Philip II - 01 | From Hostage in Thebes to King of Macedonia 

To be honest, defeat also has many fathers many times.

@@innosanto χαχά σωστός

Shalom

Juda Ben hur shalom

Macedonia fro babinon to. Moscow

LOL, it even says 01 on it. I see part 02. I got a little excited there.

Oh, and two earlier ones that say what I said above. I definitely got excited. :p

Thanks!

Well it's a mixture of a lot of research and other maps I find online. They're drawn by me in Illustrator and take forever to make because of the layering of the map but I couldn't find a single definitive map of Greece in 360 BCE. The only one I could find was one in about 350 BCE but there is a big difference in borders as you will see later in the series. I'm glad you like them, you can find them on imgur if you want to use them at all.

The time they take you is worth it. Btw, check your e-mail, I have made another map in my language based on your map, I made it in photoshop and it took me more than forever even though it looks simple :P

@@ArchaiaHistoria we appreciate all the hard work mate 👏

By being extremely resourceful...and always one step away from financial ruin. Macedonia was poor even after Alexander became King. The reason Thebes was looted, erased and the Thebans were sold into slavery, was to pay the army, etc (which was in arrears at that point). Macedonia didn't have the funds to invade Persia. As in, the Macedonian treasury was beyond empty. So Alexander put his pride in his pocket and asked the land barons of Macedonia to loan him money. Alexander only had a few months before burning through that money. So he desperately needed a battle against the Persians as soon as possible. Hence why the Battle of Granicus is so desperate. I think, a Greek Mercenary captain, in the service of the Persians, even advised the Persians to just avoid the Macedonian army for a month or two until it runs out of money...and Alexander is consumed by his debts, etc. But the Persians didn't listen.🤷 Alexander managed to force a battle, solve his financial problems for a few more months...and the rest is history. Phillip probably survived in the same way. Living meal to meal... constantly on the verge of financial ruin, but always resourceful enough to evade ruin.

​@@tylerdurden3722 beautiful

Sorry mate I made this video a few years ago so I don’t have one on hand. But I did use Ian Worthington’s “Philip II of Macedon” as a major reference

Alejandro Sanchez holy shit yes

Appreciate it. I use Adobe Illustrator for the drawing and back then used Premiere Pro but switched to After Effects now.

​@@ArchaiaHistoria That's what i thought! I think that I will try to do something similar in portuguese for the Classical Period. You've inspired me.

ateuinforma Well if you get it started I’d love to see it. Maybe we could work on something together one day. Best of luck!

@@ArchaiaHistoria Would be great! I'm trying to teach the basic of Attic Greek for brazilian people (i'm brazilian) with the english method of "Reading Greek". The audio is from the method. I also did the edition with Adobe Ilustrator and After Effects. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o6lVMvItlrw.html Now i'm doing the videos by myself, in portuguese. It's working better than when the voice is not mine. I'm reading now Histories of Herodotus to learn more and make the future videos. I think I will do the same that you did with Philip history but about Persian Wars. I will love work with you some day. Your job is very nice!

I use to watch a lot of his stuff. But really it all comes from a ton of styles I’ve seen from Historia Civilis to Extra Credits to even Ye olde Horrible Histories.

vikingdemon666 shoot me an email at archaiaistoriachannel@gmail.com and I’ll help you out

Ask the Macedonians, you will get the true report.

Sorry try corinth and voting as the leader of united greece seek and obtain knowledge. When look into history you may predict the future

This video refers to the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia in northern greece

@Free Man I think you are referring to Majmundonija. The ancient state that the video is about is the ancient Hellenic state of Macedonia. Don't confuse the two.

The ancient kingdom belongs to the rest of Macedonia stolen identity

Macedonia is Greece brainwashed funny-man.

Nonsense

Appreciate it, glad it’s understandable!

I caught that too

It literally says "Plato" in Greek.

