Phoebe & Joey: More Than Just Friends 

Please talk about Joey and Rachels relationship in more detail! It is often considered a mistake by the showwriters, but it did seem to be a better relationship than Ross and Rachel... They brought out new parts of eachother!

@@TheFluffyLittleFairy that show was so awful!!!

@ well I mean, I don't find any of the shows you mentioned to be that funny myself 😅 So most things aren't everyone's cup of tea, even if objectively good! Aaand well, I'll admit Friends aged poorly, but it's still a classic and I still enjoy The Take takes on it!

Can you please do a history of monster movies since halloween is coming up.

I really hope you guys do a video on Midsommar. I love that movie and I would love your thoughts on it.

Phoebe is the one that learnt that in the hard way during her growing up

💜 Yep.

dats how u vi.gi.na.block somone ..

Totally, there's a reason that the show was called "Friends", as it understood that while romance may be fleeting, a true friend will always be there for you. 💖

It can be totally applied to Stepmom/son or Stepbro/sis relationship..........in many,many ways

Delia Arellano he also proposed to her to take care of her baby when he thought she was pregnant!

Don't forget when Joey gave Phoebe her perfect kiss to fulfil her goals before reaching 30!💗

Also he ate meat in London tho

*Joey:* "Oh! What about ones that die of natural causes??" *Phoebe:* "Not if I get to it first.."

Me too. Joey's the best member of the group. I love how mom like Monica is. Whenever someone is upset or has a problem, they usually go to Monica for comfort or advice.

I second that emotion! It can be SO annoying that when you're simply friends with a member of the opposite sex, and the whole world and their mother misinterpret it, and automatically assume that you're dating. 😣

Platonic love feels so underrated. It can save us from a world of trouble as well without the extra complications.

They are just so pure. I feel like they are just two children every time they hang out with each other.

I think you mean platonic lobsters

Joey and Chandler is muuch stronger. It just seems like a more impactful friendship because they’re different genders.

Yes exactly! They did the same thing with pregnancies 1) Surrogacy (pheobe) 2) Adoption (monica and chandler) 3) co parenting (ross and rachel)

@@mariamuzaffar3589 also with ben

@@mariamuzaffar3589 heyy add Joey and chandler in for adoption ( Baby Yasmine & 🦆 )

"Toxic" for R&R would ONLY be true imo ONLY if they didn't ultimately become endgame cuz as far as I'm aware "will they won't they" couples seem to ALWAYS become endgame if/when it's the main Romance but yeah ik people are OBSESSED with antagonizing R&R and I could give a DAMN about why they do that

@@monabohamad2242 Ross and Rachel's relationship was toxic for the vast majority of the 10 seasons. It had its fair share of jealous, miscommunication, and drama. They learned not to be toxic in the end (maybe), but before it was very much toxic.

Interestingly enough, Lisa Kudrow and Matt LeBlanc wanted to add in a joke implying that Phoebe and Joey had been secretly hooking up in a "Friends with Benefits" style. While this idea was eventually rejected, the actors engaged in flirtatious banter during their scenes to indicate that it was happening.

Trina Q Yes but unless you looked into it you may or may not have picked up on that implication and even though the actors wanted Phoebe and Joey to have a ”friends with benefits” relationship the creators didn't. Still, it's a neat bit of trivia and I like the idea of Joey and Phoebe getting together.

i definitely believe that joey and phoebe had a friends with benefits situation.

@@trinaq I'm kind of glad they rejected that and made the flirting subtle so the audience could decide. Not everything has to be revealed. Would kill the mystery.

Mackenzie Fleetwood yuppp

This is only possible if you already have a lover or have friendzoned them for a long time.

@Rach yes but the Greeks were also very promiscuous, so I don't think they're a good example here

I think of Benson and Stabler from Law and Order SVU

Maria Puertas yupp

That's a weird thought.

Hence Hugsy!

this is the best thing I read online today.

