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🎬 In this FilmSpeak video essay we discuss Spider-Man and why Peter Parker is Broken and MCU Spider Man is the worst example of this issue.
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🕷️ Is Peter Parker forever stuck in high school? In this thought-provoking video, we delve into the complex journey of Peter Parker, the beloved Spider-Man, and examine why he's been kept in a perpetual state of adolescence, unable to embrace the challenges of adulthood.
Join us as we explore how writers and filmmakers have consistently resorted to trauma as a means to halt Peter Parker's growth, keeping him forever young. We'll break down the recurring themes and moments in the Spider-Man comics and adaptations that have led to this perpetual teenager syndrome.
🕸️ The most glaring example of this issue can be seen in Tom Holland's portrayal of Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe or MCU. Ther is a huge problem with MCU Spiderman. Despite Holland's age and extensive portrayal of the character in three movies, Peter Parker is still trapped in high school, fawning over heroes that should be his peers like Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel We'll discuss the impact of this stagnation on the character and the narrative as a whole and how it's let to the problem with modern Spider-Man
🌟 But it's not all doom and gloom! We'll also explore how the Spider-Verse movies, "Into the Spider-Verse" and the upcoming "Across the Spider-Verse," have brilliantly addressed this issue. In particular, we'll delve into the character of Peter B. Parker and how he provides a refreshing, relatable, and meta-commentary on Marvel's tendency to keep its heroes forever young and what can happen when they allow them to grow up and embrace adulthood. That's why spider-verse worked and no way home failed.
Join us for a deep dive into the fascinating world of Spider-Man and the challenges of growing up in the comic book universe. Griffin (@griffschiller) explains why Spider-Man is broken, the problem with Peter Parker, how Spider-Verse improved Peter Parker, why Across the Spider-Verse is a masterpiece and should be looked at as the gold standard for how to tell a compelling and exciting Spider Man story. We also explore how the Spider-Man video games succeeded, especially with the release of spider man 2 ps5, where the movies have failed in this Peter Parker explained and Spider-Man explained video. Enjoy this Spider-Man video essay and Spider-Man analysis on how we KILLED Peter Parker and how to fix Tom Holland Spider-Man.
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@FilmSpeak 11 месяцев назад

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@SpammytheHedgehog 11 месяцев назад

I do. Spider-Man is amazing.

@NadeemShekh-uy9zn 11 месяцев назад

Yes

@thegreatacolyt1277 11 месяцев назад

@@ch42965true you are right except 616 is also one of the best just not recently

@thegreatacolyt1277 11 месяцев назад

Broken and that's not a bad or good thing they shouldn't push that onto every charecter

@Robin_Is 11 месяцев назад

Ok.

@n1ghtglare 11 месяцев назад

This is why I'm loving Ismomniac's Peter Parker so far. We're following a Spider-man who has been at least 8 years in the business and he has real problems and he handles everything like an adult. An actual adult Spider-man. The way he's mentor to Miles, the way he treats everyone around him, the way he talks to people at FEAST, his final talk with Doc Ock. I love all that. I hope they nail it again with Spider-man 2. Cautiously optimistic lol

@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 11 месяцев назад

True but the face change COULD have been done to make him look younger.

@tachytack 11 месяцев назад

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 it's been years since it changed and I'm still not over it. just find it unnecessary

@juicebox1223 11 месяцев назад

Yuri just looks too old nowadays to play a spiderman mask off therefore making motion capture very difficult. That is why they changed it. And the new face actor has done a good job imo, he can really still portray the emotion and it just allows for them to grow this face throughout the next few games (assuming a spiderman 3 will exist hopefully)

@TheAMVDorf 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, and even if he does go through tragedy, it’s how he grows from it, and how it develops the character that makes him so good. My only problem with this video was claiming that trauma is inherently negative, and that trauma being linked to the character is a “mistake”, but it isn’t, spider-man’s whole thing is pushing through tragedy, and making the most out of life, I mean, his origin is literally tragic, it’s how he grew from that, how he used that to be a better person, that defined him

@dylanwhite6539 11 месяцев назад

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259I remember looking into this and basically, something about the game engine makes the old face look broken when they tried to adapt it, so that’s why the had to recast him. The character writing is very consistent with an older Spider-Man

@LoganLawrence 11 месяцев назад

This is why insomniac is having so much success with their franchise. They understand the character and what story needs to be told because they are actually FANS of the character.

@filipbrcko 11 месяцев назад

That is so true. They are basicaly fans making games. Insomniacs spiderman is my fav

@mookiedt 9 месяцев назад

Not so sure anymore

@SpFlash1523 9 месяцев назад

@@mookiedt I think not, as well.

@levimachado 5 месяцев назад

Are they though...

@joycongod4831 6 часов назад

@@mookiedtyes but plz tell me why you don’t think so

@FettMaster8 11 месяцев назад

Two things... 1.) I agree with your take on MCU Peter. My hope is that, now that he essentially hit the reset button yet is still aware of his past, he'll be able to move forward in ways that build upon his mistakes. He has an apartment, he has a police radio, and he has his Spider-Suit-a perfect jumping-off point for what could be massive character growth. Fingers so, SO crossed. 2.) Read Spider-Man: Life Story if you haven't already. It's written as if Peter ages decade by decade, starting in the 60s and going all the way up to the modern day. Brilliant stuff.

@rickrivers2021 11 месяцев назад

That's not Spider-Man Blue, that's Spider-Man Life Story. Spider-Man Blue is just retelling the early stories of him and Gwen.

@FettMaster8 11 месяцев назад

@@rickrivers2021 Yes, I've read Spider-Man: Blue as well. Also brilliant stuff

@robertrowley4929 5 месяцев назад

Indeed; Life Story is the true love letter to Spider-Man as a whole.

@flamebreaker7318 Месяц назад

Nah they took an original Spider-Man that wasn’t just a 616 rip off and pissed on him till he was just as sad and pathetic as comic Peter

@lamfrancisco154 11 месяцев назад

Something I’d love someone to speak on is the Peter from the 90s animated Madam Web crossover who didn’t have the trama of loosing Ben. After Across the Spiderverse I immediately thought of that version and was curious how he’d fit into the conversation on what “needs” to happen

@ajwebhead21 11 месяцев назад

Yeah but miles did give me an idea that not every superhero needs to keep going through trauma, and trauma doesn't always make a hero. Sometimes, it makes villains. Miles isn't a hero because of guilt he did it because he has a good heart. Yes, he did lose his uncle, but he was trying to be spider-man before that. He did it because he made a promise, and sometimes that is what it takes.Just cause he isn't traumatized like the others, it doesn't make you spider-man. That's why I was against miguel being spider-man means putting others first even if it cast you your happiness or life. Not allowing someone to suffer or die doing nothing. That is the first thing when I think of spider-man, and Miles shown that time and time again in both movies without having to lose alot.

@trevturp6891 11 месяцев назад

@@ajwebhead21 Every superhero does need to keep going through trauma.

@jameshicks1445 11 месяцев назад

@@trevturp6891why?

@kaptainkibiroproductions45 11 месяцев назад

@@trevturp6891they need to keep going *in spite* of trauma. Not be complacent and just *allow* horrible things to happen. It's why Hulk is the bar-none strongest character, it's not the ancient magic and energy or cosmic radiation or whatever. He's strongest because he completely personifies "persevering through pain/grief/trauma." And the absolute impossible feats anyone can become capable of doing when they learn how to completely do that. With Hulk they just personified it as a Giant Green Monster who can rip The Celestials in half with his bare hands. It's no different for why Miles's Story in ATSV works so well and why Miguel is an excellent foil for him while also not being the *actual* full-on villain of the story.

@thegreatacolyt1277 11 месяцев назад

@@trevturp6891no they don't

@parkermurden 11 месяцев назад

I feel like the Insomniac Spider-Man games have done better with this concept of letting Peter grow older. The fact we flat out skip high school and college was very refreshing in the 2018 game.... Interested to see how his story progresses in the new game!

