Picogrill 85 & 239 Swiss made Wood Burning Stoves (IMPORTANT UPDATE) 

That is an awesome twig stove that as you suggested, seems to fill a twig stove niche very nicely. The weight to size/usefulness ratio appears to be very good.

I got both of mine from Amazon..They are excellent for ultralite hiking and as emergency stoves!

I took the 85 on a weekend backpack at a higher altitude where fuel and wind would make a fire problematic. I brought a couple chunks of that prime 6 charcoal that I lit in the stove with some fat wood and a fire starter. Had over four hours of hot coal and leisurely cooked a nice meal and hot drinks.. Great hand warmer too and was really pleased with the whole set up and the stove.

Glad you found the Amazon link for the smaller stove! I saw my first review of this stove about a week ago and it looked like a really nice design! I love the flat shape of it when packed, you can stuff it almost anywhere in your pack, even with the overall size of the stoves. Really nice that they include the ability to use a Trangia (or clone) built-in to the stove.

Impressive Compact Stoves From Over Yonder, Thanks For This, Mark ! ATB T God Bless

Two fantastic lookng stoves Mark! Light and useful, I like it 👍

Glad to finally see your review as I had already contacted you regarding Brennerle-like stove. Haven't pulled the trigger yet though as already have so many good stoves. Was originally thinking to get the 837, but it's almost too big. Now thinking more likely the 85 Great to see these super light stoves in action!

Purchased the 239 a few days ago and already had three burns in it! Last night fire about 3 hours. How light and thin! Except for discoloration no warping or anything. Impressive.

thank u so much for this breakdown on this stove ive been waiting to choose either this or the ti firebox.

. Mr.Y, well done yet again :-D I really liked your line where the wood was just starting to catch in the stove demo and you said; "Its starting to catch now, With a Vengeance", one will occasionally rarely hear that in my part of the world as well :-D .

Clear and honest words, thank you! I gave a review on Amazon referencing your video countering an ignorant review of the 239.

Looks like a fantastic way to start my foray into wood stoves. Also like that it can take the Trangia spirit burner.

Hi Mark, I really enjoyed your review of these stoves. I'm going to have to get one.

I really liked the big one especially. Love the idea of a stove that crosses over to firepit duty.

Thanks Mark; that looks like a great lightweight hobo stove. I see now that they are selling them on AMAZON. I think I will pick the 85 up. Thanks again, I enjoy your videos.

I saw this video. I liked it. I ordered the 85 from Amazon on Saturday. Got it the next day. On Monday I cooked up my breakfast with a small 8 inch cast iron pan. I like it!

I'm addicted to little pack stoves, I like this thing but I probably have too many already haha. I may try to make one though. As always I love the videos, great info

Thank you great looking stoves

Great video, I like them both but Amazon in the states now has the Pico 85. So I'm going to buy one . Thanks for showing , and for getting this info out. When I get it I think I'll try the keto pizza like you did in a few videos ago Lol.

Mark , good initial review , thanks for sharing , God bless !

Based on your recommendation, I bought a PicoGrill 85. It is brilliant and exceptionally lightweight for a packable wood stove. Perfect. Thanks for the tip!

I like these, especially the 85, I'll have a look and see if I can get them in the UK. Thanks Mark 👍🙂

Just gave my 239 a super burn in last night its UNBELIEVABLE the lightest weight firepit in the world you are right friend!!😁✊🔥✌️💚

You're right! Never seen them before. But I do know Pico grill 398, which I like it very much, is more as fire pit bbq grill. Just ordered 85 model. Thank you!

When I was watching i was thinking those would be good just as a portable campfire. Not long after that you said about the same thing. Who doesn't love playing in a fire?

There’s definitely a market here in the States. I just bought both sizes. And if these hold up, they will be my go to wood stoves. I predominantly use firebox G2 stoves which I really like. But the 239 weighs 1/2 of what a 150$ titanium G2, at the cost of 40$. And the 85 weighs 1/5. And I’ll be honest, this thing is an absolute beast. I want to thank you for the heads up. You’ve helped lighten up the load a bit. I always enjoy your videos.

got mine today !! only took a week...i am super excited ! just gotta try and get out to use it now ! it was expensive tho, for what it seems it is....i dunno, i don't make 'em ! usually cheapo's from amazon do me fine.