Shannon T OH MY GOD THIS COMMENT IS SO PRECIOUS❤️🤭😍

Or her whooping crane. Or her barn owl.

Shannon T lmao

I love their friendship too! They understand each other without words sometimes and the way Hermione stuck with him in the Deathly Hallows shows that she valued her friendship with Harry very much. I don't greatly like or dislike Hermione and Ron's pairing but I love Harry and Hermione's friendship.

@@mansishukla6779 Agreed. Although I personally think Ron and Hermione is the best romantic pairing in the series. But I absolutely agree that Harry and Hermione have a great friendship (even if the film-makers did try and push Hermione into Ron's role of Harry's emotional support). Like many siblings, Harry and Hermione support each other, but often misunderstand the others emotional needs (which is why I don't understand why people think they'd make a good romantic pairing).

Their friendship is great yes, but even as a kid it was obvious they should have ended up together. Even JK has admitted as she wrote she saw it develop but forced Ron and Hermione together due to wish fulfillment.

@@IceQueen975 Oh yeah; like those times they... found each others company boring and uninteresting, that time Harry said although he liked Hermione very much 'she just wasn't the same as Ron', and all the times that Hermione was so scared of Harry's temper that she basically shut down. Their personalities make them romantically incompatible (as they are both very intense people who often find it difficult getting out of their own heads), and Harry even refers to Hermione as his sister. Oh, and Rowling didn't say she forced it; she said that it was 'wish fulfillment' because Hermione was based on her younger self and Ron was based on her childhood best friend. It's 'wish fulfillment' because someone as intense as Hermione ended up with a kind, funny, sweet person like Ron who finds her know-it-all nature attractive rather than frustrating (as Harry does). We've got seven books worth of Ron and Hermione falling in love; little too late for "should haves".

This part made me so happy

Agreed. Admittedly I shipped Rachel and Ross during the first one to two seasons when Ross had an unrequited crush on her, but their subsequent on and off relationship and incessant fighting was just painful to watch.

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I disagree completely but I get where you are coming from. Joey and Phoebe in a romantic relationship would make absolutely no sense to me and I really prefer their platonic relationship. At the same time I think (although the writers might have overdone it sometimes) Ross and Rachel had to overcome their toxicity and that they were the perfect fit since season 1, they just needed time to overcome their personal problems individually

Yea I did ship Rachel and Ross at first but It felt like they repeated the same thing Ross like Rachel but rachel was in a serious relationship Rachel likes Ross but gets crazy jealous when Ross is with another girl Ross and Rachel argue then get together A couple eps later they get a horrible break up and Ross gets the blame

It was literally all Rachel's fault

True, plus, Lisa and Matt pitched to the writers that Phoebe and Joey had been having a "Friends with Benefits" for years. While this concept was rejected for being too cliche, the actors added flirty moments into Phoebe and Joey's interactions to indicate that it was happening.

I think Rachel and Ross actually make a lot of sense realistically. They are toxic and usually toxic relationships, unfortunately, last a long time. I’m glad they switched the romance focus to Monica and Chandler for that reason, but as much of a natural pair Phoebe and Joey are, I agree with the video that it was a smart decision to keep them platonic.

i don’t get all the ross and rachel hate. they were horrible at the beginning but they really grew by the end and it made sense for them to end up together. granted chandler and monica were waaaaay better

Actually because they were doing the epic fail spin-off “Joey.” Perfect match with Paul Rudd for Phoebe👍

Couldn’t agree more! I think Ross and Rachel are an example of a toxic relationship.

Not unrealistic but going against the name of the show "friends" it would've been about couples if they had paired the last 2 remaining

I disagree. There would still be plenty of close friends left in the group - Phoebe and Chandler, Phoebe and Ross, Joey and Monica, Joey and Chandler, Joey and Ross, Ross and Chandler, Chandler and Rachel, Rachel and Phoebe, Rachel and Monica, Monica and Ross etc etc. No need to rename the show even if Joey and Phoebe became a couple.

