Peter's Infringement Allegations Cause Conflict Between Dragons | Dragons' Den 

LOL

😂😂😂 I literally LOL'd at that!

Salut to this bright mind

Brilliant 😂

Ok this one was actually good. Bravo 👏

Yeah the same goes for the creater of film rating system, when they tried to trademark the letter " X" because the playboybunnie magazine used "XX" or "XXX". The rating system loss the battle.

Wow...really ?!

Perfect - I honestly can't imagine a free economy where letters are allowed to be trademarked. "i" and "X" are free - they're building blocks, not an idea being stolen or impersonated.

@@Antediluvian137 but companies strill try.. BTW have you not seen the pattern in this show? "We're Investors.." "eh I have an idea. here's the sample, i've trialed it, people liked it" .. "HMM, ok, is it patent secure, is it selling, do you have a pipeline, have you tried china to make it cheaper, I'll give you 1% of the money for 68.3% of the company.. fu you have no business.. (insert trump meme here.. I've had.. I'm the best at etc. )

Of course, Peter was wrong here. He's a clown. Any fool knows that whoever registers the trademark first owns it in the regions in which they were granted the trademark. That's the entire purpose of the trademark process.

You should have at least stated Duncan said it dude 👍

@Nufflives Matta yes but he stated that Peter said it so considering the main line was Duncans its an injustice 🤣

@@craigpettifer8568 Considering it's under the video that everyone watched then I think they'll know who said what.

@@jamesyboy4626 thanks for that insight but wasn't really the point I was making dude 🙄

@@craigpettifer8568 we all know who said it, dude

This deal never happened as duncan pulled off from the deal made in the show and jareth withdrew the patent.. but i glive is still in buisness and still selling

No wonder everyone hate Apple so much, just because they have been using the bloody "i" doesn't mean they own the letter "i"! I think people around the world should put serious sanctions on Apple products and teach them a good lesson of real and truthful democracy!

I just saw the show, and i thought both was right Peter and Duncan. Everyone was scared from apple beside Duncan, so funny. I was thinking apple would do it but it would be so strange if they winn. I am glad they did not.

oh yeah, and Duncan got cold feet and cancelled his investment

ok apple lost, but why risk it. a hint of apple going after a potential investment its smarter to walk and keep your money. 9/10 times you'll lose.

Damn that's funny

hahhhh nice

rangers2721 Jenny is smot stup making fun ov herr

😂😂😂gold

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Good one

Hahah

Or i biza

Or the London i

i max cinema

That’s the Scottish way……

ikr! *This is a democracy!*

Exactly

@Andrew Rees .

Has Alex Salmond interviewed him yet on RT ?

Sums it up perfectly!

Yeah he’s my fave, especially when he cracks up. He loves a good laugh. Double Duncan all the way ✊✊

Me too . I love the guy. He is genuin, honest and fair in his critizisms....... Peter is far too arrogant. Duncan is just being himself.

Love the looks of the others when he makes an offer, kind of like him giving them the middle finger :3

I like Duncan too, Peter seems too rude

At least he puts his money where his mouth is instead of chickening out after arguing with Peter.

When he came out with that second invention all the other dragons were wondering how much more this guy could come up with. Clearly an inventor who needs help with the business side of things. Wondering how his brand is doing since Duncan took him on? Also absolutely loved how Duncans' offer made the dragons turn their head so fast that i'm worried they're suffering from whiplash lol

you will be sued by Apple for using the phrase "I haven't..."

Robotron Sage yes, Lot of credit goes to Duncan he is really good dragon.

How about when skiing and etc

He even came up with good uses for his glove with speakers

Ikr 😂😂

That's the moment they realize: "Oh maybe this is more valuable than I thought!"

Wait so how is iglove going?

@Hidayat Rehimi still selling well. The court case happened. Apple lost .

@@mikeh2006 thanks 🙏🏾

Empathy? He was just smarter and more courageous here and wouldn't let any of the other dragons sway him. Duncan's offer didn't seem "empathic"! lol

@@machtnichtsseimann Just in general he tends to be more empathetic, you see this in other episodes as well

@Ewan Yengi bruh we need a lot more context lol

Ewan Yengi please give context to this fellow wonderer

looking up wikipedia "The Glasgow Ice Cream Wars," I guess the assumption was he was doing something similar. but his ice cream van was not in Glasgow, so.....

Spot on mate 😉

Hes a good man lot of respect

Q

Paid off for him in the end.

