Phase 4 DPS Rankings and Class Balancing Updates | Season of Discovery 

About 1 hour after publishing this video we received MORE class balancing updates, this time to Paladins and Rogues. Here is the link to the Wowhead Article: www.wowhead.com/classic/news/season-of-discovery-phase-4-ptr-development-notes-world-buffs-paladin-and-rogue-343844?webhook

I play feral and have done so for years, and will continue to do so. Im pretty happy with where feral in raids. I usually end on 2nd - 3th place on meters with being 14/15 Bis (Chamsiin on Wild Growth) Im super excited to get the full talents at 60, the tier 1 bonus will be alot of dps, and the fact we get cat swipe is so great! I personaly couldnt be more happy

I'm shocked after vanilla classic that they kept world buffs in for SoD. Its cancer to raiding.

i haven't seen a single video talking about enhancement, anyone knows how they're doing?

really excellent video! i feel like shadow will be good like it has been in previous phases, for like the first 2 weeks when it gets a nerf and falls completely behind. AGAIN. we will see

As a warrior that hates depending on buffs to be useful should i just level my sham?

"Massive buff to Drain Soul" Brother, This change does nothing. It's still better to use Shadow Bolt over Drain Soul even during the execute window. Drain Soul can not crit and the base damage is just way too low. Just looking at the numbers in a vacuum this update will never make sense. Shadow Bolt SP scaling is SO high that buffing Drain Soul SP scaling by 4x won't even draw them even. Also the dev note about immolate being used by affliction locks is just 100% false. I have no idea where they get their info from but it's not us, it's not Warcraft Logs. I don't think anyone on the dev team plays the class.

Is warrior viable in pvp or do we still lose to everyone?

Where can you see the test work logs at

In a perfect world they would just give everyone the stats we get from world buffs across the board so we don't have to waste any time with it. Running through a cleared dire maul isn't gameplay.

"I think these changes are pretty good" Hammerdance my man. Just say you don't know how any of these classes work instead of that bs. Though maybe that puts you on par with the devs that made these changes and thought they did something.

Great video!, do you makes these thumbnails yourself? :D i deff think we need more class changes, but they are on the right track imo ☺

Why is PTR offline for days

Warriors allways op dude ,Hope they keep that!!!

Double the CD on Fireblast? feel extremely bad man....

Remove world buffs from the game

The thing with the logs that have been coming out is that the melee weapons aren't that great in the PTR, the boss is also lvl 63 so that means glancing blows is more noticeable, also with that warrior doing only 800 dps, there's a big difference between a good warrior and a average warrior, not saying that warrior is bad but that could be why it's so low. I think casters are popping off more is because of the spell hit they put on the rings, a lot of casters are hit capped which i believe is 17%, in vanilla no caster is was hit capped in molten core lol, you'd be lucky to have 3% hit on all your gear.

They really need to remove the stacks from Imp shadow bolt to match what they did for stormstrike!

The numbers are broken for mages(and all casters) for a variety of reason. Occultist Poison and Curse of Agony are stacking +10% Spell Damage +10 Spell Damage. Mages come preequipped with +30 sp weapon, greater firepower elixirs(Not in game till AQ?), Brilliant wizard oil(Not in game until ZG?). Also every other consume under the sun. World Buffs are infinitely better for physical classes than they are for caster classes. Most times I've seen these numbers the mage also has warlock SP buff. Also for mages to truly pop off they need a comp with 2 fire mages and 1 frost mage which is usually unlikely. The Mage changes are Brain Freeze - Still not better then spell power boots, Balefire - Not one wants this and its not good, Fireblast - new rune was good and then they made it complete shit. Locks can run around in meta spamming sear pain but mages have 15 seconds on fireblast? gross. They need to replace the mage spell power boot rune instead. Warlock changes are gaslighting locks. Affliction's largest dot isnt immolate... It's Unstable Affliction which the shadowflame rune competes with... Dumb change. Soul Siphon still sucks and wont be used. Backdraft is minor.

