Gta online in a nutshell. I actually prefer the ps3 and Xbox 360 online nowadays. At least you get to play the damn game without waiting a millenial and have a decent amount of fun if playing with friends.
Yup, me too. It added a lot of flavor to what would otherwise be boring driving sequences. It also allowed for a way to flesh out characters without having drawn out cut scenes. Also "violent criminals being sociable" isn't only extremely common in all forms of crime fiction, but is actually how many gangs and groups of criminals operate irl. You tend to form bonds with those you take risks with, it's just human nature.
@@gannielukks1811 they would've been around 30 in the early 2000s, when the word started to become popular so its not so unlikely for them to know about it and it's connotation
Merlin Merlout eh kind of. When the talking head (forgot his name) is telling a story, he stops in the middle of it if you get out of the boat. You have to just sit there in your boat and wait if you want to hear the whole story.
JCglitchmaster the games time using horse I used a lot to just take in the game and I regularly used cinematic cam so I still travelled but just watching it or on my phone
I disagree on the car dialogue point. That's something I've always really appreciated about the Rockstar games. Driving isn't just dead air-you're getting more engagement as you travel. And real people do talk when they're in the car together, so from the point of realism it adds a lot. You can make the argument that hardened killers wouldn't have such a carefree conversation, but these games always have walked the line between contemplative and absurd. I don't know. Not everyone will like it, but I do. I feel like it adds more humanity to these characters, so we sympathize with their stories more.
And the game focus more on the criminal activities, family and other side missions, its not the game fault that you dont like it. Go and play something else.
I don't think he meant that there shouldn't be driving dialogues. It's just the timing and topics that make it very weird. The characters get inside the car and immediately start a story, then the story ends and they don't talk until you arrive at your destination. I understand how difficult it is, but Rockstar should aim to achieve conversations that are a little more realistic in terms of time spent in silence, time spent telling anecdotes and time spent just chatting about, because that's how real car conversations go. I think they'll manage it in their next titles.
Personally I think it makes it feel like they’re even more psychotic. They can go rob banks and mow down mobs of people without blinking and then get in a car and talk about hipsters and joke around immediately after? Fucking psychos yo. Granted Rockstar games always have a certain level of comedic absurdity so it never really bothered me in the way dunkey is talking about it.
Well, his line about "putting out a quality title every time" couldn't be further from the truth after the Grand Theft Auto Trilogy Definitive Edition came out. But yeah.
@@litcherally255 I feel like one day we'll recognize that Grove Street Games is really just doing what it's doing at Take Two's direction. They probably aren't under Rockstar's control at all. They just feed off of them.
That was that one mission with Lamar! I only remember that because i went in first person and was looking at lamar, not looking at the next 7 miles of road
@@Loctorak Huh? If you don't want to buy in game currency then don't buy it. I've put a lot of time in GTAO without ever spending a cent of my own money.
It was actually him just shitting on league more. Like, "look at all these games where I'm playing and having fun!" Vs league and GTA online where u picked one thing and then sit there for 5-10 minutes
using overwatch to talk about online games where you "get into a match within a minute" has gone from a reasonable piece of evidence for his point to a brilliant work of comedy in itself
I gotta give them props for improving their open worlds in rdr2. Most buildings are enterable and a lot of them have interesting stuff going on. Shame that the traveling between missions got a million times more tedious.
I won't say "most" what you can enter is impressive but it mostly consists of shacks, storefronts, homesteads of course it's easier on developers to make accessible meanwhile actual enterable buildings like the one in ST Denis are utterly wasted.
@@themadtitan7603 I would say that having every single building be open is gratuitous, even in a world with few buildings like rdr2. I used to think that I would love to have every building be open to me in a gta game, but then I really thought about it. What would be the point of this? Just to be immersed a little bit more? That's waaaaaay too much work for little to no pay off. I think Rockstar did well with the buildings that you can explore in their most recent game, but to ask for more would be incredibly short sighted.
@@mkultra2456 ok so you get a bunch of enterable buildings. Now you get to go in a building that is likely completely empty. What then? What's fun about going into a building?
@@dm8in It's not the destination; but the journey we spend together! The point of A to B is to get a better understanding of the characters rather than just sitting through another cutscene.