Me neither, if they just added a Mondler video, then all of the couples would be complete!🙌

Trina Q they really should! their analysis videos are incredible! 🦋💓💗💓

Yeah too bad the video is too much "SJW from Tumbrl" style

@Juliana Silva nope

20 years

True I also liked Rachel and Joey together

@@tysonsilvers4903 Nope.

I never cared about Ross and Rachel and even grew resentful of the way everyone seemed to want to force relevance on that coupling. I actually like David Schwimmer but I couldn't stand the character Ross.

@@tysonsilvers4903 rachel sucks she take all for granted.

i don't mean attract any hate neither direct it here but at first Rachel was entitled and self centered and Ross had an idealized version of her and in season 3 when she wanted to do more in her life and that was not what Ross had thought so he grew insecure and tried to ruin it. Even Rachel was toxic as she too tried to sabotage his relationships, but as time went on Ross let go of his idealized version of her and got to know her more as a friend and accepted her for the way she is, Rachel too became more responsible and less self centered. so for me personally i think that at first they were toxic but then they grew up and matured. sorry if this comment was too long....

KaylaNoelle1, What a thoughtful comment - people tend to mellow as they age, so there’s a good chance that this will happen IMO.

That's so sad!

Can you show them this comment? 🤔 maybe that would help.

is sounds so sad. my parents are divorced my whole life and I never knew why even they were married in the first place, they're so different as people. I would've preffered them as being friends rather than strangers

Seconded, having all of our leads be paired would have gone against the show's title and theme, and would have been a major cliche.

Why does everyone think a romantic relationship ruins a friendship?

@@downsjmmyjones101 Sometimes it does, romantic relationships don't always end well. Granted friendships don't last all the time either, but just because you are friends doesn't mean you have to be with one another.

@@bethanychatman9531 I'm not saying that friends have to get together but that romantic relationships aren't the cause of platonic relationships being destroyed. Even if someone hurts someone else by cheating or controlling them, you can still be friends. My father was pretty controlling but I'm friends with him now.

Agnieszka M exactly

Kusum Sharma Romance is very important. They have a romantic friendship, just like this video explores. It helps keep the fire alive unless two individuals do not need romance. As someone who is a romantic, i need it for a relationship. Not all the time, but an effort is important.

@@AirFire18 Very interesting, that's a perfect description for their relationship. 💜

Ross and Racheal were an example of wish fufillment. The geeky guy getting the cheerleader girl. They just took that trope and placed it out of the context of adolescents.

I always found the Rachel and Ross pairing strange to be honest. They literally have no chemistry and don’t get along any better than any of the other Friends, when they aren’t a couple or sleeping together they hardly interact at all. I don’t understand what it is that Ross “loved” so much about her, other than her being the hot popular out of his league girl at high school. Even when he is with Julie and explains to Rachel why she shouldn’t be with Julio, he claims she deserves someone who can see how “adorable” and “sexy” she is. Damnn I would have hoped the guy who was supposed to be in love with me all of these years could think of some more awe inspiring words than adorable and sexy....and I 100% agree that it was just high school geek fantasy. But as we grow up we’re supposed to grow out of just trying to get the hottest girl in school and pair with mates we connect with on a serious and deep level, but oh well at least lots of teenage boys can have their fantasy 🤷‍♀️ I had a similar thing happen to me at school, a guy I hardly knew was apparently “in love” with me; and let me tell you it was not romantic or flattering. It was creepy and objectifying. What could he have possibly been in love with or attracted to about me when we never spoke and he didn’t really know anything about me? Usually when you grow up you realise it’s just infatuation or a fantasy of one person but no Friends played it out like it was real loveeee

@@Silvercentipede I don't even understand what Rachel loved so much about Ross. I just don't get it. And then when he gets with Emily there's this big deal about "I can't see my bestest best friend Rachel ever again I'm heartbroken!!!" and I'm like... the only reason why you'd be so upset it's because you're still in love with her, I have no idea what "big friendship" you're talking about 😞🔎

They may not have been friends when the show started but we're definitely friends towards the end.