No. They try several times, but fail. Phillip would continue to dangle Amphipolis in front of the Athenians like bait😅. Phillip eventually makes a secret agreement with Athens to take the city for them in exchange for Pydna (which was garisoned by Athens). Phillip is successful in taking Amphipolis. But Phillip, who realizes this is an opportunity to alleviate his financial difficulties but, changes his mind, keeps Amphipolis and lays siege to Pydna. Which came with little stain on his honor since the deal with Athens was so discrete. In past years, Athens used Amphipolis to control Thrace for the gold and silver mines in the south (as well as timber and securing grain trade routes from the Scythian Bospherus). So it was very valuable... especially to Athens. It's also why Athens despised Phillip so much. He played them like a fiddle over and over.😅

Yeah you are right, I have seen it used as this quasi legion of homosexual fighters, which is a bit of stretch of the truth.

various ancient writers, Plato, Xenophon, Plutarch, Claudius Aelianus, Maximus of Tyre describe this relationship of mentor and student that was not only applied in Thebes but in other states too, making it clear that this eros(love) was not carnal or unethical. This misconception of sexual relations by the modern analysts who have rediscovered the classics is due to the drift of the meaning erastes-eromenos (lover-loved) from the intellectual level to the carnal level. Perhaps a better approximation to avoid confusing the listener would be pairs of mentors and students as this would show the real meaning adjusted to the modern world.

+XplaneZ The word "Eros" (also a name of a God) was one of many uses and had several meanings totally different depending on context. This fact was always known but propagandists of any kind (either out of hatred against Greeks or out of a will to promote homosexuality agendas) jumped on the occasion to distort the facts. We do have a modern equivalent in English language, it is the word "partner". A partner can be a business associate, a workplace colleague, a military/police assistant but it can also be a heterosexual or a homosexual lover. The latter usage of course is only a minority of the overall usage of the word. Imagine now that in 2500 AD the English language evolves with the word partner then being used mostly or only in the sexual relationships case. So by 3000 AD our descendants will be hotly debating whether in 2000 AD USA, Britain, Canada and Australia lawyer offices, police forces and businesses were largely made up by homosexual couples!!!

But they did have gay sex in Symposiums and homosexuality was a common thing back then

@Fashy Goy I've noticed the people who claim sodomy was common in Greece never actually cite a primary source. They just repeat what is pushed in modern academia and hollywood.

@David Donald Dennison ah yes i even found out what the place and war but idk it wouldve been so cool if it had a well known story or some kind of myth was build around it , nontheless thank you !!

he lost it playing cards causing him constant nausia and helped Philliip invent a remedy today known as Phillips milk of Macedonia.

@@aracelyemmett3493 as a macedonian i can confirm this is 100% accurate

@David Donald Dennison only two tablespoons once a day

maybe he never really looked for it

Georgios Doumas what does that phrase mean?

Kanye Kubrick Ancient history in Greek.

and collapse after few years XD

GreenFox X3 without alexander . If he had of lived and consolidated his rule , his son alexander the 4th would have succeeded him

It’s somewhere in between

Mph Music Essentially they were a nomadic people from Illyria, modern Serbia but quite importantly not Serbian or Slavic. Their history is largely unknown until Bardylis as they never recorded anything themselves and we only know of him because of his relationship with the Macedonians and Epirots.

hmmm , you dont know a shi t , you say Nomadic people,lol? Maybe for you but for me not bcs they are my ancestors ;) Btw.Its not "Bardilys"! but king Bardhilly = Whitestar (in modern Albanian) translate.google.com/#auto/sq/Whitestar

@@mphmusic5829 lmao

;)

They are an illyrian kingdom, they destroyed Mecedonian, defeated spartans and epirus . Conquered big territories. They were madde by 5 tribes Dardanians the biggest, thunagi, dunai, thunaians and poenians

“50 noble sons as hostages” haha

Ha ha ha ha burleski od nepismeni budali

Mainly Ian Worthington's book "Philip II of Macedon" and "By the Spear". Also some anecdotal evidence from other sources like Plutarch, Justin and Diodorus.

1. Could you specify the anecdotal evidence from other sources that you mentioned? Any links or chapters etc? 2. The historians you sourced seem to have lived few hundreds of years after the formation of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia. 3. Could you give me the source of Philip's II lineage? 4. Could you, please, source the phrase about Philip 'pick policies against each other to devastating effect in his favour' (6:33 of the video)? Thank you.

