Peter Pan And Wendy - It's Awful 

It's weird that Wendy doesn't idealise the concept of being a mother, but then expects her own mother to take on 20 kids they don't even know.

I actually loved the part where Disney lost hundreds of millions of dollars and still didn’t manage to learn their lesson.

I'll never understand why it's "empowering" for Wendy to slap Peter, but if Peter slapped Wendy he'd be called an abuser. Just don't slap anyone, simple.

Also, in the original story the reason why there were no lost girls is that girls are too smart to get lost. Wow Disney, how can you miss that badly. This whole "girl empowerment" they did in this movie is so bad on its own, but no, let's change something that actually complimented us.

Remember when Wendy sang that lullaby to the boys in Disney's 1953 film? And how she got all the pirates who were listening to reflect, remember and weep for their mothers? That's true feminine power in my humble opinion...

Hollywood should stop trying to appeal to "modern audiences" and try to appeal to timeless audiences instead.

As a woman, what really makes me angry about all these 'girl-boss ' movies is the fact that wanting a family, being a mother etc is seen as weakness. A lot of young girls dream about that, I did. Did that stop me dreaming about growing up to be a vet? No, because, here's a news flash for you, you can be a mother and a successful career woman at the same time. I know, what a shocking revelation that is.

I'm a woman and I have realised one thing, when they want to make a "girl boss" character in a movie they make all the characters except of her stupid and useless. Even in 'Peter Pan and Wendy' in order for Wendy to shine they destroyed Peter Pan's character! Also anyone noticed the camera work???? In every scene Peter Pan looked like a little child while Wendy was filmed in an angle that showcased how heroic and smart she is!

The scene of her seeing her entire "girlboss" future ending with her dying old and alone is both tragic and absolutely hysterical that in all their creativity, that is what Disney thought would be a successful life

Wendy seeing herself dying old and alone and still thinking that it's a happy ending is too funny to me

Wait, Hook has no happy memories to help him fly? He was an orphan boy who got adopted by pirates and eventually became their captain, and at no point did he feel happy? He can’t remember the time he finally felt accepted? The first time he got congratulated for doing some pirate-task correctly? Or the moment he earned the respect of his men and was accepted as their captain? What?

"It's hard to think of any story that's been more brutally compromised than Peter Pan" Snow White: "Hold my Bud Light"

"Lost boys." "But you're not all boys." "So??" "Well I guess it doesn't really matter" Top tier writing

It's actually hilarious watching writers insert themselves into every script

Ya know, for a kid who never grows up and is supposed to be happy and always thinks that everything is some kind of game, even when fighting for his life against Hook, I never once saw Peter laugh or give a full smile throughout the entire movie

I think what happened was everyone saw Hermione punch Draco in Prisoner of Azkaban and thought “hell yeah, girl!” But screenwriters (for Disney especially) didn’t understand WHY that moment rocked. First off, Draco actually deserved it. Secondly, the punch felt real and believable. It was something a 13 year old girl could do to a 13 year old boy. Third, it was a *character* moment for Hermione- rule-following, somewhat shy Hermione to stick up to a bully. It demonstrated how she was growing and changing as she got older and spent time with Harry and Ron. She was learning to see when the rules are not the most important thing. Just having the main girl hit one of the main boys does not an awesome moment make.

The more Disney makes the same mistake, the less they seem to learn from it. It's actually astounding.

If it's set in Victorian England then Wendy is truely the greatest clairvoyant of all time. After all she was able to look into the future and see herself flying a plane when they had not even been invented yet. Surprised they didnt have a scene where she showed the Wright Brothers how it was done.

Anyone else notice how much physically smaller Peter is than Wendy? Not so subtle imagery from Disney, audiences aren’t allowed to form their own emotions or opinions anymore

I knew this movie would have no redeeming qualities at all once I learned that there are other girls living in Neverland with Peter, defeating literally the entire purpose of him taking Wendy to Neverland in the first place.