I have said this so many times. Really long 30 min cds really help give classes super powerful and useful assists. Without making a class OP. I don’t care about charts like these. Trying to balance classes is only going to push blizzard into designing “rotations” for each class and spec. 🤢 Understanding the fundamental combat system of auto attacks plus button presses. Should allow you to design enemies and boss fights where all forms of class design can be relevant. EDIT: Armor class also plays a large roll. Making plate valuable will also help. I’m not sure blizzard understands combat or class design. They make FANTASTIC loot though. but that’s the easy part tbh.

Phase 4 launch is my birthday it's gonna be LIT bro lmao

The warrior feels terrible, especially Arms. Also, the new changes make Fury look so much better

where was shaman?

Wow this is the worst class balance we've seeen yet in SoD. I think I'm just gonna quit and go play turtle WoW. Seems like they are balancing around the top 0.1% players fully buffed in a raid environment with no consideration to anything else. Even before this 50% dps nerf, Warrior is the worst PvP class by far, worst solo class by far(only class that can't solo elites), mid to lower tier group dps, mid raid dps without world buffs in an average raid. Even with full world buffs and consumes, there only like 5% ahead in most raids(top 90%). The problem with Warriors is that they're 30-40% ahead in the very top raids in the world(top 0.1%). So Blizzard decides to nerf them by 50% to put them mid tier in that scenario(top 0.1% raid dps), while neglecting that they're already mid tier in most raid scenarios(especially progression) and already 50% worse than every other class at PvP and the only class that can't solo effectively. Saying wait for world buffs doesn't cut it for me, as 95% of the time I'm playing, I don't have world buffs. Even when I'm raiding, I'm in a mid tier guild who usually wipes 4-5 times per raid. World buffs are a cancer that ruins class balance. Seems like they wanted so bad to balance it for guys like Ahlondou that they forgot that's like less than 1% of players.

Blizzard is not able to get damage balancing right. History shows it. Max potential shouldnt differ for more than 10% which would be ok.

Don’t want this to sound mean, but they did say that the new rouge poison is bugged and that’s why casters seem so good right now, so this whole video might be gas lighting

Blizz is trying so hard to keep warrior's from being top dps lol

big changes for hunters and look much better

Time to reroll Hammer

Hold on warriors doing 800 dps and other classes doing more is crazy but being 3 times ahead of everyone is cool tho right. Tbh warrior can stay at 800 all I care.

"Better class balance" - Gives rogues no "behind requirement" but not ferals. Gives rogues AOE bleeds that do more dps per dot than a single feral bleed. GG

Range hunter need some more love!

As a warlock I feel lied too. We didn’t get a single spell or ability from anything other than wotlk. And the only “new” spell was shadowbolt volley…. Our class rework nerfed us so damn hard it’s gonna be difficult getting into a raid as anything other than just a CoR bot. Just like classic, don’t know what I expected I guess

Dude amen man warrior feels terrible now. Been main warrior since Vanilla wow and have never felt so weak then on the ptr right now. I mean prot was doing more damage then fury was when i was testing it

Warriors are trash in every. And trash in pvp.

that has always been the problem for warriors... for them to look even remotely good or decent. they have to have world buffs... and i find that very annoying and fucked up for every class can perform well without the world buffs while warriors requires it... It has always been a thing since then and still is a thing now kinda cause in dragonflight, warriors couldn't perform well without specific items and their weapon needing to be legendary... and that legendary is not even that great... other classes still performing well/better then warrior even with their BiS.

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Dpubles warrior dps but also increases those existing classes numbers so instead of mages doing 2k theyll do 2.5k or higher while warriors do 1.6k lol warriros are cooked this season.

How about feral take all dmg spell give only buffs who cares!

Devvs make only nonses changes for warlocks.....all this things are nothing......00000000 impact on our gameplay.We will still use old borring runes and ather 90% we never tuch.This phase will be the worst one ....

World Buffs are bad for the game, hope they dont bring them back.

i agree with hammerstance. i dont likebeing destro lock either... you are basically a fake fire mage. Warlocks should be slinging shadow spells, not fire.

fix warrior stance dancee

Warriors are trash now. I keep hearing it

Warrior sad

As long as warriors do top dps, im fine.

who cares about world buffs. warriors should be doing more dps even without world buffs.

only 1 of the mages did significantly more lol the other mage was same was next 2