Phil in the Blanks: Covert Narcissist -Toxic Personalities in the Real World (PART 2) 

Amen to your freedom!

I am right behind you. My eyes have opened. Thanks for your bravery.

❤Amen !❤️

You are an inspiration

I hope you have a relationship with Jesus so you can live an eternity Him and happiness ❤

Just divorced my narcissist after 8 years. I understand.

I highly recommend watching this short video: Covert Narc Secret Crazy Making Communication Weapon They Use To Abuse- by Richard Grannon. Listen til the very end. He explains how coverts cycle between feelings of Elation & feelings of Depletion & Why victims stay stuck & how to move on. I really think it wld help u & others. You got this!

They find the BEST of the empathic souls and with insidious intentions DIG IN. I'm in the end stage of this "cancerous affliction" 6 days to mediation. With a new lawyer. The company I used, your lawyers handled first the divorce filing, then a separate mediation attorney, if needed. It was like shopping from an a la carte menu. My lawyer was mid trial in another case, I need to talk before our Court zoom room convenes on Jan 12th. After 40 years, what's 6 more days? LESS than a week!!!

Oh my all I can say is hello friend, I hear you loud and clear almost 7 years been away from for almost three and feel exactly the way you just described it is an awful place to be as you stay close to God I do the same I feel that's the only thing that has kept me saying in alive so far is having some sort of faith but it waivers often it's like a seesaw up and down I'd really like some help with this I'm in a lot of pain and I have a lot of anger and confusion guilt and shame.. God bless us!

I totally understand! My 3 siblings are narcissistic. I have always been the grey mouse under the table

Yup

Omgosh! Yes to this!! Perfect analysis! I just got out of a 4 year relationship with one and it is soooooo hard!!

My ex would tell me about conversations with her friends at work but it was actually conversations with guys she was cheating with.. sickening

I'm actually dealing with one now and not only the lies and blaming I uavnt been able to leave the house in 3 years he won't even go to work afraid I will leave when he does he watches me on cameras

@@marcyw please stay safe. And when you do plan to leave, don't tell him, just go, with no contact afterwards. The person you're with can be very dangerous. I was with one for 29 years, and I'm finally free. I didn't EVER , EVER , think I'd be free, yet here I am, going on my 2nd year, finally free. Starting to live my life with happiness and starting to love myself and continue to work through my PTSD . I have been diagnosed with, after all that had happened. You've got this, please don't lose sight of yourself,, remember that YOU MATTER, YOU ARE SPECIAL, YOU ARE IMPORTANT, YOU DESERVE TO BE LOVED, CARED FOR , RESPECTED,and TREATED NICELY. My thoughts and prayers go out to you as well as anyone , male & female, who are involved or have been involved with a narcissist. One of the most traumatic, hardest things I've ever been through, in my 55 years of life. I've known heartbreak ..but my past relationship with him was beyond anything I could ever accurately describe. Much love to you all, peace and comfort. ((Hugs))

I took me a year to figure this friend out. But had a bad feeling early, victim mentality, right off the start. So I kept giving in to those feelings. One time I told them they make me feel disrespected for my time, eg: they message and ask how I am, I respond timely, and I don’t hear back for 2-7 business days). They come back weeks later and say “ I’m sorry I make you feel that way BUT…. Then it is just all about them and show no acknowledgment to what I just said. Total lack of empathy for my feelings. Another red flag was she had said good morning to me, then after I got settled to work and had a minute to chat, messaged back “good morning”. She then attacked me saying “ I don’t know if you think I’m dumb, or can’t tell time, whatever the case may be you need to chill out on my”. When I got that message i was dumbfounded. What brought that on? Who is this person? How did a “good morning”trigger this person like that?. I was so confused, I responded to her in a calm state that I did not deserve that, basically. Two weeks later, she came back, trying to sell me on some MLM gig. Again no regard to what I messaged. WTF??? I started googling behavioural patterns. And here I am. 2 months no contact because they dropped the mask one to many times with me. I walked, but after I let them financially and mentally manipulate me. So there is my lesson. And I’m happy I learned it early. May we all heal from these toxic people. And not ignore the bad vibes they project !!