@godzelda123 11 месяцев назад

And Miles gets to be the younger Spider-Man. It's the best of both worlds

@blazypoo1723 11 месяцев назад

Yea... They did Peter dirty in the second game ngl. They have made it clear as day they wanna phase out Peter and make Miles their #1 MC. They made him weirdly incompetent at being Spider-Man at times when Spider-Man 1 Peter had feats that would make those failures look like light work.

@swamprat22 11 месяцев назад

@@blazypoo1723he will be in the third game though, and he will come out of retirement, its abundtantly clear

@blazypoo1723 11 месяцев назад

@@swamprat22 I am confident that they will kill Peter off at the end of the third game.

@gothamdarkknight3729 11 месяцев назад

@@blazypoo1723bro, TF you on about? How's Peter incompetent in the game? He's clearly still a very competent Spider-Man but just letting Miles take over some of the stuff because he wants to have more time for his personal life. I actually love what they're doing with Pete. The fact that there's another Spider-Man around let's Peter have a break and put some time into his normal life. The only people close to him are MJ, Miles, and Harry at this point. He doesn't have a lot of friendships outside of that because he dedicated most of his time to being Spider-Man. I doubt he's gonna completely retire, the fact that they're setting up Norman and Octavius as possible villains for a third game would make it very personal for Peter. But if he actually retires after that and let's Miles take over completely, I can 100% see why. You can't be a hero forever man. Part of being a hero is teaching others courage so they can take the mantle after you're gone. Peter's been around for over 50 years. It's time to let others take the mantle too. Let the poor man rest.

@trevinodude 11 месяцев назад

The main issue with the regression of Peter Parker, is that Marvel could have and should have committed to an older Peter Parker. It’s not like they couldn’t have released a new series filled with teenage Spidey stories. They created series like Untold Stories of Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man, etc. Spider-Man is a timeless character because you can always make new versions that strikes the chord of a teenage Spidey. Heck, both PlayStation Peter and Spider Verse has shown people WANT a grown up Peter. Heck, isn’t that the whole point of bringing Miles into Earth 616 after Secret Wars happened, to allow Miles to be the younger Spider-Man? Marvel needs to learn that we all want to see adult Peter because we all loved adult Peter… and besides, through the use of alternate universes and/or Miles Morales, there will always be a younger Spider-Man to keep fanning the flames for younger fans.

@WikiThis 11 месяцев назад

Not only do they have Miles to give people teenage superhero stories, they're also rebooting/relaunching the Ultimate Universe so we'll probably get a teenage Peter from that. At this point it feels like a missed opportunity to not let him age up.

@windghost2 11 месяцев назад

@@WikiThisActually Hickman said that his Peter would be “Ultimate Peter B. Parker.” In a midlife crisis. So we’re getting an older Peter who going through hardship.

@WikiThis 11 месяцев назад

@@windghost2 Honestly, that description has me curious now. Sounds a more interesting than what ever mainline Peter is doing.

@windghost2 11 месяцев назад

@@WikiThis Agreed.

@mediumvillain 11 месяцев назад

Yeah. They did all that for awhile w the comics but then they decided to completely undo it in a way everyone hated, ruined the comics for years, and they've sort of bounced back and forth between letting him grow and then taking it all away again. They do the same thing with the movies. Spider-Man grows from a teenager to a young man but then they end the progress and reboot it all again with a new teenage Peter Parker.

@ubedelarosa7562 11 месяцев назад

I don't understand. The whole theme of MCU spiderman is about growing up. And he DOES grow up. I'd say he is the film adaptation of spiderman that has had the most noticeable growth. Precisely because of the contrast of how young he starts. But somehow he... didn't grow up? He is still trapped in adolescence? Did we watch the same movies? Each iteration of spiderman is basically a different character in of itself. Why are we treating Peter Parker like this cosmic entity that embodies each iteration and is somehow going through the same loops of development every single time. That's the whole point of rebooting something. To have a NEW take, not to carry the same story and expectations you had with the character from 20 years ago. You want to let Peter Parker grow? You also have to let an iteration of him DIE and accept that new iterations are different, and have different progressions.

@bigoof9486 4 месяца назад

Yea i dont really agree with his thought process about the MCU spiderman. Its the biggest difference of the the previous. In the previous Peter grew up fast in 10 intervals. MCU occured withjn a cpl of years. It was put on fast forward. In the MCU. Hes only been spiderman for barely 4 years in his timeline. Hes an infant superhero because hes an infant superhero. The other spiderman had life and time to grow up and mature. MCU is going indepth of how it is actually developing him as Peter is becoming independent and growing up and how it shapes him as spiderman. You want an adult spiderman theres plenty of that. Into the spiderverse and MCU is that they are growing up. Personally im glad that we got to see more of the MCUs of how it actually shows how Peter is trying to go up and processes tehe things that happen. We already got Peter in across the spiderverse get married and have kids. Its just not in live action. So personally i dont really understand the complaint hes pointing out. It feels contradictory.

@shadowanderson2004 11 месяцев назад

I feel like a lot of people just don't understand MCU Peter's story. First, unlike popular belief NWH was NOT based on One More Day it was based on One Moment in Time which is the book that "explains" One More Day. (it also has one of the greatest negative space covers I’ve seen) There is dialoged that is ripped straight out of the book. Second, MCU Peter is not supposed to be comic book Peter. This is a Peter who as a young child was saved by Ironman (he's the little kid from Ironman 2) and has looked up to/worshiped superheroes for almost his entire life. This is a Peter who grew up in a world of heroes. Comic book Peter Parker was the first Superhero in the marvel comic. (the fantastic four are not superheroes they are adventures with superpowers) MCU peters childhood hero was ironman while Comic Peters childhood hero was his father.

@chronodemon8 11 месяцев назад

Exactly! Context matters. The MCU isn't like the comics. In the comics Spider-Man was literally one of the first superheroes and had been a part of basically every superhero team in the setting. In the MCU he's barely had his powers for like 6 months before Tony showed up in Civil War. Of course he'd need a mentor. The trilogy is all about him learning to be his own hero. It also makes sense has has access to better technology. Ant-Man literally has nano suits and so does everyone on his team. Peter should likewise have that tech eventually especially since he literally had a mentorship at Stark Industries.

@Linklex7 11 месяцев назад

Still don’t matter. Still doesn’t make MCU Peter a good character. Which he didn’t become until the end of No Way Home

@shadowanderson2004 11 месяцев назад

@@Linklex7 disagree

@chronodemon8 11 месяцев назад

@@Linklex7 yeah no that's completely bullshit. Peter in the MCU is a perfectly fine character since he bounces off of and causes status quo changes, as any character in a shared world should.

@Bulsara777 11 месяцев назад

Funny that you didn't mention Insomniac's Peter Parker. I think this is the best recent adaptation of the character that allows Peter to mature and grow up, we started with a Peter that has been spider-man for 8 years already, have fought countless super villains besides his main 3 arch nemesis, and in the second game he will be Spider-man for 10 years, mentoring Miles for 2 years as a new Spder-MAN, not spider-boy, he's not Peter's sidekick, and by the end of the game Peter will pretty much be the same age he was when One More Day happened in the comics, but at least we know Insomniac will move on beyond that.

@TheJ_G 11 месяцев назад

I guess I always just assumed that by the end of No Way Home, they had created an entire trilogy out of the build up to him becoming Spider-Man that usually occupies the first 20-30 minutes of other Spider-Man origin movies. By the end of No Way Home, he’s experienced his form of “get your shit together” moments/tropes, and ultimately took responsibility for himself and sacrificed his entire existence up to that point for the greater good of others; Ushering him into a less child-like Spiderman going forward. Now if they continue with the child-like spiderman in the next couple films, your theory of keeping him locked in development will be true. But until that happens, they definitely seem to be setting up a new phase for him and completing his initial journey into becoming Spiderman, and not just getting the Powers/suits. The next set of movies need to be centered around him BEING Spiderman, since they basically built a trilogy out of him BECOMING Spiderman.

@Burstofwar 11 месяцев назад

100% The complaint about MCU Peter in this video was so out of place when put next to all of the legitimate criticism. Homecoming was in 2017, No Way Home was 2021. We had Peter in high school for 4 years in the MCU, exactly as we should.