I feel like the dialogue in cars is a thing precisely because Rockstar is aware that there are long stretches of their game where you are just going from Point A to Point B and need something to make it less boring, but honestly, it only makes all the times you're just in the car driving stick out harder in your brain.
It gets worse when your favourite song is playing on the radio but you can't hear it because the characters too busy talking about nothing. In the GTA trilogy, car dialogue wasn't much of an issue because characters didn't talk for an absurd length of time and (for the most part) they only spoke when they had something meaningful to say or it played into the story well. Also, the amount of missions that required characters to be in the same vehicle were drastically lower than IV and V.
Let’s play darts! We should eat together. Let’s play some video games, man. (SCRAPPED ACTIVITY?) You wanna shoot some pool? We should go...and get DRUNK together! Cousin, you must see a show here, how about it?
@@ghaffarkhan5662 Nah, I'd say otherwise. The real deal is cutting the fat, there's no need to have a mission make you drive actual miles just to get to the start of it, that is literally artificial game play extenders. Just fake "game play" to make it so the game can say it has "40 hours" of story as a selling point. While it can be entertaining at first glance, covering that up with out of character conversation doesn't fool me.
@Just Some Gaming I think that hipster conversation was okay .. not 10/10 maybe, but it was not specifically "bad writing" for sure. It could be worse I guess.
This video is old, but I need to say this: You *need* those boring missions for pacing. If every mission was an exhilarating thrill ride it would drain the player out too quickly. By having those missions in the game it makes the more exciting missions stand out because they become more impactful and memorable as a result. Besides, it’s not like those missions don’t contribute something to the overall narrative. The whole point of that truck mission was to show how different Franklin is from his childhood friends who all became crackheads and drug addicts, while he’s trying his best to escape that life and make something of himself. The dialogue isn’t there just for the sake of it, it’s there to add depth and flesh out the characters. It’s a really natural way to peek inside the minds of these guys, just like real life. Be honest, how many times have you ever been in a car with someone else and you *didnt* say something to one another for the duration of the trip, even if it was some of the most dumbest shit imaginable? So while I don’t agree with your arguments about the car conversations or the boring missions, you pretty much nailed it with the rest of the video.
I don't think that boring missions necessarily contribute to a better pacing compared to the fun missions. I think that pacing is developed through fun moments that hype the player to keep playing and stale moments that level down the gameplay, and gta has always have plenty of that. The driving sections of the game could be shorter but I agree that they can be essential or simply enjoyable if the quirks of the characters are utilized correctly. But as I say, they need to be shorter or simply more interesting like in god of war. The conversations between Kratos and Atreus reflect how you can balance boring gameplay with an actual content that feels interesting to the player. I'm just saying that gta 6 should try to improve the gta formula to a modern audience that has expirienced an evolution in the open world type games.
@@Magst3r1 you misunderstood my point. I’m not saying make every mission “boring” I’m saying that the missions which are slower than the rest are necessary for the overall pacing and development of the plot and story and help contribute to making those exciting missions more powerful. They help with buildup and suspense. For example: if you took away all the preparation missions for all the heists in GTA V the actual heists themselves would feel less satisfying and grandiose as a result because you didn’t lay the groundwork for getting those heists completed in the first place.
Good news is that in GTA 6 car dialogue is going to be completely optional! In fact, you can unlock a number of entertaining car conversations by purchasing the Rockstar Car Dialogue Loot Box for just $4.99
Exactly. Open worlds seem more like backdrops rather than interactive playgrounds. Like come on boys, let me build a sandcastle in this sandbox! Instead it's just and empty box. The box looks nice, but it's still just an empty box.
San andreas had tons of clothing stores, gun stores, mod shops, gyms, food stores, and just random places you could enter. I dont give a shit about copy and paste garage/apartment #30 or arm wrestling Rockstar
i mean, small issues like these become obvious the older you get, sure everything can seem epic and legendary when your a teenager, but once you experienced countless games and movies, honestly, almost everything just becomes boring.