Don't show emotion around them they are not emotional

He's homeless so he prays on single women who who support themselves financially

Boy you hit the nail on on the head. No empathy, no emotion, always blaming, playing victim, and revengeful.

There's no jobs out there heard that one for years

This is exactly what I've been doing through. He used my emotional health and physical health against me. Along with the history of other family members (especially my mother, who is passed on).

I knew what u mean, after years they do reset the brain somehow into a whole different mode..the thinking changes...

Praise God , you are out. They hate seeing our happiness after getting out. 😂

I’m about to go through the same thing- I’ve been married 20years but together 23- as of yesterday when I heard part 1 of narcissism my stomach lurched and with growing horror I recognised my husband being described. I’ve tolerated which I know now is abuse and gaslighting for years but I hit my wall last year- I’ve stopped doing what I’ve always done and he has decided to walk away! Together we decided I would be a full time mom, looked after hubby and home and now he has the status he wanted, the 6 figure salary he wanted( he had nothing when I met him- no home, no car no pension but I had all 3 and he has bloomed since being with me) but because he can’t exert his power over me he has left and wants to sell the house and start a new life in another county. Starting over at my age, with no home or job he couldn’t give a damn about however, the saving grace of this is that I get to have peace of mind that I am not going to suffer the abuse of a narcissist for the later years of my life.

@@Angiebaby71 go for it and don’t look back

Same

38 years 🤯 I was going to loose my mind after just 3 years.. can‘t imagine how you feel 😭

That's because everybody suddenly realizes they were married to a narcissist whenever they jump into the internet narcissist bubble.

⁠@@joeysgear1419this comment comes straight from a covert NARCISSIST.

Females are really great until after you marry them. 1st wife I divorce just after 1st year. 2nd wife stuck in16 years of horrific ups and downs, Divorced! 3rd wife I had no idea she was a 50 shades of gray lady, until the honeymoon night and whips & chains game out . Marriage lasted 4 hours, Divorce took about 9 months to get to court. 4th wife was a Women, 8 years my senior but beautiful at 64 years old, She was married to the same man 35 years but he passed away. I married her and she showed me what a truly, loving and caring marriage was like. She passed 2022 at 85 years, she gave me 22 of the greatest married life I could ever have expected. I miss her very much!

my ex frequently misused that phrase it is how he set himself as a rescurer to the inferior.

what about women who sacrifice their goals to function in the arena of motherhood or support their husband carreer and families?

monetary gain is not the only virtue in life

I have been looking for that comment that I didn’t keep when I saw it before. That is the story of my life.

Yes it surely is, it's like beating your head against a concrete wall. After discovering this episode I now have a helmet 🪖 lol

I just had my first argument with one. It was mind boggling how insane it was. Textbook anti-reality, gaslighting craziness

They're so ridiculous, omg They're horrible

I swear my narc mother & I argued daily. She usually wanted to start up in the car while I'm driving.

They convince the world that u r the problem and they smell like roses....

Wow. You should make a podcast about this and encourage others to laugh at narcissists. What a great idea 💡.

Yes, I wrote that down...how to deal with my son in law. I was imagining how it might play out. :) Thanks for sharing

I know just how you feel. You've done the best you could with it, just putting up that wall and keeping a distance is literally, THE only way to live your life with that going on beside you. God bless you!

This is me 😢

Why don’t you leave him

This is me too.

DR Phil, why don't we leave them?

And interpret everything u say as a challenge

The covert narc I knew attempted to dress me down so I wouldn’t out shine him in public.

Yes!! A life with a seethingly jealous partner! There can be no team in their i i i why life is like living being raked over sand paper... God forbid when you shine at anything! Complemented by anybody!! The putdowns and degrading comment assault will ensue!!

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same thing happend to me , who he was behind closed doors was a mean , Abusive , Controling man , he has 2 personalities , he would be nice to get what he wanted from someone , and had no Integrity when Noone was looking , he was absolutely insane when we were alone , his mentally state was Gone after 30 years , Everything was Always all about him and his Life , I didn't even exist at that point .

So will you do ?