He stayed quiet so he could invest in him himself without any rebuttals from the other dragons, smart move

😂😂😂

Can't have you paupers on the same side of the road making the place look untidy

Duncan pulled out of this deal after the show lol

Yes he pulled out but the company is still running 🤣 Net worth is over $2 million ♥️

@@richkagiso9310 Okay Big Rich. With a turnover of 125k and him stepping down from the company and withdrawing the patent. Their website is a joke and they have one product🤡. Yeah it's going beautifully for the boy💀🤡

@@pinball7113 Source trust me bro 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

@@pinball7113your mum invested

cos Peter is the most arrogant.

He's one the few dragons that will tell Peter he's wrong

every single time

No because you just read virtually the same comment about 6 comments up. Get some originality.

I always watch whilst doing number twos

@@eightiesboy This is Original

Dixon 😂😂😂 yes wtf

And your point is??

@@seamusmcspud5181 156 other people understood the point 🙄

Professor Pat Pending is once again in the Den.

Shes not "griping" at all. Shes a smart businesswoman who OF COURSE asks questions about patents. This IS a TV show. What do you expect? Dont you know how heavily edited these shows are? DUH

@@krissykat6849 Jesus, look at you. Getting all hot and bothered over a joke. 😂 This is the youtube comment section, what did YOU expect?? Smh.

I don't think it's THAT ridiculous... I mean, it is a trend that Apple basically started and one would assume they'd have some recourse against people who just try to look at that trend and trademark a bunch of things in order to demand that Apple pay them a ton of money in order to have the name... I just think of all those people in MMORPG video games who immediately will make characters that have highly desirable names like "Sephiroth" so they can reserve it until someone pays them hundreds of dollars for the name from someone who had no plans to use it... Like, this isn't AS scummy because the guy is obviously using what he protected, but still...

@@RealmRabbit it is THAT ridiculous though. iHome, iPlayer, there are many brands with iXxxx as their name, and they aren't getting beaten down by Apple. As a matter of fact iHome is essentially all just knockoff Apple stuff for the most part, and they still don't have any issues.

@@TheGauges420 Been awhile since I posted this but skimming over it I think I get what this was about. And yeah, I'd say that it would be an issue even if Apple isn't suing all the people who use their naming gimmick because it's possible that they might only bother suing a company if it is exceptionally successful and I don't think any examples you listed are so successful that they are household names (unlike the iPad or iPhone which basically everyone knows about). Like, the iPlayer without looking it up I have no idea if this is like an MP3 or a DVD player... And the iHome I similarly don't know what it is other than I can infer from the name it is probably something to do with smart devices scattered around your home or something... These products are so obscure and if you are pitching a product to an investor then an obscure product won't be big enough to get Apple's attention isn't what they are looking to invest in... So it's going to have issues if it is either too popular or not popular enough (for obvious reasons).

Exactly. Peter was ridiculously wrong, and totally ignorant of copyright law. Apple don’t own the letter i. Ever heard of BBC iPlayer?

Totally agree 👍

But they greedy.. thats the problem with all of them.

@@jeremylink3489 I think it is foolish of you to regard all manner of "greed" in such a simplistic way. Without some degree of self-interested "greed," much of what humanity has accomplished over the past few centuries would not have happened. Greed can be a powerful motivator in fueling personal ambition, imagination, enterprise, and adventure. We are as comfortable as we are today, typing comments at each other on the internet on our devices because of the greed and ambition of industrious people.

Bugsyzante get your grammar in line if you try to hit on a lady over RU-vid, pal

@@jeremylink3489 Risk entitles a reward.

This is not about big balls mate

Not being worried about Apple in that line of work is like walking naked in a house fire. The matters of a trial aren't about being afraid of Apple being right. It's about being afraid of Apple burying you into so much paperwork and legal costs that you go bust before the case ever reaches the stage of floor proceedings. Those lawsuits aren't about resolving a matter of truth in a court of law. They're about grinding you down in a war of attrition on your cash flow before that stage is reached. And let's be honest. All five dragons may be millionaires, and astute business people for all I know, but they wil never reach the levels of ressources and expertise Apple has access to. Even combined.

@@k.v.7681 It was proved that Apple can't trade mark a letter, they lost their claim when they tried so Duncan was right. Or they could sue iPlayer and all others that use the letter i. That would be insane.

clients he gets ?

Exactly. Peter was completely off the mark here, and it cost this guy other dragons unfairly

But Peter is right in this case. He was mistaken in that he specified that this guy will lose the lawsuit because of the 'i'. But he was correct in that Apple will give him a hard time. Duncan find out about this later and cancelled the deal.

@@aziris7257 and what about BBC iPlayer? Or the Hyundai i30? Or the iTeddy he invested in?

@@pugsterjosh7925 BBC iPlayer is a video in demand service, Hyundai i30 is a car, iTeddy is a children's toy. None of these products are consumer telecommunication electronics, which is Apple's main product line. When you talk about legality, you need to understand context. Something that is legal can be illegal under the right context. You can get reparations from someone over something legal, if you can find the right context. This guy is clearly attempting misrepresentation on his product.