@@finnishfatboi809 Ehh no. There is a line between good games and shitty games. This is why people still play GTA San Andreas because they cared about making a good game. V is a cheap game with no content at all. They made awesome games but not anymore.
tbh personally, i like the dialogues and conversations the characters have when you’re driving or riding a horse, it helps me feel more connected to the character bc they go in depth with their personality and who they are. but thats just me tho, but still good point burkey
Jose Palomino Yeah. Just munching those dead sailors he loves so much and babbling about the defeat of Uxh'Zrioth the king of unending flesh-storms... Booooriing!
+Miguel Sarellano Read HP Lovecraft. I don't mean that in a condescending way, if you like reading and you clearly like the tale of Uncle Gungalar, you're gonna enjoy his stories. Now that I think about it, Lovecraft stories with humor... that could be the greatest or the worst idea ever.
@@galactichasyoutube775 did you love GTA V (PS3), GTA V (Xbox 360), GTA V Next gen (Xbox One), GTA V Next gen (PS4) and GTA V PC edition. Well...do we have something for you
GalacticHasRU-vid I would love to play Gta V pc on the PS5, whats so bad about improving the graphics for next-gen console? How tf do you know that they aren’t gonna do something with the game ?
Văn Bùi because it’s the same game. If they were really gonna do something with it, they’d sell GTA 6. Also, “Improving the graphics” means practically nothing right now because it will look like a mid-gen PS4 game at best. Just look at some of the character models. They know they’ve made a popular game that basically everyone on the planet has heard of (like Skyrim) and now are milking the fuck out of it for two generations.
The writing quality in the cutscenes versus the driving parts in GTA 5 was so different that I became convinced that they were written by completely different teams
I liked the small talk in GTA five during the missions where you drive long stretches. It adds some depth and backstory to the characters and they can throw some cheeky banter too.
Replayers and achievement hunters. They've already heard the dialogue but they still have to do the fucking boring drive. Really, the last thing you need is for a game to emulate real life.
Honestly, the complete brazen hated for shark cards seems a little much... I have 10m earned with friends and joining random people's setups. There's a lot to spend that on, but a lot of it is rather pointless crap. There's a sense of accomplishment when you earn it, shark cards are the easy way around but they don't give you any sense of accomplishment. If they just gave you the everything and the kitchen sink, it would be boring. You'd play for like a few hours, get bored, then leave and never come back... Would you rather get a friend to quickly do doomsday act 1 and 3 earning fast money, or would you rather have 50m, buy whatever you want until that gets boring? I feel all you really need is like 10m for all the fun stuff, rest is extra.
Those shark cards are what fund all the updates bro. You dont have to buy them. Only time i buy shark cards is when i hit 0. And cant get vehicles delivered. Thats happened 3 times so far. Lol
To be honest, what updates? Oh, you mean the rich story updates that use the engine to tell new stories, like we get every generation, and we've had so many of this generation? They've done nothing, the shark cards fill their pockets and very little else.
Daniel T. Carpenter Import/export. Heists, Finance and felony. Bikers. Gunrunning, doomsday vehicles, guns, i can keep on going.... If you disagree with GTA. Go play something else. I hear fortnite is all the rage these days.
I'm so glad they solved all those issues for red dead redemption 2 and how amazingly fun and not tedious the online compo... I'm sorry I was choking in own sarcasm there.
Wouter R he was solely talking about online. I feel like rdr2 is overrated. Gameplay is clunky and makes u feel like a baby, each mission being told what to do and ur gun aims for u. Besides its only one difficulty which i must assume is moderate cuz the auto aim should be accessible for like harder difficulties. The saving grace is the narrative, characters, and performances. My fav missions are the ones that feel the same but are impacted more cuz of the events of the story. 7/10
@@grandpaeren6839 there are ways to increase the difficulty and to make it feel like the game is holding your hand less you just never tried and never looked and good god with the clunk people never rest with the clunkiness maybe if you weren't trying to sprint everywhere you wouldn't have this problem I know I don't
Yeah I defo agree, something about hearing characters talking to each other is just great, hell, that mission in GTA V where you have to haul some cars across half the map in a big ass truck? I still like that mission cause I just like listening to the dialogue, no matter how many times I’ve heard it
I don't know if many people are aware but on Rockstar's games since GTA 4 when you fail a mission and restart you'll hear an alternative dialogue in every mission, in RDR 1 there's sometimes 3 alternative dialogues.. That's just shows the quality of writing in their games.
