What is a "real hypercar" though? Road going "hypercars" don't have a specific look and usually have 1000+ HP (Koenigsegg, Bugatti), not sure about this one.
This car is more designed than engineered and I love it, they are making the best of the rules. Good video as always and it seems like your production quality is increasing.
thats a big misconception, you have to have engineering team behind it in order for design team to have that much free hand on giving the car best look possible. kudos to both teams
I'm not sure, I guess they removed back fin in order to have very better aerodynamics, maybe this car is both beautiful and very efficient in race. I guess they have found a way to have a flat bottom without fin, so very few frictions, and high aerodynamic supports !
@@X22GJP i think you have not understood my comment at all lmao. I never said that engineering did more than design, i've said that both are equally important.
My opinion on why Peugeot, since the aero parameters are fixed, chose this approach: Well, at an overtake situation, a car that rely only on ground-effect, can manage better the "dirt air" therefore the task is easier.
Dirty air was never a massive issue even in LMP1 heyday (unlike in F1) and these LMHs (and LMDhs) have a lot less DF. So I can't believe it would be the main reason behind this.
@@deggis4 I think it's a mix of both dirty air (as little as it is), top speed and fuel economy, not just one main area they wanted to focus on could be good, let's see
I think that Peugeot understands part of the intend of the Hypercar category quite well. While LMP1 was a pure engineering project, LMH is engineering and design coming together for both the sport and as a promotion for the brand. Unlike the 905 and 908, or the R18 and 919 for that matter, this is actually reminiscent of brand's other cars. I hope that Toyota and other manufactures will follow this example. Now lets just hope that the 9X8 isn't going to be a huge letdown in terms of pace and reliability…
I hope that too, simply because it's the preetiest car hehe. But anyways, i don't see any reason for that no wing design approach to be a let down performance wise, the total downforce on the regulations are set in very conservative numbers and the total drag is already set. So, ground effect vs wing debate, which results in more efficient downforce (which one creates downward vector with the least backward vector which is a way to evaluate the efficiency of a wing profile for example) becomes nonsensical. This is a way to level the game between different budgets. In all, in theory, doesnt matter if you choose to race a triangular car with a spherical shaped car, if both of them have the same frontal area, same coefficient and the same downforce, none will have aero advantages over the other. But that's in a shower thought theory. Gotta see them racing. But i don't think they will flunk like the Nissan GTR-LM Nismo, that radical FWD design...
@@Lucas-ck1po and tbh the GTR nismo could have worked, if they actually spent more time developing it and chose someone with real life driving skills to test it. Now we'll never know :(
looks really cool, the first prototype without a rear wing in God knows how long. But I still think it's kinda sad that the reason they choose this is that they know performance will be limited anyway so there's no point in engineering the best car because of BoP. I think we lost the element of engineering competition.
@@edermancera1123 Balance of Performance. The governing sport dictates vehicle performance by changing compression, RPMs, boost levels, refueling speeds, etc. to help balance the field. It creates for very close racing when done properly - but people bemoan the loss of competitive engineering. Unfortunately that "competition" is what drives the sport into the ground every couple of years. Big manufacturers spend big money...meaning smaller teams or manufacturers are removed almost immediately. The arms race then pushes budgets up and the big manufacturers leave...and we get what we've had the past few years - one or two manufacturer cars. The days of huge budgets for motorsport are more or less gone. If you want good racing, BoP is often the answer. If you want a tiny amount of cars with fancy tech...then you remove BoP but the sport will fall apart. It's happened dozens of times in the past 20-30 years.
The main reason why they have chose a car without rear wing is because they want something beautiful, that's what they said in the event. And if the car is not fast enough after testing, maybe a rear wing will be added. They have design something beautiful and they hope the car will be fast, it's not how competition works for me. This car is more a publicity car than a race car for now. If you understand french you can learn more about this car design here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Q11PNFUp4tU.html
Awesome job getting this video up as quickly as you did. I was thinking if it would be possible for you to an aerodynamic analysis on the Valkyrie AMR Pro, especially the diffuser? The only in-depth one I've seen is a 3 year old video by Kyle Engineers, but the design of the Valkyrie has changed a great deal since then, more so for the AMR Pro than the standard car. Maybe even a rundown on the events where AM announced they were going to enter WEC with the Valkyrie only to cancel due to a combination of AM becoming disillusioned with the LMH rules and the business slump they were (and still are in a way) going through. Thought that would tie in well with your current video series on LMH regulation cars and I always enjoy the insight you provide into the business aspect of sports/race car design and engineering. Love your channel dude!