Ah ok, sure. 1. I couldn't really link you to anything specific aside from the sources in their entirety (you can find those online pretty easily for free) since the information is, well, anecdotal from me reading through parts of them and knowing the knowledge. I guess one example is that the knowledge on Epaminondas and Pelopidas is gathered from Plutarch's Pelopidas and details of Epaminondas' campaigns in Xenophon's Hellenika. Other parts of information are from modern sources analysing ancient sources so I couldn't source that directly (I'm not a professional historian). 2. Well the issue with Philip II is that he lives in this darkspot of information. Most historians were more focused on the end of the Peloponnesian War or Alexander III. So our contemporary information is rather limited. One near-contemporary source is Xenophon but he ended his histories at 360 BCE, just before Philip rose to power. But our main sources are sadly from the Roman Republic/Empire period (Justin, Diodorus, Plutarch, Strabo, etc.) and often its a prologue to talk about Alexander or the Diadochi period. Hence the best sources (as always) are the modern sources that grab and make sense of these loose and varied sources. 3. Well the Argaed dynasty was a well known and prestigious dynasty so their lineage was pretty well known (and linked to Sparta so added street cred). However if you were interested in their mother's lineage that is referred to in Strabo's histories as far as I know. 4. Not sure what you mean... This isn't a quote of any source, just something I wrote in the script. But if you're interested in examples then they could be seen in how he supports and divides the major factions of Thessaly against each other, how he managed to enhance the wedge between the Chalcidian league and Athens so that he could ally the former in the War for Amphipolis (Episode 5), and how he tries to pit Thebes and Athens against each other in the Sacred wars (III and IV). His general diplomatic abilities exceeded that of his military prowess in many ways. He was proud of his powers of deceit and cunning, able to sometimes capture a city without any bloodshed. It was said that he was more proud of his diplomatic ability as in military victory every soldier gets the glory but in deceit the glory is his alone.

To make the long story short(er): 1. I asked for specific books/chapters that supported this video and what information was used for each part of the video. Knowing the knowledge does not restrict you from knowing the exact source. I assume a professional historian would do that. 2. I completely disagree. Modern sources should be used up to the level that they do not include subjective interpretation of the scientific ancient history sources, since most of our knowledge comes from them. We are not here to re-write history. For a 'darkspot of information' as you mentioned, the video is too detailed. Herodotus, who lived during the time of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedonia has described the origin of Philip's ancestors in 'The histories'. 3. Talking about Strabos, he said 'And Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece' , but this is also not very obvious from the video. 4. A false impression is given that Philip II conquered Greece, although in the 'League of Corinth' they made decisions together with the rest of Greeks (apart from Sparta). Indeed, all Greek regions were fighting each other, including Sparta against Athens, Athens against Thebes, Corinth, Macedonians etc. This does not make them non-Greeks. You talked about the political system of Athens etc, but avoided to mention that the Macedonian language was initially the Ancient Greek (Doric) dialect, which then turned to Attic Greek dialect and later Koine Greek. Nothing about the Greek Olympic games, the religion, the currency, the archaeological evidence and so many other things that would make things clearer to the watchers. Something that a professional historian would have probably done.

Ok let me preface this with the fact that I am not a professional historian, nor do I claim to be. 1. If you really want to know the main source for more or less this entire series then check out Ian Worthington's "Philip II of Macedon". I don't rely on ancient sources themselves since their is this gap in available contemporary sources on Philip II and near-contemporary sources don't cover him solely but rather as an extension of another person (i.e: Epaminondas, Demosthenes, Alexander, Diadochi, etc.). Hence why modern sources are best for covering Philip II (and admittedly Ian Worthington is the best in his field AFAIK). 2. Of course sources with overt biases should be disregarded but you would be naive to believe that ancient sources weren't just as bad. A lot of ancient sources prefered to tell a pleasing tale (Justin/Appian) or moralise figures (Plutarch) than tell objective truth even if it was undesired or unpleasing to the main audience (Thucydides and somewhat Xenophon). You do mention how detailed the video is, but truly it isn't so detailed if you were a professional historian looking for extensive detail on Philip II's reign. The detail I do have is provided largely from Ian Worthington's books that gather all these loose details and fits them into a historical narrative with conjecture about historian consensuses and commentary. Hence why modern historical sources are so highly valued over straight contemporary sources. Each have pros and cons. 3. I don't know what that quote quiet has to do with my point but if you want the exact line then its Strabo 326c. 4. I don't know what point you're trying to make but your information is wrong. Philip conquered Greece in the way that he defeated both major powers of Greece (Thebes and Athens) then subjugated all the other city states in a puppet league that only he had absolute power in (subverting local government aka autonomy). Although he didn't physically siege down every city a la Alexander with Persia he knocked out all other competition forever. I am not so well versed with the languages used by ancient Macedonia under Philip II but I am pretty sure that Doric was used under his administration and that of Alexander but it is possible that from the diadochi through to the epigoni periods they switched to Attic and Koine Greek. Your other points seem to refer to my controversial Episode 2 on the series. I don't exactly understand what argument you think those evidences "would make clearer to the watchers", if you could elaborate. And finally, don't end arguments with snarky remarks.

