Peter & Sam Discuss If They're All Getting Fired | Margin Call 

I just realized why he said that he needs the money later. He is going to need it for his son. Cant tell him but he wont let him out to dry

Wrong

I think he heard the choppers coming in, like a veteran grunt who’s ear is trained to the sound.

@@dollarbill9652 ?

I interpreted it differently. There is implication that the son works in finance and will be hurt in the collapse that is about to happen. Maybe he does it so he will have a nest egg to support his son if he bankrupts. But his actions run the risk of hurting his son. And when he buries his dog, doesn’t the exwlfe say the son survived the crash?

He sure can. A great example of "Do you really want artists to be perfect human beings?" I don't

​@@raytheonbuna1021 I mean, I don't want them to be pieces of shit either, but that can be a lot to ask for in a field like that.

I understand completely. Perhaps my tolerance has grown higher from exposure....😆🙂 @@insideline158

Likes young dudes,sic

Indeed he can.

I think he is actually remembering his dog is likely dead by now (he says earlier in the film that the vet said his dog is dying)

@@cardiffgiant9406His dog was dead well before this. While Quinto’s character is putting the pieces together, Spacey’s character is holding his dog as they’re about to put it to sleep.

@@mottebailley4122 you're right...thanks for the clarification. It's been a while since I saw the movie in full!

@@cardiffgiant9406 It’s a great movie! Definitely recommend seeing it again :)

He was not allowed to. His son was at a rival company.

That's the thing with ethics and morals isn't it? For whom is it the right thing or wrong thing to do?

Spot on. That scene at the end when he earned a spot in the top floor…..you know eventually he ended up on the dark side of the force

@@alrom125 yeah....

I got the impression when he asked if he talked to his son that he was indirectly pointing out to Sam an opportunity to make money from the collapse.

Just shut up

@@alrom125 You can expect that of Sylar and Dark Spock.

no music?

I wish they would make movies like this again. They love cgi and super heros to much now. Forgot about the art of film making and dialogue. It's all just explosions and people yelling now.

1:40 there's music

​​@@getbetterdrunky7612lots of movies with this simplicity exist, you just have to watch them. But they often still have VFX shots. Fincher movies for example aren't usually very flashy but he uses VFX to get exactly the look he wants.

I would go so far as to say this movie is the modern day equivalent of 12 angry men. Going against EVERYTHING that you would expect in a Hollywood movie, relying on nothing but a solid script and excellent performances to carry it.

Jeremy Iron is amazing too.

Got some news there for ya bub

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​@@phillipsandcastle8387Sadly he's getting roles again lately.

He likely will be playing in Summer Stock in Peru !

@@l.a.3479 🤐

@@l.a.3479 Edited now. Thanks!

more like overlooked. Those who actually saw it have very high regards for it.

I think peters bigger concern was having a job to even come to anymore vs being let go bc the fire sale was a last ditch hail Mary play to keep the company from going under even though it still took a critical hit and would still be in the reds for a while due to their reputation being shot now. It's why they offered all the brokers such huge bonuses if they hit their goals bc like Sam said we know by having you do this we are essentially ending your careers as traders bc you will never have anyone trust you after this.

Peter only works on risk management of that specific asset. If they sell that asset, they have no use for the employees in that department.

Or to be prepared for his mortgage and outstanding debt payments to skyrocket.

It's a hint, but also could be just be a concern. If the corporation would pay its ex-employees hundreds of thousands of dollars per hour to sit in a room all day, I doubt Sam would dare break the news to his son directly.

@@acash93 He likely did. At the end of the movie Sam's ex tells him his son got hammered but survived. So either his son's firm got lucky or they had a head start.

@@reubenmcmurray4377 only if he had an ARM

I believe at this point, he realize what is gonna happen to common people.

Talk to your managers isnt wrong or weird. Its just the timing and the topic really. Theyre both outside and not in work time.

DO YOU???? THIS IS IT

Didnt see whole movie but maybe they just wanted him to stay around so he doesnt do anything stupid during this time.

It's a carrot and stick power play. The huge bonus is the carrot. The stick is that he is now not going to be able to backstab anyone without serious blowback, being implicated, thrown under the bus, being blackballed. Those sort of things are why they're afraid of the CEO.

@@eschiedler You didn’t understand the question.

Also wasn't there another analyst that just dropped of in the beggining and went totally missing in a crytical time? Maybe they didnt want the repeat of that.

@@IamKavot Not another analyst. His boss was fired earlier in the day. They brought him back so that he wouldn't talk. The whole disgruntled employee who might go public and say "I told you so". Spock didn't do anything at all once the bosses accepted his conclusions. He played no role and devising a strategy. He wasn't a broker. And he came and went from the building several times. They gave no indication that they were concerned that he would squeal.

Absolutely true

Yeah all of them

why

​@@hereticsshallbecleansed7245he's basically telling Peter that he doesn't have to kiss any of their asses or worry about his job or feel sorry for anyone.

@@jlogan2228Or a passive aggressive way to say I want to be left alone

We've seen The Boss' helicopter much earlier in the movie, during the "Not today!" scene with Bettany's character on the roof. This is prolly some board member, who didn't bother to wake up earlier or wasn't deemed mandatory for the main meeting

Funny thing is, helicopters don't land on NYC roofs, not even hospitals in Manhattan.

I always thought it's the feds

@@acaperic9070I don't think they'd waste money on a chopper if all they could do was slow them down, but then again, reckless govt spending...

It's the guys from Mitch and Murray, maybe even Lempkin.

umm, we already did.

Wow are you that young? lol

I always likened it to those two lookouts who saw the iceberg coming as they crewed the titanic. The desperation and ultimate futility.

I never thought of this scene like that but that’s a good hypothesis. I’m now conflicted on whether the kid was genuine or not.

I don't read this scene or Quinto like that at all.

He prolly threw it to the ground and stepped on it after his last puff.

That was deep!

what is a quick fire way to learn finance lingo and immerse myself without feeling intimidated. I have a friend in currency exchange and when they talk to me it sounds like gibberish. would you say it is likely or unlikely that someone in Tuld's position knows as little as he claims? for instance how he insists Sullivan speak to him like he would a small child or gold retriever. it seems unlikely to me that a billionaire running a company cannot comprehend the math behind the company he is running. did you ever feel intimidated in that line of work? are there mind games and manipulation that occur within to raise ones status?

​@@donut5143 >would you say it is likely or unlikely that someone in Tuld's position knows as little as he claims? >are there mind games and manipulation...? you got it lol.

Yeah they probably wouldn’t last long if they spend their time thinking about whether they’re doing the right thing

@@donut5143 It's called - If you can't explain it to me "like a kid", you may not really understand what is going on.

Actually, all the firms collectively did cause the crash.

“I don’t much either”

@@jb76489 thx have a good day

Writing is better in this one. Two movies depicting the same crisis in very different ways.

Not even close. It's far more expository, but as far as written and acted, not in the same ballpark.