@inolynch7526 11 месяцев назад

this was what i was about to comment but you put it way better than i would've. let's just wait and see. if in spiderman 4 the growth to adulthood doesn;t show , which im pretty sure it will cuz marvel know what their doing in my opinion, then this video is 100% true.

@WereJustCephalopods 11 месяцев назад

Yuri Watanabe: “The doctor said you have 14 broken bones” Peter: “Which means I have 192 non-broken ones” *guys I had 206 likes but I lost 14 of them I now have 192… ;-;*

@MattDraper 11 месяцев назад

I’m unfamiliar with the character. Have you heard of Daredevil?

@FilmSpeak 11 месяцев назад

I have not...Johnny Blaze perhaps?

@racool911 11 месяцев назад

I honestly have no idea why you think the GED scene from No Way Home is somehow delaying him to go to college when in fact it's the opposite. Him doing a Ged exam was just their way of getting him into college despite the stuff that happened in the movie. It would be bizarre if the next movie doesn't start with him in college, and I'm confused why you would bet the opposite. MCU Spiderman has to follow the MCU timeline, they're not deliberately slowing his development but matching it with the world of the MCU. Peter is gonna act like a high school sophomore in 2017 and he's gonna act like a high school senior in 2024 (because of the snap). And he's gonna act like a college student years after that. They're matching it with real time the same way the comics did. I know this because I'm literally growing with Peter. I was focused on my dance when he was. I was focused on my college apps when he was. And I'm gonna be focusing on college issues when he's gonna be

@inventorking9124 11 месяцев назад

Exactly! :D

@Dinosaursof 10 месяцев назад

Great take! This is how it was for me with Andy from Toy Story and Harry Potter.

@JoeyThorburn 11 месяцев назад

I agree with a lot of your points, but at the same time I think in some ways the MCU Spider-Man’s continual vibe of being young and inexperienced through his movies feels kind of authentic for the current time period. The portrayal of Spider-Man has often had him be a teenager while having his superhero identity be justification for him to be treated in the narrative and BY the narrative as if he’s a fully grown adult. His stories often don’t let us think too deeply about the ethics of a teenage superhero getting beat up by adults because they’re too busy dazzling us with cool action. “It’s not messed up for a kid to fight adult supervillains, he has powers!” I definitely agree that Peter deserves to age and experience really solid character growth, but you have to let him be a kid, and VISIBLY, for the growth to really show. We’re more aware these days that our brains are still developing past 18, and so there’s still a lot of growing up to do even when he’s in college. I definitely agree that he needs to experience some of those changes without tragedy, but I think removing every single bad thing would be doing him a disservice. A lot of the time, people learn important lessons as a result of tragedy, and that’s not to say that tragedy is a necessary part of becoming a better person but it’s honestly a realistic one, and that kind of realistic characterisation is what makes Spider-Man my favourite superhero. Awesome video dude, I learned a lot

@matthewburton6360 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, I hope they continue letting the Tom Holland spiderman grow up. I want to see more of his villians and personal issues as he learns to become an adult without his mentors.

@jacobtarter2237 10 месяцев назад

Agreed, plus even then he still did grow a lot in nwh . Even if they didn’t show him graduate, it shows him looking at colleges and eventually and moving out on his own (which is a huge ass moment )

@nordicstorm9666 10 месяцев назад

I feel like the way they made the 3 movies about him still learning the ropes and figuring stuff out was really good, and the end of nwh gave me the feeling they now gonna show him becoming an adult. Felt like they gave the end a more gritty vibe and by removing all the stark tech he will probably grow into his own hero. I would guess they gonna make this a trilogy as well. So the first three being him learning what it means to be a superhero and the next is him growing up and learning what it means to be an adult

@SociaCin 10 месяцев назад

That, and he was 15 when introduced. Couple years later he got blipped from existence for 5 years, then films 2 and 3 happen immediately after. so he's still a teen.

@babyzeno9604 10 месяцев назад

A lot of these critics seem to misunderstand Spider-man's run in the MCU, much like how the writers of today do their best to screw over Peter's life to add unnecessary drama and trauma. The MCU is not only a collection of stories, but it's a continuing narrative that is interconnected in a single universe, meaning events have an impact on other stories. Peter has a naive and childlike persona and glorified angle on heroism at the start was because he grew up with the likes of Iron Man and Captain America being prominent characters in his life, news and interviews about them, their history is known to all. Peter wanting to be an avenger and him being a petulant child is accurate since everyone grew up with the image of the Avengers being the best, wanting to be like his Hero who saved his life when he was a kid is a major factor too. Peter in the MCU is a teen, and the way they framed it actually works because even if we continue to throw in comments about Comic Peter, you forget MCU Peter doesn't have that history yet, he was just starting and Comic Peter is mostly stand alone and isolated from other heroes, they have no interaction or impact on one another unlike the events in the MCU. Also to note, Tony Stark being his mentor also falls in the same category, there's no way they'll let a vigilante go around doing stuff after the whole fiasco of Ultron and the massive destruction caused by Hero fights, that's why Peter was introduced during Civil War and became Tony's unofficial Mentee, it's to show that previous events impact how others perceive characters and that a Vigilante like Spider-Man in the MCU would have been arrested by the authority under the Soccovia accords regardless, so him being Tony's mentee gives him leeway to do his thing. Tony isn't the greatest example of a mentor, so Peter had to contend with that and the fact he barely had time with the man and then suddenly his legacy falls on his shoulders, which became the starting point of Peter breaking away from the teenage years and starting to glimpse the grima nature of the business and the amount of sacrifices made, that's why it ended with Peter losing everything and starting over again. He didn't graduate not because they want to continue him being a young teen, but because even if he did Graduate, or meant nothing when all his records are forgotten, Unlike one more day, in the MCU Peter Parker no longer exist so he had to start over and get his GED.

@ske7chy 11 месяцев назад

I tried rewatching all the live-action movies to see why I lost touch, but this video sums it up perfectly. Pete never grows up. Besides the crazy futuristic tech he shouldn’t have, the closest thing to adulthood, for me, is insomniac Spider-Man and Spider-verse. Also, Tom’s Spidey has been anything but a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man. He’s barely in the neighbourhood. As Nick Fury once said, “bitch please, you've been to space.” Half the time, he’s on Avenger-level missions. 😂

@b_a_t_m_a_n_ 11 месяцев назад

Tom's version is spiderman in name only.

@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 11 месяцев назад

Spider-man fights crime and evil everywhere, just like every good guy. Not just in one place.

@ShockwaveFPSStudios 11 месяцев назад

That’s my problem with all the Live Action versions of Spider-Man. They take bits and pieces of Spider-Man, but they forget some of the the biggest points of the Webhead.

@ubedelarosa7562 11 месяцев назад

Someone didn't watch Homecoming

@ShockwaveFPSStudios 11 месяцев назад

@@ubedelarosa7562 That movie is part of the problem

@alextorres8635 11 месяцев назад

This is why I love your essays bro. The second you said, "trauma porn" I was literally yelled " yessssssss". I feel Peter's arrested development has been going on so long people think it's a personality trait for the character. Everyone complained that Tom Spidey wasn't really spider man but for the wrong reasons. The trauma is not was makes him good. Its not what makes him interesting. It was a by product of business decisions. You nailed it bro. 10/10.

@marktheshark7588 11 месяцев назад

Tom Spidey is just overrated and terrible.

@alextorres8635 11 месяцев назад

@@marktheshark7588 i don't think so at all. Tom Spidey elevated the MCU when they managed to share the rights with Sony. The problem is that you can't do classic spidey in the MCU. Not without rebooting the whole thing. Spider Man is a cornerstone character in comics and in the MCU he was literally a nobody and encountered like ONE of his classic rogues gallery. They couldn't make him a cornerstone. They didn't have full control of Spider-Man to do so and still don't.

@RainbowMan9407 11 месяцев назад

I don't think Tom Spidey is terrible, I just don't think he's a traditional Spider-Man. He feels more like an alternate dimension version of the character rather than the real character. That isn't a bad thing, but it is a different take. That being said, if we were given the option to see, say, Insomniac's version of the character in the MCU, I would take that in an instant.

@TyRendition 11 месяцев назад

@@RainbowMan9407agreed, insomniac spiderman is what I envision current Peter Parker would be at other than spider verse of course.