Can you imagine a male character slapping a female character in modern cinema like that? Neither can I. Pure hypocrisy.

When Wendy slapped Peter Pan, that was so stunning and brave. The British Crown would have been proud of her slapping an indian boy smaller than her.

This movie is a literal representation of: How to lose hundreds of millions of dollars and still not learn your lesson.

I'm a bit disappointed to not see many comments mentioning the 2003 Peter Pan version. Although far from perfect, I find it actually the best version of Peter Pan I've seen because it has the balance between the original story while also incorporating a few "modern" factors to it. Maybe it's mainly my childhood nostalgia and subjective view but I really really love everything about that film. From characters, actors, script, beautiful visuals to the magical music

"What Wendy represented was growth, responsibility, maturity" I wonder why modern activists, I mean writers changed that? 🤔

The problem with “modern audiences” is the fact that they don’t actually watch what’s made for them…

"To be forgotten as quickly as posable," that hit me hard man, and perfectly describes all new Disney movies.

The first movie I ever saw at the cinema was Bambi, in 1976, when I was four years old. It is utterly depressing that I have lived long enough to see this company - which was once magical to me - sink to the base, cynical levels which it exemplifies today. All those moments lost in time, like tears in rain.

Disney's obsession with misunderstood villains continues to grate my nerves. There is a reason why disney villains were so beloved and disney itself has forgotten that reason.

The fact they saw Wendy, a person who displayed motherly instincts to the lost boys and became the centerpiece for Peter Pan’s moral. And they thought, Wendy didn’t do enough. Really shows the difference between how girls were written then, and how they’re written now.

Wait, so Wendy hauls off and slaps a boy MUCH smaller than she is, and this is supposed to somehow be empowering?

The only "girl power" that I can accept is Elizabeth Swan in Pirates of Caribbean. Because she is feminine, smart and brave. She is not overly "bad ass" and not "overly masculine" nor is she the "i dont need a man" type

I loved how disney just thought “You know what? Let’s have Wendy slap peter so it can be proved even further that she’s a girl boss and that way girls can think it’s okay to assault guys! We’re gonna make billions off of this!”

Disney will either correct their mistakes or they will crash and burn. Either way, it will be entertaining.

I loved the fact tink was a shapely, thick, sassy badass jealous magical b*tch in the original film.

that slap isn't from someone who's worried. The hatred and nauseating annoyance is blaring through her facial expression and body language.

I love how they couldn't even pretend to be subtle with their intentions that they even chose a short boy to play Peter and a tall girl to play Wendy.

One detail sticks out like a sore thumb, and that's when Wendy bitch-slaps Peter. That's child abuse, and the studio execs should have realized that. Why was that left in, do you think?

Guy punches girl in movie: Uproar Girl slaps guy in movie; Yeh, she's empowered!

Oh boy, the scene with Wendy being old and alone and not surrounded by the family, really fits for today's audience. So sad though.

I love how basically no one in the comments has watched this film. We just let Drinker suffer for us, and gratefully watch his much better 11 minute video.

I lost all respect for this Wendy when she breaks a mirror while playing with her brothers and then blames them when confronted. She shows no remorse and even doubles down, making her appear more like a miserable angsty bully.

The way we got one of my favorite live action remakes in 2003, which just happened to be Peter Pan, and exactly 20 years later we get this... We're evolving backwards.

I love how when they changed some of the lost boys to be girls it actually insults girls more it is said that the reason why girls don’t get captured in the original is because they’re too smart

Yes I have always wondered what watching the zombified corpses of my childhood dreams would be like. Thanks Disney.

As an arrogant, close-minded male myself, I used to dismiss all the old Disney movies to my friends and family to affirm my toxic masculinity when I was a young adolescent😂. Now, after finally growing TF up and no longer caring so much about what people think of me, along with seeing this modern garbage that is 2020s Disney, I dropped that front I used to put up and can’t help but exclaim that those old Disney Animated Films are some of the greatest in cinema history! And it’s because the storytelling and lessons learned from them are absolute masterclass.