Pretty much yes.

ancient Macedonians were racially Greek, that is they were Hellenes. Just like Austrians are racially German.

@@Zingam Start to read and you will see. What you are saying is propaganda. If you love Macedon as I assume you will accept the truth. Speaking Doric Greek-like Spartans. They spread the Hellenic culture. Every greek state fight with another greek state. Learn history. I am a historian from Cyprus. When you will open your universities knowledge will flourish and you will learn

@MMA Absolutely! The evidence is overwhelming and everywhere!

PingPongPokemon you are Pokémon !! Hahahaha

AdamSpice dont ask a greek or macadonian they'll both claim it

@@killerjob12 its a provence of greece

killerjob What you said makes no sense its like asking a Greek 2 times

@@killerjob12 Dont ask an american and a new yorker where new york is they will both claim it!

👀 I'll let you know where after my trip to see 👀 ya ugly old cheese lol.

I wish they were easier to pronounce! Don't worry you'll start to remember the key players soon enough in the series.

The best kind

MAKEDONIJA EXIST 25 CENTURIES from FILIP KING ON MAKEDONIJA. Oto german make Greece before 190 years.

I know because I can read. good video though.

Yeah only Greeks know that.

Many of those city states were kingdoms too like Sparta genius.

Greek was not united was divided by many city states for example Macedon until Philip did it overcome to other city states and unite Greeks against the Persian empire

Naide Tutureski. Understand that we are all Hellenes. (except you Bulgars)

Sparta was a Kingdom too. Your arguments are basically useless and baseless.

Maria double monarchy

Buba Dze ! We say to babyes in Makedonia . In which buba is dark were we are afraid of bugs, and Dze when it is light ( Sun of a day ) !

@@voskreglavincevska3651 absolutely no other nations do that 👌👌💯☀️☀️☀️🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰

🎪🇲🇰🎪🎪🎪pure clown you mean🤡

Guys I really don't understand what you are trying to say here!

SANSKRIT najstar rakopis in WORLD. SANSKRIT veli M A K E D O N I J A ----- MAJKA ZEMJA .

🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪

**Krste Misirkov, Slav philologist, among the founders of the "Macedonian" nation (and celebrated as such): "We are more Bulgarian than those in Bulgaria. We speak a Bulgarian language. And, anyway, what sort of new 'Macedonian' nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been Bulgarians?" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-upSDs_VeuLw.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_2mG8yYv_yc.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-snWTypEcEB4.html

ORIGINAL NAME = VARDARSKA BANOVINA 🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰 MONKEYDONIA 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 TITOSTAN 🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰🦧🇲🇰 MC DONIA 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 🦧 🇲🇰 MAKEDONIA = ONLY HELLENIC 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷

Banana 🍌 country trying to steal and not create. Such a shame and humiliating for the entire population. I bet that you have educated people on your country, don't insult them saying stupid things. Civilisations grew when they created for themselves not through stealing from others!

Ubavo Im kaza na ciganitepo nezdrava nacija nema

What are you trying to say??? That Greece 🇬🇷 didn't exist before the 1800s ?? Go to a proper school and not to a Skopjan propaganda school it will help you not to say BS!

Only today's 'macedonia' is a fake nation of Bulgarians.

I am a Slavic speaker. But my genetics ties me to the Macedonian land. How does language prevent one from inheriting their ancestors DNA? I have done DNA tests and have nothing to do with Russians or Ukrainians.

@@TrooperDan_262 SLAVS arrived in Balkans 900 years after Alexander the Great died, how can be related to him?

@@aetoforos8645 I can’t explain genetics and ancestry to dumb folk. But by your accounts did Macedonians vanish? Because Slavs invaded all the way up to the Peloponnese region. Effectively covering all of Greece. Which makes many Greeks today inheritors of the dna from those invading Sclaveni. Genetically people from Greece and Republic of Macedonia are extremely close today as a result. Please watch my genetic results on my channel. The way you view history based on language alone is childish.

