the fact that "personas" are literally being represented by actual gods and demons which makes it literally so fucking obvious, then i saw my brother playing the persona 4 ending and realized, yup there it is, this big eye thing was controlling a***hi
No matter how many times I play through this game. The moment that big ass door shuts after *that* fight and you cant go back....and only progress forward. Knowing what transpired there continued to weigh as heavy as it did the very first time I ran through it.
Really? Speaking purely of literature/games, his character needed redemption to regain the player's sympathy. It felt a bit forced to me, especially considering that (a) I never trusted him, (b) he felt too much like Adachi.
@Ceci Madpuppy I have so much sympathy toward Akechi. He's a confused and grieving child, he was exploited for power. You really have to be heartless to say you didn't feel any emotion at all.
All jokes, memes and spoilers aside, the thumbnail is actually fairly deceptive when you consider what Akechi's shared about himself up to this point. Akechi's surprisingly cynical, doesn't think much of politicians and even admits in the meeting before joining you that a part of him wants to get back at adults. It's fairly clear that the handsome and charismatic detective persona is just a mask he wears even before November 20, and he has more in common with the party than they realize at first.
Mortiphasm My thoughts exactly, I believe after his boss fight that's something Goro realized himself. Another interesting tidbit about his Finishing Touch, not only is it ironic because he's hiding the truth from the other Phantoms, but from himself as well-deep down he did start to care about the party but he didn't want to admit it.
it's like I keep saying Akechi never hated joker. he even wished that they met a few years ago and they could of been good friends. it's just he was hellbent on getting revenge on his father it's like what ken says in persona 3 "I was consumed by hatred"
@@TorraShinjiro17 He was very adamant that he was the one to take down his father aswell, so joining Joker wasn't a choice. He had an inferiority complex so he had to prove that HE could do it, and that HE didn't need anyone's help.
This palace was so damn good. So many rooms to explore, crazy strong enemies, lots of boss fights and this awesome track playing. Oh and these random mice passages, I loved them.
you mean bad frustratingly long, difficult enemies that come out nowhere and can one-shot you if you're not prepared, mouse puzzles that mean instant death if you're spotted, and don't get me started on the Cleaner...
@@GiordanDiodato Let 'em have their opinion. I for one loved everything about it, other than that last "maze" thing before you needed to backtrack for the Cleaner fight. I feel like you were just seriously underleveled if you were getting one shot. I only got one shot when I got hit by Mapsiodyne technicals, but that was on Merciless, where technicals have a 3x damage mod.
Shido's Palace has to be my favourite. this theme is immaculate, the rat maze was really fun, Akechi's fight hitting very hard with his Royal confidant, getting the five letters of recommendation was pretty cool, the boss fight having both the instrumental and regular Rivers in the Desert (and that 1v1 with Shido and Ren), it's all perfect.
I didn't think the dungeon was that long- it felt like the right length for a climactic endgame dungeon, especially when you think of it as five sections- one for each VIP.
That feel when you accidentally leave finishing this palace too late cause you wanted to max Haru's s. Link. Then you pretty much have to do the entire dungeon in one day with dwindling resources. Only to obtain the final letter of reccomendation and think you're safe and then immediately crap your pants when pancakes start flying... God this game was a journey.
I love this track way too much It just feels so despairing yet elegant at the same time And almost inspiring in a way It’s just It just leaves me with a sense of dread every time I listen to it It’s sad but amazing
LunaticThinker You got it all wrong he respects waman by giving them mental shutdowns because nothing says I respect and appreciate you like triggering a cognitive collapse and a psychotic mental shutdown which inevitably causes death
I like how this song has that Tokyo Daylight part because it it's like showing that the people are being controlled by Shido and they think that there's nothing bad about Shido when there's actually is. So with blissful ignorance, they live a normal life and believe in their future leader, not knowing that Shido is just using them like puppets.
I love how his whole look (and that of the Robin Hood persona) is such an exaggerated parody of heroism that it loops back into looking mildly sinister
I know!! When I first saw it I legitimately doubled over with my hand over my heart because it was just too cute for me. Everytime he did that little hop and kick I couldn't help but giggle like an idiot. I honestly can't bring myself to hate him. Despite everything he's done, he's still a very interesting character, which just proves the absolute genius that is Persona's writing
Akechi's my favourite character, so I was hyped when he joined the party. So hyped, in fact, that I went and decked him out with the best items money could buy at the time, and headed out to mementos to level us up a ton. So, uh, I ended up pretty disappointed.