Because there is little to no dialogue outside of that. Obviously it is "good" when most of the Story happens there or in similiarly strange fashion (just seconds after getting out of car dialogue for 10second and everyone goes away)
Let's not forget the following: - Rockstar will ban you for being in a lobby with a troll - Rockstar will send you a cease and desist if you are a modder - Rockstar increases their prices on Steam before sales so their game prices remain the same - A game that is 5 years old still has a retail price of $60+ dollars - (Edit) A full price game with microtransactions
It's still $60 because people are still actively buying it. It's been on the Steam Top Selling list ever since it first came out. It's not gonna stop being sold at full price until GTA VI comes out.
Jokes on you, I was queuing for an Overwatch game and was able to watch this entire video before getting into a match. Jokes on me i was able to rewatch this video again waiting on GTAV
You're right overwatch isn't a good example of getting right into the action for some reason whenever I wanna play overwatch it takes 5-10 minutes for me to get in a game.
Wow I really want to play GTA Online races all of the sudden. *Starts GTA* *Tries to find a lobby* *10 minutes later* *Camera zooms out to the sky* I FINALLY FOUND A JOB! *BOAT RACE*
GOBIC ROY, yes because they are good and not just about spamming the boost on the rocket voltic and going in straight lines only to see the guy who spawned in first on the grid at the start win.
The more leaned back old school GTA in general is more my jam; talking in cars to and from mission, slowly dwelling into chaos through peaceful missions escalating the story towards the action, longer cutscenes exploring the characters backstory, that kinda thing. Probably the main reason I’d favor GTA IV over V. Modern games are too fast a pace for my taste.
@@real1mem3sbruh overwatch takes ages to find a match, it's made that way so we can watch D'va getting fvcked in pörnhub, the true overwatch is over there
Another thing that you forgot to mention is that Rockstar are not fully aware of themselves. They are always comfortable making satires and poking fun of other GTA clones, but when other games or shows, parody their games they start throwing lawsuit tantrums. while the quality of the spoken games may be varied, they still look like complete hypocrites .
Sometimes, it seems like they're incapable of NOT writing satire. The first two Max Payne games had deep, compelling, distinct, morally-ambiguous characters, as befits a noir tribute. Max Payne 3 had nearly-identical shallow jerks that are probably supposed to satirize corporate culture. But since the series had never been about corporate culture (in either of the Remedy games OR 3, for that matter), they're just... there, being unlikable assholes.
Its insane. It's like... "make San Andreas > can get character to be fat from burgers or mega jacked > is best gameplay mechanic ever included since the Pause button > never put it in a game again" What gives, R⭐?
@@Loctorak they focused more on making the world detailed I guess, besides I feel if gta v was made from the ground up with 8th gen hardware, it would have definitely had all these features, they made it for 7th gen as a majority of player base still had xbox360 and PS3... Probably why police ai is mostly broken, 512mb ram vs 8 GB ram, lotta difference
@@-Tony-Gunk- oh of course, but there's always that part of me that's a bit upset that I can't get Arthur really buff in some saloon gym type thing and then go talk trash at Micah around camp. Although on second thoughts, Arthur's body type never stopped me doing that, anyhow. 😅
@@Loctorak gta vi boutta be the ultimate gta, I'm pretty sure with 20+ years of experience, r* gonna make the game they wanted all along. I still think gta vi will disappoint some fans in the gta community, they will say gta v better than vi, just like how many are saying iv better than v, or 10 years back when people said sa better than iv
I never understood why Rockstar designs pretty great driving ai but for missions characters will make you drive their car to places even though it's not your car
I thought this too, but you can easily make a million every 3 hours fairly passively. even while you piss around in free mode, there are high paying CEO missions and challenges, double RP / $ helps too when thats a good week.
L.A. Noire did the best job of having dialogue while driving because it actually expands character and story development. And you actually learn more about the characters of my favorite game and characters
This is going to sound weird, but I really like Bully. It's probably the smallest open world Rockstar ever made, but the smallness somehow makes everything feel more intimate. I also really like Jimmy Hopkins as a protagonist.