@@aetoforos8645 I am Macedonian, couldn’t care less when Slavs arrived to the area. The Slavs settled all the way up to the Peloponnese. So by your logic you are Slavic?

@@TrooperDan_262 Just because you say it and you want it, does NOT mean that you are. In fact, you have NOTHING in common with ancient Macedonians and Alexander the Great in terms of language, culture, literature, name etymology etc. You're just a SLAV

You hate being BULGARIAN. The end.

Then you love a fake country the end

Lol these fake macos, I’m White but I believe I’m black, cause that’s why I was told. Doesn’t make any bloody sense right?

North of Macedonia 🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰

This video has nothing to do with the country you call R. Macedonia. Perhaps that area called Peonia…

Maco King Alexander III of Macedon (20/21 July 356 BC - 10/11 June 323 BC), commonly known as Alexander the Great (Ancient Greek: Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας, translit. Aléxandros ho Mégas, Koine Greek: [a.lék.san.dros ho mé.gas]), was a king (basileus) of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon[a] and a member of the Argead dynasty.

You are bulgarians and have nothing to with greeks and greek history

You never had any history and only a fake country.

The clue is in your surname VARDAR

Hristo Hristov However the region of Northern Macedonia as defined by some today was not exactly called northern Macedonia at the time. Indeed, it was referred to as Paeonia, a word derived from Greek, not Thracian. The Paeonians were recorded on the outskirts of the empire, bordering the Illyrians at the time of Phillip.

No they were Japanese Ninjas, this is why you have the Japanese flag 😅😅

IN MAKEDONIJA EVERYTHING IS MACEDONIAN ! ! !

@Nicko Lps Hello Turk brother, or Vlach, or Pontian, Egyptian, north African, minor Asian , Albanian Arvanite .......guy buddy you are . I didn't say MACEDONIAN cause that's me Triumphant MACEDONIAN ☀️🇲🇰☀️💯💯💯

@Nicko Lps even if the Macedonians weren't greek they still have even smaller chances to be slavs 🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪you i mean

That fact that you are the only country in world who is saying this BS doesn't make you think twice of what you are saying at all??

@@MacedonianGrace SE" NAJUBAVO ! ! ! Tatjana

Έλσα ρε βλ κακό τισ ΑλβανίαΣ ρέστα εσύ που κσερεισ

Yes🇬🇷

Ha ha ha ha ha

slavs dont show up in the record until the 600s ad.

@@cal2127 burleski

🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🇲🇰🇲🇰you don't even speak their language clown

You are not Macedonian, you are West Bulgarian.

@@georgios3113 let's fight ancient style MACEDONIAN Vs grekoafrikans grecoegypitian grekoturk grekoma grekosyria whatever Yeah. Fascist! You were Powerful to unarmed MACEDONIANS and their unprotected families. We fought to protect our identity and will do it again . Long live MACEDONIA UNITED Pirin Vardar Aegean Macedonia ☀️☀️☀️🇲🇰🇲🇰☀️. You go to sleep with bulgartatars they are fascist as u r.

@@MacedonianGrace you’ce never shed a drop of blood for your liberty. That’s why you are so arrogant and proud. You were gifted your independence by the Americans. But that will be your leathal fallacy. As when the Americans won’t need you any more they’ll let your country collapse and be part of a Greater Albania and a Greater Bulgaria. And all this joke with you thinking you are Macedonians will be over.

@@georgios3113 hahah you effin Nazi you effin liars, you can't stand Superior Glorious Triumphant Powerful Golden MACEDONIAN people who were bombed with napalm, American and the West helped you big time executing this evil secret operation. You Muppets you fake everything. Macedonia and MACEDONIANS fought alongside you all the way to Athens you didn't even say a public thanks. Your communist party however did something minor last year kudos there. Macedonia suffer just because you and bulgartatars, cause you are all inferior, jealous, hot tempered intolerant. MACEDONIAN people and MACEDONIANS will prevail the oppressive politics you do is nothing new to us.yeah ??!! Pontian Egyptian Vlach Arvanite Albanian Mongol Minor Asian Armenian whatnot Madjir Hycsos and Danoi tribal ancestry below Egypt . Fof u small person. Come n see me in Solun MAKEDONIA!

