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Piano tuning and tech. tips: 1. Putting unisons in tune. Stability + setting the pins 

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If you are an aspiring piano tuner, or a pianist who can't wait until his tuner comes to put a unison in, I hope this video will be helpful.
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@unequally-tempered
@unequally-tempered 9 дней назад
It’s very good to have encouraged people like this. A good tuning can be extended so much by people touching up the third string and music is vibrations. If a pianist isn’t hearing strings in tune they’re disabled from making music. Thanks for the tip on doing uprights left handed.
@RobertsPianos
@RobertsPianos 4 дня назад
Thanks David, your insightful comments are always welcome. Marcus
@unequally-tempered
@unequally-tempered 3 дня назад
@@RobertsPianos Thanks. I was armtwisted to tune three Ballet School uprights last week and tried left-handed but didn't get on with it. :-( Right arm only for me . . .
@Freewheal
@Freewheal Год назад
Very helpful: This is how I got into tuning (but did play strings at school - where you make your own pitch) - The annoying single string that spoilt the music; Oh! and that one; and the other one over there - a total distraction when playing. - Pulling up unisons with the eBay tuning hammer (lever) was exactly how I started, and developed the 'feel' - it's never more than 1/16 of a turn - Reading books plus your videos Marcus - Now have case of piano tools + Wendle & Leung vintage lever - and a Peterson autostrobe 490-ST s t r e t c h tuner when tuning whole instrument - Takes me an age: but each string gets proper attention - The trick is setting the pin & relieving string tension so tuning doesn't slip: dropping down to pitch more reliable - I do 3-4 pianos for friends: replace the odd broken hammer shank and bass strings And do some general regulation. Always learning !
@RobertsPianos
@RobertsPianos Год назад
Thank you for your thoughtful and encouraging comment as always. Marcus
@jamiibear
@jamiibear 9 месяцев назад
Im a piano tech in-training, and i love your videos. Thanks for the help! ❤
@RobertsPianos
@RobertsPianos 4 месяца назад
Thank you for your kind and encouraging comment. Marcus
@gaugeonesteam
@gaugeonesteam 3 месяца назад
Great tip for you if you want to tune pianos without an electronic aid. The first 5ths are the most difficult. So, Get a C, G, D and A tuning fork. from A you have a 5th and a 3rd at E as a reference. (some customers think you're cheating with anything electronic. if you can do it with tuning forks they are very impressed). I started with just a C fork and setting the scale by ear.
@jamiibear
@jamiibear 3 месяца назад
@gaugeonesteam I'm terrible with tuning thirds, unfortunately, my ear always wants thirds to be perfect, and a third in equal temp always sounds unfortunate!
@gaugeonesteam
@gaugeonesteam 3 месяца назад
@@jamiibear Tune the 3rds up until just below they sound awful. and check with the major 6ths.
@jean.marion
@jean.marion 9 месяцев назад
Hi. Thank you for you video, it was very helpful. I only wanted to do the unisons in between normal tunings. I just have 1 question. Everything is in tune (good enough), but sometimes when I am playing, a note or two will sound much louder than the others. Like I am banging on it, but I'm using the same exact pressure. What could cause this, and is there a way to fix it? Thanks again...
@jamespetridis169
@jamespetridis169 3 месяца назад
I have a very stubborn A5 on my Yamaha upright that seems to go flat the moment I remove the tuning lever. It sounds like the pin is loose. It's always the first note to go out of tune. Fantastic video and very helpful.
@unequally-tempered
@unequally-tempered 3 дня назад
This may be a candidate for CA
@kptc246
@kptc246 8 месяцев назад
I tune with my own ears.🎹♫
@MadisonTen
@MadisonTen Год назад
I have a Yamaha upright and I’ve always fancied touching up the unisons when the beats start between tunings. I usually get it tuned every 6 months. Beats don’t seem to appear for at least 3 months, sometimes it starts meowing (if that makes sense) when getting close to the next tune if the weather has changed dramatically (Wales). I can’t decide whether it’s worth giving it a go.
@Freewheal
@Freewheal Год назад
We call it 'ringing' when a unison drifts
@MadisonTen
@MadisonTen Год назад
@@Freewheal Wow, never heard it called that before. At last, a proper name.