In the 2003 Peter Pan, I loved how soft, smart and feminine Wendy was and yet so cool. That was definitely my favourite Wendy and Peter Pan, they’re chemistry as-well was unmatched and the director stuck to the damn storyline. Felt the magic through the screen as I watched it as a kid, I was also totally jealous of Wendy 😂 obviously grown out of that now though.

As a woman I have to say I’m getting so tired of this forced female empowerment at all costs trope. It’s like they put a woman as the main character and make her the strongest, smartest, bravest, etc out of all other characters and the woman lead has no faults. It just feels like pandering and to check a diversity/inclusivity box. They almost always have a poorly written dialogue and zero personality that don’t make them even likable characters. People have forgotten that you can write a good female lead without it feeling forced and cheap. One of my favorites is Ellen Ripley from Alien. I miss female leads like that. I hope eventually directors and script writers will figure out most women hate these characters and will stop writing them like that and give us some good female leads again.

The part where Wendy said "But you aren't all boys", and they all replied in unison "Did you just assume our gender?" really had me in tears. Truly a diverse modern masterpiece

One of the Disney theme parks is powered by a generator that is hooked to Walt Disney's tomb.

I am currently rewatching all disney movies in the order of their production, and it stricked me how much the new changes actually influence the movies. The main difference is that the new versions of old characters almost never make mistakes, and thus, they never have to learn. More over - whenever smth bad happens to them, it's not their fault, it's because other characters made smth bad. The most stricking example for me (as I will only talk about those disney movies that I currently watched the older versions of) is the Pinokio. All of the lessons of this story were literally thrown away. I bet anyone to find a single thing that pinokio actually does wrong in a new version... he "magically " grows up and learns how to be a true boy by... random things happening to him?

A story about the difficulties of growing up written by people who never had to. I truly wonder what it feels like to write characters so devoid of, well character.

I'm honestly disturbed by Wendy slapping Peter Pan. In an age when children seem to be becoming more violent and unhinged by the day due to a lack of good morals being taught to them, this is bastardization of beloved characters on a whole new level.

"but your not all boys" "so" "guess it doesn't even matter" it actually FUCKING DOES! imagine the girl scouts having tonnes of boys.

I'm honestly surprised that Tiger Lilly and Wendy didn't end up together. It's what "modern audiences" would have wanted to spice up this dumpster fire.

I laughed hard when they show Wendy's happy memories is the thought of growing old and alone.

That full wind-up slap on what looks like a 13 year old kid by a girl a head taller than him was uncomfortable to watch lol

I love when Disney's attempts at inclusion points backfire because of something they didn't account for. The explanation for why it was only lost boys in the original was basically that boys are stupid and thus, would get lost easier than girls. Now that they've put girls in the lost boys, it does send an equality message, but the message is girls are just as naive and ignorant as boys. Same thing happened in Pinocchio where they added girls to the Pleasure Island scene. It definitely wasn't the intended message, but it's the message you get with the original context.

What's not often talked about is the beautiful ending of 1953 Peter Pan. Wendy returns from NeverLand less afraid of growing up to adulthood, AND: her blustery father gets a glimpse of his lost childhood and experiences once more the innocent joy within. What symmetry and balance, speaking to the need to keep one's inner child while not shirking adult responsibilities. I fear that being able to craft these kind of deeper themes and emotions is a lost art with today's producers and network executives.

Captain Hook being a former "Lost Boy" who unable to find his mother and returns to Neverland as an adult, and finding he does not fit in and longing for simpler times is a fascinating take. Too bad Disney couldn't find it in their hearts to hire a writer or director who could actually do something interesting with that concept.

I love how all of these dreadful remakes send everyone back to the original animated features.