Bully is my favourite Rockstar game of all time. Every single mission was generally fun to play, I like how you unlock different parts of the map with each chapter and overall it's just funny as fuck.
GTA V may have had thr bigger map, But gta sa had the better map. I actually wanted to explore because its like they realized that states wont have just 1 city in them.
It's interesting that even in SA it seems like they spent a lot more time on Los Santos than any other part, but it still feels bigger to me because the urban areas are spaced out much more evenly. LS, SF and LV are placed in different corners of the map, which means you'll be touring the countryside a lot and likely stumble upon something new. In V practically everything interesting takes place in LS, which only makes up the lowest third of the map. Now I'm just thinking out loud, but if Rockstar had placed LS in the center of the map and have the countryside surround it, I think it would've felt way less empty. Alternatively, making the town on the north edge of the map bigger and putting more missions there would ensure players actually have a reason to drive around much more, and probably end up exploring more too.
@@cupriferouscatalyst3708 I think they should just make the whole West Coast or the USA the way how Crew handled it. But it'd take a lot more time to do.
GTA SA had a bad map too. The boonies and the desert was a bunch of pointless empty space that did nothing but add boring commute time between some missions. Vice City and III had the better maps.
I wish they’d bring back drug dealing, that was so fun. I remember when I was 12 years old with my dsi assuming the role of an Asian drug dealer. Shit was great.
Thanks for this wonderful 5 mins, I've laughed and cried, great content throughout the years (I've just watched some in 3 days). Is there part2 of this yet?
It's boring though. Much of the time it's needless exposition, until its not and it's a genuine conversation which you can't see go on. Its boring af. Red Dead on the other hand makes more sense.
I remember in ballad of gay tony, Mr bulgarians associate was in a car with me, and it was quiet, and luis was like "sooo you dont want to talk?" he was like "no."
Carlos Millard GTA V probably has the most weak soundtrack of any GTA game. Not to say GTA V's music is subpar, but we have been given a lot better with the likes of Vice City and GTA IV.
Tbh rockstar games is one of the coolest game companies. They did a pretty good job in all of their games imo but you can't have the cake and eat it too. Gta V was a masterpiece, max payne 1-3 are amazing, red dead redemption is stunning. *Agree that gta V online is trash
Umm, they have smart phones, you're point is invalid, and a hipster isn't a meme they live in LA, one of the homes to hipsters and have Radio Mirror park, sooooooo
Bollibompa it would take more than 2 seconds first you have to log out of RU-vid then go to google then type it in then wait for it to load thenn look for a reliable source then confirm it with a super fan also known as a creep then you gotta make sure he doesn't find out your name and age theeeeen you gotta confirm this with Dunkey by waiting a month for him to notice you then you notice he didn't reply so you know he doesn't care about his fans then you gotta expose him then after two years of hacking and researching Dunkey you then remember about wanting to know about his age so you go to google and search up how old he is then go to wiki then there you
I actually played the Hipster part for the first time recently. Michael knows Trevor hates hipsters because he hates people who are involved in society and people who are pretentious. Michael calling Trevor out on his intentional avoidance of everything that is cool hits on Trevor's chief trait. He is wounded and unwanted. He pretends to not care about anyone or anything, because he does care and he has never been accepted or had place in society. Michael wants piss him off and get under his skin. Trevor gets irrationally angry by this which reveals his character. He is out of control, but he doesn't want to be. He is an outcast, but he doesn't want to be. That's what makes Trevor such a good character is that he KNOWS he's out of control and he is repugnant, and he enjoys it but he also spirals after being rejected.
The Tow Truck mission is actually deeply burned into my memory and serves as a great deterrent from getting me to do a fresh playthrough of GTA V's story
overwatch was pretty fun back in the day. but very unbalanced, never got balanced and only received more unbalanced heroes. then they got this role play thing. man gtfo. after activision took over the game really became shit.
Hipster, as a word and culture, has existed since the 1940s. They made jokes about hipsters in 90’s episodes of King of the Hill. They would know what a hipster is.