If he finds other women good luck to you

Yep, the hardest part to deal with is how they portray themselves as so good to the outside, but inside the immediate circle they are so cruel and cold hearted. It makes you feel like, nobody will believe me. The mind games they play are insane.

Praise God you saw it! Most never do. I'm happy for you that you have done the work and made the change. I'm sure your loved ones are even more grateful than could be expressed ❤😊

@@natashahall2134 For sure Natasha♥️

@@natashahall2134 Hope

You might just have narcissistic traits from being raised one.

Interesting. This is exactly how dr Phil described the humble brag.

This exactly

Once I woke up to the truth, there was no looking back. I suddenly felt like I was dealing with a child .

EVERYTHING you say is familiar. The sickness of a circular argument over nothing and forgotten in hours as if nothing happened is a mental illness but with intention and full awareness I think. I don't forget that easily, it makes me physically ill... out of concern for the others feelings... no more, they don't have any. i consider myself significantly accomplished in my field in spite of my mate and never a single notice of that fact for having provided very well and generously for all these years. i have enabled her. No longer. i know how to hurt her and I will. Getting even is not enough, getting ahead is adequate.

Oh yes.

I truly feel for you.

We change for the worst.

So Well Said! Spot On True!

Sometimes it’s not that easy to just leave. Sometimes leaving ups the anty. (Consider leaving a narcissistic friend, partner, family member). That’s when they go truly insane and the abuse escalates.

@@Enoughalready20237 Very True... That's when you've got to get the authorities involved! I had to go live in a private safe house shelter for abused women with my little baby. There are MANY safe houses all across the country. Law Enforcement has a ton of resources at hand and those resources have many connections as well. It's like a big network. They can really help you to start your life over! They can keep you safe by concealing your whereabouts. Help you with restraining orders and court proceedings. There is so much help available for those who are being abused. Even free legal help and attorneys. I had a free attorney who was such a blessing to me and my daughter! No one has to stay in any abusive relationship. There is soooo much help available! I really wish more people knew this!

​@Godschildyes Brown and resources are more readily available for women, as apposed to men that end up victims of this.

Mine passed almost 2 yrs ago but I'm consumed with the ugly memories

You deserve that freedom lady. 🤼🏿

Seek the Lord…healing is available in Jesus, He loves you completely and unconditionally! You are His magnificent creation, a one of a kind masterpiece!!!

Amen ! Jesus can heal anything !

I feel like I’ve just heard from you what my life is like. It’s good to be alone now. I suffer still bc I had children and now have grandchildren. It’s like being in a circular mind game. My life was destroyed too. But we can be ok by ourselves, but Dr Phil is right… we’ve got to have someone to talk to. I’m hearing you, and you have been validated! Gods love is the only perfect love that’s all accepting, never ending and always 100% there! That’s who I rely on.

I am so sorry to hear of what U are going through. Is there any chance for you to ' get away . To heal from your cancer you need a peaceful environment .

Ong. I am so sorry to hear this… sending strength.

I agree there.

What is it ?

​@WildWonkyWizard you choosing the wrong women but are blaming all women, sounds narcissistic to me

​@WildWonkyWizard He mentions that it is a spectrum. Not 'are or are not.'

I forget to hit the thumbs up for the video- honestly. You just reminded me, thank you.

Sometimes Reacting to Nonexistent Stuff before you can Finish Your Sentence.

Yes they can be very quick with there tounge.

@@sabianstringer2112 can’t even finish my sentence and she just start agreeing, when it was nothing for her to agree to that time 😂😂 smh can’t even talk

I'm in the process of planning to divorce my Covert Narc right now. He's getting MUCH WORSE with age. He started doing drugs too. Our kids & myself have had more than enough I'm done & I'm so sorry for the pain you've been having to go through

I fully understand what your trying to recover from. I wish I could say what you want/ need me to say. Personally I don't want to spend the rest of my life in recovery, so I learn all I can to answer years of questions and turmoil. He is part of the person I am today but I am also my old self again. Stronger, smarter, tougher, and fearless. Fear is crippling, the first thing to do is get rid of fear. Best of luck to you. 🤍💪

We understand.

Trust is a choice.