@thegreatacolyt1277 11 месяцев назад

There are great ones who didn't lose anything

@vennom14 10 месяцев назад

Love this, but I'd interject that part of Peter's character IS trauma. He is resilience personified. It's why Logan likes him, he's seen how much trauma Pete takes.

@XanderVJ 11 месяцев назад

There is a big, ugly elephant in the room when it comes to Spider-Man arrested development. It's not a corporate decision. Not really. As you said, fans have never liked seeing Peter not maturing. There hasn't been a single point in time that would even remotely signal to Marvel that their readers, both old and new, didn't like an adult Spider-Man. The thing is, in reality at this point, Peter Parker is NOT an escapist youth fantasy for the readers. He is an escapist BACHELOR fantasy FOR THE WRITERS. Seriously, Marvel editorial and writers are literally the only people on Earth that have ever talked about the desire of an eternally young Spider-Man, using the "he has to be relatable" BS as an excuse. And the most telling thing about this all is that, if there is one thing that the writers have exploited the most out of Peter's "youth", is him being single so they can pair him up with their preferred waifu of the week. I'm not exaggerating. Peter has had like double the amount love interests in the 15 years since "One More Day" than in the 45 years since the creation of the character and the publication of that piece of garbage. Something that makes this whole issue all the more painful is that Peter's relationship with Mary Jane in the comics is one of the best written in the history of the medium. MJ didn't become one of the most iconic super hero love interests because she's a redhead bombshell (although it definitely helped), but because his chemistry with Peter was off the charts. Pretty much since the beginning, but especially since Gerry Conway solidified their dynamics during his run in the 1970s, and later solidified by writers like Tom De Falco, John DeMatteis (when he didn't have Marvel marketing breathing down his neck) or JMS down the line. So much so that it's pretty much impossible to split them up in a way that feels natural, or even realistic. Not without breaking one or both characters. Marvel tried this "natural" route a couple of times in the 90s and 2000s, but in order to even just put in on the page, they had to write her, or both of them, so blatantly out of character that fans didn't buy it for one second. That's why they had to resort to crazy shenanigans like making Peter a clone, trying to kill off Mary Jane, Mephisto's forever infamous cosmic retcon, or most recently, hooking up Mary Jane with a random guy in a pocket dimension and adopting some kids. And the most tragic thing is... that this may start to work... The writers have filled Peter and MJ's relationship with so much artificial pain and misery that I see more and more fans saying that they have stopped rooting for the couple. Not because they have come to hate neither character, nor the relationship itself. They just want the writers to stop. And yes, it's as toxic and messed up as it sounds.

@shreypaliwal9170 11 месяцев назад

That's exactly the problem. Whenever sensible fans complain the editorials and writers be like "how dare you tell us we need to grow up, you know what I will make Peter Parker more miserable and looser on the next one"

@rickrivers2021 11 месяцев назад

This is spot on

@fortcastellan1730 11 месяцев назад

Seconded. The fandom still pines for the spider-marriage, so that clearly wasn't something that was driving fans away. And hasn't Joe Quesada said in interviews that part of the reason he broke up the marriage was that his marriage had failed, so he didn't see how Peter's could work? (Or something to that effect?)

@cristiuup2101 11 месяцев назад

Peter Parker is broken and we as the fans are too, I literally cannot imagine a Peter who can't suffer, who doesn't experience trauma, it is effectively ingrained in my mind that Peter must be miserable and still rise to the occasion for him to be Spider-Man.

@RainbowMan9407 11 месяцев назад

Makes you wonder if that's what Across the Spider Verse was trying to point out, almost as if the people making that movie wanted to send a message to Marvel that the trauma doesn't have to define Spider-Man.

@Linklex7 11 месяцев назад

Yeah Marvel has this offensive obsession with “average/relatable Everyman = complete and utter loser who can never be happy.”

@FatKratos69 11 месяцев назад

I think Peter should still suffer, it's ingrained in his character. But there should be a balance. No constant suffering and being a punching bag 24/7

@DontFollowZim 11 месяцев назад

I've never felt like the "endless trauma" kept him young. In fact, I've always felt the opposite and that kind of conflict tends to just lead to more emotional stories, which I like. I totally agree that we need to move onto some more adult Spider-man and stop hanging on to the kid, but I don't feel the traumatic events are really doing anything to hold him back.

@callumkingston2126 11 месяцев назад

I think you have to realise with how it’s going in the MCU what age he would still be. They started him young. The fans asked to have someone young play this character. He had to be dusted to for Tony’s story line, there for in this story line he’s not old yet 🤷‍♀️ I hope we get an adult version of the character being a main leader of the team

@azeraph20 11 месяцев назад

I do think that some of the best Peter Parker stories are the ones when he became a high school teacher and living that domestic life with MJ... and (this might be a hot take) to a certain extent, his short run inheriting Parker Industries from when Doc Ock became Superior Spidey. The stories that involves adulting shit.

@Jeicemeiser 11 месяцев назад

Haha I just mentioned these two iterations in another comment. I (and others) were less of a fan of the Parker Industries era, but mainly because there are enough super-richies in Marvel and DC with infinite money and turning Peter into yet another one really distances himself even more from that everyman, real human experience.

@Linklex7 11 месяцев назад

Same here. Those exact same takes I have too.

@rickrivers2021 11 месяцев назад

Wow, yeah this basically sums it up. A couple areas of disagreement: 1) The death of Gwen Stacy was pretty explicitly to change things up, not keep things the same. It didn't stop Peter from growing, it actually caused it. 2) Peter in NWH does finally grow. Getting his GED means he'll be done with high school in the next film. The death of May made him a mich more serious character. We can finally move forward with him again, it seems we're done with the comedy/slice of life take on the character 3) Experiencing trauma is not always problematic for Peter, it's about what the intent and result are. The question is why is the thing happening and how will Peter respond? Of the answer is growth, then it's okay to do. Of the answer is 'to make him younger and more relatable', then it's a cataclysmic decision that will actually make things worse.

@rickrivers2021 11 месяцев назад

Also, Ultimate didn't really have Peter age. In a decade he only aged a year and a half. That's the slowest he ever has. And then they killed him. He's the Spider-Man that never got to experience life milestones.

@caleblindsey5794 11 месяцев назад

You say that his suffering is a tool for people to keep him young, but really his suffering is one of the core themes of Spider-Man, to have crime fighting cost him so much but he will still do it because it’s the right thing to do

@TheLyricalWrdsmth 11 месяцев назад

While I agree with your overarching premise for this essay, I too really want Peter to grow older. I think you overstate the issues with the MCU portrayal. Peter spends a lot of time in the earliest runs idolizing and seeking mentorship from other Avengers. Capt. America, Reed, Iron man, etc. Some of his character development in the comics centers around him realizing he has the similar or greater capacity than many of them. To your credit, it's vexing how often he never gets to live up to that. My hope is that they make good on how his MCU trilogy feels like one origin story for this iteration of the character, and they carry him forward long enough to become the man and leader of the Avengers everyone knows Spider-man can be, and that he's so rarely gotten to experience in the comics.

@nope5657 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, lotta good points here I agree with. As much as I love the character his particular status quo is the most limiting of any other mainstream superhero. Every major superhero at Marvel and DC has a status quo, but they are more naturally flexible than Spider-Man. You can plug Batman into pretty much any story with any tone. Superman can die, become a father, get lost in in space for a long time, etc. but not only does Marvel not let Peter grow, the fans don't either. Take Peter out of the broke/struggling/messy love life/constantly lying to everyone dynamic and the fans flip out. There is only so much of Peter's particular brand of arrested development I can take before it becomes annoying, stale, and honestly...makes Peter actively unlikeable.

@DatAsianGuy 11 месяцев назад

what you on about? Spider-Man fans for years now have been begging for Peter to finally move on, be a father (again) basically everywhere I go I see people talking about how sick they are of Peter being stuck in the same point of his life. Every Spider-Man video, I see, has comments filled with jokes how the writers absolutely hate Spider-Man, because he never gets a break or a happy ending.

@gameb9oy 11 месяцев назад

I think it’s good for him to struggle, but what am I supposed to feel about Peter if he gets no wins?