They don't have to own the rights, they have enough bigd***money to swing around that they can probably just take it when they want it

exactly this, they will run your company dry with legal costs

With their money and resources they can easily buy him out.

My wife said she wanted one of those "i" gadgets for her birthday. Nothing too fancy, just something suitable for her everyday use. She wasn't best pleased when I bought her an iron.

The Jazz King or let him get the business very big then when it reaches its plateau, sue him and take all profits since day one.. that way he they don’t have to do any work Maybe buy him out after they sue him

"oot"

Lol so true

An*

lol then says, "you got a good deal"

this is television , acting, ha ha

He’s a rich douche who thinks money and high paid lawyers can get you whatever you want.

He does it because hes in the tech industry and doesn't like competition, he successfully poisened at least 2 dragons against this guy here and insisted that Apple could destroy it. It simply wasn't the case. Good thing business people are disagreeable by nature, Duncs really got a good bargain there, 40% of a middling company or 30% of a growing and successful one.

In this case, Peter was absolutely right about potential infringement upon a registered trademark

@@HughMungus11 You would think so, but Peter was proven wrong. Apple tried to sue for the rights and it was thrown out, the judge told them they couldn't claim trademark rights over the letter "i".

@@ed-7135 What is the title of the case and in which court and when was this decided?

I would like you to join Peter in a discussion on business and see how fast you would lose !

Lol oh that's funny and clever

Apple already did that when they came out with the Newton. ;)

hahhh they already stole his apple gravity pitch

Underrated!

Nice one there...

Yup. Peter was dead wrong, apple can’t copyright a letter of the alphabet. But sadly the other dragons were too ignorant to understand that - except for Duncan

He wasn't. Duncan learned this the hard way. Peter was only wrong because he specified a trademark issue, but it is actually a misrepresentation issue, not trademark.

@@aziris7257 so he was wrong then.

@@Technicallyimright He was wrong about it being a trademark issue, because it's a misrepresentation issue, not trademark. But he wasn't wrong about Apple giving this guy a C&D and having to change his tune once the lawyer's letter came in.

John Anthony read my comment above

Are you sure I thought Sesame Street owned it

@@rarity2006 this episode was bought to you by the letter I

@@rarity2006 Why do you think PBS just got a big chunk of that coronavirus bailout money? To fight Apple in court over this probably.

@@dralanblacker8471 I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea, but I would be surprised if Apple automatically owns EVERY word in the English language once you add an "I" to it. Especially since half of the companies that came out in the early days of the internet started with an I or E. Well before Apple released the iPod.

Sorry to burst your bubble people have been using smartphones since 2011. 2014-2019 the same amount of people were using them.

@@SuperMuneera dude I worked hard for that bubble.

9 in 5 adults???

@@thejuiceweasel I can tell you're young, probably 22 or less trying to make the rest of us seem old. 2014 was yesterday lol.

@@SuperMuneera almost, mid-thirties, but I take it as a compliment :D

Lol

I miss having Duncan on the show. He felt like the only person who didn't immediately take Peter at his word.

@Luc Nonsense. Their last accounts showed a turnover of over £11m with a net profit of half a million. Do your homework.

​@Luc You're looking at the wrong company. His name is Rajan Jerath and not Simon Jeffrey Glover.

Dormant cock

yeah mate they're doing brilliantly! Companies House has them on a retained profit of 472,000 GBP for FY 18/19, up on 175,000 GBP from the year before. Definitely a rare example of a Dragon's Den success story. Seemed like a nice guy too, good on him.

@@SkamGame Wait, a guy called Glover sells gloves?

Careful, you used the letter i

@@johnj3577 Ahhaha! Good one! 😄😄😄👍👍

Thank You!!!! Everyone get's on Jenny but Kelly has never made an offer and is an arrogant crow!

Duvaughn Kelly I agree, she’s arrogant and crass for no reason. Her interior design portfolio is ugly as hell too.

Exactly. I can't say I have seen her made an offer. Even Jenny has made a number of offers.

Then go invest in him. Dont tell others what to do with their hard earned money.

@@krissykat6849why so angry ? Wife not touching you at home? 😂

That probably why he knows if apple would or not

lol

sounds like he learnt a lesson

And my idea of a bluetooth scarf....damn!

And my idea of a blue tooth...

Bluetooth shoes is were it’s at, iGo Shoe..?

Or my idea of blue tooth glass but I guess I won't name it anything with an i

There's still a market for it to those who practice the leg behind head yoga position.

igoogled it and you are correct

@@noneofyourbusiness3095 damn 🤣

Peter's face throughout screams he can't wait to steal the idea.