Great video, I also assumed they use extensive ground effects, all that air has to go somewhere. But my concern is all kind of clever engeneering is absolutely useless because of BoP.
At least Peugeot used it for an interesting design. And I have the feeling that they would be a bit more flexible to react to BoP changes due to the basic low drag design. BoP is not BoP ;)
Keep it up dude. You speak English very well. I mean easy for us Americans to understand. We hate watching videos when we can barely make out what is being said. I'm sure I couldn't do as well. Anyway, I'm new to your channel, but I'm subscribing. Short, knowledgeable, yet in depth to a point. Great job! Keep it up and keep vids to 10 mins or so at the most. I'm an aeronautical engineer, but even I don't have patience for 20 minute vids. Good luck, and keep going.
@@BSport320 What country are you based in. Really sounds like Europe somewhere but not English as a first language. I would guess northern Europe. Germany region maybe. My grandparents came here from Norway in 1936.
@@BSport320 That's great dude, I wish you the best. Just keep pushing out videos just like you have been. I watched some more of your stuff. Great quality. Hard work pays off. Maybe this time next year you can RU-vid full time. You never know. You are good enough, and as an American, I know hard work pays off. At least here you are the captain of your destiny.
Excellent video, thanks for making this so quickly! Quick question: Peugeot said they have a few options for their single adjustable aerodynamic element. Obviously the currently missing front wing is the obvious answer, but do you have any ideas what else they might trial?
I noticed that little opening at the top of the nose which looks like they could open and close it. That could be another option and would be less sensitive to clog up during a long race
Such an interesting car. I'd really love to see what's going on at the front of the underbody. Maybe they'll flip one and we'll be able to see the it lol
I think they geared it towards Le Mans, with less drag caused by the wing, while at the same time reaping benefits from the limited downforce rules to have a design that will be competitive still on other tracks.
LMDH, the U.S. based side will have customer cars - though I don't recall if it's mandatory or voluntary. Those LMDH customer cars will, theoretically, be eligible for Le Mans. So Acura, Porsche, Audi, BMW and...whatever GM decides to do - will have customer cars.
FINALLY a racecar without hideous wings. I've lost interest in tin top racing because of the wings, which I can see on Main Street every day after school lets out.
That's brilliant because everyone was running out of ideas for air going ABOVE the car. The Peugeot thought, "What if we use the air that's UNDERNEATH?"
Ground effect is a really simple and easy way to apply Bernoulli's principle. It was known since a lot time but the reason it took so long for it to be widely used is that the rest of aerodynamics as a field of Study is a lot more advanced now and can effectively make use of ground effect.
If we think about dirt and pick up during a long race, low aero parts ant the front are the least consistent (front wing, brake ducts). If it's about following another car, the less wings I have, the better I can follow.
Groundeffect looks nice on paper, but for equivalent downforce, rearwing will be far more aero stable. Le mans is a 24h race with regular damage to the floor, changing conditions, so this is a very risky decision. Moreover, designing a car making a kind of tradeoff with design team is probably not the best way to ensure you will get the best of the rules. Historically we have example where pure performance must never be in debate with car design if you want to gain the last tenth. Regarding overall competitors, this choice may only be done by Peugeot. If you want to win, no compromise
All they need to do is raise the suspension then. The ground effects is actually smart for the 24 hours because they hit the amount of downforce needed with minimal drag. Even then dirty air wont effect this car as much. Actually it should aid the car as overbody air will be less and easier to punch through and theres always air on the ground so the diffuser will always make downforce
I SOOO hope the final racer actually looks like this and works well. LMP1 morphology has gotten so stagnant and most of what I’ve seen from LMH has just been more of the same.
It will be very interesting to see if this kind of free-form design by Peugeot will be more effective than the more rigid, accepted prototype design that Toyota has gone with, and then which way will Ferrari go with their car?? This feels like a step away from LMP and into the future of sportcar design.
Me alegra que te guste,y eso que tiene alerón trasero.Admito que me parece raro ahora pero creo que me podría acostumbrar,te puedo decir que de frente me parece más bello que el Toyota GR010
It looks like they designed it in a way where it can barely protect its position in the corners but capitalizing on the low drag to pull away on the straights
„They used quite some design elements that made the car look cool“ But Rear Wings are THE part that make Race Cars look cool. It’s different which is also interesting but don’t tell me it wouldn’t look better with a wing.
take a look at the CART indycars from the 90's. they were all about making 'down force' with the under tray. to the point where the cars would suck the blacktop off the ground.
