My biggest pet peeve in pb is the other team arguing a back line out call.. as if they have ANY way of seeing how it actually landed. A close back line ball from the other side will always look in because you can't see that sliver of blue(or whatever color "out" is) at your angle
You should ignore them completely, or even better state clearly "It's not your call, the receiving team is 100% responsible for making the line call, you have no input at all about, just like I have no input on your line calls." Nothing makes me more certain about my line calls than when my opponents want to argue about it. It is NOT your call, the rules are crystal clear.
It seems to me in recreational play, our fun is playing, not in calling outs. If an ever-so-slightly out ball can be played, play it. Make your rallies as long as possible for maximum fun.
Actually, according to the official rules, when there’s a doubt in calls between the two partners making a call, out vs in, the call is deemed to be in. Benefit of the doubt goes to the opponent.
It’s not really an “over-rule”. As per your question, if your partner calls it out and you see it in, you can overrule, but it’s actually a doubt being created, and the call goes to your opponent’s favor.
@@zaphodbeeblebrox2911 It appears so: 6.C.8: In doubles play, if one player calls the ball “out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt exists and the team’s call will be “in.”
Slight disparity on the "your partner can overrule you." If you call it IN and your partner says OUT, the ball is IN. When the two players disagree, the call goes in favor of the opponent.
I've never heard the saying "If you want to win, call it in" since , in PB, you'd be calling your opponents shot "IN" on your side. The phrase I've always heard, that you should NOT use, is "If in doubt, call it out" which is relevant to how some folks call lines in PB. ;)
It's no longer where the ball hits, but what you can see. No more guessing. If you SEE space between the line and ball, it's out. There are many cases where the ball blocks your view. In those, you cannot call the ball out. Rule change last year.
Static balls are 💯 easier to call than active balls. I never see any videos to address when rec opponents appear to make bad out calls. We play with a couple which one is always making dubious calls. I have seen calls down the line that she will call out and we’re clearly in. She will call serves short we can see made it past the kitchen line. How would you bring this up?
So if Im looking down on the line and I see the ball fall next to the line, but clearly the majority of the ball is out, but I cannot see below the ball to see any "blue", can I still call it out?
I have spent years showing people what is in and what is out. Set the ball down, look through the hole and move the ball around the line. stopping each time to show where it is and whether it is in or out. The ball needs to be more then half way over the line to be in. Test it out yourself. I had cataract surgery so i see real well and don't wear glasses, which can effect your vision a lot.
An interesting fact would have been why hitting a boundary line is "considered" in. Measure the court width, for example, it's 20', yes, but from outside line edge to outside line edge. The lines are IN because they are painted on the playing surface inside the court boundaries. This also is true of the NVZ line. It is painted on the kitchen's surface. The center line is the only peculiar one. Half of it is in one service court and half in the other. By convention, the center line is considered to be entirely inside the court the server is aiming at.
What strikes me most in these videos is how close those houses are built and I wonder how their neighbors feel about having a PB court so close....hope they all love pickleball.
Slight disparity on the "your partner can overrule you." If you call IN and you partner calls it OUT -- the ball is IN, as any disagreement goes to the benefit of the opponent.
Line calls being made promptly has nothing to do with an occurrence 0:42 several shots earlier. That's covered by another rule: if the opponent hits the ball or it goes out of play, it's too late to call it out. Promptly pertains to the immediate shot. You can't stand there pondering over what you just saw. If you have to think about it, it was IN.
Another element is IF you choose to ask the opponent what they saw -- their call rules. If you ask, you are expressing doubt and forfeiting the call to the certainty of you opponent.
I'm sorry but you are incorrect that your partner can overrule your "in" call and change it to "out". The 2024 rules clearly state that if a team does not agree on a line call, that call then defaults to "in". 6.C.8. In doubles play, if one player calls the ball “out” and the partner calls it “in,” then doubt exists and the team’s call will be “in.”
Neither of you could call that first ball out. Yes, there was blue space visible, but not to either of you where you are standing. The ball blocked your view. Sorry.
Excellent video. Sometimes neither team member has a clear view of the where the ball lands and everyone is standing around shrugging, and in those cases we usually just offer the other team to re-do the point. I personally am more likely to give it to the other team if there's any question on my side whether a ball is in or out, but many times I get a partner who doesn't want to do that.