@mikemorro140 11 месяцев назад

@@DatAsianGuy thank you, I feel like fans keep getting the blame for where Spider-Man is at when really it's been writers and editors who constantly say that Spider-Man needs to stay in the status quo and do everything possible to keep it that way, because they don't like changes.

@nope5657 11 месяцев назад

@@DatAsianGuy If you say so. In my experience this really isn't the case. Any time a writer even takes a baby step out of the standard spidey mold fans go insane.

@srstriker6420 11 месяцев назад

@@nope5657 yeah because I think Peter Parker has Peter Pan syndrome and this is I think that Peter Parker is outdated

@RelativelyBest 11 месяцев назад

Marvel Editorial: "We need to keep Spider-Man young forever. People don't care about character development." Narrator: "Turns out, people do care about character development."

@Crimson7458 11 месяцев назад

Another issue could be as a result of Peter growing older and maturing is that all the other characters will have to do the same as well. So by the time Peter’s kid (if he has one) is a teenager, characters like Ironman would most likely be in their late forties early fifties.

@thegodpill914 11 месяцев назад

This reasoning falls apart when many characters that were introduced long after spider-man (1962) in the 70's and 80's have aged more. A 2014 asm comic claims peter at that point was 28 when he should've been early or mid thirties by then. Marvel's obsession with "youth" is a lie when they utilize multi month time skips far more frequently and casually the past fifteen. years. They just want Peter free to be paired with whatever pet character will secure whoever is writing at a given time royalty checks.

@rickrivers2021 11 месяцев назад

No bc the rest of the universe is aging slowly. The only character Marvel drags their feet with is Peter. Arguably about 15-16 years have passed since 1961 in the Marvel Universe. If Peter had a kid right now, they wouldn't be in teenager for like another 50 years

@toycamera6112 11 месяцев назад

I think there's a lot that can be done with the character; particularly if you take inspiration from Buffy. We got seven seasons of seeing her innocence crushed as she functionally become a philosopher king of sorts. Just take Peter through high school then college then beyond. I think the biggest problem for Peter right now is more that his brand is being diluted by all the spiderverse fare. People love Spider-Man because of Peter, not because he's a big spider.

@JordyMOOcow 11 месяцев назад

Characters perpetually stuck in a young adult age is one of the biggest issues with the anime/Manga industry. Getting into my 30s it becomes more and more apparent how /stuck/ some characters are. It's why I always appreciate a time jump and a character that grows up with the viewers.

@emilybrinkerhoff6825 11 месяцев назад

This is honestly so brilliant. I didn't grow up with Spiderman, but I instantly loved Into the Spiderverse for the amazing themes of growth. Listening to what you have to say puts Across the Spiderverse in a new light to me. Its no wonder that Miles is so frustrated at everyone treating him like he's still the kid everyone knew in the first movie.

@newguyiswinning 11 месяцев назад

Pre/early mcu had the best superhero adapations. From spiderman 1-3, to incredible hulk, to iron man. God those were the good days. The superheroes were actual real people on top of being heroes. MCU is more DC now, which is why normal people could care less

@thomasjohnson1885 11 месяцев назад

What the fuck are you saying? Marvel is more DC now?

@0g0dn0 11 месяцев назад

The next MCU Spider-Man film, if/when it happens, should take advantage of the idea that Peter has grown. He’s lost a lot after Strange’s spell and is working to put his life back together, so what if he does? What if, at the beginning of MCU Spider-Man 4, he’s seen a quantum leap in character progression? Years of solo superheroing, an arsenal of homemade gadgets, maybe heading up a tech company, and really sour on the idea of working with the Avengers again after his last misadventure.

@SpammytheHedgehog 11 месяцев назад

Tom's Peter Parker went from Iron Boy Jr. to Spider-Man.

@spider-man500 11 месяцев назад

Problem is he never should of been Iron Boy JR at all. He should of been Spider-Man from the beginning.

@newguyiswinning 11 месяцев назад

Nah, he will probably be falcon boy jr next

@NadeemShekh-uy9zn 11 месяцев назад

@@spider-man500problem is there were five other Spider-Man movies so the mcu had to take risks and make different types of spider-man movies in the mcu because fans at the time were complaining that the amazing Spider-Man movies were telling too similar stories like the death of uncle Ben etc so marvel had to do different spider-man stories so as to not become stale

@SlingMeAWeb 11 месяцев назад

@@spider-man500EXACTY.

@thomasjohnson1885 11 месяцев назад

@@spider-man500Nothing about him was Iron Boy and this take is a stupid ass defense to think no way home’s shitty soft reboot ending was good

@liamhemstock2286 11 месяцев назад

To me, now. Peter Parker should be grown up. A mature Spider-Man with his origins established with him being bit by the spider and his uncle being bit by the bullet. Yes it’s an incredibly rich origin and one that could be even more heartbreaking with the right build but right now, I’m ok with them doing more so what Insomniac has been doing Spider-Man is older, struggling with the adult jobs but still has dreams for himself like falling in love, getting a house and settling down. He is for the adults who relate to the juggling act of life. Miles, is the younger Spider-Man. He is what Peter was in the 60’s. A young, charismatic guy who is bitten by the spider and learns to become something greater. We are with Miles and Peter. Spider-Man is showing the perspectives on life and how it can be hard. Showing that from both teenage and adult and how they mix together can be fun.

@Shadowex2000 11 месяцев назад

Man, 25 years later even Ash retired at a ripe 10 years old. It’s about time PP got a break too.

@TheKeller101 11 месяцев назад

I have never thought about Spider Man this way and this entire video has kind of blown my mind. Honestly makes me want them to grow up Spider man. The current events of the MCU feel way to large for high-school/college Spider man and if we want to see him be more involved, we either need smaller stories or for him to be allowed to grow up.

@ChrisPTenders 11 месяцев назад

I loved this video, thank you. Peter needs to grow. Even if they start a new run with him starting as a kid again, it would be great if existing runs could continue for the people who grew up with it. I love PS1 Spider-Man for that exact reason, even more as an adult than I did as a kid. I'd love to say you could throw in the PS4 Spider-Man game with that as well, what with depicting a seasoned Spider-Man bordering on 30 years old, but then there's the whole PS5 baby face replacement fiasco. I feel like Miles could be the key to finally seeing Peter get the chance to grow up.

@abmstudio3678 10 месяцев назад

The thing is, it is a pretty famous dialogue that "anyone can be Spider-Man", what they could have done was to let peter age out of being Spiderman. Becoming a father taking too much time away from his crime fighting, meanwhile he could have trained a younger Spiderman with his own storylines and everything. Who would then also age out and maybe be there to train miles morales or whoever was next. Create this whole lineage of spidermen that kept the city safe.

@DanteGlass 11 месяцев назад

I feel like the evolution of trauma being so big in Spider-Man media these days might also be a reflection of the times, and how newer generations maybe relate to Peter Parker. Just a thought.

@HistorySkate 11 месяцев назад

If there’s another trilogy where they focus on the man part rather than the boy part, then I could forgive the childlike nature of his character up until now. It would really give you a sense of growth since you watched him grow up the whole time.

@rickblaine9670 11 месяцев назад

I must say that, given how they handled Iron Man, I have faith in the fact they might do the same for Spidey. Despite it being unavoidable anyway because of contractual reasons with RDJ, Marvel DID prove to be willing to put a good story before wanting to capitalize on Tony’s popularity forever. I mean, Holland’s Peter still feels pretty childish, yes, but his movies up until now - unlike Tobey’s - resembled comic book issues more than comic book runs. For example, if Spider-Man (2002) loosely adapts Peter’s entire high school/early college period, the Home movies merely adapt single episodes or mini arcs WITHIN his high school period. So yeah, the growth process has been slowed down, exactly like Tony Stark’s journey towards his final sacrifice has been slowed down in the Infinity Saga. But we DID get there eventually. So who knows, we might actually get to a Peter Parker who settles down with a family and ends his journey.

@cinematographystudio 11 месяцев назад

It’s so easy to fix the problem too. Have adult Peter and kid miles. Peter can have the adult problems, miles can have high school problems.