He gets so crazy mad over nothing… What's next, is he gonna hit me? How do you get rid of fear?@@walinga70

My 2 older sisters are narcissists. They tag team against me. I severed ties completely because their gaslighting was relentless. Every interaction with them was malignant. After I blocked them from communicating,they savagely slandered me. I had to ignore their bait because it’s a lost cause. They are spawns of satan. 👹

The bible has a quote, "The leech has two daughters, GIVE and GIVE". That pretty much sums up a narcissist. They are exhausting to be around.

Wow how awful for you growing up with that ❤

I got a whole family of narcs 😂😅😢

Especially the Trusting trauma.

Have you listened to Dr Ramani? She had a healing from narcissism program.

Read my book coming out November 2024 “The Empty Bird Feeder-Life Without The Narcissist”

woow my grandma is toxic like your mom she say im just kidding can you not take it.

My sister is a narcissist and and my mother has enabled her for years in her now that my mother is in her nineties and has to live with her she gets treated poorly I have tried my best to solve the problem with her living conditions but my mother still insist on staying with her I have lots of boundaries with my sister. But my mother still insists that she still needs to be loved by Us All in the

Omgoodness!! We have the exact situation in our family! It's crazy to hear that this exact situation exists for someone else. It's been a living nightmare since childhood and I am now in my early 50's.. it's a such a relief to finally have a name/title to her behavior. Talk about a light bulb moment.

Leave. Only thing you can do.

I think that the people that see this have identified but it may scare them.

OMG

I'm sorry for your loss. 🌸I was so brainwashed when I lost my narc mother, I was the only 1 crying. As years past I noticed how much better I felt & how better circumstances were without her. She was gone 10 years before I learned about narcissism.

What a horrible thing to say to your own child. 😢

​ in.

​@@stephaniepiazzese2602in I'm

Not true. That narc lied his way into a manager position and got fired.

I hope you have found some peace...

Me 28 and that’s my life exactly

Save yourself, get out and go no contact.

Don t let yourself be manipulated I am sure he tells you everything wrong and your relationship is it your fault don't buy into that and if it's affecting your health and traumatize you and your children Benya sometimes we have to leave find the strength to let go and move on don't let the things he says go into your spirit and poison you and go into your mind that you begin to believe that because 20 years is a long time to be with someone like that that will actually feel like you have been brainwashed that there was something you could have done to make a difference no do what you got to do block out what he says don't even give it a second thought and go do what you got to do so that you can have peace God bless and may God give you the strength

True.. same point in life except my spouse will never let me get a divorce.

Detailed enough to bring consummated into conversation was purposely planned to further devastate you. What a MONSTER !!!

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✨🙏💫⭐🤍

I recently stopped feeling victimised and actually stopped reacting to him but just responding. I think it could actually work but I do not know how long responding to gaslighting and blameshifting could go for . Not sure it is possible to live like hat unless you just actually stop caring. Is love possible in such circymstances I wonder?

@@orianam9835 is love possible? Yes. You can love. Your partner may be incapable of love if they are a narcissist

I had the same experience with mine. It's awful !

Same here

Totally understand!!

I lost my first baby at 42 weeks. Then get pregnant ASAP & then had Jessica. I loved her so much & always told her she was awesome, the best etc. Now I'm 69 & she treats me so poorly. She has used my grandkids against me. Now I don't see them or talk to them. I just said go live your life!! I'm done.

Wow..I can relate to that

Covert narcissists are cowards. But some are entrepreneurs.

I never realized that the narc in my life was a covert. He fits in every point.

Me too. 🙏

Me too. I wish I had heard this in my 20's. I'm now 74 and waking up. Fortunately, I found the courage to leave my husband after 13 years. And I do have three beautiful children and four grandchildren. Sana, I'm sending you loving energy.

Me too

Oh yes me too

ME too! I love My Doctor. So much help to me. The Narcissist do not like him! lol

Yes I think there are other nuances here especially if they are expert manipulators

its all speculation..