What does Aiges mean in the language that you claim to speak? What does Vasilefs mean in the same language? And finaly what does Philip mean in your language? Please enlighten me if any of those words mean something to you i am curious to know.

@@MrSkoooby It is all Indoeuropean expresions . And we have them too . 60% of greek words are Macedonian too. But greeks are using them in a very funny way thinking that are unique , not indoeuropean words by origins . We are fightind for the shadow of the devil ! That's what we are doing . It is clear that all these maps of G r e e c e are made recently . It was only Helenic culture, you made it Greek nationality all over Mediterranean !

@@voskreglavincevska3651 1. This is a very small sample of words that I mentioned there are thousands more. 2 Tell me other languages that are using them. 3 Tell me how people in the country of Northern Macedonia use them. I am really looking forward to your answer.

@@MrSkoooby I am ekonomist for foreign trade . Never was paying atention to ordenery speaking or storytellers for children on english , but only business English. With internet possibilities I become very surprised how we are all connected with a words all round Europe and it is not Greek conectiing but comprehensive out of it . All words are not comming from Greek en rute only , but are comming from pure Slavic influence from Asian rute of Indoeuropean origin ! The fact is very obvious because 1/3 of europeans are out of Greek wordings who are alone and strange ( you are using then only for you the greeks guptian ) . Here are some words that I found recently ( just few , because will be fair enaf ) , that old people are still using round Ohrid lake area and England Yorkshire , and in Slovakia ,Bratislava inhabitant too , were I am traveling often ! That is why you failed with Prespa negotiation and we are eternally macedonians and all Makedonia will be one in EU because we have strong tradition, very european. We didn't came from somewhere ! We are European but half of Helas you are amalgam of Afro Arabian entity grabing European land by pirating ! ***** *Bost = bozdisa *gnaving = gnjavi *complish=kompletira *sewing=shienje *step = stapalo , stapalka *shlap =shlapna *benefitial=bendisa *duped =dupna *redemption = demnee You may find conection to your and turkish words here , and see how diferent and "Greek" we are ! All it is Hindu origin ! Regards ! So, see you nex time with a huge old words circling round as Hindu origins not Greek. English filologist knew it very well , who we the macedonians are !

@@voskreglavincevska3651 I never argued that Slavic and Turkish words have influenced modern European languages Greek included. I said that the ancient Macedonians of the Alexanders era and before him where speaking essentially ancient Greek and that we the modern Greek speakers can understand most of it. Hence we are more likely directly related to them than you who couldn't write until 1200s. All these words you mentioned don't exist in ancient Greek or in other words the language that the Ancient Macedonians used to speak. So I don't know what you want to prove. If this brings you some relief modern Greek have been influenced by Slavic words and Turkish as well. However the root remains the ancient Greek hence we can read the ancient texts like the ones Alexander the great sent from Asia and so on. If you imply that ancient Greek was developed from a prexisting language I can't disagree with you. Everything starts from somewhere. Greek most likely developed from many Indo-European dialects the local tribes where using. Although if you claim that thought them you are related to Alexander the great and the kingdom of ancient Macedonia throught them then you can claim that you are related to the whole world. We are all relatives after all. Everyone in europe would be able to claim being of Ancient macedonian ancestry. Modern day people from Northern Macedonia go one step further, not only do they claim that they are related to Ancient Macedonia despite not having the common language, they also claim that only them are Macedonians and that Ancient Macedonians weren't Greeks. It's quite funny.

Do you know that macedonian are the same mentality today . Not lazy but very fond of a name host . They like very much to be at home and celebrate many pagan holydays surounded by visitors and of course drinking vine ! Bankrupted like Bank of Greece !