@haldir108 11 месяцев назад

TASM peter is (sometimes) starstruck as well. I particularly recall him getting a pep talk from Captain America about whether or not he should enlist to fight in Vietnam.

@lewisguapo 11 месяцев назад

"It's just a word Miles, your people say it all the time" - Spiderman Lotus

@JJJuanan 11 месяцев назад

"Being married = growing up" is a really stupid way of thinking about a character, or people in general. Single people can grow up.

@slicknick29 11 месяцев назад

They also made him blip away for 5 years so that he wouldn't age further.

@Ye_B0i 10 месяцев назад

That still pisses me off to this day they didn’t have him survive By current MCU timeline Peter would be 24 but Marvel wouldn’t like Peter being that old in their universe do they blipped him.

@jcasali3391 11 месяцев назад

my Favortie Incarnations of Spider-Man that show Peter Parker grow and Mature into the Man Uncle Ben taught him to be are The 90s animated Series 1994, The Sam Raimi Trilogy with Tobey Maguire 2002-2007, and the PS4 Insomniac game Universe and Peter B Parker in Spider Verse both in 2018 these few show Peter Parker as a Adult in College or as a teacher or Marry MJ and are past the days of high school and being a Teenager and idk why Marvel has to have Peter stay as a Kid forever

@robertrowley4929 5 месяцев назад

I love how you used Disney’s Peter Pan as a reference. Plus, Peter Parker’s parallel to Wendy was subtle yet brilliant.

@beauty1nchaos 11 месяцев назад

andrew garfield should have been the final reboot. he played spider-man so well bro it was almost perfect. the quips, the sarcastic commentary, the awkwardness, nerdiness, standing up for himself at times, the snarky attitude..etc like they had it perfect right there but they had to interfere with webbs plans 🤦🏽‍♂️

@James58Rams 11 месяцев назад

I understand having an overall problem with Spider-Man never growing up but he entered the MCU as a 15 year old. It makes a lot of sense in the MCU. It would not make sense to intro a 25 year old seasoned Spider-Man into the MCU like 12 movies in. Where the fuck was he and why was he never mentioned. It makes sense that at 15 he is impressionable. If his growth stagnates sure, trip. But so far the MCU adaptation has been a great.

@MrScottyTay 10 месяцев назад

surprised you didn't bring up the very cool short comic series "Life Story" that goes through peters life and stories as if he aged in real time. It's awesome and really makes me wish we would get another alternative universe in the comics like Ultimate. Only problem with life story is that it jumps in time a bit too much, you get a nice micro look into specific parts of his life, to then jump 7-12 years into the future in the next issue. I would love this proposed alternative universe to do something like every few months is a year in universe or something. That would be awesome.

@Kaimerah 11 месяцев назад

Yk what annoys me about Peter staying a child. We have miles now, he should be the main teen spidey for the time being and let Peter grow

@mcgrubby_ 11 месяцев назад

One of the strengths of Spiderman in the comics, as well as Tobey and Andrew's incarnations, is that when he's Spiderman in the streets people have no clue that he's a teenager. He was SpiderMAN. I love Tom Holland's Spidey but they did not nail this. Everyone and their mom HAD to know that was a kid.

@doorsfan173 11 месяцев назад

Many of us, especially in regards to the recent ASM comic book run have been voicing similar concerns to this film essay. If you're sympathetic to this criticism, which I am, it sounds like Jonathan Hickman's new Ultimate Spider-Man series is a bit of a remedy to this (hopefully) in the comics. He's said it was inspired by Peter B. Parker, in part. Just saying, as someone that dropped ASM for the first time in my life with the recent run, I'm putting my money where my mouth is and supporting a comic about an adult Peter looking to get his life together.

@DanialDEcool 7 месяцев назад

Dude the one more day thing isn’t even funny. It wasn’t even “no more marriage EVER!” It was just: “Im going to remove your marriage to screw with you, and you can indeed restart later”

@trevturp6891 11 месяцев назад

That trauma that Spiderman went through in Infinity War and Endgame wasn't enough.

@trevturp6891 11 месяцев назад

That suffering that Spiderman went through in Infinity War and Endgame wasn't enough.

@RaxorX 11 месяцев назад

With Spiderman and Batman, I want both of them to get their at least happy sort of lives going rather than batman having to stay a bitter man and peter to grow into an adult.

@bernaspah 6 месяцев назад

Don't forget that the suffering part was shown in the comics, seeing that if Peter didn't suffer he wouldn't be the spider-man we know. As he would have no compassion, etc..

@ajwebhead21 11 месяцев назад

Thats why i love the insomniac games because its giving us that and the same thing with spiderverse miles and the game version of him to where im getting older and i relate to peter and miles more in that version than i do to a high school version. Like peter having a child will give him a new growth to us who are basically to that point i mean look at the mcu ironman where he has a child now even ant-man who also has a child and what i love about the antman that i relate to is feeling like im missing time with my little siblings just like scott felt with his daughter. I love spider-man always have and i always will but i feel that while the comics are trying to step backwards we as the fans just like the insomniac people who are fans like us need to show them that we need to move foward with these characters. That we need to let them grow, let them fall in the adult life and inspire us, guide us on how to get back up. That why we love spider-man. And that what makes him that hero we love and you can tell that type of story even with an adult spider-man who is deep in his career. Marvel need to step up and grow up like the rest of us. Like a game version of peter parker from the 2002 spider-man movie game said "no matter how much you wanna hold on to a moment, you can't stop time from moving on."

@blank_2067 10 месяцев назад

Everyone saying insomanic spiderman is a lot better and what they all wanted. An adult spiderman. But are we forgetting the fact that he too went through a trauma AGAIN? Aunt may in spiderman 2018 died. I think the trauma part is so much so integerated with Spiderman that we now cant seperate it now. There's a reason why spiderman is loved. Despite all the trauma and loss he still choses to save others. Thats what makes him spiderman. Being happy and helping other is no superhero stuff. Thats like what 70% of people does anyways.

@rrando726 11 месяцев назад

15:00 This part of your essay is a little bit off point. MCU SpiderMan introduced in Civil War is not infantilized as a child - or rebooted or retconned. He IS a 15 year old boy. [it's like you want him to be the 17 year old from Stan Lee's story or an older Peter which CAN'T make sense in the MCU as it would beg the question of where he has been during all the pre Civil War events]. I'm saying that 15 year old high school kid Parker was perfect to fulfill his function in the MCU because the MCU was already a boomer story with a bunch of older heroes. Unlike Stan Lee's original who existed in a New York with NO AVENGERS. Iron Man was created AFTER Spiderman after all. Problem is NOT that he started out as a 15 year old. Problem isn't even that he didn't mature in Infinity War and Endgame. His line: _You can't be a friendly neighborhood Spiderman if there's no Neighborhood_ from inFinity War is one of his best moments EVER. No....the problem is that his trilogy regressed no 17 year old Parker back to a 15 year old again. When Tony dies - he runs to Dr. Strange to ask for fairy magic to solve adult problems in No Way Home - and it's all downhill from there.

@jlinus7251 10 месяцев назад

I dont mind a lot of trauma but only if its used thematically for the story. Which I don't think most Spider-man stories do. I would say Daredevil does the relentless trauma better, only because it ties back into DD's themes. Spider-man has the theme of responsibility, but you could easily do that without killing everyone he loves.

@MessiahRamsay 10 месяцев назад

The film fanbase has been complaining about the fact that the character felt too old since the first Raimi film. The fact that Disney and Sony were able to return to a more youthful version of Peter Parker by telling new and unique stories was not only a fresh adaptation of the original comic book character but also a great way to introduce him to a younger audience. Far from being a stagnant character stuck in arrested development, holland’s Spider-Man was allowed to grow and learn from mentors in the established universe. They waited until the third installment of the trilogy to deliver the great power/ responsibility line and didn’t churn through his rogue’s gallery. On top of all of that, they capped off the MCU trilogy with their own meta commentary on the previous Sony movies and finalized the arcs of maguire and Garfield’s Spider-Man while finding a way to return, in universe, to the status quo of the original comics. Idk how you can argue that his character hasn’t grown through the MCU movies. He’s a completely different character when he swings through NYC at the end of No Way Home than when he runs through the suburbs in Homecoming. I kind of see what you’re saying but I also think you’re just wrong. He’s like 16 in Civil War, he’s a grown ass man when he almost kills green goblin at the end of NWH. Come on dudeee. Did u even watch the movies?