I agree! The net of that word is already too vague as it is. Now that's becoming mainstreamed as a word-- too many people are using it where it shouldn't be used. On the other hand, I like how you mentioned the self-superiority they eventually display. (If they're so superior, how come they always have to wear a mask for a while? That question was rhetorical). They reveal themselves from the idealization phase to the discard phase in the way that they talk about other people. It's just not as obvious in the first stage. But as soon as that same grandiosity comes towards their target after taking off the mask finally--you can see that they were hiding the signs all along with 20/20 hindsight

Absolutely… I was a victim of exactly that. And to this day, no one knows or believes me.

Oh there is definitely this kind of narc! These I think fall more into the malignant narcissist or I think sometimes they can be two kinds of narc combined.

my heart goes out to you, Joyce. I have been in a similar relationship for too long. Thank God you got your freedom.

Yes You need help You need to see a psychiatrist Your too sensitive I’m worried about your mental health All my ex wives were crazy

​@@ThePossumone Sometimes the things you posted (aside from the "ex-wives") is true. Some people ARE to sensitive, some DO need to see a psychiatrist, people can be worried about your mental health. Occasionally the person being accused of narcissm isn't the problem

Naieve

This is Accurate, knows his stuff, Lived w Narcissist, 22 years. First baby 6 weeks old, he would not give baby a bottle, I was rolling on floor w gallbladder attack, I did it, I had to call my mom, who worked at factory, by our house, Told her I was so sick. I could not take care of baby, he clapped his hands, said I was putting on a good show, because everything he did as a narcissist, was a show, My mom came, called him home, an she told him , you are either taking her to Dr., I am, He said I can, 60 gallstones, almost died, Gallbladder almost busted. One of many episodes in my life, control, abuse, ruined my kids lives, Drunk all the time, passed out in kids bed, an could even come to our room, Took me a lifetime to figure this monster out, But I did, Listen to Dr. Phil, maybe can help your situation, early.....

You were so blessed. Did you have children?

Me, too! Your heart breaks for those who have to go through this! It is emotionally abusive. I felt relieved the day she said the unforgettable hostages she made out of my grandchildren when she told me never to expect to see them again! After years of her abuse I just said go and live your life! Haven't spoken since.

Yeah that's the thing with them. You don't know until you in close with them. Same happened to me. Had such a lovely friend, very helpful etc until we got together. He showed hisvtrue colours in about 2minths

Why? Because he was honest.

​@@lindaroselevin2191Really , is that how you see it !!! You don't think it has anything to do with ' finely revealing what type of person he is . !!

Surprise! You are classic. Lol

If you think your a narssist, you are not. Their frontal lobe is inactive and they have no emotions other than anger. They do not self reflect learn or grow. But being raised by them we learn their ways.... Time to unlearn. The bible helped me!

Are you making changes ? I want to know if it’s possible for my narc mother to change and improve. I’m 47 and damaged so badly by her. 😢

@@julz77t_homeboysame here

God Bless You. Holy Trinity is helping you. I think you're a brave person and have taken the 1st step of a worthy journey.

you couldn't be too much of a narcissist if you have enough self-reflection to see it. Kudos and God bless you for your insight.

Sad to hear. I'm the free bird in the family and tormented my whole life. Hard to get over

Get out. Whatever it takes. You’ll be so glad.

@Karen Anderson I was in a 45year marriage with narcissist .I am now 4years free I wish I had done it years ago but it is never too late.

@@anneroarty6473 What made you decide and gave you the courage to leave? I’m 41 years in and just realized a few years ago about narcissism. Thought I was crazy and never could figure out why he was so hateful to me. Everything Dr. Phil says here applies.