@Freewheal
@Freewheal Год назад
@@MadisonTen Well it's what we call it in our house! Juist occasionally a slight drift in pitch can yield a surprising impact on overall tone. - But I'd get a decent length tuning lever and wedges (felts / mutes) or a Paps wedge and try and 'touch in' the wandering strings Haynes Piano Manual is a good resource on how to go about it..
@RobertsPianos
@RobertsPianos Год назад
I think it's worth giving it a go; if it's just before the tuner comes then they can put right any errors. Marcus
@MadisonTen
@MadisonTen Год назад
@@RobertsPianos Thanks, Marcus.
@Cowboybebub
@Cowboybebub 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for the tips. I have a question about setting the pins though for anyone who may be able to help. When you say "downward pressure", do you mean literally straight down, or downward but following the circular path of the tuning hammer?
@jean.marion
@jean.marion 9 месяцев назад
#2
@gaugeonesteam
@gaugeonesteam 3 месяца назад
imagine a clock face. gently pull the lever in the direction of 1pm to 11pm or 2pm to 10pm. tuning is 50% ears and 50% using the tuning lever.
@unequally-tempered
@unequally-tempered 3 дня назад
This terminology is confusing. Essentially when tuning you want to pull the string just gently past being in tune and let it fall back to where it wants to be. It's a case of finding the natural position and making sure that the pin is set there which is what we're referring to.
@p1anosteve
@p1anosteve Год назад
I'm fine on unisons but would not attempt to do a complete equal temperament tune, my ear is not good enough to hear the beats. I have a wonderful tuner who has been tuning all his life now in his eighties (he tunes for the Bournmouth Symphony Orchestra) . He says electronic tuning aids are a waste of time! For him maybe, but what do you think?
@Freewheal
@Freewheal Год назад
They work for me! - Peterson Autotune 490-ST for example
@RobertsPianos
@RobertsPianos Год назад
Thanks Steve for your comment. I think you're wise just to do unisons. With regards to tuning aids, it's true that if you have a developed ear then they don't really help; they're a bit like using a calculator instead of doing mental arithmetic! However, as a guide when pitch-raising, for instance, they can help. Marcus
@Jack-hy1zq
@Jack-hy1zq 9 месяцев назад
The primary skill required to tune a piano is correct use of the tuning lever. This takes years of practice on hundreds of pianos. Hearing the beats, whilst difficult to begin with, can be achieved in approx 18 months (with tuition). Because there is a misconception that the primary skill is hearing, there are many people who buy tuning apps etc, thinking they are then on a par with professional tuners. They aren't. Skills required: 20% is the hearing skill, 80% is the lever skill. Of course tuning the odd unison is ok with an app. but that's all really. Whenever I've watched a video of a non-tuner say they've tuned their own piano with an app, they either don't show us the end result, or when they do, it's awful.
@gaugeonesteam
@gaugeonesteam 3 месяца назад
Great tip for you if you want to tune pianos without an electronic aid. The first 5ths are the most difficult. So, Get a C, G, D and A tuning fork. from A you have a 5th and a 3rd at E as a reference. (some customers think you're cheating with anything electronic. if you can do it with tuning forks they are very impressed). I started with just a C fork and setting the scale by ear. but my point is beats of 3rds are so much easier to hear that 5ths. By E, you'll also have a 6th with G.. 6ths beats are also easy to hear. as fast as possible without sounding wrong.
@unequally-tempered
@unequally-tempered 3 дня назад
I use a CTS5 tuner which is worth its weight in gold allowing me to achieve both extreme accuracy and speed which can be helpful under pressure before a concert.
@gaugeonesteam
@gaugeonesteam 3 месяца назад
For a reason I've never understood, I've found it's very often the right of the 3 strings that is flat. (I find 3rds and 6ths very useful for tuning).
@unequally-tempered
@unequally-tempered 3 дня назад
This indicates something happening on one side of the wrest plank.
@gaugeonesteam
@gaugeonesteam 3 дня назад
@@unequally-tempered Not sure about that? I've tuned 100s of older pianos over many years and it's very often the right hand string which is out and the other two are still in tune from the previous tuning! (especially between C4 and C7) .
@cl9826
@cl9826 7 месяцев назад
I've never heard of a Knight piano in my entire life
@gaugeonesteam
@gaugeonesteam 3 месяца назад
English brand. - very good and very popular with piano teachers here in the UK.
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