Awesome new stoves I have not seen. I don’t know what one to go with. Guess if you use smaller pots I would need the smaller stove? More reviews on these and that Ti pot too buddy. Just received my first ever Tilley T5 canvas hat for my birthday. It’s a keeper.

I have that identical mocha TILLEY TH5 hemp hat! Mine is faded and well used too!

I like your comment about, who doesn’t like to sit around and look at a fire. I’ve noticed that people are almost hypnotized when watching a campfire, waves, or clouds. It’s an ancient thing from back there a million or two years. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying

Very nicely done overview of these two stoves. I had thought that they seemed familiar to me, but I had to double check. And sure enough, I had put them on my Amazon wish list a few days ago. In the USA, the Pico 85 is currently selling for about $20 and the larger model is $31. I find it interesting that the manufacturer appears to be unaware of this information.

Thanks! I was looking for a lighter alternative to our 1200g FireBox which we love. I had considered titanium but a quality Ti in a similar size was over $400 CAD. I just ordered a Picogrill 239 and some accessories direct from STC. Came to just over $200 CAD and will weight around 320g! thanks!

Fantastic, not just stoves but the larger one is definitely a fire-pit too. For those who visit the official site, they have some v-shaped "flat" stoves on legs that are intended to "grill" (BBQ skewers) and they look like they'll make EXCELLENT fire-pits. I do hope you help this company "get into" North America, it's nice to see non-Chinese innovative stoves and fire-pits. (And I say this as someone who has bought Chinese too, I'm as guilty as anyone).

A piece of aluminum flashing cut to fit inside the pouch weighs 23 grams. Not overly strong, but would provide some spark protection. I'd still advise clearing down to mineral soil, as any good outdoor person will always do anyway.

This stove is a remake of the Littlbug stove. This Pico grill brings a new style of this stove. Light weight, compact. Thank you for the review. You can now buy this and other Picogrills on U. S. Amazon

Those stoves are great! I want both. I just found them on Amazon.

Hello Mark... you have made a nice review!!! I use the smaller 85 for a few years now.. most of the time with woodsticks. It works fine.. is very light for my use and super packable... i carry i in my daypack for scrambling allround in the woods or with canoe. It is nearly.. an edc on smaller trips. A few years ago i have lost the u shaped wire.. but it works after first use... without.... at home i took an old inox tentpeg.. made a new one... ready 2 rumble again.. also possible.. to make one of old spokes or inox welding wire.... by the way... i bougt two crossbars from kelly kettle... they work good for a lot of hobos.. like the ikea a. s o. and also for this stove and the funny Decathlon rocketstove as a potstand. I a dreaming of the 239 as a portable fire/cooking pit.. also light enough for a backpack.. Canoe.. Bike or Motorbike Tour. as you mentioned... for a safe fireplace.. to look into the flames... in my opinion... a worthy product... have a nice time.. an again.. it is only simple lousy German basic school english.. 😁😂😂😂🙏

Those are amazing little stoves. No doubt there will be a North American market.

Decided to go ahead and also get the Picogrill 85 because so far the larger 239 grill is doing so great. Have total of about 40 burns in it now and still see very little additional warping. However, see where this are fake! If fake are of excellent copies.

Love the Review Mark.... These stoves remind me an AWFUL lot of the Little Bug Stoves. 👍

There's something about those stoves that remind Me of those Little bug stoves!

IMPORTANT UPDATE - The owner of Picogrill advises that all products using the Picogrill name sold on Amazon are forgeries made in China. Do not buy. These are the only authorized dealers: www.picogrill.ch (Selling from Switzerland not on Amazon. Switch to English) PIKARI OUTDOOR-SHOP (Selling on Amazon, soon all the products) WANDERLUST EQUIPMENT (Selling on Amazon)

Cool Thing

Try digging a small trench under these stoves. About 1/4 as wide as the stove, longer than the stove width. It aids air flow. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying

Nice one Mark, cheers! I think the manufacturer will be surprised at the demand for these stoves. I bought one of the first version of the Uberleben stainless kettle a few years ago and ended up returning it. It was designed with a loose nut that a bolt screwed into to secure the handle. I thought it was a terrible design - it was too easy to drop the nut when attaching the handle, and dropping a tiny nut in the forest duff would ruin your whole trip. Did they ever address that?

I would love to see these in the US especially the 85.