@@dais007 I can relate to your story. Been a couple years since I started watching a few RU-vidrs explain to me about narcassists. I had no idea that was the problem in our relationship every single day!! One month ago today, on Mother's Day, he was mad at me for sharing time with my family for 3 hours because he could never be bothered to interact with most of them. He raged at me a couple times before going and then when I came home and within 4 hours, he had raged several more times. I was watching the Elvis video and he couldn't believe that it was still on over and over again. (2 1/2 hours worthwhile movie to watch unlike his violent revenge movies he watches.) So took the video out and was going to take a hot bath and watch the rest of it on my laptop. He still raged, like how dare I watch something he wouldn't want to watch while he was out back working on his 4 wheel drive and then the lawn mower!!! He was so angry on his way out of the house, I slammed the bathroom door. He went out back and yelled/screamed like a banshee, then threw something and broke my bathroom window knowing I was merely in front of my claw foot bathtub. I called 911 and he was telling me it was nothing, tell the police not to come. He meant to hit beside the window, yada, yada. Decided I just couldn't live in his vortex anymore. You and I both deserve better. 911 dispatch heard it all. That was the only time he claimed a hint of responsibility. The police came and he tried 4 times to pull the wool over their eyes as per the 3rd police officer. After asking me a personal questionnaire they ask all domestic violence victims Officer Smith told me he was unable to tell me what to do, though he strongly encouraged me to get out of the relationship before it got even worse! All I could think was what if I had been hit by that rock?!!! It could have hit me in the head and I could have been rushed to the ER in need of medical attention. That is what propelled me and is keeping me moving forward after 39 years of marriage. I just have to leave this covert/malignant narcissist. It has been a serious blow to my health and at 57, I am just thankful that I have GOD at my side. At least HE truly cares for me. Learned the narc only cared for me as long as he was getting something from me. I have been the sole supporter of our household for 15 years and have a lot of support from what few people I have managed to somehow keep as friends and people I have worked for and with. 😲😞 I choose joy over control. Daisy, please consider the life you could be living away from their constant controlling, shift blaming, gaslighting, and insidious ways. YOU CAN DO IT TOO! I can see the sunlight at the end of this dark tunnel and I decided that I'm going to run for it!!! 🙂🙂🙂

Took me 5 years. I thought people like this only existed in movies. I was so innocent and gullible.

Brilliant ly put. The old saying , bad things happen because good people do. Nothing

I'm in the same boat. Married for 25 years to a man exactly like you described. He's also never apologized to me for anything, turns it around on me like it was My fault that I'm too sensitive. Completely avoids conflict and when you try to address something he flies off in a rage. Last night we got into it and he took it so far as to threaten to kill himself, told me he wasted 25 years with me. I really need to work on my self esteem and get strong, get my ducks in order and find another life where I can get some peace. I need to realize that there are men out there that are caring. The thought of starting over at 50 is just so terrifying. He never let me own anything including a bank account. I own my own business but he put it, the house, all the vehicles and everything else we own in his name. Will not even let me have the password to look at my bank account. I just have to to give him all the money and leave it at that. Truth is I've tried to set boundries and he's so controlling and has all the power so it doesn't work. I am wondering how you are doing Danette? How are you handling this? We can't fix them, we know this.

1. you would not question or feel guilty about your deficiency if you were a narc. 2. Being late because of time blindness is quite different than thinking their world is more important than everyone else's. 3. You probably don't have extremes of the other criteria that would be needed to be classified this way. 4. NPD is diagnosed when their behaviour and traits cause themselves personal distress...if their narcissistic personality works for them, they'll never have NPD diagnosis. 5. We all have an ego...we all have a moment where your going to have a trait that lands somewhere on the spectrum. Is it one that is extreme and consistent? Probably not...ADHD is not a dysfunction of personality. It is processing issues. :-) Medication can help...meds don't help how someone's personality functions.

Being late is just one symptom of narcissism. To be a narcissist you have to meet all the criteria. You have awareness and anonymously saying this in a comment section, you arent a narcissist!

I have a question I lost my son and my sister needs to let me know what she does with her kids and grand kids when I will never have that way of life. Unfortunately she disclaims everything that happened in the past when I reached out she wasn't there for me and my young kids in a marriage when I needed help. I forgive her for that and even told her so. But to bring up about her kids and grandkids her hurts my heart because my son' is not here. I am happy for her. I guess I have to be brave about it.

Wow you wrote every single thing so well, spot on.

Wow , so well put. Your said it all.

You did it! wrote everything they do! thank you

Love bombing, lying...

Funny true

Stay strong keep your heart of gold🙏on your journey

I am so sorry

Sounds like you been surrounded by energy vampires need to look into energy transferance

I feel glad you have this much awareness. But your suffering has been great. Sorry for that.