With how much you liked Puss In Boots: The Last Wish for refusing to pander to _modern audiences_ that do not exist, and actually being smart with its writing choices for storytelling and character-building, I am a bit surprised that you never went in the opposite direction to get angry at Ralph Breaks the Internet, with many of the same criticisms that you gave towards Santa Inc. or Peter Pan and Wendy.

What’s hilarious is that the Lost Boys didn’t have any girls in their group because girls were too smart to fall for Peter Pan’s tricks. Similarly to Pinocchio, where the original didn’t have any girls going to Pleasure Island, but in the remake change that. The hilarity is that Disney tried to be diverse to make girls happy, only to not realize that girls not being amongst the lost boys was actually a compliment from the very beginning. 😂

The worst thing I find about the dialog at 2:54 is the complete shutdown of the questioning of the name 'Lost Boys'. She makes a good point of saying you're not all boys so why call yourselves 'lost boys'. The counter argument is just an aggressive 'so?' and based on that single word alone Wendy shuts down her curiosity and thinking brain and just says 'it doesnt matter' what a wonderful thing to teach kids!

You know Disney has created another piece of crap when they turn off their own comments on the trailer video.

Old wendy represented motherhood to me when I was a kid. A loving kind and feminine nature graceful classy and mature without being a know-it-all.

At this point, Disney deserves total bankruptcy.

Disney is the definition of insanity,doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

Disney - Turning childhood memories into adult nightmares.

"Don't Question it! Just clap like the mindless seals that you are!" 🤣 Pretty much sums up every recent disney offering.

Disney understands the villains so well and rewrites them into tragic, misunderstood anti-heroes because Disney IS the villian now and can relate more to the villian than the hero.

Is no one going to call out the fact that Wendy imagines herself flying a late 1930s style biplane in a story that takes place in 1902, a year before the first powered flight?

Peter Pan: girls are much too clever to be lost, mothers are important to children, a girl is nurturing to her younger siblings Disney: NOt oN MY fuCkinG WatCh

I honestly had no idea this movie existed...the algorithms must be working. Thanks for the beautiful reminder of what is so lovely about the original characters!

Literally every female arc in 2020s is just “realising how awesome she is!”

It's hilarious that they basically turned Peter Pan into a villain.

The true villain of this movie was the character writing. Jude Law represents the audience investment in modern Disney.

Disney is such an insanely evil entity in this universe

On top of everything else, it bothers me that they broke a decades long tradition and got separate actors for Hook and Mr. Darling. They've always traditionally been played by the same actor because Hook represents everything Wendy and the boys despise about the idea of growing up and they initially see those qualities reflected in their father. But when they return to London, they see him as a real person and that growing up isn't all that bad. Their perspective of their father has softened and they no longer see him as the villain. But Disney doesn't have anyone in any of their departments who understands the old stories they're paid to ruin.

I liked the part when Robin Williams played an older Peter who forgot how to have fun and has a whole original story that stays faithful to Peter pan and is great for everyone to watch

Disney's stock has dropped 39% wince last year, yet they still haven't learned their lesson. Let's watch as one of the biggest entertainment kingdoms ever crashes and burns.

Disney is the corporate equivalent of a beloved family restaurant adding a sign that they now spit in every meal.

Once again, the Drinkers 11 minute take down is more entertaining than any 2 hour Disney special produced in the last 5-6 years.

Love the part where they just throw in a plane in Wendy's vision of her adult life, and don't stop to think for even a moment that planes might not have been invented before the Peter Pan show, nor that the planes wouldn't be made like that back then.

I have always looked up to Wendy as a child. She's confident but not aggressive. She's kind and polite but she can stand up for herself. And she never thought of herself as better than anyone in Neverland. She has a nurturing nature that inspired child me to be the same. She was like the model older sister I wish I would become. I mean the classic Wendy of course. I don't know who this new "Wendy" is...