@norrona5923 2 месяца назад

I remember coming out of the theatre after finishing Spiderverse and thinking "I love Peter. I grew up with Peter, and he'll always be Spider-man. But I'm fine, now. I'm ready for a new Spider-man, and it's OK if that's Miles." As an adult, now, I want to see Peter married to MJ, teaching May all he knows about being a Spider-person, and make adult choices that become more and more confident with age and experience. And I'm OK with Miles making a new Spider-man story, as long as it's his own. He's on his own way, he just needs to keep going.

@cortezhuntley3817 11 месяцев назад

Great video unfortunately marvel will probably never listen to this the series makes too much money plus I’m pretty sure the writers and editorials are being pressured by some big executive behind the curtains to keeps spidey as a depressed manchild only way for them to listen is to stop buy the series at all which I know won’t happen considering all the goofs that buy those latest issues to hate write about them.

@Bindersquinch 11 месяцев назад

Babe wake up. A new spiderman video dropped.

@shreypaliwal9170 11 месяцев назад

Please do read Spider-Man Life Story comics. They are really good

@renchesandsords 10 месяцев назад

I kinds see the end of no way home as peter growing up, since it's about him taking up responsibility and sacrificing for others rather than calling out to the "adults" in his life to help him with his problems

@GustavoFromPizzaTower. 9 месяцев назад

I wished he mentioned Insomniac's Spider-man (That already has more than 8 years of experience)

@shreeeeeeeeeeeeee 2 месяца назад

If I wrote a Peter Parker Spider-Man story, I’d write a soon to graduate boy looking to get a funded PhD rather than a job. He’d be broke, but he’d still want to learn rather than work, he’s already got the very draining and non paying job of Spider-Man. The story would end with him truly coming to terms with his fading adolescence, that he’s ready to let himself… age. Totally unrelated to the fact that I’m a writer that loves coming of age tales and is not ready to accept that I am an adult myself, of course.

@Keizi 11 месяцев назад

MCU Spider-Man isn’t a side kick to iron man at all in my opinion. In fact besides civil war, he does things on his own terms. Homecoming is literally a film that has him going against everything Tony says to him or tells him to do. Peter is trying to prove Tony wrong constantly (which is why I never understood the “iron boy jr name). Tony is still a mentor figure to him and that’s ok in my opinion because it makes sense for a Spider-Man in a universe with a plethora of public heroes for him to learn from. He’s still mostly independent, broke, smart, struggling the balance between his life and being SPIDEY, he still has the qualities that made the character beloved in the first place. They just added to that. Still loved the video, although I may not agree with things you say, your videos are still so well put together and thoughtful.

@fandangosan 11 месяцев назад

Spiderman 2 for the ps5 seems to be leaning into an older Peter.

@andresrodriguez8289 11 месяцев назад

THE IRONY THAT SPIDER-MAN 2 IS BROKEN TOO LMAO

@FilmSpeak 11 месяцев назад

Eh so far through my play through I'm loving it

@famitsus987 11 месяцев назад

@@FilmSpeakreal spider man will always be a white straight male cope and seeth

@MercuryKeek 11 месяцев назад

15:16 "aww gee shucks" is the exact thing I have been telling my friends who call me a hater for not liking tom holland saga of movies! It's not so much that his performance is bad its that studio seems to never allow Spider-MAN to be that man who has that affair with black cat and has that incredible drama portrayed and rather just settles for "golly that mj/gwen girl sure is pretty but she's out of my league" that only took a few comics to resolve takes 3 movies and a reboot cycle. Glad Sony animation finally is taking it in the right direction and saying "here's the canon events, we know you know them, let's move on"

@thomasjohnson1885 11 месяцев назад

A few comics? Clearly you haven’t read the Romita years where Peter and Gwen and MJ are in this weird Betty and Veronica tug of war for awhile. You don’t like Holland Spider-Man for being something it never set out to do

@IamDamian412 11 месяцев назад

Great video. My favorite spiderman is Tom. And I always hear people talk bad about him. All their complaints were very VERY idiotic. I mean the iron boy jr argument is stupid entirely. He breaks free of “being a side kick” to iron man within the first movie. Anyway, the arguments just made them all sound like they don’t know what they’re talking about. But I think I finally understand the problem after watching this video. BUT I do want to add that Tom has clearly grown up. Too say he hasn’t is insane. He literally grows up in the first movie with the line about him not having the suit. Then ditching the homecoming party, and stopping vulture in his pajamas. Then in the second film he grows even more. He learns to accept his responsibility as a hero. From wanting to take a break to ruining his vacation to of course stop the bad guy. Then in his third movie he grows even more by actually being responsible. Sure he’s been responsible in the other movies. But never like this. I like to say the first movie was about learning the responsibility, the second one was about accepting your responsibility, and the third one was about actually doing the responsible thing.

@Ohm_Kazhbu 11 месяцев назад

this is why we have a multiverse, you wanna de-age peter? start a new seperate run of comics, that way old time fans can continue to grow old with their hero while every generation of comic fans gets their very own spider-man

@SuprMikey64 11 месяцев назад

thank you for recognizing the sheer perfection of ps1 spider-man. that is the REAL spider-man and i need him back! venom in that game is excellent as well, his relationship with spidey is so fun.

@nightfuryobsessed5488 7 месяцев назад

I think this essay helped conceptualize why I haven't been a fan of Tom Holland's Spiderman. To me Spiderman was someone to look up to, an 'adult' who's still scared but does his damnedest to be a hero, to save those he loves. MCU Spiderman is just a kid. He just happened to get bit but he doesn't do anything real with his powers. He just has them and they're mostly just a joke to get laughs and just scrape by. Even the ending of No Way Home it didn't feel like Spiderman. Yes he lost his 'Uncle Ben' and no one knows who Peter Parker is, but it doesn't feel human. There's not much of a connection with these characters so their loss isn't as memorable. Of course that's from someone who only watched one of the MCU Spiderman movies so I could just be missing that connection. I do respect the MCU Spiderman, he's still a hero trying his best to help his hometown. But that's about it. The original Spiderman movies (Mr. Maguire and Mr. Garfield) has that, but they're also so painfully human. That's what I love about this hero. He's got powers but he's human. I want that connection with Spiderman and I'm so glad I'm living in a world that gives me that connection and will continue to change/evolve with that person. I apologize for the rant, I just love how much thinking this video did and I wanted to share my own thoughts. Thanks to anyone who read, hope it was together enough to make sense, I forget where my 'threads' go lol

@cannonbyrd1755 11 месяцев назад

I genuinely thought that this was going to be a deep dive on his character, but turns out it’s another “McU SpIDer BaD” video smh

@j3tridge 11 месяцев назад

Of course that is currently the best because the writers actually love spiderman.

@yeetimusprime3147 11 месяцев назад

The weird thing about this is that Marvel has the solutions to this problem but cant seem to notice them. In the early 2000s the problem was basically solved with Ultimate Spider-Man, if Marvel just let 616 Spider-Man grow and develop naturally then Ultimate wouldve been the perfect option for people who wanted a younger version of the character. Hell theyre bringing Ultimate Spider-Man back too. The second option they have is Miles Morales. It cant be denied at this point that Miles IS Spider-Man, but Marvel is so afraid of the "Peter is MY Spider-Man!" crowd that they dont want to commit to him. So hes always off to the side, having his own small stories, never at risk of daring to challenge Peter's prominence. But the easy solution is to just let Miles take stage as the young Spider-Man. Let Peter grow up and then you can have two ongoing stories that appeal to both sides of the spider-man fandom

@Linklex7 11 месяцев назад

It’s staring the. Right in the face and they can’t see it

@HanmaHeiro 11 месяцев назад

Dang, thanks for reminding me about the PS1 Game. All I remember from it was him falling off a building into the mist and dying. The purple goo monsters brought so much back

@DiestroCorleone 9 месяцев назад

I've seen a disconnection between most of the content creators I follow and the commenters regarding No Way Home. I felt the same way. I felt I was being cheated into nostalgia for nostalgia's sake, sprinting to the finish line in order to hone in some cameos. Don't get me wrong, there were some great character moments in that movie, but it's like eating a cookie only for a few chocolate chips. I love how your essays are able to look at the big picture and point out some things that, if you don't go into detail about why you think what you think, may turn you into an instant hater just for speaking your mind.