It’s the final ultimate trial against the guy who’s been pulling the strings the whole time, they have an epic animated cutscene that shows Shido’s twisted outlook in grand fashion, and the music is fittingly intense. And then like half of the palace is you waddling around as a derpy defenseless little rat.
I absolutely LOVE this game! The characters, the plot, the philosophical subtext... And oh god the music, that acid jazz soundtrack is the score to my summer 2017. This one especially feels so nostalgic, as if something is coming to an end, yet eagerly optimistic as if looking towards a better future and things to come.
surprised nobody's commented about how Ark is literally how Shido thought of himself as noah, and the others as animals aboard his ark, being those chosen by a representive of god to board.
*SPOILERS* I honestly wish that Akechi turned good in the end. I loved his character from the start up until the reveal that he was the traitor. I had a feeling he was from the start but choose to stay in denial. But when the battle against him started and they talked about how he could still change I got the hope that they would manage to change him for the better. But that hope was crushed once he was killed by himself. For the sake of revenge on a man so cruel he used his own son to kill his opponents and throw him away once he was done.
He kinda does turn good at the end, he sacrifices himself so the party can confront Shadow Shido. Remember he knows the PTs won't kill him, only make him admit his crimes, this was not Akechi's goal.
Well, it was kind of obvious that Adachi was the killer in the original P4. Maybe when Persona 5 Platinum comes out, Akechi's story will be a little better.
Shido was a great villian and is underrated the idea of a populist politician being an elite behind closed doors and riding his cruise while the country sinks is a brilliant motif
'waahh wahhhh mommy and daddy didn't give Akechi enuf love oh booo hooooo' Try: father being absent entirely, and mother literally dead from the burden and shame of your very existence. Try: being tossed around the institutional system (not even foster homes) from a young age like a hot potato. Try: having literally NO one to rely on for your formative years. Try: being caught by the person responsible like a fish in a net, as you are forced to dance in their palm. Try: not being able to escape once your missions spiral into a nationwide conspiracy. Try: being trapped into a vicious cycle of addiction to praise on top of that, as a child very deeply deprived of it. Try: not degrading a character's motives to the most basic understanding just because they're wrong.
Jacks - Akechi didn't get "caught by the person responsible like a fish in a net". Akechi is the one who went up to that person and said "hey, I got a power that can help you reach your goals". Considering who he was offering his powers to, he knew very well that it was going to end up in nationwide conspiracy. And he wasn't "trapped" in a vicious circle. Akechi was patiently waiting for his father to finally get the position he dreamed of just so he could deny him that position by triggering a mental shutdown in him. How about you TRY: not finding pitiable excuses to a character who is clearly on the brink of psychopathy just because he had a difficult childhood? If anything, you're the one twisting Akechi's motives just so you can defend him. Kinda like a real-life lawyer who tries to defend a serial killer because "his terrible childhood is what caused his behavior", as if that was enough reason to kill people.
I love how the final dungeons all have a similar feeling to them (Magatsu-Inaba, Tartarus Block 6, and Shido's Cruiser) it always makes the tone feel climatic
I'm currently going through Shido's palace and holy fuCK is this song hitting me hard. I've never been genuenly intimidated by music before. Like my heart starts pounding faster everytime it plays
To be fair another character in p4 has a whole bless/curse thing going on so it could be that they just wanted to continue that but i like to believe this was a subtle hint towards his true personality especially given his weakness was curse at the time
The scale of the ship, the gorgeous background, the race against Shido, the fight against Goro, this amazing music.... this was easily the best part of the game story wise
Wait, Masayoshi Shido... 1. Masayoshi means Justice in Japanese 2. Goro Akechi is the Justice confidant Arcana 3. Goro Akechi is Shido’s son Coincidence? I think not!
masayoshi is a nanori (name reading for kanji), which doesn't actually mean "justice", while seigi is (because it uses the on'yomi reading) even though they're both seen as 正義.
I believe it is called "Ark" because Shido's palace is a boat, and It's probably referring to Noah's Ark because people are on the boat in a flooded Tokyo. (I'm not Christian, but I know about this from Sunday school from when I was like 5.)
i want to put pitou's ears in my mouth Yeah, he was really clever! I didn't catch the hint of him being the villain until Morgona pointed out the fact that Akechi was able to tell that they were talking about pancakes! Now I want pancakes!
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