The only Peter Pan Live action movie I will accept is the one with Jason Issacs as Captain Hook - and that wasn't by Disney. It was by Universal. Jason Issacs played Captain Hook. Thinking back now, the movie was hella dark. People got shot, Tinkerbell tried to kill Wendy, someone killed a fairy, Tink nearly died, Peter nearly died, like half the movie was just these adults attempting to brutally murder these kids. Not only that, but the dude's crew literally halves by the end of the movie as Hook's crew is like... well dead. Tinkerbell is also a real asshole in the movie, probably worse than the OG Disney adaptation. I have never relished in a character's death so much.

Lately I've forgotten that Disney even existed

"Appeal to modern audiences" The second any Drinker viewers hear this, they know that it's going to be bad.

Cant even call them the lost boys, I only refer to them as homeless kids

disney kept pushing their loyal fans away for the sake if 'modern' audience... sad that they don't think being soft, feminine and have a brain can actually be a much more relatable and powerful message for 'modern' audience

I got chills when Wendy looked into the camera and yelled "for the tempest in me!" and then proceeded to slap the toxic masculinity out of Luke Skywalker. Amazing.

I would have loved it if they'd named it "Wendy, Tiger Lilly, Tinker Bell & the lost diverse individuals - feat. special guest appearances from someone pretending to be Peter Pan" 😅

Best version is the 2003 Peter Pan. Jeremy Sumpter is a perfect Peter, Jason Isaacs (Malfoy's father from Harry Potter) is Mr. Darling and Hook. Best version I've ever seen. I'm not surprised that Disney hosed up yet another beloved old story.

I find myself in an untenable middle when it comes to the issue of being a "modern" woman. In some ways, I am. In others, I am definitely not. I don't regret not having kids, but I adore my husband and think men are wonderful. I use my career success to prop up relatives and friends who struggle. In that way, since I'm not good at the emotional stuff, I support others in a quasi-maternal way. I actually struggle with other women more than men. I've never been able to navigate those relationships, be they familial or purely social. I think we're better off when we work together than against each other. I like watching men and women kick ass, even if they don't use their legs. I like watching both sexes overcome obstacles in different ways. These modern "female" "characters" don't even have masculine traits. They have sarcasm and smugness. They're machines, but not awesome machines, just bland, calculative figures who bounce from one scenario to the next and are rude to everyone in the process. It is only through failure that you succeed. The failures are what make us root for the heroes. You can't emotionally get behind someone who just does things and treats everyone as lessers. That's called being a dick. Who actually likes these so-called characters? Apparently no one since these movies keep failing.

Making every villain have a tragic backstory, and saying "Oh they're just misunderstood" is honestly an insanely dangerous message to teach kids. There are bad people in the world, truly evil people in fact, but teaching kids that the villains and bad people of the movies they watch are just misunderstood and tragic characters, is gonna give them a terrifyingly skewed world view of what bad people are.

My wife was really excited to watch this. It took about 46 seconds for her to say “what’s goin on here?” And she kept saying it wasn’t right. We watched about 8 minutes and went to find the original.

I mean to be fair, the original Disney's Peter Pan was probably an equal bastardization of the original story made for the audiences of the time. I agree though that it seems really odd that the most important thing we seem to be wanting to teach girls is that they don't need anybody to be happy, as if the perfect life of a girl is to sit at home scrolling through Instagram with a giant smile on her face 24/7 and waiting for an opportunity to punch a man for oppressing her with his masculinity. I don't think we're ready for the Pandora's Box soon to be opened when we realized that we sterilized our future generations with sanctimony.

J.M Barrie is probably turning in his grave right now.

There's something profoundly uncanny about seeing a fantasy children's story portrayed in such a cold, desaturated modern cinematic style. EDIT: that shot of Wendy dying alone on a couch in a luxury home is hilarious.

All these remakes are basically, "Hey kids, wanna see lamer versions that are forgettable? Well, here you go".