@unnamedx2 11 месяцев назад

I don't think no way home was about holding him back, specially bc the headliners of the franchise left after 3 solo outings, they don't have much time left with tom holland, so at the very least not a regression although it keeps on the tradition of his trauma as you poimted out

@moorebounce 11 месяцев назад

I left Spiderman as reader in the mid 80s because I found X-men to tackle more subject matter closer to my life. The whole Professor X (MLK Jr.) and Magneto (Malcolm X) dynamic and Mutant being a metaphor for being black appealed to me a lot more. The Graphic Novel "God Loves, Man Kills" is still my favorite story that made me leave Spiderman. They used that book as source material for X-2 but they managed to FUBAR it.

@M567dk 11 месяцев назад

You didn’t mention the other fact of why OMD is despised by the Spider-Man fans and it is due to the fact that Spider-Man MADE A DEAL WITH A PHYSICAL PERSONIFICATION OF THE DEVIL!!! The fact that the higher ups at marvel sleep at night knowing that they did this is disgusting by itself. It makes the clone saga look like a family reunion.

@RainbowMan9407 11 месяцев назад

The main problem I have with that storyline is why Peter does it. I hate to say it, but Aunt May has been an old woman since the beginning of the comics. If there's any one character that should be killed off, it's her. And yet, none of her deaths have ever stuck. Every other Spider-Man side character has had a longer lasting death than her. The executives almost killed off MJ in the early 00's, and the only reason they didn't is because the readers didn't buy it. Marvel is so against the idea of letting Aunt May die that they refused to let the PS4 Spider-Man game kill her off until a couple of months before release. So when Aunt May gets shot, and Peter is so desperate to save her that he makes a deal with the devil, I just wind up frustrated because, realistically, she would have died in a couple of years anyway. Peter isn't taking responsibility for his actions, and is just asking for a cosmic do-over. That one storyline flat out contradicts the main principle of Spider-Man.

@houstonmunoz9862 24 дня назад

The new Spiderman comic run is awesome cause it actually stars out with peter as an adult with a family and kids

@pandaluna0 3 месяца назад

i get the point.. i will say this - a lot of people complain about Peter's age, but it's one of the reasons i love him - he's always young. I don't like too mature superheroes. they don't pick my interest quite the same. so... kind of grateful for Marvel here...

@Crazy_CalebS2009 10 месяцев назад

The thing that fucks up the whole concept of Peter Parker growing up is, yes, the torture Peter goes through. But the fact that Marvel keeps resurrecting dead characters or just pretending they don't exist. I just fell in love with the Spider-Man: Family Business comic from 2013. Because Peter FINALLY had someone to relate to mentally and genetically, his sister Teresa. But Marvel said "Fuck it" and rebooted Peter. I like DC more because of the fact that they very rarely reboot their comic characters.

@Prodighee 11 месяцев назад

Clone saga was probably the best way Marvel could have gave Peter a send off but man did they f that up. Miles is just another attempt at that, literally the only difference between him and Peter other than skin tone and powers is that he has parents.

@Otsutsuki-san 11 месяцев назад

Spider-Man, the modern day Peter Pan

@silentflamemc 11 месяцев назад

I feel like there's a gray area in how people think the proper way to handle Peter is. I'm not saying my ideas are best, but my two cents are two cents nonetheless. I believe Peter _should_ be broken. Thing is, Peter should be broken for the right reasons. The writers just abuse him, and lots of readers just want him to grow old and swing into the happily ever after sunset. But I think there needs to be a middle-ground. Spider-Man is the relatable superhero. Him suddenly growing old and achieving lifelong happiness isn't relatable. There are struggles and trauma that come out of every decade of our lives. Marriage fights, spending time with children, dealing with work, and money will always be an issue. Spider-Man should go through that maturity trauma because it makes him relatable. Not so much that it becomes unnecessarily torturous and not so little that he becomes a fanfiction of happiness in his own story. Stories are made to see the protagonist overcome struggles. Otherwise you don't have a story to begin with. I guess what I'm trying to say is, make it make sense. Let him grow old, but still let him struggle in a relatable way.

@DanielKariuki-er5gi 11 дней назад

3:06-3:21 You actually have a point it would've been better to see Peter's adult life and maybe even become a dad just like the Spider-Verse movies instead of just keeping him as a kid all the time.

@EggMixValid 11 месяцев назад

I get what ya sayin, but I look at it in a different way. I always recall the whole Madame Webb storyline when I look at the MCU. I forgot which Spiderman cartoon it was, but it was an old one. In this cartoon Madame Webb showed Peter multiple iterations of Spiderman and enlightened not only Peter, but us viewers that there is a Spider verse. Into the Spider-Verse did an amazing job portraying the different kind of Spiderman stories. Peter B. Parker is the adult Spiderman that you were ichin for, however there are clearly MULTIPLE iterations of Spiderman, and Peter Parkers that it's honestly maddening. I mean there is a Peter Parked CAR for cryin out loud. So I think Marvel just made a smoothe recovery of Spidey's story by adding onto the idea of the Spider-Verse, and thus stretchin out Spidey's longevity since he's honestly all they got left, so business wise it's a good move to try and restart the story. I do also think though that they should go back and finish up/continue the other 2 Spidermen's stories. I see Tobey's Spiderman as the perfect adult Peter Parker. I see Andrew's Spiderman as a perfect dark Batmanish Peter Parker. Finally I see Tom's Spiderman as the perfect Teenage Peter Parker. I love what the MCU did to Spiderman cuz it gave a different kinda story than the regular old NYC Spiderman that lost uncle Ben and do the same old run down. Instead we get to see him interact with numerous other heroes, and we get to have this almost Naruto and Jiraiya bond with Peter and Tony. It's fun to see and I think it adds a lot more to this version of Peter that makes the story WAY more engaging for me. It's not like they didn't let Peter grow up I mean we clearly see in No Way Home Tobey's Peter was much older. Andrew's Peter was also older. Also there is even talk about one of those 2 Peters getting another movie, so we might just get a continuation on 1 or 2 of the adult Peters. I loved seeing Tom's Spiderman interact with Doctor Strange. Peter is a comedian at heart and so he tries to lighten the mood and make little jokes here and there and have a funny and light persona that makes people less stiff around him it's why he acts the way he does towards Strange. We clearly saw that he went up against Strange in No Way Home, so I didn't really get that point you tried to make saying he was like a teacher of some sort when that's just him trying to smoothen things out with Strange since he's also askin for a favor in the beginning. On the point with him being "Robin" only not growing into his own like Nightwing. That again doesn't make much sense since Tony is kinda dead...Also nobody knows him anymore...So his solo arc begins now. What we saw was a long and very different origin story. In this iteration of Peter we now see that he went through a LOT of pain before coming into his own as a adult Spiderman. Instead of just Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy, and Aunt May Tom's Peter lost Uncle Ben, Tony, Aunt May, MJ, Ned, Dr. Strange, etc... 3 of the listed are dead, but the rest just don't remember any of the time they spent together with Peter which is arguably worse. Anyway this is my take on this so take it how ya will.

@lanalewis6982 11 месяцев назад

See, I like both versions teen and adult. As long as it's Peter and doesn't go off too far in characterization, I am fine with it. We can have both.

@CyclopsWasRight 10 месяцев назад

You blew my mind! Your analysis of the previous films, along with the reasons behind the constant reboots, are things I've never really put much thought into.. My God! A+

@Quentinthemudkip 10 месяцев назад

I hate how instead of playing as a fully grown op Spider-Man ,like this series would’ve been better off had it gone down that direction, we have to watch our boy Peter constantly get saved by the “better” diverse Spider-Man that has way less experience but somehow is made to seem better at every single opportunity. I hate this timeline