Daywana Mclaurin count your days

My parents were together for years both miserable fighting for control victims

Get her to watch this then she will understand what she’s been living with also watch Narcdaily on RU-vid he posts every day and will be so good for her to watch every day she will get stronger . She needs all the help she can get . The narcissist is like a vampire sucking and darning her life . Remind her of her life before him

​@@juliemackey8907 so right . Knowledge is powerful and it helps to ' know _ understand who/what the enemy is

Exactly right. I am going through this forlast40 years. Very very miserable.

@TajK2Maple : Wow! 40 years is too much. I hope you're OK. I know it's hard to deal with a narcissist husband. They wear you out. I'm sorry you can't get rid of him sooner. It's too late now. In real life, it's hard to get rid of the narcissists, especially if he/she is a malignant narcissist. They're very dangerous. They threaten you to keep you their forever supply. Very appalling! May God guide and bless you wherever you are.🙏🙏🙏

There should be a law to stop them having kids and getting married. Ideally, they should have to live in a complex together. The world would be a much lovely er place

Wow you hit the nail on the head. I have a problem with relatives believing they're lies. This is secondary a huge problem. He ruined my relationship with my cousins and my nephew who eat up his sh*t and side with him. It's hurtful & l spent endless hours trying to prove how l was right and he was horribly wrong. Not going to waste any more time. If my cousins and nephew take his side, l am going to have to let them go. A shame.

Wow. "DesignatedBlack"-Your seem to lack empathy by your comment.

@@jilldavey9486 No lacking empathy, refuse to accept foolishness. And, I understand that not everyone is discerning.

​@@jilldavey9486 Really , the lady only has ' not a lot of space to write on a complex situation so one ' has to just get to the pt ' . U think from a paragraph you can sit back and decide and judge her !! I happen to agree with her. Maybe you need to look at yourself to see if you are a nac assist ?

It's more likely you are the narcissist, you do not use your children as 'outlets' that is intensely unhealthy. If she has accused you of something then maybe you should listen to her and actually reflect if the accusations have merit. But you probably won't do that because it's likely you that is the narcissist.

@@leeclapham123 I have reflected often. I am a listener. I'm not too much of a speaker concerning my children. I have always been open, and as a teenager, my children could tell me everything. One thing about it ALL I have LOVE in my soul, and I have taught, and showed my children PURE love. I planted a seed in their lives, and I KNOW, and I'm convinced Love is the only thing that will eventually yield a return.

Amen. My daughter is also one. 35 yrs of it. And this time. I am totally awake and am taking control even if hubby doesn't agree. It's me she torture not him. All I can do is just pray for her and STAY away. Cuz I don't deserve to be treated like dirt NO more. Ty for sharing.

​@@freenchrist2935 The Word states "Your enemy will be in your own Household". It's part of Spiritual Warfare dear. Satan will use whoever he can against you if your a Child of God. Gently remind her of the 5th Commandment Honor thy Father and Mother

​@@leeclapham123exactly what I was thinking.

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I feel your pain. I was in the Covert relationship 2010 - 2012 first, then the Malignant that I met 2015, 2017 married, 2019 separated and 2021 divorced. Seems he has all the other traits as well. It wasn't easy. He's on wife #4, right after I, #3, divorced him. The gifts, the lovable husband in public (social media), but not around my family and friends, he flirted with them while ignoring me. I am so glad to be gaining my power back with knowledge. Lisa Romano is spot on too. Thank You GOD for protecting me!!! Knowledge is POWER. I LOVE MY DOCTOR.

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I'm not a fan of Oprah at all. She is one of the horrible elite!

Well said

Surely, I dodged the bullet from one as I’m a super empath. This dude approached me in church telling me he was my knight. Tried to create a wedge between me and my only child, family and friend. He had to go. Happy riddance.He tried to get into my money. I sent him packing. No contact folks that’s the way to go.

Very true be strong

​@@crencottrell7849 yes

"They steal all opportunities of their victims and cause them to stop being an individual..." Truer words have never been written.

That story sounds familiar.

My sister was a covert narcissist bird w the broken wing act ugh ! 😩

I am sorry you have that to handle.

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Exactly that !