I like them, Mark. Especially the bigger one. Small one would work fine but I tend to use bigger pots and pans. I'll check out their website and find out more of the optional pot stands. You could always use more ventilation in wood burning stoves. It is amazing that the stove could withstand almost 4kg of weight. Appreciate the good info, Mark. I kinda like the Seige Stove, though. It looked tough enough to hold 6+kg.

I am intrigued! I do not own a wood burn stove and have always wanted one. Watched many of your videos and other’s, just didn’t know which one. This one however seems to “have it all!” Love how it just collapses, even the bottom. Just brilliant design. Thank you for showing. I don’t understand what you mean by having to find a distributor, though. Anyway, if enough people maybe comment that they are interested, maybe they, can find a distributor.

Great review. Thanks for sharing :-)

Awesome video. By the way what oven would you recommend for ultralight backpacking with grandchildren

Hi Mark, nice video with a good overview of these stoves. What are your thoughts of these stoves compared to the Brennerle stove?

I'd love to try the larger version. Much to like about the concept and I like the capacity. I recently picked up a weird name knock off of the Lixada gassifier stove like yours and I'm enjoying it. It can use wood, pellets, alcohol gel, fuel tabs, and my Trangia. I can even sear a steak on it with a grill grate. Thanks for trying these stoves and bringing them to light (no pun intended) so we know whats out there. BTW I've been using Titanium pots and some cookware and it's fine for boiling water even though it has poor conductivity but it's horrible too cook with. I'm going back to my aluminum and stainless kits and the carbon steel skillet. Titanium is a love-hate relationship with me.

I like the PicoGrill 85 when I’m trying to go as light as possible. It holds a lot of wood, and is short in stature, so the heat really blasts the pot. If you position the wood correctly, you can get a decent set of coals that don’t fall through the bottom grate too fast and, again, due to the short height of the stove, the heat from the coals simmers for a good 15 minutes. Those hot coals also mean you can throw in a few twigs here and there and they will light up relatively quickly and keep the heat going, but you don’t have to constantly feed the stove like on some other small sized wood burners. This is mainly because it has a massive burn chamber relative to its height. What I don’t like about this stove is the amount of large side holes it has, and how low to the ground they are. If there’s even a little breeze, I’ve found the flames can come out of the stove, horizontally, a surprising distance. This means I’ve really got to make sure the area around the stove is clear of flammable material (always a good idea anyway) and that I’m not sitting too close it it or wearing loose fitting clothes when feeding it wood. It’s a good stove for sure, I’ve just got to be a lot more mindful when using it than, say, the Brennerle.

They look like better engineerd little bug stoves .

I really like the pico fire pit grill you reviewed, but at that high price kills it for me.

I've had the 85 for a while now. You can get it on Amazon.

Hey mark! I want to remind you that you ended up not doing the video of these using a trangia burner, as you said you would in the video. Did you forget it or drop the idea? Also, would you do me the kindness of measuring the thickness of the steel plates that the stoves use for the walls and ash pan? Only thickness specs I’ve found are for the separate stand which is 0.7mm, and the folded assembled stove which is 4mm. Thanks in advance!!!

I noticed your pot is relatively clean from soot. How do you clean it? The titanium material ?

How great is that item for shipping - flat and lightweight!

Amazon carries this stove. Mark, which one would YOU choose for day hikes?

Similar to the Littlbug Jr and Sr stoves. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying

Mark do you have anymore tests coming for the pico grill 85 or 239

how do you think these compare to the brennerle?

I bought one from Amazon 3 months ago for $19.99.

How do you like this stove compared to a gasifier type?

Nice for bike packing I'm thinking . Wonder if they'll do a titanium version with a mini top grid ? Just hope people stay away from the Chinese knockoff .

The cellophane wrapper with the barcode says made in China

So I’ll throw in 2 criticisms. First is that the reason to have the pot elevated slightly is not just because of the dampening effect, but also so the chimney effect will be directed at the pot bottom. What I see with this is much of the flame goes straight out the feed pot instead. The other criticism is so many Europeans are so stuck up they make me gag. I mean yes we’re a small market, but to say we wouldn’t want an ultra light kit? What uninformed buttheads. That being said, I would think of getting the large, because as you said, it could double as a mini fire place, but the small ones performance didn’t impress me enough to give up my firebox nano