@@gullibleseagull3996 I don't think Peter Jones likes the idea of iTeddy having to wear a glove in winter.....

@@simonrodgers3278 its possible I don't know but maybe it was apple you supplied the tech in the teddy the screen and apps etc I could be wrong

@@simonfarrimond3664 I'm pretty sure Apple had nothing to do with iTeddy

@@simonrodgers3278 I'm more disappointed in Deborah following suit, she should've known better.

Doubt peters did.

I must get some too

I want one too so that I can talk with my hand.

Thanks for the update. Imagine today...where gloves are essential thanks to Corona.....I bet they are making a fortune

Glad to hear this guy is doing well!

The smart glove is for their VR system they've been continually working on. (And don't let them fool youth haven't.) This would have no impact on this guy selling his iGlove.

She realised she had been wrong

Alright mate, will do

Yawn.

Why don’t you use a Bluetooth earpiece?

Bleach Chugtidy they do them in leather on eBay

Lofoten he did just get 40%...

He just invested in CHINA ! That's almost immoral!

So, he thinks it's not a democracy.

That's not true, in Polaroid Corp. v. Polarad Elect. Corp., 287 F.2d 492 (2d Cir. 1961) opposition was overruled by the examiner of the USPTO but the plaintiff was still able to bring suit. 15 U.S.C. 1064 provides a legal basis for cancellation of registration of a trademark

@@devnull08 wrong, Apple has already lost legal battles over other companies using an i prefix in their name. It's why Apple's newer products don't use it. Apple music, Apple Watch, Apple TV, they changed their product naming for a reason.

Apple TV was originally going to be called iTV, but since iTV was already trademarked by some unknown company here in the UK, they renamed it to Apple TV.

They can apply for invalidation of the trademark under the relative infringement rules. And they would win I agree with peter. It doesn’t matter anyway because they would file such a massive case the adverse costs would be millions even if they withdrew the objection or invalidation petition.

@@XX-qj9sj Thats not the point, they know they can't win but will run you dry over legal costs, they will drag it out as long as possible or offer a buyout.

Not at all-it was dumb of this guy not to come up with a name that couldn't be confused with the market leaders, some might say he did it deliberately to try to piggyback off their name to maximise sales. Thing is Apple will have no issue dropping millions in court fees & this guy is there begging for 75k-the court costs would cripple him even if he won.

😂😂😂

Peter would have joined the British ‘Free’ Corps...

Legend is Duncan, so is his dad 🇬🇧

🤣🤣🤣

😂

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Larry XK I didnt ask for the extra philosophy g

Larry XK ‘flippin’

The only one time I've laughed at these jokes, well done

This joke is older than Duncan ffs.

Congrats on copy-pasting something someone else came up with.

Haha

@@BenjaminGoose I made it up actually. You silly goose

well, naming his product staring with a prefix i was most likely his intention to begin with, as it generates consumers' interest instantly by associating it to a well known brand name...there wouldn't be the same marketing effect if B or C were used, as most of the buying consumers are loyal to brands and their names and just go for a well known familiar name to begin with. So yeah, Peter is absolutely right, there is a conflict of interests here and Apple could easily bury this guy legally if they cared to do so...

@@kimskis i agree, but there are ways around it

E-Glove

Doesn't matter they are on sale at amazon regardless of apple blah blah!

potato head kind of shocking when you think about Deborah being one of the names associated with patent, trademarks and IP. I was shocked and amazed when Deborah took the same stand. What about the brand “iball” though? Or is it allowed to have “iball” but not “iBall”?

@@chinmayravindrashah well people associate her with patents because a couple of times she did the following: “can I look at the paperwork, please? Ah it says your application for a patent was accepted, not that the patent was granted”. But I don’t Think she knows that much about IP’s and patents at all.

Chinmay Shah other dragons ask for deb to look over patents for them, she knows what’s up. These women are where they are by taking good advice, Peter had good safe advice so they were smart to listen.

@@chinmayravindrashah It matters on what the product is. You can't have two products in the same category of products or there might be confusion. You can have iBall because Apple doesn't make balls. McDonald's tried suing people who also had restaurants named McDonald's even when it was the owners last name! The big fast food corp finally backed down when a man in Scotland stood up to them. It was his last name and his family had run the business for 400+ years! In fear of losing their trademark, McDonald's put their tail between their legs and that was the end of that. As long as an actual fast food restaurant isn't using the name McDonalds then it's okay. (They made fun of this in the movie 'Coming to America'. Fun Fact: Apple Records had legal issues with Apple Computer using the name Apple. It was settled as long as Apple Computer doesn't get in the music business. Years later when Apple Computer started advertising their equipment as being able to compose and make music Apple Records started legal proceedings. They finally settled with Apple Computer paying them certain amount of money.

potato head completely agree