You missed put Joey and Rachel! They became good friends, always had each others backs! They enjoyed the same movies, books, sailing, red carpets! Joey and Monica were a sweet relationship too, caregiver style. In fact Ross and Rachel : from the beginning he is jealous of any man she is out with and is unsupportive (friendship??) Then when they go out. They do nothing together but "sleep" together. No activity (we find out later they played board games or he did go out sailing with her once) After they break up.. then they form some kind of friendship... but every interaction is laced with an undercurrent of "I dont want him/her to be with someone while I am still unhappily single"

true

It depends

@JNike nah

JNike in a literal sense, yes. however there is such a thing as connotation. Did we watch the same video?

JNike I believe you’ve never been in a relationship before?

@@squawkington9369 yes YOU probably have NEVER been in a relationship before indeed

Fun story about Harry and Hermione before Ron and Hermione was an official thing fan website saw anything other than Harry x Hermione as ridiculous and discouraged fanfiction and disgusting of Ron x Hermione.

NICE TO SEE A FELLOW CULTURED PERSON

YES

sakuraayanami *best friends with benefits

Source? Do you have a link to this interview?

@@dr.little7311 here on youtube. It has been ages since I saw the interview but if you type her name, friends and Interview it's bound to show up

They flirted heavily it was great

Joey and Chandler tho

Joey and Chandler tho

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Awwe

Skinship

Mine were like that, non-sexual physical affection, and it made us all feel closer. I think in today's world, there would be stupid leftists wet-blanket snowflakes who would accuse people of inappropriate sexual behavior if they witnessed two people being platonically affectionate.

​@Devina210 No we leftist wouldn't, don't blame us for everything

Or any of the friends together.

I agree, that's why the Take is my favourite analysis channel- it gets you thinking about ideas, analogies and symbols that you never would have noticed on a first watch!🙌💗

@@trinaq Exactly! We stan good analyses that makes you think!! 👏❤️

I might have bought it more if they didn't keep talking about it.

@@GrainneMhaol blame not enough screen time.

True

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That_theater_kid_08 I know how you feel

Been there

Everyone, stand up for our brother in the friend-zone. Don't listen to this video, the guy is in love with you

Idk I married my best friend. Dont count him out.

You should date him.

yesss mondler forever :)

yes! much better than ross/rachel ugh

PLEASE I’d love that

@@simpressed5756 absolutely! When I started watching friends it was from a season when they where already married or anyway together, and they just worked so perfectly I had never questioned it (I was young and a casual watcher). Then I started it all over from the first season and I was shocked to know they were just friends at the beginning! And nobody ever implies otherwise for entire seasons. Yet they feel like Marshall and Lily, but better. And I believe Rachel and Ross are actually a good couple, they're both kinda funny and kinda awful.

@@myssangela4872 "awful" probably only in an entertain way somehow since a main couple/romance in a sitcom will probably ALWAYS be "awful" in some way

Totally, while it's nice to find "The One", sometimes it's better to focus on a platonic friendship, and not a romantic one.

@@trinaq totally In fact, when something goes wrong with your bf/gf, they are the ones whom you can cry on. Friendships like this are a real Testament that not all people in a certain type of relationships wants to attain sex or intimate feelings with someone they truly care

Okay but if you want to have a romantic relationship with someone,why should you settle down? Its not respectful to ourselves or to the other person. And that doesnt mean that you "dont apprecciate friendship". It just means you think at that person in a romantic and sexual way.

@@frankyace4371 if you have good friendship which you truly value, you will deal with your crush like a fucking grown up and it will pass. Instead of logging your feelings off on someone who you know doesn't feel the same way, and thereby making everything awkward and probably ruin the relationship. Crushes last for 3 months max. Friendships are actual love an intimacy that can last forever.