Ever since 2017, after audi pulled out of the WEC, I haven't been as interested in WEC as I have been in IMSA. The FIA made an absolute mess and mockery of top class sports cars with the lmp1 rules - the hybrids were the only cars that had any chance to win, the petrol powered lmp1 cars were more like lmp1.5 cars... IMSA had cars that not only looked different, but performed different and had plenty of manufacturers in the DPi class. Cadillac (Dallara chassis) , Mazda (Multimatic chassis-and the RTP-24 is one of the best looking race cars ever), Nissan (ligier chassis), Acura/Honda (Oreca chassis) and Riley running their own chassis... It has been a great past 5-6 years for imsa... And while imsa was getting better, wec was getting worse. When Porsche quit after 2017 and Toyota was the only hybrid car left, that's when wec died its official death. It's been on life support and barely clinging onto life - the savior of the WEC was the massive and awesome field of lmp2 cars and the awesome GTE cars. The top class was quite literally the least interesting racing class EVER. As in the entire history of motor racing, the 2 car lmp1 class was the worst. Rebellion won some races after the FIA took away over half of the hybrid power of the Toyota cars - which is even worse. If you have a "top class" series of only 3 cars... If 2 of those cars have a 300hp advantage over the 3rd car, then your rules package clearly sucked. Now, I'm honestly thinking that in a few years wec will become sooooo much better than it's ever been. The hypercar rules package is fantastic...the manufacturer can choose what power train they want, they decide how the car looks, etc. Hypercar is a very good thing for racing - anyone who remembers the imsa gtp racing from around 1985 - 1992 was AMAZING. The gtp cars were group c cars just with MORE POWER! 750hp Porsche 962's 1000+hp Chevy corvette gtp 1000+hp Buick Hawk 700hp Ford Probe gtp 1000+hp BMW /March chassis It was the golden age of the sports car racing in America. The hypercar rules remind me of those gtp rules... Giving the manufacturer tons of leeway to design a car that's different from every other car. Want to run a little ICE and a hybrid? Go for it! Want to run a bigass ICE and add hybrid? OK! Wanna build a twin turbo V8 monster and say fuck hybrids? Do it! Wanna build a car that resembles a space ship and without a wing? Have at it! THAT is how sports car racing is supposed to be. Prototype racing is much older than people realize... The Ford gt40 and Ferrari 333p (330p?-i forgot lol) were prototypes... In the 70s you had Porsche 908s and little Matras and monster 1200hp 917's. They all looked, sounded, and performed differently... They were instantly recognized at a glance. These hypercar regs are bringing back the creativity into sports car racing. I look forward to 2025 - by then hopefully there will be 6 or more manufacturers... Including the LMDH regs, we're possibly gonna have the following manufacturers racing at Le Mans in 2025 : Ferrari Lamborghini (?) Toyota Glickenhaus Peugeot Porsche Audi BMW (?) Cadillac Acura Mazda Ford (?) That 12 manufacturers! That's 20+ top class hypercar /LMDH cars with an actual real chance to win overall. That's amazing. We haven't had more than 2 cars with a real chance to win since 2017... Even this year we can look forward to someone beating Toyota. Glickenhaus probably not - but there's always a chance. Alpine has a real actual chance to win. I can't wait for le mans 2022 and beyond!
They will get a LeMan win because France. Ya know. Will they win enough races in the WEC calendar to be champ? I am excited to see. Its different looking. that's a win for fan.
All this pretty stuff is basically prototype level. Once production hits 1000 units per year they can be homologated as actual cars; until then they are just handmade toys.
Daring Approach by Peugeot no doubt. But can someone remind them that Porsche & Ferrari are the main manufacturers to worry about. If Peugeot's 9X8 becomes successful? Man. This will be a Game changer !
Uh, I hate to point this out, but it has a massive rear wing. They changed its location is all. Instead of putting a wing up on pillars they attached it to the car. This has been done for many decades and is hardly new technology.
They didn't want a rear wing, like it shows on the rear in a vinyl. Plus they designed in as a duck tale instead of having a wing. as clearly shown in the rear photos.
They create enormous Vortex Always like no wings car 1983 F1 // 88 Lotus double chassis 2022 should be a blast from the past I do like technology 675 HP and you go super Fast with less fuel That's the key you go super Fast with less power make sence
At freaking last. It's taken ten years but finally we have a Le Mans contender that isn't a pig ugly advertising board on wheels. If they stick a rear wing, or even worse, a fin on this it will be an abomination.
It's easy to tune a rear wing .. or even re-design it .. if this goes wrong for Peugeot then it's going to be expensive in time and money to put right.