@@alexsg870 ancient kingdom called MAKEDON was Greek like we are today Bulgarian with the name of a country North Republic of MAKEDONIA for Helasians ! Bulgarians "have" so many documentation but it was Slav enlightening all over not Bulgarian ! Young bulgarians are seeing letters in old churches in Macedonia especialy in Ohrid , and say look these are Bulgarian letters , but we know wery well that there are Slav cannonical books , still preserved and in use ! Like all Quran books in muslim countries are with Arabic letters . After WW2 , every country were having their codification of own languages and that is an order today with official own languages that every oficial country is having ! And please , why so many explanations when nobody is arguing that kingdom Makedon was in Helenic Era like we are today in Slavic Era and unified Era of European is comming soon ! UK have stepped out from EU but that is Economical Union because English is deap inside our venes so long as European and we cannot chane it ! Noone from a huge countries in Europe ( Eastern Central and South Slav countrieas ) are Bulgarian ones ! From Karavanki to Olimpus all places are with Slav Thopomimus because Slavs "came with bamboo straws in empty Balcan spaces" ha ha ha ha ha ! All macedonians were eaten by lieons than , and Slavs started their clean Slavic destiny , ha ha ha ha ha Like today we have all aroung many English names and inscriptions , almost we call ourselves people in English Era with Inter Net ! Finaly the Official languages in country Makedonia are Macedonian Albanian and English ! If someone's language ( English ) have achievement to be called international we cannot do anything , like it was Pagan Helenism once upon a time but Greek language is in the bottom ranged today !

@@alexsg870 bla bla bla bla. If ancient Macedonians were so Greek then modern Macedonians would identify themselves as greeks. But reality tells us otherwise. They don't and never have and never will. So you can show ancient quotes and ignore actual history in order to justify your annexation of Macedonia but reality is simple. Macedonia is for the Macedonians

@@AS_888_ Demosthenes was a politician and he himself was half Scynthian 😂 yeah good try slav 🎪🇲🇰🎪🇲🇰🎪😚

@@AS_888_ you just can't read what he said simce you know you won't be able to argue 😅

Hahahahahahaha

And here is a communist BULGARIAN fallacy ;-)

Now I read it all...It's all a Greek conspiracy

My friend history in Greeks is written in texts from 1800 BC . We don’t need Germans to write Greek history . This is the problem with uneducated countries . They said to the Slavs they are Macedonians and you believe . On the other hand educated countries build libraries where we keep all the history texts inside is free to read from everybody therefore I read and learn . If my country is fault then read all the texts written by historians . It’s easy . Herodotus for example.

Have you ever read a book in your life? or are you stupid like Trump, i here you guys love trump because he makes up shit every day, he has been caught lying over 3,000 times in the last 14 months. The monuments you ass holes have build are starting to fall apart, taken down, airport name will be change soon or it's already change? The end is coming . We know why you are making believe you are Macedonian because the Albanians and Bulgarians will swallow your little country up so you need to make a phony nationality to unify against the Albanians and Bulgarians.

baits First of all its Greece, not grease. And Greece gained its independence in 1830, not 1930, and wasnt king Otto who did it, but the Greek Revolution itself. Also, ancient greeks, didnt call themselves as "Greece". They were many Greek city-states that Philip II united into one empire which is a Greek empire actually. If its called Macedonian thats still the same. Its like saying " Spartans are not Greeks because they were called Spartans".. Macedonians also participated in the Olympic games, where only Greeks could do that. Also, what Alexander said himself when he sent spoils of war in Athens: “Alexander, son of Phillip and the Greeks, the Lacedaemonians (Spartans) excepted, these spoils from the barbarians who dwell in Asia.”

get it through your heads we macedonians never were and never want to be greeks a name the english gave you . now get your own name before stealing ours . macedonians from macedonia are macedonians .

baits When exactly did I say that you want to be Greeks? Im just saying that Alexander is Greek.

never a king of greece called alexander . the word greece didn't exist when alexander was alive , good try , but stealing macedonian history as your own is taking it a little to far . 338 bc macedonian army smashed through to athens killing thousands and enslaving the rest . the word knows the macedonian army at the time .no such thing as greek then . ask the hunza of pakistan who say they have macedonian blood and some have blue eyes and look like fair macedonians not modern greeks, see for yourself on youtube .

baits Lol let me explain. The translation of the word "Greek" in the Greek language is "Έλληνας" (Hellenas) and thats the word that Alexander used in his speech. Of course if you translate the word Ελληνας in English, its "Greek". And Alexander didnt conquer greece ( Ελλάς-Hellas). He conquered the city-states. If you know , almost all the greek city states were fighting each other for hundreds of years, especially Athens against Sparta. So again, your point is invalid. Alexander the Great was not your ancestor. Get that out of your stupid heads. You are Slavs.

grci ukrali Egejska Makedonija. dogovor 1913 : Grcija na MAKEDONIJA vrak'a Egejska Makedonija .

Write in English first and cut the crap and your propaganda secondly