@@doggytheanarchist7876 friends to lovers are a thing buddy

And I hate that sort of complaint

Yeah not always but not never either

and yet they did joey and rachel 🤢.

@@idk-ch7hj but why tho

@@sofiaherzu3106 IKR that was weird. No chemistry

Falsehood Basher I kinda regret shipping it

@@sofiaherzu3106 so I guess “shipping it” means rooting for a relationship between two people?

Right...right

YESSSSSSSSSSSS

I agree as well.

bouncyshak Agreed! It’s so much more cultured and witty than any modern sitcom could ever hope to be.

Yeah! I love Frasier

Yes! And they even considered the possibility of them doing more but they both realized " no, we work best like this."

ikr 😭 even if they didn’t get together, their friendship is just so adorable 🥺

@Trey Davis Not really, we just found it awkward and didn’t talk to each other for quite a few months and then when we started talking again it was really weird because everyone thought we liked each other 😔

Did you talk openly to him about it when you guys reconnected? Maybe both of you can say that you see each other as brother/sister relationship so people stop insinuating to get together: "Listen, although we are not blood related, he feels like a brother to me. It is weird when you guys talk about us in a romantic way. It is weird for both of us. It is affecting our friendship."

@@tagaway6173 We kinda talked about it but we kinda just moved on we’ve both got new friends now too we still say hi to each other and talk every now and then tho

Yes

It was HARD to see

It made me cringe so hard.

No you kinda got a different side of Joey

It was cringy.

That is crazy. Isn't your heart big enough to love more than one person? Friendship or Marriage - they both need love to work. Sex is the cherry on top of the cake, and needed for marriage.

@@BigHenFor I dunno, I feel the same way, but the sexual aspect isn't very important for me. Like, I'm at least demisexual, and... If I had what Phoebe and Joey had with someone, and we weren't sleeping together, but we were always each other's most important person, that'd be fine by me! In fact I've had those kinds of romantic feelings without attraction, and it was like, yeah, let's just live together forever! Although that didn't happen; she was constantly busy, and I always kind of felt like she was more important to me than vice-versa, though she said I was her best friend... Anyway, I feel like the problem is that when you marry and have a family, you really become closer to that person. You spend most of your time with them, you share all your most important responsibilities... the same things are important to you. I mean, I know it doesn't always work like that, but ideally. I mean, look what happens in Friends: Phoebe marries Mike, so they start a life together, while Joey moves somewhere else, and... Besides that, it hurts to have the person who's most important to you have those kinds of affectionate feelings for someone else. I couldn't do it either way. I do think it depends on the person, though; I'm the type who, I can have a lot of friends, but there's usually one person I'm focused on.

Jimmy Neutron the actors didn’t want them together but wanted to be revealed that they were friends with benefit

normalgirlcvco Chandler x Joey and Monica x Phoebe more like

TEA

@@7211_ hell yeah

EV CT omggg yes I love their friendship 😁

@@beibun04 And each character is incredibly interesting on their own. And their dynamic as a duo is one of the greatest ever in tv

He is only a surrogate boyfriend for you. Once you are in a relationship your significant other will not really be happy seeing you hold hands with some random guy.

@@lilied1 loool of course we respect boundaries around significant others, we've known each other for longer than 10 years and had relationships over those years but yall sexist potatoes just here making assumptions

That's great to have. It feels rare.

@@Paulagonia let me guess, all your other friends are constantly asking why you two are not a couple or make jokes about you ending up together?

@@HAL-vm3wn nope, never

Agreed, and hang in there buddy

Agreed 100000% And I know cultivating a phoey, deep friendship kind of relationship would be best, but I don't know if I can. The feelings are maybe too strong

Did you actually talk about your feelings or are you assuming she is not interested? If she really isn't into you I'd suggest a healthy break from the friendship to get past those feelings

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